:?: I think I have done my homework, having searched the Forums for help here, but I am still boggled.
I enjoy trying out the new ROM's and Radios as they come out, but am tired of resetting everything on my machine after each upgrade/downgrade. I understand that it is unsafe to backup and then restore to a different ROM version, but need some stratgey to minimize continued reloading and resetting everything each time I upgrade/downgrade.
Questions: If changing only a Radio Stack version, leaving the ROM and EXT ROM versions unchanged, can I do a full backup and then restore safely?
I am also confused as to what the best, most complete backup method might be. I have too many options. Backup in Activesync, import expoert databases, xBackup or Permenant Save on XDA II, .reg backup from reg editor?
Is there another program that is better than any of these options?
Would one of you XDA II Wizards help out us novice apprentices and post a tutorial explaining the real story about backup/restore when switching ROMS and Radio Stacks? Your efforts would be appreciated.
Steve :?:
I think the best backup/restore application is the Sprite Backup.
I have ab. 65MB in my XDAII memory.
the backup time to 256SD card
- with xbackup: ab. 45-50 minutes
- with Sprite Backup: ab. 15-20 mins
the restore time with Sprite: ab. 6-8 mins
It's restore everything (registry, settings, colours, cleartype...etc)
May the Sprite can changes the ROM version num., but only in the registry, but the XDA is working fine with the new ROM.
! When you backing up by Sprite, don't include the mail boxes, because cannot restore it perfectly, and may you cannot send or recieve SMS,
and need to hard-resetting again!
Try it! Good Luck!
hhmmm it may be me but i havent seen any stand alone radiostack upgrades for xda2's and if you manage to put a xda1 radiostack on your xda2 device you got a brand new hitec doorstop on your hands i would suspect
like with the xda1 i would say that radiostacks should never be changed unless ones cellphone company advice it and are willing to help out should it go horrably wrong
with roms you can change and reflash and such but with radiostacks its not anywhere near as easy to get out of a tigth spot
about backup then i suppose it depend on what you want to backup
permenent save only save contacts and appointments and connections settings and such
kinda like if you just sync with outlook
the different backup programs plus the activesync in outlook are a different matter
if you change your rom then i would not restore a backup from the older rom
since a backup is all changed and programs and settings added to the device since hardreset
since you are talking about a new rom then some settings may not be there anymore and some programs may not be there default and such
restoring a backup from an older rom could result in you having to do a hardreset because of a lockup or just a less stable pocketpc
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As a semi noob, I have been reading this forum for the last 3 months. I am ready to take the plunge and upgrade to the latest rom and radio.
I have just 1 question:
-I have quite a few medical apps loaded, they all are complicated installs and take serial #'s that change at every install. I need to wait on hold for about 30 mins every time i reload them.
Is there a decent backup program I can use,
-or will there be too many compatability issues this way and i should just install everything from scratch
I highly recomment you re-install the apps after upgrading, as they will not function properly if you use something like Sprite backup and you most likely will mess up the OS.... It sounds like a pain in the butt, but it will make life easier for ya in the long run.....
just make sure backing up contacts and all personal info, then install all programs after upgrading. i use sprite only if i ever need to hard reset or reflash. if its a major radio upgrade or new ROM release, i will start over. if they are apps that use different serial numbers, i will back them up with sprite.
What about contacts?
Is it safe to backup your contacts usuing PIM Backup and then restore after upgrading from 6.0 to 6.1?
the 0ne said:
Is it safe to backup your contacts usuing PIM Backup and then restore after upgrading from 6.0 to 6.1?
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Just use ActiveSync, synchronise before the ROM update and the synchronise when finished. Might as well keeps things as simple as possible and avoid potential complications when moving between ROMs.
Most of the contact, schedule, and mail backup utils are intended for situations when one is away from their PC.
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What about contacts?
Is it safe to backup your contacts usuing PIM Backup and then restore after upgrading from 6.0 to 6.1?
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What you can also do which is easy is just back up your pim file using file explorer from your phone. I usually just copy it to my sd card. Never had a problem.
Reinstalling my apps (including re-entering license keys) and reconfiguring my 4 email accounts after every ROM upgrade is a bit of a PITA.
Spb Backup 2.0 says it has a ROM upgrade mode. Has anyone tried this? Does it avoid or minimize the hassle of reinstalling/reconfiguring after a ROM upgrade?
(I have no connection with Spb other than I have licenses for a few of its other software products)
I'vetried the new version of SpB BAckup, and the 'New Device' function, though not the ROM Update function.
The 'New Device' restore works well- I did a backup from my Ameo, and restored it to my Tinity; SpB correctly interrupted and asked if this was a new device, and suggested using the New Device process.
The process went well, and the Trinity came out of it with my previous Ameo programs all installed, and also the SMS messaeg store.
However, there is a problme SpB BAckup2 seems to have a problem backing up Email data with cooked WM6.1 ROMs. It seems to work OK with genuine HTC ROMs which is bizarre, but at the end of a backup of my Irun ROM Ameo (and also a colleague with a Touch Cruise with cooked WM6.1 ROM) it gives an error at the end of the process saying 'unable to read cemail.vol' which is the email folder. S, as this is not backed up, it obviously didn't restore to the Trinity
NeilM, thanks for the response.
With respect to email, my focus is on account configuration rather than the emails themselves since my accounts are either Exchange Server or IMAP.
How does SPB Backup handle the account configuration? Thanks.
With my cooked WM6.1 ROMs it doesn't handle any part of the email system.
The Email accounts are absent after a restore, calendar seems OK, but Contacts goes into a continuous loop of syncing/verifying/syncing again so looks like a lot of the Pocket Outlook sync is broken after restore.
SpB are adamant this is not a problem on all the official WM6.1 ROMs they have tried, and some users are verifying that, but I've yet to hear from any of my colleagues who have a genuine 6.1 device, and have used SpB BAckup 2.
Just for the record, SpB Backup 1.6 gives me the same errors.
I’ve being using Spb Backup 1.6.3 on all cooked rom from here and never encountered any of the issue. After upgraded to Spb Backup 2, thought that it will safe time when restoring to another rom but no luck. Even tried restoring back to same rom it stop dead at restoring registry. Well, back to 1.6.3 till they fix it.
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Well, back to 1.6.3 till they fix it.
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..if they fix it
My query about the email problems just prompted the response that it was working fine with WM6.1 so the problem is due to my cooked ROM.
Did you try Options and disabling the 'Stop Processes before backup' option? That seems to have worked for some people.
ROM upgrade mode is practically impossible afaik but not sure how SPB is going to work. It didnt work for me either. Actually the files in ROM are sometimes impossible to get copied ir backed up.
For example, I tried Ultra Lite ROM where ozVGA is there and then restored in Irus' Modded Taxist ROM which doesnt have ozVGA but RealVGA. Guess what? All icons vanished!
Regards,
Carty..
Yes done that too and still hath (gold cube stop revolving) during registry restoring.
If it only works for some people, I rather stick to the previous version.
Usually I don’t keep any mail in the device, therefore unable to give any feedback.
Have done a few hard reset and restore. This is what I did.
1. Select customize restore and restore only the reg without any others. This way, the reg will be able to restore fully into the device. Then perform a soft reset once complete.
2. Select customize restore and restore the rest less the reg. This way it will be able to complete the restore. Then perform a soft reset.
That's it. Is kinda stupid in a way as you need to restore it 2 times.
Bear in mind that this works with the AP4.
I just flash the rom to AP5, and it doesn't even work. It just hang in the backup screen. Sigh!!!
Since early July, I've been using 6.5 build 23001 from Da_G's kitchen and recently have been tempted to upgrade to one of new 6.5 builds. I'm at a state where my device is completely stable and functional for my use. How can I backup my device in its entirety prior to upgrading? I've tried solutions like Sprite backup in the past (and that seems to be the popular solution on these forums), but find it inadequate especially after flashing different roms. Is there some way to backup the device so if I have to I can return/flash back to the original state of the previous rom? I'm thinking of something akin to making a system/drive imaging/ghosts on the PC so that I can tinker with a new 6.5 build but can restore fully to exactly where I was before if necessary.
thanks
S A S H I M I
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Sashimi isn't what i'm looking for--it seems like an automated installer that will cut down the time/drudgery of reinstalling software. i want a solution that i can essentially restore my entire device from it current existing state. think of it like creating an image of the operating system partition on a computer for later restoration. SBP Backup, Sprite Backup, and others like it simply backup contacts, messages, settings, and various data and many times after restoring things are a little wonky. as far as i know, none of these actually back up the ROM as is. i essentially want to go from a hard reset to my formerly working device in no time.
The way I've done it is run Sprite, upgrade to the new ROM, fiddle, then flash the old ROM that I was using, then restore from backup. It's about the only way I've found.
Sunnysoft Backup Manager - never failed me on my RAPH creates self-extracting 1:1 image of internal storage, registry and system databases. You can restore it even without the app installed, it creates 4 files one of which is .exe that restores the backup.
Sprite and SPB can be buggy when flashing different ROMs. Not all of the stuff is in the same place when you go to restore it, so some things get left out, and sometimes the wrong thing gets changed.
If you are restoring the same, exact ROM, the backup should cover all areas and your device should be as it was before.
Actually there's a way to make your backups flashable. I'm trying to find it since I just saw it the other day. Its around this forum. I want to backup my ROM so I can share it with my friend without having to cook my own.
Found it!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427507
Doesn't Look too hard....
Hi!
I have the Energy rom on my TP.
I want to upgrade to the last rom avaliable all the time.
If i use a software like Resco Backup, is it possible to perform a full backup, flash a new rom and then restore my full settings and customizations and aply to the new rom??
thanks!
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Hi!
I have the Energy rom on my TP.
I want to upgrade to the last rom avaliable all the time.
If i use a software like Resco Backup, is it possible to perform a full backup, flash a new rom and then restore my full settings and customizations and aply to the new rom??
thanks!
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You can chose whatever backup software you want. Sprite offers a restore after ROM upgrade, so does SPB but be assured that in 8 out of 10 cases it will FAIL, your brand spanking new ROM will be messed up, sluggish, unresponsive.
The only way these backups DO work is a 1:1 restore. Let's say you back up, installed a theme, phone hangs or you don't like the theme and cannot convert back.
Hard reset SAME ROM --> Restore --> > Done.
Get accustomed to MyPhone, PIM copy, UC, Sashimi and other tricks because you wont be happy with the restore.
Catch phrase --> "Trust me!"
agree with tyguy...
PIM Backup, SASHIMI, and UC is very useful in backup/restore... I use them all
r04d5t3r said:
PIM Backup, SASHIMI, and UC is very useful in backup/restore... I use them all
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There are SOME things that will work that way. If you use Sprite Backup, you can decide which things to restore. If you avoid restoring the registry, you can still use it to restore selected items like PIM databases. I used Sprite Backup but it has become unusable and it seems the company has stopped responding to support requests. AFAIK, SPB doesn't offer the ability to select but I may be wrong.
I'm curious about one thing though. When using things like PIM Backup, what usually happens is once I sync, all PIM Info gets duplicated (Active Sync thinks the data restored via PIM Backup is something "new"). Does anyone know a way to fool Outlook/Active Sync to not behave that way?
If like me you have meetings and contacts in the thousands, using Outlook/Activesync to restore PIM info to the phone after flashing a new ROM takes a really long time...
I can confirm that newest version of SPB Backup never worked for me on EnergyROMs. I could not connect to gsm network even on a same ROM. Sprite Backup works like a charm, but only on the same ROM. It is good just if you are installing something you never know what happens. So it could work just like some restore points in windows. As the guys here said, best method is to learn UC customizations, Sashimi, but i have to say, it is not that easy, for some people...
i work with SPB Backup with ROMeOS and it worked perfektly even on different ROM Versions. I tried to restore a backup made with SPB Backup under ROMeOS WWE and restored it under GENY GER Version, worked without Problems after changing some names/pathes in the registry (Speicherkarte => Storage Card etc) depending on the language. Not working links like Total Commander werent in the installation of GENY in the main memory; they run after installing TC in the windows directory; for me the Speed was absolutely ok, but i dunno, how fast it would be if you work with UC. I restored all my BUs since ROMeOS since version 1.4 until ver 2, but then i decided to install everything new, what took 2 weeks of braincooking but i got 50 MB more free RAM. Of course its better to install everything new, but if its a complex program & settingsstructure, with a lot of tweaks, colored task bars and so on it is much easier & faster to restore a BU...
SPB has the opportunity to choose which parts of BU you want to restore ... from complete restore (with ROM Upgrade mode/ phone Changing mode) over all or single databases to even single files, if i remember right...
Greetz
Boris
P.S.: i only worked with WM 6.1 ROMs
If I'm in the right mood I'll start a new thread under the general Raphael section because I think this does belong here to the ROM dev. section.
Just in a nutshell:
Sprite has and had major problems if the basic SYS changes dramatically (WinMo 6.1 to 6.5 or 6.5 to 6.5.3) thus I stopped using it BUT it has a nice but not really great working "Restore after ROM change feature".
My basic tricks are:
PIM Backup with SPB
Sync with MyPhone
XML changes (like program paths etc.) with Adv.Config
Install with Sashimi
Copy with Total Commander (programs, Opera settings and bookmarks).
Username and personal data either manual input or Sashimi.
This worked since WinMo 5.0 with no issues and it takes me ~ 30 minutes after a flash to be back 99.9%. I do have to install a few things manually
Don't have much time now so I'll post the link to the "How To" later today.
You can actually do a lot with just pimbackup. The custom option is pretty cool-it allows you to backup and restore custom files, much like sashimi does, except that once you set it up, it will do the backup for you instead of having to do it manually. If you uncheck the 'binary' option, you basically just get a zip file with a directory of all the files you selected for backup.
There's a lot that can go wrong using sprite or a similar app. Even if you don't restore registry settings, you might insert something into the startup folder that screws up your phone (it's easier than you'd think, lol). A week or so ago, I decided to try running a task manager at startup (IT Task, which is really cool), and for whatever reason, when you put a shortcut for it in the startup folder, you have major problems booting up the phone. After about 10 tries, I got lucky and the phone booted up, so I didn't have to do a hard reset (which I wasn't fully prepared for).
You're probably ok restoring with sprite if you stick to the same rom-line, but it could certainly be a mess if one chef stores apps in \program files but the new chef has them all in rom (in \windows). Then you'll end up with two copies of everything, which is a waste. It may work, but it's a lousy way to go.
Hi, I plan to upgrade my older Artemis ROM to the current version. Is it possible to backup the installed apps, the contacts/ desktop setup (shortcut icon placement, widget settings), etc?
And of course to restore them with he new ROM. Pretty much what Titanium Backup does for android.
Or do I have to save everything manually somehow?
PS: I did a search
Hi GabbO2,
I have the same plan. Currently I'm on V64 and also using CHT 2.0.0.0. I made a backup of the CHT settings, a backup of the Artemis settings with Artemis Center and a full SPB backup. Almost all of my apps and all my data are on the storage card, so they don't need to be installed after flashing. For apps necessarily to be installed on the intern storage I use the cooked in Mass installer. Please take a look in the Artemis thread help files for a detailed overview of the Mass Installer funcionality.
1. Flash ROM
2. Mass Installer
3. Restore CHT settings
4. Restore Artemis Center settings
5. Restore SPB backup
As far as I understood from what I've been reading here on the forum, that's what has to be done to get my familiar settings back after flashing a ROM. I will use this procedure tomorrow, when I have a little time.
The preparation for this is a little bit time consuming, but you will only have to do it once and then you got a full sytem recovery.
Regards
Getrid
(phhhh, after following the board for a long time - finally my first post Big thanks to all board members from whom I learned so much and still learning)
Danke, very helpful
Be carefull by using SPB backup.
Due to user reports in the past SPB backup saves and restores also system files, which could cause problems.
contacts / appointments / SMS can be saved by PIMBackup
@Getrid: Congratulations to your first post.
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Be carefull by using SPB backup.
Due to user reports in the past SPB backup saves and restores also system files, which could cause problems.
contacts / appointments / SMS can be saved by PIMBackup
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Oh, I'll keep that in mind. So deselection of the system files option in SPB Backup should prevent trouble, right?
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@Getrid: Congratulations to your first post.
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Thank you very much!
spb it can mess with your sim so take it out befor u back up
Taking out SIM and SD card before flashing a ROM via USB is mandatory to me. I know, it's usually not recommended, but I like to secure things
Anyway, thanks for the advice.