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before i buy jabra 250 . is it work well with pda2k now after the new rom????
also do you have something better than jabra?
jabra 250
no good 4 a xda2
jabra also confirm this if asked
so which bluetooth headset is best ?
Sony Ericsson Akono HBH-300 ok ?
Mine works faultlessly with my XDAII.
Mine works, but there is no actual handsfree. i.e. you cannot do a last number redial, as with the wired headphones, so I presume it is not legal to use in UK when driving?
When you ring someone there is a second delay then the XDA transfers the call to the headset. When you recieve a call you have to press the answer but on the headset then it is transfered. You don't get it ringing in your ear. Well mine doesn't.:-(
Regards
I get ringing in my ear with mine and no dely when transferring.
I can confirm that only answering and ending calls work. There is no dialing on LNR.
Headset
I have a blue angel ( SX-66) and neither my BT200 or 250 work with it....
The Stack is too old as well so my BT keyboard will not work either !
Stay away from Jabra 250 on these phones. Jabra 200 *might* be ok.
HBH-300, HBH-660, Plantronics M3000, Logitech Freedom are few that work well.
HS820 will work but audio is poor compared to above head sets.
You can patch that SX66 with i-mate patches.
Hard Reset and apply these in this order.
OEM_WWE_124_008.sa.CAB
OEM_Patche_12100401.sa.CAB
http://www.blueridge.net/dereck/bt/PDA2k_Bluetooth_Fix.CAB (same as OEM_WWE_124_008.sa.CAB)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/download.php?id=2306
Here is some commentary from Tech Support. Does this make any sense?
Dear Sir.
Thank you for writing in and for your query. Regarding your issue, I would like to tell you that you should install the Bluetooth patches after upgrading your device in order to fix the device Bluetooth issues. On the other hand, regarding Bluetooth headsets, Sony Ericsson HBH-65, Cellink, Jabra and Motorola headsets work perfectly with i-mate devices. Most of these headsets have been tested by i-mate technical team. There have not been any reported complaints regarding these headsets as they are quite compatible and error free with the i-mate™ devices.
Regarding Plantronics M3000 Bluetooth headset have not been tested yet from i-mate technical team.
On the other hand, make sure that your headset has the following specifications: Bluetooth Ser. Version 1.1 and supports the headset profile.
I brought a jabra 250 and didn't know it had problems with this device 100$ later I reallized that it doesn't work it pairs and I can hear people but if I am more than 2 feet from the phone the audio become muffled.
my coworker has a nokia headset. and the same thing happened.
I am not sure what my bluetooth version is but I I do have the latest roms.
Hi,
I have the Jabra BT200 with the non bluetooth adapter and I get more crackle in my ear that I get out of my bowl of Rice Krispies! And there is no point in using the adapter with it when the headset is bluetooth and is supposed to work with my MDA III. Oh! and for the record... I also have the SX56 and the bluetooth adapter and it didn't work with that device either. When I plugged it in the jack and turn on the set , no sound. Jabra is a decent product. But lets face it, Any company that is going to make anything or install anything Bluetooth need to stick with one set of Bluetooh frequency protocols instead of trying to make it customized to work with just certain devices. Because everybody is not going to stick with the same headset or the same phone and people upgrade all the time and others just stick with what works. In my research I did fine that any of the Plantronics headsets (M2500 best pick) works well. Which I will pick up this weekend. I hope this helps. Cheers everyone.
Shane
using a bt200
I'm using a blue angel (XDA2s) with a Jabra BT200 headset, I have installed the recently released patch from o2 to fix the bluetooth problems, and now I find it works ok, audio is reasonable withing a couple metres, gets a bit flaky further away but I'm never sure if that's the bluetooth or network signal in my house!
It IS slightly annoying that you can't do dialing, not even last number redial from your headset, but mostly if I'm driving I'm not making calls, merely expecting them, so I can answer on my headset OK and talk to the caller. I DO get a short ring tone in my ear (series of short beeps).
I got my headset free with my phone so I'm happy to live with it's limitations til I've finished paying for Xmas, then I might ebay it and buy an officially supported one which I can do LNR with.
I have heard (dont know if anyone can confirm) that the blue angel doesnt support voice dialling via your headset (for any bt headset) as the bluetooth headset doesnt take over the microsoft for all applications on the blueangel.
Jabra FS-258 (Jabra 250 + car charger)
No problems here (crackle) after upgrading to the 3500 stack. Making voice commands isn't the fault of the gadget -- blame the stack on the XDA. Originally bought mine for the SE T68i and it worked perfect. Moving to the SE K700i the call button didn't work anymore. So, this is a software driver implementation problem definitely. The best thing about the Jabra is its linked to all the previous devices and I just have to turn off the bluetooth on one so the connection hops to the other. Seamless integration with the XDA IIs.
My Jabra 250 works perfectly on my the XDA II and my XDA IIs. On the IIs i do get some crackle/static related to the bad stack especially so after the 3500 update but hopefully that will be fixed soon, anyway that is no fault of the headset.
Also on the IIs it is extremely loud and i had to turn it down. I always had it on full on the II.
On both II and IIs there is a ringing in the headset aswell as the devices ringing.
It is a shame that handsfree is not fully supported still in the new IIs.
o2 don't like making it easy to find out about compatability, do they?
There's the list on the my-xda website, but that's not very exhaustive.
Muggins here phoned up customer services trying to find out whether the Logitech stuff worked. After taking me through security, I got another number...
...which was engaged for 20 minutes.
So, eventually I got thru, and was told to phone customer services (on a different number) and ask for data support.
I got through there. "Nick", a helpful chap, then passed me onto tech support.
Tech support insist that the only things that work are the:
SonyEricsson HBH200 and 65, and the Nokia HS 4W, 3W, HD W3 and W2.
I suspect they are talking what is known technically as "balls".
This site seems much more helpful...
Considering purchasing the new Jabra headset but I've noticed that it supports Bluetooth 1.2. Is this a problem and should I stick with the Jabra 250 (works fine)
Hmm, the 250 is the one that's supposed to have problems with audio quality according to BT, so I'm slightly confused!
Buy mail order, and if you don't like it you've got the opportunity to return it under the distance selling act.
Oh, and post the results
Bluetooth sucked until I upgraded to 3500. After that...all was well. I will post the results on the new Jabra when it arrives.
Have u got ur jabra yet? Tell us ur thoughts how it's working with PDA2K.
Thanks.
Hi,
There is a topic at PocketPC Dubai (under "Jabra BT800 and PDA2k") and the experiences of various people over there are not that encouraging. I myself found the statement: "spoke to the technical guys there and they said that Jabra has told them clearly that the BT800's caller ID function will never work with any PPCPE" kinda sad news.
http://pocketpcdubai.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=553609464&f=611104143&m=202104236
kind regards,
- Avareh ([email protected])
bt800 with XDA2S
hi i have bt 800 paired with XDA2S
END IT WORKS 100% WITH CALLER ID
I CAN SEE THE CALLER PHONE NO PERFECTLY
I read the review, it's pretty expensive. I will have to wait for the price to go down and then buy some months later. With the Earphone mod, I am pretty happy how it is working out.
Hi All
I am succesfully using the bt800 with and XDA2s. The caller ID works fine.
i have the O2 Asian BT fix installed on the XDA until the O2 European Patch is released.
Regards
The Pilgrim
I nearly bought one of these until I read a load of customer reviews saying how bad the sound was and that it wasn't loud enough. In the end I bought the Cardo Scala 500.
Not a good experience. Range of about 2 metres (as long as it's line of sight) before the crackles start. Ok if you are calling someone, but takes 3 seconds or so to realise that youre recieving a call. Displays the callers number, so it conveniently tells you whos call you're about to miss because the pickup button works when it feels like it! (picked up 1 call in 4 today). When it does pick up a call it takes 5-6 seconds before you can hear each other
It's off back to the shop tomorrow. even the O2 Blue I sent back was better than this.....
I have been trying a few different headsets.
I am still using my Cardo Scala 500 which overall seems to work the best.
Best sound quality so far for me is Cardo Scala 500. This is also the loudest headset I have ever tried. On max setting it is actually too loud.
Best reported sound quality for person on other end is Motorola HS810.
Best connection in terms of range, pairing, reacquisition of signal is Scala 500.
Most reliable in terms of controls and function actually working was Southwing NeoVoice USB. The functions like pickup, hang up, transfer to headset, transfer to phone, readial etc ALWAYS worked, but the controls are fiddly cos you have to do everything using the little multifunction wheel.
Southwing was cool cos you could charge it from a USB port.
Motorola HS810 will also do this if you can find the right cables but Motorola don't tell you this.
Scala is very cool because it comes with some nice accessories like a neck lanyard, carry clip and a fitting that allows you to attach it to your glasses instead of hooking it over your ear.
In the next few days I should be getting my hands on a SonyErricson HBH-660.
Hi, Just a quickie about the Cardo Scala 500 does this stop the echoing you sometimes get with some headsets..
Cheers
Ian
I have not experienced any echo on the Scala so far.
There's some static from time to time but you have to expect that with any bluetooth audio.
Generally the sound is crisp and clear at my end and I have had the occasional complaint from other people that I sound like I'm in a tunnel or "tinny".
On some occasions there is just a lot of interference from something (it's always hard to tell what) which makes it hard for the other person to hear me, but even if there is static on the headset I never have difficulty hearing them.
As with any of these things "your mileage may vary".
I recommend that you try one by buying it from a website like expansys and treat it like a two week free trial as you can always send things back under the distance selling act as long as you keep them in good condition and retain all packaging.
I have the BT800, and the called ID feature works perfectly. It came with 3 chargers: USB, AC, and DC (car). It also came with a belt pouch. I haven't had any complaints from anyone about sound quality. It also works well when you dial out, and the volume is fine, sometimes even a little too loud. Pairing was easy, and the MDAIII picked it up easily.
Now for the negatives. When my MDAIII is in standby mode, and a call comes in, the headset and caller ID usually won't register until the 2nd or 3rd call or so, about 3 seconds. Once it does, sometimes it has a hard time answering the call when I press the answer button, and you can't hear anything for a second or 2. The static varies from moderate to none, but still audible even with static.
All in all, I would say that it is a decent headset. I am pleased with it. I wish that it was easier in answer mode, but I understand that these things aren't perfect. I got mine on Ebay for US$85.30 after shipping.
Hi All,
Used the BT800 with my IIs and it paired and worked well. CallerID functioned as per advertised. Ringtones and Vibra alert were also interesting. The only thing that I didn't like about it was it's size, so I'm back to using my Jabra BT250/FS258....Jabra hurry up and release the BT500 in Australia would ya?!
I added the new BT800 CAB that came with the new 1.40 ROM. The sound quality is much, much clearer now. However, I have trouble answering an incoming call from the headset. Has anyone had this trouble?
Jabra BT250 & XDA IIs
Hi there, read with interest all your comments on bluetooth performance. Is there actually anyone out there with a descent performance from the Jabra 250 and an XDA IIS. All I get is SERIOUS crackle and very poor comms quality for the other listener. This headset worked fine on my Nokia but I cannot get anything with the XDA IIs! Any thoughts / comments welcome.
"I have trouble answering an incoming call from the headset. Has anyone had this trouble?"
ditto i went to the web site and they said that the TB800 was not be to use with the PDA2K; think i they knew about the 3-10sec. delay problem
Quite a few people seem to be saying that Caller ID "works perfectly".
I have to totally disagree with that. It only shows the number that is calling you, not the name listed in your Contacts. Thats pants!
Remember Xda1 early roms that wouldn't show the name in incoming text messages, only the number? Well for me this is worse as I get far more voice calls than texts.
JD
Hello everyone.
I have BIGGEST problem with answering option of BT 800.
I use it with Qtek 9090.
I wonder if anybody of you have any expirince to solve this problem.
Everything works fine exept answering function.
I spoked with Jabra customer service and they told me that new software update for this BT headset will be evalubale soon. But ... reallly don't know if it really could help. Think that possibly the situation could be in the ROM. Currently I'm using Dangard ROM 1.44.
Hope you can help me.
Regards!
Leo.
Just wanted to know which is the best and most compatible, ie. where all the handsfree features work like voice dial etc. Bluetooth Handsfree for the Wizard. Not stereo headsets.
well i will let you know the moto h700 worked like **** on mine the volume was low. If i wasnt in a busy restaurante and in my car with windows up i could barely hear anything i want to know what people think also
((It might be a good idea to mention those headsets that really suck so people won't even think of buying them.))
I have the exact same problem with my Motorola HS820 bluetooth headset, extremely low volume, voice command never understands what I'm saying........it sucks!
BLUETOOTH HEADSETS
Ones I have tried:
gennum nxgen 5500 plus - http://www.gennum.com/audio/index.htm - the only one that was worth using it actually cut out the background noise i had a bus drive pass me my gf never even heard the bus i could talk on the phone while in the bathroom and my gf could not hear the echo it worked everywhere it took a while to charge but its not bad and was a bit flimsy it broke after about a month and a half because the ear clip broke off in my pocket now having read around i wish i had kept the broken one and contacted gennum because as i have been told other places if you call them and tell them they just ship out replacements barely even asking what happened the one i want to try that i haven't is the gennum zen headset which looks to do the same as the 5500 plus but is a little more stylish in my opinion and has a technology called leap which helps with face to face conversations with people in crowded areas as well although the downside to these units are there are not many places that carry the 5500 plus especially around me here in tennessee and the only place that carries the zen headset is ecost.com which if by some odd odd chance i didn't like the zen headset i couldn't return it because because ecost.com only allows you to exchange for other items on their website and with 179.99 price tag for it i am not gonna risk not being able to get my money back being more then half as much as my phone
nokia n80 - not to bad but so small it would miss direct the mocriphone and pick up something else and not my voice and hurt the inside of my ear picked up alot of background noise
jabra jx10 - had a big problem with it charging i tried 3 none charged turned out to be a bad charger once charged it picked up alot of background noise
motorola h500 - picks up background noise is loud enough most of the time but gets uncomfortable and rubs the outside of your ear canal raw if worn all day
motorola h700 - does better with background noise and is loud enough most of the time love the charging time 45 minutes to do a full charge but also get uncomfortable and rubs the outside of your ear canal raw if worn all day
plantronics m3000 - don't bother just background noise everywhere
plantronics voyager 510 - picks up less background noise but is just a bit big even though it is light although for the most part it is secure all the time and fairly comfortable
plantronics discovery 640 - great but after long perisods of wear after about a month or so the eargel begins to wear thin on the back and get rough and ended up rubbing my ear raw on the inside
plantronics discovery 645 - haven't tried it yet but from everything i have heard the battery life goes way down the drain when used with the dsp turned on and doesn't work that great anyway
motorola - hs850 just flops around to much on the ear as well as not loud enough and doesn't have any noise reduction and pics up all background noise
plantronics explorer 320 - really hurts the inside of my ear didn't even give it enough time to try thoroughly but from what i could tell it picks up background noise everywhere
Bluetooth in the car
OK, headsets is just one part of it....
What about bluetooth carkits?? Does anyone have a good suggestion for the T-Mobile Vario/K-jam/etc...???
:?: :?: :?:
thanks for those bluetootj reviews..
Im using the hs500 and for the most part its been good. I agree as it may pick up background noise but its the most comfortable headset ive ever worn. The range is also pretty good but i havent compared this to other headsets.
I also have a jabra bt800. This headset is feature packed but is just too bulky. It bothers me when i have it on too long and i dont really want to go out in public with it. It even has caller id though.
My question ..
Is there any headset that works with voice command? Im suprised microsoft havent pushed out a fix for this.
Also anyway to listen to media player through my motorola or do i absolutely need a stereo headset
Anybody using the Nokia CK-7W with the Wizard?
hbh-662 works great, good sound volume and the sound is better than using the handset itself.
enilkciw said:
Anybody using the Nokia CK-7W with the Wizard?
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I am. I had nokia phones for years, that is why I have the ck-7w. I have the speaker going into an adaptor so it is using my car audio speakers instead of the speaker they include.
Sound quality is very good, and there is plenty of volume. I have had conversations with the windows down at 70 mph. No one has ever complained they cant hear me. Although, I do naturally raise my voice when I am talking on it.
An issue is the voice dial. I didnt have many problems with the included voice tag software (although there were times it did not work) But using MS voice command has been a problem. When it does work, it works great, it always recognizes what I am saying. But it seems after making a call or two with it, the car-kit button stops working. A double press will redial the last call, and then a single press will end it, but a single press or press and hold (what is supposed to start voice command) no longer does anything. And voice command works great from the phone.
My only other issue, is when I get an incoming call from someone on a cell phone in my contacts list, sometimes I cant hear them at all and they can barely hear me. I never had this problem from an incoming land line phone call, and all outgoing calls are fine.
Actually one other thing (though it is not an issue for me) anytime a call comes in, the phone (I have an 8125) sends a generic ringer to the car kit. Whatever ring tone you have specified, rings from the phone itself, but not from the car kit. I really dont care about this, but others might.
I would just really like to get the bluetooth connections fixed.
Cardo Scala 500
I am a big fan of the Cardo Scala 500. I bought one three years ago, and was very pleased with it. When it was broken earlier this year, I decided to try some Moto products, none of which provided the noise cancelling that I needed...I spend alot of time in my car...so I went back the Scala 500, and I absolutely love this headset.
It's comfotable to wear for as long as you need to, the noise cancelling works exceptionally well, it comes with a lanyard and a belt clip, and it's inexpensive! It is compatible with voice recognition programs, and the volume is fantastic! I actually find myself turning it down. I have bought both of mine on eBay for about $40 shipped.
I highly recommend this headset.
SCALA is cool
Yeah Scala is really great, I amazed at its capacity to remain charged. I have charged it less often and it remains charged. Real value for money, connects smoothly to my O2 Mini S. No problem with voice activation. Great volume. Simply super.
Okay, I'm not trying to reinvent the will. I'm curious thought, what are some good compatible bluetooth headsets for HTC TC? What are the bad ones? ....using Murato Radio and Original Rom!!!! Or any other radio/Rom combo!
I have seen a post on headsets/stereo music/phone thread. But not one with a specific list of compatible headsets.
I'm asking because I'm trying to figure out if my brand new (one week old) device have a bad bluetooth problem or do I need another headset. Currently using Plantronics Voyager 510, and I cant go 3 feet without it getting choppy and static, sound quality is f**k*d up!!!!
So I will post first: Plantronics Voyager 510 ....NOPE!!
Just be sure and purchase from a place that allows returns if you're not happy with them. Find some you like on your own.
Kenjari said:
Okay, I'm not trying to reinvent the will. I'm curious thought, what are some good compatible bluetooth headsets for HTC TC? What are the bad ones? ....using Murato Radio and Original Rom!!!! Or any other radio/Rom combo!
I have seen a post on headsets/stereo music/phone thread. But not one with a specific list of compatible headsets.
I'm asking because I'm trying to figure out if my brand new (one week old) device have a bad bluetooth problem or do I need another headset. Currently using Plantronics Voyager 510, and I cant go 3 feet without it getting choppy and static, sound quality is f**k*d up!!!!
So I will post first: Plantronics Voyager 510 ....NOPE!!
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Jabra JX10 Series II: Works well
I love my Jabra BT620S
well i have a Plantronics Voyager 510 and have been using it first with Artemis and now with Polaris and i have to say its THE BEST heatset i have ever used (and there have been many!)
good up to 15m and sound perfect.... you have something wrong either with the headset you have or your Polaris
I'm currently using Philips SHB9000. At first signt, it pairs but no headset icons on the top bar (which means all the sound goes through the speakerphone).
Using BTAudio, sound gets redirected to the headset (still no headset icon) but quality is awful, using HomeScreen PlusPlus UI A2DP option the icon appears and sound is incredibly good.
I was using Murata radio/udK R8 when I bought it one week ago. Changing radio or ROM did not change anything so either it is OS or headset related.
Regarding your choppy sound, try this method (especially for Plantronics Voyager 510) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2533699&postcount=13, this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2533699&postcount=14 and this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1317007&postcount=18
The_Steph
Thanks for the resource everyone. I appreciate the response and the help.
I purchased the Plantronics Discovery 655, and guess what? The exact same thing is happening. I still get choppy reception at times.
though I have noticed it is slightly better then the previous headset. And people who I'm tallking to say that I sound alot more clearer.
My conclusion, now, my phone has a bad radio. Either the bluetooth hardware is jacked...or my radio is horrible.
What do you guys think?
BTW i purchased it from a website and I didnt get any warranty on it.
So I called HTC and complained about my bluetooth connection. The lady (valerie) told me that as long as it works, they are not interested in the quality of the connection. After complaining a little more, I ended with the conclusion that I have to test alot of headsets until I find the right one. So to add to this thread:
Good connection will be defined as, "clear crispy hearing on both ends, no static and choppy sounds, and the ability to walk away at most 6 feet (maybe 3 meters) from the phone and still maintain sound quality connection with the phone: Good connection".
So those who have post already with their headset, can you repost to determine if you have "Good connection". My only purpose for this is to purchase this time the "right" headset instead of numerous returns to the store to find the perfect one.
Jabra JX10 series II
Jabra BT6210S
Phillip SHB9000
Do all of these fit the Good Connection definition?
Thanks for all who have post. I truly appreciate your help. You are helping me save money and time!!!!
Yes, JX10 series II: Good connection (FYI, not sure about the series I, as there are some firmware changes that happened.)
I think I can say that Phillip SHB9000 has out-of-the-box a fairly good connection (did not test the 3 meters test yet and had natively choppy sound before the registry modification) with my TC.
After the reg modification it has a good connection (still did not checked the 3 meters connection but I never get disconnected), but it can't be compared to the 2 Jabras at it is really dedicated to listening to music (covers almost all your ears). It is the first time I'm buying that type of headset and it is really a different world than usual headsets (intra auricular or in-ear). The sound is clear and all details are present.
The only drawback compared to the other is obviously the size...
BTW, disconnection problem with Jabra headsets could be solved by HTC official Bluetooth fixes (as one has been especially made for them) and BT disconnection is also relying to the ROM version.
The_Steph
Jabra BT8040
I use the Jabra BT8040. It has as major advantage that it not only supports the handsfree profile, but also wireless 'stereo' (A2DP), so I'm able to listen to music on the headset too.
thanks muyz
after applying the patches from HTC's website, my Jabra BT500 works pretty good. the issues before were addressed and it works fine now as a hands free in the car headset.
i have tested it while walking and talking and something strange i've never encountered: crackling noise. it's as if i was on a wired set with bad wires. as soon as i stop moving, the connection is back to normal. strange. this is why i said it's great for in car connection since the phone and your head will stay relatively static.
looking for a new headset myself actually.
Hi,
I'm using the Jabra BT3030 which also support A2DP for my music listening. After I applied the bluetooth fix from the htc website it's working flawlessly, with no loss of connection as it did before the patch. Very happy with it.
what does the Jabra BT3030 look like? Is it jus the dog tag thing...or is it also wired or wireless plugins? Can you take a quick pic and upload?
Thanks
I tried looking online and I only see the tag piece...is that it?
i'm using Jabra BT620s - work's perfect
i had just some break's in stereo while running in traffic (maybe caused by other BT devices from cars?) - so I changed A2DP setting in SKTools and now it's perfect
strongly recomend
slightly off topic, but what are the registry hacks people keep mentioning
I have 8 cruises for my company's engineers and all of them are moaning about the carkit connections. We have applied the hot fixes and they are still generally rubbish
a selection of the carkits ;
nokia ck 7w
motorola HF 850
focus c-max bluetooth in car
Auidi bluetooth in car
various jabra headsets
motorola HS 800
Keeps cutting out. poor/ tinny sounding, mine (Moto hf 850) makes outgoing calls ok (sometimes) but takes about 15 seconds to hear voice of othter caller on incoming
???????????
Cheers
Knobby
Anyone ? this phone is pants, great pda tho
…and for the HBH-DS980 ?
I have a Jabra X10 Serie II, but I want a HBH-DS980.
Is there someone who know if it works with Polaris ?
I mean, every function of the headset [playlist, list contacts, etc…].
Thanks for your feedback.
It doesn't work fully with anything, its pants !
and even when it does work fully ... it stops working when it feels like it !
bloody irrational. must be female
Hello All,
I recently got a Nokia J BT headset (Mono and supposedly with DSP Noise Cancellation) and paired it with my SGS2. I am able to clearly hear the other end but my voice is quite hollow and picks a lot of background noise and hiss (when heard at the other end). The same BT headset seems to work fine with another lower end Nokia phone.
Since the BT headset as such is phone neutral, wanted to know if there is a way to turn on Noise cancellation on the phone when using BT headset? Has anybody else faced similar problems?
Ashwin