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Greetings to all,
Does anyone know how you swap the the vertical list of recently open programs in WM5 Start Menu (Buzz's 1.6b version) for the horizontal list? I know it is possible (as below; FYI I switched to landscape using True Toolbar)
In the registry I can find the list of recently used programs:
HKCU\Software\Microsoft|Shell\TaskSwitch
but I can't locate a registry or setting for how they are displayed (if indeed controlled via the registry). I'd thought about dumping the pre and post change registries and trying to compare them but I'm a newbie at this and the whole thing looks massive to try and spot changes visually.
Anybody take a stab as I'd like to be in portrait view but with a minimalised start menu. I've searched all hacks/tweaks/registries (forums and wiki) without success, perhaps someone out there may be able to help.
Suggestions very much appreciated.
Mallow1
did you get any other info on this hack??? I would really like to have my recent programs displayed in this manner rather than the other way.
Not yet... still looking without success
Guys, this is not a hack, this is what happens when you switch from Portrait to Landscape.
Cheers
Pat
Hi Pat (nee how ma?),
Thanks for your reply. A defined variable must be controlling the style toggling (horizontal v vertical list) and it looks just too binary a choice not to have a tweak (even an unknown one yet to be identified), especially since this used to be how the list was displayed back in earlier versions of WM (even when in portrait). Yep I'm completely guessing that there's a tweak, but if you don't ask/ try you don't find out. If not, Buzz may be able to code it in as one in his next version of WM5 if this thread generates enough interest. Do you speak with authority on this or were you simply commenting?
The other approach I'm exploring is via the latest WisBar Advanced beta. When switching from portrait to landscape instead of producing a horizontal list of icons only (my desired outcome), it groups the list into a vertical submenu (variation on a theme). Therefore since I'm a WA user achieving it there is equally valid for me (if not more desireable). I'm awaiting feedback from Lakeridge (though the beta developers have far greater priorities developing WA2 to run more smoothly under WM5 so I'm not holding my breath just yet).
Regards - Mallow1
I will be willing to answer any questions you have regarding wm6
my first impressions of it are pretty good... its running quite stable on my athena with apps installed
-spb mobile shell (does not work if autohide is disabled)
-spb brain evolution
-spb diary (installing this did significantly slow it down)
-wisbar advance beta 4
-resco explorer
-resco keyboard
-ae button plus
-wm5storage
-htc audio plugin
there are some more but im copying some files so i cant use the phone
intially its very very fast... much faster than wm5 noticbly so
It does seem to support native vga as in device info the resolution is listed at 640x480
i dont however see the terminal client for remote login... i could be lookin in the wrong place? i dunno
the included dialer skin / theme is quite nice
Everything seems to be working flawlessly i havent tried voip yet...
IE data speeds seem to be significantly faster for me... as compared to wm5
Ill be posting more later once i use it a bit more...
Mind to share Windows Media Player Skin
No issues found yet. The device seems *a lot* snappier, and indeed the GPS fix occurs a lot faster. I now also suddenly have a fix inhouse ... (allbeit near the window). In WM5 that simply would not happen.
boinger66 said:
It does seem to support native vga as in device info the resolution is listed at 640x480
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This resolution is listed in the WM5 too, does your device have smaller buttons, menus etc?
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This resolution is listed in the WM5 too, does your device have smaller buttons, menus etc?
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no the icon sizes seem the same but when I try to install a qvga skin it takes up the same portion when running previosly in wm5 with truevga mode
so I think it is truevga mode
also while typing the text prediciont works real well
Ergh, can I get rid of the horrible GREEN comm manager?
Other than that, its wm6 again.. Ahh, sigh of releif.
If you change the theme of your device to the windows default and then restart it should get rid of the horrible skin. For some reason mine kept the phone dialler skin until I had restarted again, but now it's not so green any more.
My first impressions are that the device itself runs very well with WM6. So far no real hassles. The only thing I have discovered is that TomTom 6 now thinks my device is a new device so it looks like WM6 has changed the hardware ID. I am still able to use my device. I had to manually active the maps though and the TomTom application for downloading maps and updates won't let me change my device to the 'new' one.
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no the icon sizes seem the same but when I try to install a qvga skin it takes up the same portion when running previosly in wm5 with truevga mode
so I think it is truevga mode
also while typing the text prediciont works real well
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Yep, the buttons are large. I'm not quite with you with the other comment, could you post a screenshot? Have you managed to get the smaller homescreen top/bottom bars without installing VGA hack software?
Apart from that, everything is a lot faster, typing on the keyboard is more responsive and I'm happy, deffo worth it just for the proper email client alone.
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Yep, the buttons are large. I'm not quite with you with the other comment, could you post a screenshot? Have you managed to get the smaller homescreen top/bottom bars without installing VGA hack software?
Apart from that, everything is a lot faster, typing on the keyboard is more responsive and I'm happy, deffo worth it just for the proper email client alone.
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well for example if you use a plugin for a qvga device...
it wont fill the screen
it only takes the same amount of screen space as it would on a qvga device
ie about 1/4 of the screen (i would post a pic but i removed the software)
so that leads me to believe its vga
no VoIp
I can't find the option, did you find it?
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well for example if you use a plugin for a qvga device...
it wont fill the screen
it only takes the same amount of screen space as it would on a qvga device
ie about 1/4 of the screen (i would post a pic but i removed the software)
so that leads me to believe its vga
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Hi boinger66,
My main reason for getting the athena is because I do a lot of reading & editing on-the-go mostly pdfs, docs, spreadsheets & powerpoint files. Can you tell me if using these programs with lots of words on-screen (PIE, pdfs,docs, xls) whether there is an increase in the real estate? Is there less scrolling etc, just like you'd see with the vga hacks? Also, are options available to change the resolutions on the fly? Does using the "High Res" option in PIE make a huge difference than before?
Many thanks for your help
Abe.
boinger66 said:
well for example if you use a plugin for a qvga device...
it wont fill the screen
it only takes the same amount of screen space as it would on a qvga device
ie about 1/4 of the screen (i would post a pic but i removed the software)
so that leads me to believe its vga
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If I'm not asking much, can you make a youtube?
Abram said:
Hi boinger66,
My main reason for getting the athena is because I do a lot of reading & editing on-the-go mostly pdfs, docs, spreadsheets & powerpoint files. Can you tell me if using these programs with lots of words on-screen (PIE, pdfs,docs, xls) whether there is an increase in the real estate? Is there less scrolling etc, just like you'd see with the vga hacks? Also, are options available to change the resolutions on the fly? Does using the "High Res" option in PIE make a huge difference than before?
Many thanks for your help
Abe.
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The IE high resolution and fit to screen do help, but it also makes the test pretty small. As an example, when displaying yahoo.com, and set to high resolution and fit to screen; the whole width of the web page is displayed.
hey can i install antena wm6.0 in o2 atom life....pls try to help me out...
pls send some sdp softwares to my mail [email protected]
Abram said:
Hi boinger66,
My main reason for getting the athena is because I do a lot of reading & editing on-the-go mostly pdfs, docs, spreadsheets & powerpoint files. Can you tell me if using these programs with lots of words on-screen (PIE, pdfs,docs, xls) whether there is an increase in the real estate? Is there less scrolling etc, just like you'd see with the vga hacks? Also, are options available to change the resolutions on the fly? Does using the "High Res" option in PIE make a huge difference than before?
Many thanks for your help
Abe.
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let me answer your questions....
1)there is no increase in real estate vs wm5 except in PIE
2)There no no option to change resolution on the fly
3)Yes it does (Pie and Hi-res)
these comments are based on my experience with uni and not athena but are valid for all VGA devices
Additionally there have been reports that VGA Hacks don't work with the later cores of wm6 (the release candidate)
faster than wm5. i had it on xda exec and when i changed to x7500 I kinda missed it but its back baby.
I was happy to see wm6 yesterday. i bought an iphone to see how it is and i was actually disappointed but wm6 made my day.
Thank you xda-dev.
Guys try using Mvr True VGA 1.2 it works..
i dont think you guys are understanding what i am saying
it is true vga
they just made the icons and buttons the same size for easy viewing
if you make smaller icons you get the realestate increase
for example if you install a qvga plug in it will not work...
it will take up the upper left corner of the screen only ... this can be observed by installing the htc audio manage today screen plugin
"Uni" VGA resolution file may work for Athena
I think some expert developers needs to extract the VGA<->QVGA toggle cab files or setup files from "Universal WM6 ROM" and give a try....
May be it will work for our Athena as well....
What do you guys say?
I was really hoping that new ROM is gonna solve this problem...and we will not have to use TrueVga type hacks...
WM6 is fast
Battery problem still here
The Battery problem is still here. You can see only 10, 20, 30, 40 % .... but never 94 %
Hi All
I have been playing with QVGA and True VGA and there is just a too big Gap between the two
One is 2 Big and the other 2 Small
previously on my Jasjar I set the resolution to 144 (Slap Bam in the Middle)
The problem with this is all the VGA Stuff as well as the most of the icons is missing but ..... IT IS REALLY the best RES to work, not too smal or big the sliders etc also looks just right
Shouldn't we start looking at developing for 144 Resolution and get it over and done with once and for all
OK - It's been a long time since I've done this, where do we start!!!!!!!
VGA 128dpi
Hi Skillie,
144dpi resources are hard to get so it would be quite a lot of work. I can easily provide you with 128dpi resources because they are supported by Microsoft.
I will provide you with the necessay files within the next 2 days.
Cheers,
Tobias
VGA 128
This is the installation for VGA 128dpi. Give it a try. This one is for English devices. If you need any other language let me know.
If you don't need the video call function then you can fix the phone by setting the registry entry
HKLM\Security\Phone\Skin\Enabled=0 and perform a soft reset.
Have fun
PS: When I will find the time I will provide a little program to switch betwen 192dpi <-> 128dpi <-> 96dpi
VGA 128pdi
Sorry it seems that there was a problem with the upload ...
Yeah Man!!!!!!
This is so cool - did you do it all on your own?
I will test this for a while and let you know but the size is nether too big or small - This I can live with this for more than 10 minutes - look at that real-estate!!!!!
Thanks u are Tops!!!
VGA 128dpi
I'm doing PocketPC development device driver development since 2002, so it was not a big deal
There are some minor issues with some dialogs, like the wireless config dialog but I will fix that when I have some time. Actually I got the resources from the QVGA 320x320 emulator, which runs at 128dpi.
Cheers,
Tobias
I have been playing with it - my Phone works but the other usual stuff not
but i am so impressed with this I will actually keep it on this resolution
A lot of work has gone into fixing the the cosmetics i'm sure to find the right files for this as well
From now on I am recommending this to all who complain about big Icons \(or too smal ones )
Excellent Work !!!!!!!
I bet this will be part of WM7!!!!!!
Cheers
Frikkie
I'm gonna sound like a real noob now .... can i just install this new CAb and try it? If i dont like it uninstall and then reset and its gone? Dont wanna bugger up my Ameo as I have it working how i like apart from the screen space!
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If i dont like it uninstall and then reset and its gone?
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If you uninstall it again you will be back on 192dpi (factory default).
Cheers,
Tobias
I tried this utility quickly. Initially seemed ok. Today screen looked good as did the program files.
However when I tried to start Excel, nothing seemed to happen at all except the machine was apparently stuck on something. It stopped doing anything beyond putting the word excel in the title bar. Still saw the 3 pocket office icons on the screen and that's all that happened. Had to manually stop Excel with the memory tool. Uninstalled the vga cab and all is back to normal, including a working Excel.
I tried this. Excel and word worked perfectly for me.
The backlight glider also has no problem. HTC homeplug is perfect.
Phone application works although it leaves a space at the bottom. Also,I can't see the dialed number if it is not one stored in the contact database. Any way it still beats VJBigphone hands down.
Comm manager is messed up still.
Standard keyboard are too small, as expected. However the Tengo keyboard is still prefect.
All icons on tasksbar are perfect. Today screen icons are completely perfect.
The beautiful standardcalculator skin is gone, replaced by ugly looking round lines for the keys. But this is no big deal. I don't need the standard calculator anyway. HiCalc is the way to go, and HiCalc works well, other than a little gap at the top.
This resolution is way way better IMHO than ozvga or mvrtrurvga. The size of the taskbar and bottom bar is a lot more pleasing, and blend in with the application better, since theit sizes does not contrast too sharply from the button sizes of traditional applicationapplications.
The only real problem is, my navigation software iGO my way is completely messed up. What a pity. I like this resolution very much,but would hate to have to uninstall then soft reset to drive. After driving,I would have to install then soft reset to get back to this.
Is it possible to have a program to toggle,at least to remove the need for installing and uninstalling? I suppose it is not possible to avoid the soft reset?
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Is it possible to have a program to toggle,at least to remove the need for installing and uninstalling? I suppose it is not possible to avoid the soft reset?
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I will provide you one this evening. BTW: TomTom for instance works perfectly with this resolution. iGO also doesn't work with 96dpi on VGA as far as I know. I'm sorry
Cheers,
Tobias
Just surprised why it takes so long for this utility to come out. Very very fantastic!
Good... at last something new to play with since the WM6 flashing.
This is definitely the resolution that brings the X7500 to its fullest rights
As mentioned earlier someone had issues with the Excell but I also had a issue but everything works now
Cool
I'm looking forward for the toggle to switch the display modes. Thanks for your huge contribution.
Does it work with WM6? To come back to factory resolution is it enough to uninstall it?
THX so much!
asci said:
Does it work with WM6? To come back to factory resolution is it enough to uninstall it?
THX so much!
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Yes it works on Wm5 & 6
and uninstalling it actually restores it
PS This looks awesome on the jasjar as well (But obvioulsy nowhere near the X7500
Regards
Skillie
THX so much...about phone skin? Should I use an appropriate skin to use the phone?
Great, but some icons missing
Hi, I love it, however some of the small icons in SPB Pocket Plus / Diary are missing... any chance for a fix?
Hello all,
I am about to get my mitts on an Ameo with Project Dual on and like using RealVGA on my Uni so looking forward to it on the big screen however as we all know some progs just will not take to working under VGA. In another thread that I started in Hack & Dev hacking in the hires string using reshacker was suggested but some programs still use QVGA for the touchscreen mapping so all the inputs are somewhere up in one corner or another for example.
My idea is this, would it be possible to have a wrapper or something similar that forces the screen back to 192dpi while running a non VGA happy app then hops back to 96dpi when you exit. This could help with a lot of apps from some of the GPS stuff to old games that people still like to play.
Is this possible or am I asking to much of the Windows Mobile platform
unfortunatly when changing the resolution, it has to soft reset, so I dont think this would be possible.
Another possible solution?
OK if we can't change the screens DPI on the go another thought is this . . .
At present some apps mainly games (although there must be a few applications like GPS or such with similar issues) can display the graphics at fullscreen 96dpi but the touchscreen only accepts input from the top left of your screen which is basically a QVGA 320x240 sized box as they were only ever programmed for that type of screen, I have attached a quick layout drawing to give the idea (the same thing would happen if the app is in portrait as well)
This leads to the problem that you have to guess where everything is in relation to the display which is not much use really, my idea is if we could hijack the input on the screen and translate the 96dpi x,y co-ords to the apps native 192dpi co-ords (halfing them should work I guess) so as far as the app is concerned it's back on a regular screen and everyone wins
If this is a possible way round it we just need a program similar to Hou Ming's (a.k.a. the Mad Programmer) Force-Hires tool to list which apps we want to fix and when it runs away we go
Updated to v1.0 - BETA4 (2009-02-05)
About TouchBack
TouchBack is an application for emulating haptic feedback for Windows Mobile 6.0 devices. It has been designed simply to give a configurable feedback response to your fingers within the SIP window and within the DialPad window. Settings persist between device resets and you can enable TouchBack to start-up automatically upon device bootup.
The current version of TouchBack is being released as a beta, as I'd like to get some feedback on how it works for you. Despite the beta status, I have been running the program daily since the end of November and it hasn't crashed once yet - No detectable slow-downs have been caused by running the application in the background either (and the memory footprint is very small at 4KB).
I do realise that other decent haptic feedback programs have popped up (e.g. TouchResponse), and I don't want the authors to feel like I'm trying to step on their toes. I just thought it was a waste to not release the application after pouring time into it - I may also consider releasing the source code once I get my website up and running.
Please leave feedback on whether or not TouchBack works for you and your device. Enjoy!
Features
Haptic feedback (!) within SIP, DialPad or Both.
Support for multiple dialers (stock DialPad and iDialer so far).
Activate feedback On Press, After Press or Both.
Configurable vibration length (minimum: 1ms)
Configurable ignore press period (prevent multiple vibrations).
Start-up automatically on reset.
Settings persist across resets.
Installation/Setup
Download the CAB file and copy to your device.
Run the CAB and install the program.
Run the TouchBackCfg application found within your Start menu.
Configure your desired settings - Ensure your notification (vibration) port is correct (click on test area to check).
Click on Menu -> Save Config to save your settings.
Click on the "Start" button to start TouchBack, then you can exit the program.
Version History
Version 1.0 - BETA4
Added: Support for different dialers (currently: stock DialPad + iDialer).
Fixed: Vibration does not work on stock DialPad when non-English language is set.
Version 1.0 - BETA3
Fixed: Failure to create/delete startup shortcuts on systems with non-standard startup path (e.g. Non-English).
Version 1.0 - BETA2
Added: Resolution-aware Dialogs.
Fixed: Configuration does not display correctly on VGA displays.
Version 1.0 - BETA1
Initial Beta Release.
Reserved for updates.
Why is it better TouchResponse?
Yuna said:
Why is it better TouchResponse?
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Just looking at it, it has the advantage of being much smaller in size, so you'd assume it uses less memory. It also supports the dial pad which I think is very good.
please, make this program to display properly on diamond, evrithng else works like a charm!
What's the problem? How does it display? I presume you're talking about the TouchBackCfg application. Are parts of it cut-off? I can work on fixing that if that is the case. Please let me know if it is similar to the attached image.
It sounds so good! Actually, I looked for a vibration feedback only for SIP and Dialpad, so it looks like just perfectly suit...
But unfortunately, on my Cruise, the vibration don't work for the dialpad (I use the Amine Opal Dialer). Only works for the SIP (TouchPal).
Do you think it is possible to fix that?
Thanks!
yes, just like that - cutted off...
Does this app still have that problem that TouchResponse has? The one where sometimes a touch stimulates a stronger vibration from time to time?
And is there anyway to have exceptions in this? Like suppose I don't want it to give me haptic feedback in a certain app.
Nice work Kay_! Works great on my Sprint Diamond. Keep up the great work.
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What's the problem? How does it display? I presume you're talking about the TouchBackCfg application. Are parts of it cut-off? I can work on fixing that if that is the case. Please let me know if it is similar to the attached image.
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Hey Kay,
Thats exactly how my screen looks on a Touch Pro (VGA) and i dont get feedback when dialing, just on the keyboard.
I checked the settings too, they were right...
nice app!
-SCDavis
Looks nice and almost identical to TouchResponse.
Can we know, from your side, the differences or benefits this has over TouchResponse?
Thanks
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yes, just like that - cutted off...
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I've added resolution-awareness to the config application, so it should now display correctly on VGA devices. There is a separate profile for those with the HTC Touch HD to take advantage of the slightly roomier window space. ;-)
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Does this app still have that problem that TouchResponse has? The one where sometimes a touch stimulates a stronger vibration from time to time?
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You can vary the period that TouchBack prevents multiple vibrations using the "Ignore Length (ms)" setting. The default is set to 100ms, and this seems to prevent most repeats - But you may need to adjust it higher if you're a particularly fast typist (erm, "stylist" if you're an adept stylus user I suppose!)
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And is there anyway to have exceptions in this? Like suppose I don't want it to give me haptic feedback in a certain app.
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As for exclusions, this currently isn't supported - The idea was to make TouchBack a simple program that targets the SIP window and DialPad windows only. Why do you not want haptic feedback for a specific window?
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i dont get feedback when dialing, just on the keyboard.
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Aye - The current support for the HTC Touch HD default dialpad is a bit of a hack, so I thought this might not work across different mobiles. On the upside, if you let me know exactly what dial pad it is then I'll be able to get it onto my Touch HD and see if I can program support in for it. I'll have a look into the Amine Opal Dialer that zen_green mentioned too.
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Thanks for the feedback folks! Don't let me stop you though, try out BETA2. I'll implement AppToDate support after we get past the initial BETA period (well, that is if people want to continue using the application, hehe).
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Looks nice and almost identical to TouchResponse.
Can we know, from your side, the differences or benefits this has over TouchResponse?
Thanks
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TouchBack primarily runs as a tiny (4Kb) resident program that sits in the background, and hooks into system events - It doesn't consume any processing time apart from when you've clicked/pressed the screen. Performance is also very good with regards to feedback response and there is no appreciable slowdown from activating vibration.
This isn't a direct comparison with TouchResponse, as I'm unaware of the internals of that program; although I do know that my approach to the problem is different from that of TouchResponse (but I'm not claiming that this method is better, just different). Thus. I'm hoping to sell TouchBack on its simplicity and small memory footprint, and the fact that I'm primarily targetting SIP/DialPad as opposed to giving general haptic feedback for everything.
I'll have to let users themselves decide which they like - Please try out the program and see for yourself. All feedback and constructive criticism is entirely welcome.
Thanks very much for considering our comments and requests.
Keep this great work!
On my french HTC Touch HD, I don't get any vibration with the dialpad. I use the stock ROM, with the stock dialpad. Maybe a localisation failure ?
(I can't make TouchBack to start with Windows either : I got the error "could not create shortcut").
Aye - Likely a localisation issue. I'll have to look into programmatically looking up the name (via SHGetSpecialFolderPath) for the start menu rather than just assuming it is "Start Menu" *cough* hard-coded *cough*. I am writing a test app to help me diagnose these issues at the moment.
OK, solved the localisation issue with the startup path. I'll upload the new version whenever I make some progress on making it work with DialPads other than the stock English ROM one.
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Thanks very much for considering our comments and requests.
Keep this great work!
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As above.
Will this work for iDialer (the keypad that accompanies iContact)? If not can you associate it iDialer?
I've made that my default dial pad on my Diamond and would like haptic response.
Thx.