I have a usb type in car charger for my psp rated at 5v 2amp, could I use this on my Vario (wizard)?
will the extra 1 amp matter?
My mains plug for the vario is rated at 5v 1 amp.
thanks
In a electronic engineer theoritical point, it does not matter that the charger is able to provide the extra 1 amp. It should work since both has the same voltage. The basic equation is V = IR, which if you have the same voltage and resistance, the current will be adjusted automatically. For example, the wall socket on your house gives you 240V (e.g. UK standard) and able to give you 13A, hence the rating is 240V 13A. However, this same socket is able to act as a power supply for things rangers from the low power consumption (e.g. clock) to power hungry ones (e.g. kettle). These appliances uses the same voltage 240V but they adjust (automatically) the power by having lower current (e.g. clock = 0.1A, kettle 12A).
However, I'm not sure hows the HTC design in terms of safety. The 1amp condition will become a concern IF there is a problem with your phone. Example, if you have a defective battery, the 2amp charger will have the phone exploded in twice the speed as compared with the 1amp charger.
Anyway, 5V 2A = 10W is a low power rating. My comment is, there is a low accepted risk involved, but it should work with your phone. My advise would be, charge your phone with your default charger, sense the phone's temperature and function. THEN, go charge (later when you need charging) your phone with the 2A charger, and make sure that the phone is within the similar condition it has when charging with the default charger. It is just a precaution incase of any 'defects' on your phone. But, in most cases, if your phone works normally with your default charger, it should not have problems on the 2A charger.
Ask if you want to know more electrical stuff
Thanks,
What does the usb on a pc give?
It charges fine on this, I dont really use the wall charger.
As according to
http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb2.htm
USB allows up to 0.5A of current. So, you are looking at 0.5A current from USB, but the standard charger is 1A.
Ok, thanks for your help, I'll give it a go if its an emergency!
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I would like an additional charger as supplied in the box: from a wall socket 220v to mini usb. I see many usb charge cables but does anyone know where I can get a wall charger?
I heard usb charging is a lot slower and a usb-pc is not always available to plug into....
Not sure what country you are from...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5841022471&category=67832
It says its for the iPOD but it's got the same 5.5v output required - as with all USB devices.
Just do a search for USB Wall Chargers on the net and you'll get loads.
thanks Looks good. Does anyone know if charging this way actuallu IS faster then charging from pc?
Depends on the power output of a given charger...
USB charging is done at 5 volts and 0.5 amps (more or less - I seem to recall that the wall charger for the Blue Angel delivered about 0.7 amps and a bit below 6v, possibly 5.5).
Differences in speed of charging may be achieved if the supply current is higher (logically, since power = volts * amps) although I would be very surprised if the device did not have current limiting hardware in place, which may reduce or remove any advantage.
This means that it should be possible to charge the device faster (assuming it is not precisely self regulating) with a higher power output wall charger than a Windows managed PC. Most people selling USB wall chargers should specify the volts/amps of the charger and I would be suspicious of the seller if this were not the case! Personally, I'd recommend buying a (good - beware of cheapy!) retractable sync/charge cable and both wall and car power adapters with a USB socket as it allows you the most flexibility from the smallest physical amount of kit.
HTH
Alright, so I have a mini USB car charger that is rated at 2.0A (got with GPS) and I just want to make sure the extra amperage is not going to charge my battery too quickly and then kill it in the process. All I have to go on is that my wall charger is capable of only 1.0A and the computer USB is on the level of mA. Does anybody have a car charger or know the maximum amperage possible that these phones can take?
Thanks in advance.
Its to Strong ! I have Crash a PDA with 1.5A
I've used a 2.0a charger but noticed that the battery didn't charge right.
On that note, also noticed that a .5a or 500mA charger after about 6 months killed my battery. (burned out and won't take a full charge anymore)
Recommendation is to stick to 1.0A charging as much as possible as the Wizard's charge circuit is designed at 1.0A charging and monitoring.
DOESN'T MATTER ..if u know the basic Ohms Law..its the max capacity of the charger.(or any source) the current regulating circuits will take care of the real charging current fed to the battery
I charge my phone on my computers USB connection all the time, all computers have a maximum of 500mA USB current.
Amps are pulled from the charger, not pushed to the phone.
Voltages are pushed to the phone, not pulled from the charger.
If the phone draws too much current from the charger, the voltage drops to a point where the maximum power (P (Watt) = U (Voltage) * I (Amps)) of the charger isn't exceeded.
According to the USB specification you need at least 200mA with 500mA recommended +5VDC.
More is never a problem, you could even use a 50A power supply without breaking your phone. Practically spoken: I wouldn't do that.
huh?
I have messed up a few devices before by putting the wrong charger on the device (2.0 amp charger on a droid eris and 1amp charger on the MOTOACTV) Is this a problem with the device's charging circuit? In general it should only pull up what it needs to charge but my devices were messed up?
I returned the first MOTOACTV after it wouldn't leave the boot screen and the second one I got acted funny on 1 amps as well. It charged fine on .75amp charger that came with the device but when I put it on my HTC Dinc charger it shot up from 10% to 20 to 30 etc. all within minutes. Hope I didn't mess this one up too.
Just trying to figure out what the deal is. My phone for sure charges faster when connected to 1amp vs .5amp (computer). This makes sense I understand because the device is able to handle 1amp, but I wonder if it would mess up with a 2amp charger.
Thanks!
The last two posts of 2008 are correct. Your phone is capable of drawing more than 500 mA but less than 1000 mA. If the charger is 1A, 1.5A, 2A, or 50A, it won't make a difference to the phone's charging time or life.
Wrong voltage can be bad, but phones are designed to support USB charging, as a minimum, and 1A to 2A is always safe. As was said in 2008, the charger pushes voltage to the battery, but the battery pulls current from the charger.
That's a really good way of describing it
Pushing and pulling current and voltage is a really good way of describing it.. Given that I am theoretically well within the charging parameters, how comes my phone (Galaxy mini/pop) becomes unusable when its charging (touch screen doesnt touch and screen jumps to new screen without touching?) Am I wrecking my phone?
No, your charger is to blame. Maybe it isn't properly grounded. Phones with capacitive touch screens (not the Wizard! but maybe your phone) can get really weird on some chargers. I have a Nexus One with an aftermarket charger that always makes the touch screen go haywire. When I use an HTC charger, the phone has no problem. As far as I know, the damage isn't permanent, it's just that the sensors get confused. When I disconnect from the charger, turn the phone off, then turn it on, all is well.
My wizards were never bothered by chargers, no matter what kind, as long as they were mini-USB, they were the right voltage. The wizard doesn't take as much current as more modern phones, either.
Hmm. Not properly grounded sounds very plausible. Viva mediterranean circuits. Thanks
Usb chargers will be rated at 5v, which is exactly the correct voltage to charge your device. What you want to make sure is you buy the correct "rated" amperage. Not because it will damage your phone. Amperage only exists as a sum of the power used by the device. You want to find a decent 1amp (1000mA) or higher if you wish, rated usb charger. The the mains charger for your phone is only rated at 1amp, so a 1amp charger is adequate. Avoid 500ma chargers as it will take twice as long to charge and gps / satnav applications will drain the battery even when charging at that rate.
Also if you have a new pc, most of the decent boards will specify 1amp charge even when off if it has on/off charge stated on manufacture details.
Newer phones will charge fine with higher amperage
The myth that charging your device at a faster rate will reduce the life of your device’s battery is false!
If you want quicker charging, look for a wall or car charger that delivers 2100 mA of current at 5 volts higher won't matter.... These lithium ion batteries can handle it... It was just back then if you were to try to put a faster charger in an older battery it (in any cases) just won't charge.
Can anybody recommend an external power pack that works with the flyer/view? I was looking at this:
http://www.amazon.com/New-Trent-IMP...FO/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1324398340&sr=8-20
It will work with your Flyer, but it will charge much slower than the HTC power cord due to the USB connector. It may or may not keep your unit powered during normal use depending the way you use your device since the current supplied will be limited by the standard USB cable (~500ma) vs. the propriety HTC charging cable (1200 ma). I would test by powering your Flyer off a standard PC USB port and see, This should be roughly equal to what this device will supply.
Hmm, me thinks I just spotted hardware hack number 3.
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Hmm, me thinks I just spotted hardware hack number 3.
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This would be great please keep us updated
I picked up a Dreamgear iSound 8000 ma model on sale from expansys, seemed like a nice unit and was supposed to be able to push 2amp but it's no faster with the HTC cable than a regular generic microUSB cable hooked up to a usb port. The biggest drawback was the thing completely died on me before the first cycle, I mean DEAD, won't charge and the flashlight doesn't even work. So much for on sale, return shipping $$.
Neil
As I posted previously in this thread it does not matter what current the source supply can provide. The cable is the magic. Standard cable, standard charge rate of 500ma which is about 30% of what the HTC charger will give you
DigitalMD, reread his post. He clearly states that using both the HTC flyer cable, as well as a standard micro USB, gives him no difference. So while your conjecture that "it does not matter what current the source supply can provide. The cable is the magic." is interesting, it is not, in fact, entirely accurate. Perhaps the cable is "the magic" in certain environments, but clearly not all.
No conjecture at all, in this case it is a fact. The Flyer cable has extra pins and conductors that are not in a standard USB cable. This tells the Flyer when a power supply is connected vs. a standard USB and the Flyer then allows for higher charging rate. Whit out that special cable, it will only charge at 500ma or aprox. 30% of the HTC power supply rate.
Actually less than that even. The htc charger runs at ~9v > 1amp. A lithium battery can rapid charge in the range of 900mA to 1.2A depending on the cell(s) in the battery.
There are two cells or two packs (can't tell which on visual inspection) in the flyer battery running in parallel. A proper htc charger running at 1A provides approximately 10W of charging power, a 5 volt source running at 500mA provides 2.5W so the USB charging will be 4 times slower.
As discussed in another thread shorting USB D+ and D- will allow the flyer to recognise a wall charger and charge at 5v 900 mA, the same could be applied to a battery pack capable of providing 900 mA sustained. It wouldn't be as quick as the wall charger but it is probably enough to provide for charging while using the device, rather than just slowing discharge.
On the question of leads, using a htc cable or standard micro USB makes no difference by default. When connected to a USB socket the flyer/view cable behaves like any other USB cable, the wiring modification is done inside the charger for a wall charger, and would most safely be done the same way for a battery pack.
The flyer internally uses a threshold voltage plus the D+ and D- pins to determine if it is charging from 5v or the dedicated higher voltage wall charger.
yes your post is a more accurate explanation, thanks
Thanks for the input. I will give that one a try and take my View cable with me. I have long road trip coming up.
Hi,
I've read some threads here about charging the S3, but not all is clear to me. I would appreciate some explanation:
1) I've read that the stock chargers output 1A. However, on the charger I got with my S3 it's written "output: 5V 0.7A". So do you think I somehow got a wrong charger?
2) I want to buy a car charger for the S3. There are many generic car chargers in ebay, some of then output 2A current. What is the maximum current allowed for the S3? I couldn't find this number in my S3 manual or on the phone itself. Will a charger of 2A cause harm to my phone? or to the battery? or to both?
Thanks in advance!
bump... does anyone know?
My charger output states .05v=1.0a.
As for what aftermarket charger to buy, I would stay away from chargers with more output than the official for 'peace of mind that my charger's specifications are the same as the official charger that came with the phone' reasons.
Cheers
Generally wall chargers output 1000mA (1A) and USB ports 500mA (0.5A)
You do not want to purchase anything that goes above 1000mA
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I attach a picture of the adapter I got with my S3.
It says 0.7A on it, while it appears that other have one with 1A.
Did they con me with this adapter?
And regarding the maximum current allowed: do you think an adapter of 1.2A might harm the S3?
Do not know where your S3 come from but this charger is not made For S3 but for S2!
I just checked the model number:
S3 charger: ETAOU81EBE
S2 charger: ETAOU10EBE (like yours)
And there is no cable on the S3 charger, it use the USB cable
Thank you for this!
I don't get it. The charger was inside the S3 box and looked original. Damn!
I think the store I bought from import their S3 from Germany, since it came with Vodafone German stock ROM. Is it possible that this is the charger they sell on German vodafon? Or perhaps the store switched it for some reason?
Mine also come from my carrier: french vodafone
Was your S3 box sealed?
Those words, "teg listrik" and "frekuensi" is written in Indonesian
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Hi,
Background - I am an electronic engineer and have designed power supplies.
The Amp rating on a power supply is it's maximum capability to deliver power. The Voltage is the 'force' that it can push electrons through the device, this is the important one to have correct. So a 5V 300A Power supply will not charge your S3 any quicker than a 5V 1A power supply.
Get yourself a 1A car charger and you'll be fine. Depending on how the data pins on that charger are configured it'll be recognised as either a fast or slow charger but it will be fine in any case.
So, according to what you say, there should be not problem to use a 5V 2A charger on the S3?
The charger cannot accidentally push too much current to the device?
No. The phone limits the Amp the battery can get.
It simply won't go above 0.5 or 1Amp depending on what resistor is coded between the data pins (the 2 middle pins on the normal USB-plug)
(Note that this does not extend to all devices. E.g. cheap chinese toys and their batteries may not have any current limter, connecting them to "too powerful" chargers will result in damages or potential blow-up of the battery. The same applies to batteries without any electronic such as car batteries which can overheat and "cook")
I bought S3 in Germany 1.0A, there is a date on the charger:18.05.2012
Matching charger to phone
burmo said:
Hi,
Background - I am an electronic engineer and have designed power supplies.
The Amp rating on a power supply is it's maximum capability to deliver power. The Voltage is the 'force' that it can push electrons through the device, this is the important one to have correct. So a 5V 300A Power supply will not charge your S3 any quicker than a 5V 1A power supply.
Get yourself a 1A car charger and you'll be fine. Depending on how the data pins on that charger are configured it'll be recognised as either a fast or slow charger but it will be fine in any case.
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Hi burmo,
An interesting concept. I have no clue in these things but what you say is not clear to me "all the way".
Charging my i93100 phone with 5.0V 3.1A will do no harm because it won't "push" more than 1A anyway?
And who is "responsible" for controlling this "push" the charger/battery/phone?
Does it work the same for Car chargers?
Thanks a lot,
Izik
multimeter check on .7amp charger
Animor said:
I attach a picture of the adapter I got with my S3.
It says 0.7A on it, while it appears that other have one with 1A.
Did they con me with this adapter?
And regarding the maximum current allowed: do you think an adapter of 1.2A might harm the S3?
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so i have been wondering about this as well because i am currently building a custom charger for my s3 that charges the battery without having to plug into the charging port. i have redirected wires from the wireless charging port to metal tabs i have place on the back of my phone. it is a "drop in charger".
Anyway i have tested the charger that came with my phone. I also have the samsung stock charger that say the output is .7amp but after testing it with mutimeter, i have found that the output is actually 1.2 amps. As for max charging amps, I am not sure. I have tested several chargers. The new S4 charger puts out 2.34amps and i have not found any problem charging my s3 with it.
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so i have been wondering about this as well because i am currently building a custom charger for my s3 that charges the battery without having to plug into the charging port. i have redirected wires from the wireless charging port to metal tabs i have place on the back of my phone. it is a "drop in charger".
Anyway i have tested the charger that came with my phone. I also have the samsung stock charger that say the output is .7amp but after testing it with mutimeter, i have found that the output is actually 1.2 amps. As for max charging amps, I am not sure. I have tested several chargers. The new S4 charger puts out 2.34amps and i have not found any problem charging my s3 with it.
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As far as I know the phone limits it so as you've found yes you will be fine
My original S3 charger is 5v 1.0amp
My original S3 charger is 5v 1.0amp. It was bought in Thailand with the phone.
I agree with burmo an advanced phone will have a current limiter as part of its circuit, however I prefer not to rely on it and not to exceed the manufacturer volt/amp recommendation.
The phone controls the current. In custom kernels (Boeffla and so on) you can change the target current. The phone has a protection built in, if the voltage is unstable (drops to much) it lowers the current untill the voltage is stable.
A HTC One charger I sometimes use (0,7A rated) only delivers 0,8A. A aftermarket charger I own (1,0A rated) is fine delivering 1,2A (modified target current, not stock). These charging currents can be read by various apps.
Get yourself a 1,0A rated charger and speed up your charging time.
Benjamin
burmo said:
Hi,
Background - I am an electronic engineer and have designed power supplies.
The Amp rating on a power supply is it's maximum capability to deliver power. The Voltage is the 'force' that it can push electrons through the device, this is the important one to have correct. So a 5V 300A Power supply will not charge your S3 any quicker than a 5V 1A power supply.
Get yourself a 1A car charger and you'll be fine. Depending on how the data pins on that charger are configured it'll be recognised as either a fast or slow charger but it will be fine in any case.
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Seconded the post above being an electronic engineer as wel.
Voltage should be exactly the same as you need, but this will always be the case for a USB charger.
Current should just be enough or more.
The charging current is dictated my your phone and not - and I repeat - NOT by your charger!
mine rates at 1A
maybe an Android developer can clarify....
It's about USB chargers.
I notice that charging the phone sometimes is fast, sometimes slow, depending of the type of charger.
Now google tells me this depends on the current that the charger can deliver.
But the charger's currentrating (amps) is not something a phone knows about.
It will just try to get what it needs (Ohm's law).
Unless there is a pin on the usb used to identify the max amp.
For example in my car I have a 12V -> 5V converter capable of delivering 4 amps @ 5V.
However the phone chargers about 3 times slower than with the original 1 amp charger.
My question is:
Is there a way to make the phone charge at max speed ? overriding the charger details (if this is somehow provided though USB pins)
Maybe a software or hardware hack ?