It may sound like a silly question, but can I use a UK Vodafone Sim in a Cingular 3125?
Here's the story. I live in the UK and have a Qtek 8500, I simply love this phone - however, the Cingular 3125 is an updated version of this with a bigger 128MB ROM and a bigger 1100mAh battery, which would be ideal. I would love to be able to buy a European SIM free version of this phone - I have trawled the net and the bottom line from what I can tell is that this phone is only available from Cingular. So the only alternative is to buy a Cingular 3125 on Ebay.
My concern is whether it is compatible with GSM? The USA bands are different if I remember correctly, and presumably the phone is SIM locked. I don't mind paying to get it SIM unlocked as long as it will work OK in Europe.
Is this at all possible, and why the heck don't they sell this phone unbranded in the UK from either Qtek, imate, or Dopod?
(The other issue would be the charger being US, but I presume my Qtek 8500 charger will suffice)
Anybody know if I will pay customs or any tax to import this phone from the USA to the UK?
It is a quad band phone and I bought it so that I can use it with european sims. It should work. My other quad band phones from cingular worked, but they were all motorola. I guess I will find out in April!!
I don't know about the taxes.
@admisi,
As you suspect, a Cingular 3125 will certainly require SIM unlock to work with a Vodafone SIM (will need that for any SIM other than Cingular SIM). But as deecee52 notes, it is quad-band, which means it has all the the 900mHz+1800mHz goodness to work all over Europe (the other two bands in the "quad" are the US 800+1900). Just like your Qtek 8500 would work fine in US with SIM unlock and US SIM (all the StarTrks have 800+900+1800+1900 bands).
Your thoughts about the improvements in the 3125 are dead-on. I find that the battery life in my 3125 is fantastic, and it has a ton of available storage memory, even after all the extra junk that Cingular has put on it. When I go to Settings > About, it shows 52MB of available storage (and I have a number of apps installed, including PocketPlayer, Windows Live Search, Google Maps). But keep in mind that the beefed-up battery adds a few millimeters of thickness to a hump in the back, versus the sleeker Qtek/iMate/Dopod versions (doesn't bother me, I still find it plenty slim)...
All that being said - if you are not already doing so, you might want to keep an eye on "HTC Erato" (aka HTC S420, aka HTC StarTrk the Next Generation), which it is rumored that HTC will be rolling out starting next month. That is, if you want a new flipper with WM6, 3G HSDPA data, GPS, and FM radio capability (at least those are in the leaked specs - nothing officially announced yet)...
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=727
Thanks for the info on that. Yeah, I clocked the HTC Erato a while back..looks like it's got it all (except WiFi)...
To be honest I'm a bit skeptical, all those goodies, 3G, even Built in GPS and only an 960mAh battery!!!!!Somehow I think there's gonna be power issues here.
^ Agreed - battery is my big question about the Erato too. 3G in particular - seems I always read things where people say their phone uses more battery when on HSDPA. Perhaps we will find we have to wait for someone to come out with an extended battery for the thing...
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I bought a new SX56 from an ebayer and it appears to be unlocked etc. I put my current active Cingular SIM card in it but I get a no signal message after it searches for signal. The device came with xda-developers.com ROM version v1.2 on it. I have tried to switch to all of the different Bandswitch settings with no success. HELP PLEASE!!! ANYONE??!!
What's your RSU version ... you can get it from device info or displayed while booting.
PS: it's very risky to use the GSM menu this way. Check with your operator and select the right band once and for ever.
No signal on SX56
My device info is:
ROM ver: 3.17.03 ENG
ROM date? 05/15/03
Radio Version 6.12
Protocol version 324e4
Seems you have a bit old ROM and RSU ... you better check with one in your area but I see here some people have either TMO 4.01.00 + 6.24 or AT&T 30.09 + A30 and they are on Cingular. The right bandwidth setting is the key factor.
Thanks for your reply. I don't know how to do the updates you refer to. I hate to return the thing because I got a good deal on it, but if I can't use it on Cingular I don't know what else to do with it? Any help would be appreciated.
Doc
You can get the complete TMO update (ROM + RSU) here ftp://tmobile:[email protected]:21
Good luck ...
Hi,
I tried to link and get an error trying to connect. Could you please send it again :?: ? Do you think updating to windows 2003 would be if help? I can download it for free from the Siemens website. I just don't want it to lock the phone or cause any damage!
Doc
The official update from AT&T should be OK ... however, you device is better to be PW10B type (check the rear sticker) these upgrades were made for USA use.
Also, if you are in the Cingular 850Mhz only zone, you wont be able to catch signal, cause none of the RSU's will support this band.... (quite unfortunate for all of us in North America)
Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure of the Band mHz on Cingular. I will try to find out from them if I can. Guess I'm the die hard type but I still want it to work or I'll have to abandon it. Any other help will be appreciated
Doc
Mavrik said:
Also, if you are in the Cingular 850Mhz only zone, you wont be able to catch signal, cause none of the RSU's will support this band.... (quite unfortunate for all of us in North America)
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Quite unfortunate indeed. What are the chances that AT&T will release one in the future to make it compatible with Cingular 850 networks after the merger?
I still think there is a way to tune a digital device to another frequency. AT&T has a deal on these for $99.99 and it was just bought out by Cingular. It would be logical that Siemens has something in the mix an upgraded model, different freq. etc.
Doc
doc said:
I still think there is a way to tune a digital device to another frequency. AT&T has a deal on these for $99.99 and it was just bought out by Cingular. It would be logical that Siemens has something in the mix an upgraded model, different freq. etc.
Doc
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That's what I am thinking. I am a Cingular employee so I bought one to put on my ERP but I can only use AT&T and T-Mobile signals at the moment.
I am 100% certain that it is possible to get the device to work on 850, more than likely just restricted in the radio stack.
You are lucky!! I have six phones through Cingular and they have been trying to get me a Treo 600 since December!! I'd prefer a windows based device hence my reason for buying a SX56. I had no way to know it would not work on Cingular. All the ads I see for unlocked phones claim they will work on any GSM carrier with an active SIM card.
Obviously it doesn't work hence my involvement in all of this!!
Doc
It is possible that somebody has got cingular sim to work on 850, if they were in close proximity to a mast maybe the 50mhz wouldnt mean too much and a signal could be acquired, but you would still be using a phone detuned by 50mhz which isnt an ideal situation.
I'm not an expert but 50mhz is a pretty big difference in frequency. The splash over from 800 to 850 or 900 to 850 is pretty big. It probably would not work very well even a few feet away from the site where it functions. Still there has to be a way to to tune one of these to 850mhz.
Doc
re: the 850 tunning question, As far as I understand this is a hardware aspect of the radio, thus you can not tune to this freq. This is also the reason AT&T did not brand the XDA II, because HTC would not impliment 850 into the device. You are more likely to see a HP6300 or MPx in this department as they are both quadband phones (meaning 850 implimentation) the real question is, will either of these phones be EDGE enabled? My quess is the HP will but the MPx will not. Reasoning: Rumor was HP was using TI Ref design WANDA. TI make EDGE hardware for phones. TI processor may be in the HP phone. The bottom line is you will need new hardware for 850 or EDGE. Sorry for the bad news, I too would love to be proved wrong. Guess I'll have to pony the dough for one of these two new devices. I really loved my HTC device but if they aren't going to keep up...I have no choice. I still feel the XDA will be a better over all device, but without 850 & EDGE implimentation it's going to fall way short. It's nice to own a Corvet, but if a Honda goes faster...why buy the brand name.
re: the 850 tunning question, As far as I understand this is a hardware aspect of the radio, thus you can not tune to this freq. This is also the reason AT&T did not brand the XDA II, because HTC would not impliment 850 into the device. You are more likely to see a HP6300 or MPx in this department as they are both quadband phones (meaning 850 implimentation) the real question is, will either of these phones be EDGE enabled? My quess is the HP will but the MPx will not. Reasoning: Rumor was HP was using TI Ref design WANDA. TI make EDGE hardware for phones. TI processor may be in the HP phone. The bottom line is you will need new hardware for 850 or EDGE. Sorry for the bad news, I too would love to be proved wrong. Guess I'll have to pony the dough for one of these two new devices. I really loved my HTC device but if they aren't going to keep up...I have no choice. I still feel the XDA will be a better over all device, but without 850 & EDGE implimentation it's going to fall way short. It's nice to own a Corvet, but if a Honda goes faster...why buy the brand name.
I'm getting depressed. I bought this thing thinking it would just be a matter of sticking the SIM card in and off we go!! I've emailed 15 times, joined three different PDA/Phone forums and learned more about these damn things than I ever intended. Now I have a slow PDA, a car charger, extra case, extra sync/usb cable and it won't work on Cingular which I can't change!!!
HELP!!!
Wallaby from T-Mobile works fine with Cingular
Excuse me if I'm way off base, but I just moved over to Cingular from T-Mobile using an unlocked Wallaby, and it works fine. The only thing I haven't been able to do is to make a GPRS connection.
I currently have a TMobile Pocket pc phone edition that i recently installed the WM2003 upgrade on, i love it.
Now i hear that there are XDA2 devices out, which sound like better,faster devices. I asked TMobile, and they say that as long as the phone supports GSM 1900 and can be unlocked to use any SIM card, switching phones is a piece of cake.
So i guess my question is, has anyone tried this? I would like to get a O2 XDA2 over the M1000. Has anyone gotten them to work on the TMobile network here in the USA? I'd hate to spend the money on the device and not have it work. Or would it be better if i wait for some (needed?) ROM upgrades?
Thanks a lot =)
Edit: Okay so i didnt type in the right keywords into google the first time. User review here basically answers all my questions:
O2 review at mobilefly.com
I don’t know if i in the right forum-but it appears what i am after which is “a fix to the touch-pro to enable UTMS 850 (wcdma)”, which has been released here in Australia as 900-2100. Telstra our biggest service provider operates on 850, so my “Touch Pro” does not work. Now here’s the thing, HTC released in Australia the Touch Diamond, operating at 900-2100 as is the Touch Pro, they have just released a new Telstra ROM in Australia that upgrades the settings of the Diamond to include the 850 range on utms, so the touch diamond in Australia is now UTS 850-2100. This means the problem is software, however I am nowhere near good at this, could someone not check out this rom and modify it for the Touch Pro, it is available on the HTC Australian site. If this works please let me know.
Thanks 20 times
Touch Pro European version has always had UMTS 850/1900 as a setting you can select. Problem is you can select it but it doesn't work. Do you know if the Telstra ROM you are referring to has been shown to work with UMTS 850?
20times said:
I don’t know if i in the right forum-but it appears what i am after which is “a fix to the touch-pro to enable UTMS 850 (wcdma)”, which has been released here in Australia as 900-2100. Telstra our biggest service provider operates on 850, so my “Touch Pro” does not work. Now here’s the thing, HTC released in Australia the Touch Diamond, operating at 900-2100 as is the Touch Pro, they have just released a new Telstra ROM in Australia that upgrades the settings of the Diamond to include the 850 range on utms, so the touch diamond in Australia is now UTS 850-2100. This means the problem is software, however I am nowhere near good at this, could someone not check out this rom and modify it for the Touch Pro, it is available on the HTC Australian site. If this works please let me know.
Thanks 20 times
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This is not a UMTS-850 update, see
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2480588&postcount=26
bersca said:
Touch Pro European version has always had UMTS 850/1900 as a setting you can select. Problem is you can select it but it doesn't work. Do you know if the Telstra ROM you are referring to has been shown to work with UMTS 850?
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The touch Pro in Australia, does not even have an option for 850 utms as did the the touch dimond, however they have just released an upgrade rom for the dimond that now makes it possible to obtain 850 utms. As the dimond is similar to the touch pro couldnt the experts extract the settings from that rom and export it to the Touch Pro rom? I dont know im just hoping thats the case. If so it should fix the range in europe as well?
850 band in australia
i have ben told by australian htc support that it is a hardware limitation that they will not fix this that they have no intention to do so. They have basically turned there nose up at Telstra as they didnt want to support there phone 3 interpret that as cash), so they have not offered the 850 band as a hardware limitation.
Those with cracked roms showing 850 band, does not operate at 850.
I am extremely mad at this narrow minded pathetic device for which I purchased two of them for about 2500 bucks in total and because I use telstra there comments are along the lines of (paraphrased) get stufed, we dont care, were not refunding, we wont warranty it, the device is not a total pathetic useless piece of **** cause we told you it was 900/2100 only!!!
I know a lot about these phones used them for years and didnt pickup the omission of 850 band (not knowing), my complaint is they should expressly state that "IT DOES NOT WORK ON TELSTRA NEXT G NETWORK AND YOU WILL NOT GET NEXT G SPEED, NEXT G COVERAGE, NOR HSDPA INTERNET SPEEDS ON THE TELSTRA NETWORK"
so in essence, you can only use this on vodaphone, optus, or 3 network.
My phones default back to EDGE speeds wtf!!! alas, the omission rather than explicit statements is what the sneaky good for nothing companies now resort to.
Due credit to www.expansys.com.au, they with integrity, honesty and openness have updated there website to state it will not support telstra next G
As such, dont bother. HTC felt it was prudent in there business management and marketing hype to exclude Australia biggest telecommunications company, fastest internet speed, and greatest coverage.... whilst simulataneously stating that the device is not faulty or flawed and was done by design and marketed by omission!!!
I sent a message to HTC customer support.... I wonder if they will respond....
Curiosity and frustration has got the better of me.
What is the state of your phones with compatability to the nextG network in Australia. I would love to get a HD but if it means that Im only going to get edge network performance I would be better off getting a 16gb iPhone!
For the same argument, I work for a large importer and travel a lot. So cross band compatability IS an issue if I am travelling asia and europe.
Can I please find out what the plans are for your devices on the BIGGEST mobile network in Australia... Telstra NextG.
Or alternately why you have made the choice to shun NextG users and corporate travellers by castrating these wonderful devices and leaving them half as functional as they should be???
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850 band
LOL
Good onya
Bet they dont respond, or they respond with there normal subtleties and innuendo promising everything, delivering something sub-optimal.
There weird i find, in there marketing pitch that they can "spin" on a complaint or comment with avoidance and subtleties.
I also a a long time user of HTC, and brought the Touch Pro from expansys without knowledge of the no support for Telstra. HTC as quoted told me also that they had no intention of supporting Telstra, cut your nose despite your face or what! “Only the biggest service provider in the country and the only provider that supports country areas”. Who is in charge of their marketing? What an idiot. Everyone says it is a hardware limitation, well im not a phone tech just a user and HTC said that about the HTC Dimond 900-2100. Well how come HTC and Telstra now support the Dimond and all of a sudden the ROM upgrade allows the dimond to have 850-2100? I know for a fact in about 6 months Telstra through HTC will release the ROM upgrade for the Touch Pro. So i don’t believe HTC about the hardware limitations and I believe the answers out there, it just gona take someone with a lot more knowledge than me to work it out. I would not have thought there was not that much difference in the Touch Pro ROM and the Dimond ROM- however as stated im no expert.
Thanks 20Times
Does anyone have an update on this? Is it possible to find out what they did firmware wise on the Diamond?
I too don't believe there is a hardware limitation, oddly though when I went to the latest Hut3 ROM (for AUstralia) I have the UMTS850 option but it doesn't work (no surprise).
Maybe some of the more experienced members can look into the diffeence between a working Diamond UMTS850 ROM & the Hut3 ROM?
The response.....
Hi All,
I got a response... and it wasn't dismissive though it was short and stated only about the HD (sorry, I know its the TP thread!).
They said they are expecting to relaes the HD on the Australian Market in January 09 and that it is expected that there will be a NextG compatable version.
If that means a 850 UMTS version then there "should" be a US version too.
Lets wait and see what HTC can bring to the table.
To be honest folks, I despise and hate Telstra with every bone in my body (people complain about Microsoft but Telstra is 10 BILLION times WORSE!!!!) so I really don't care about this issue... BUT
1. Telstra does NOT offer the TP on their network or for sale within their shops/resellers
2. HTC have NEVER said or listed the TP as being compatible with the Telstra CrapG Australia-only network
3. HTC have ALWAYS listed the frequencies their phones work on - a NORMAL person would have done due diligence BEFORE spending any money
4. A NORMAL person would know Telstra HAS to be different from the rest of the world*, which means ONLY phones sold by Telstra are known to work on their network.
Basically... YOU stuffed up. It is YOUR fault YOU did not LOOK / LEARN and READ. It is NOT HTC's fault. Next time you consider buying a phone... do your homework!!! Don't blame others for YOUR own mistakes.
Bottom line - you should have purchased the 850Mhz American version as they have just as bad mobile phone systems as Telstra - so they might be compatible. Personally I do not think a software update to the phone will enable and allow the 850Mhz freq to work correctly... because there are two hardware versions of the phone available for sale; one for the 900/1900/2100 and another for the 850.
*Isn't it a shame the REST OF THE WORLD (including Vodafone and Optus in Australia) actually having forward thinking and good networks COMPETITIVELY SHARING the 900/1900/2100 freq's.
NOTE: I do not work for any of the businesses named in this posting... but I do have a Touch Pro that I can use anywhere in the world, including Australia :-D
GTRoberts said:
*Isn't it a shame the REST OF THE WORLD (including Vodafone and Optus in Australia) actually having forward thinking and good networks COMPETITIVELY SHARING the 900/1900/2100 freq's.
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While I agree with the rest of your message... but just to clarify..
1. North American markets use 850/1900 I believe because when those networks were being built, the 900/1800mhz frequencies were already allocated by the FCC in the USA. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM#Technical_details "Some countries in the Americas (including Canada and the United States) use the 850 MHz and 1900 MHz bands because the 900 and 1800 MHz frequency bands were already allocated."
2. Canada, and several countries in South America followed USA using 850/1900 because they saw more value in being able to offer network compatibility (read: roaming charges) to USA travelers, than overseas travelers.
3. Networks in North America share the frequencies just like they do in non-North American markets, for example, T-Mobile, and AT&T in the USA operate in the same bands, as do Rogers & Fido in Canada (the fact that Rogers now actually owns Fido is beside the point, they shared the frequency when Fido was owned by Microcell as well). I also happen to know that the USA/Canada markets are sharing the bands fine as well... being a resident of Niagara Falls, Canada... being so close to the Canada/USA border I can give 1st hand experience that depending on where I am, its not unusual for me to pick up the USA networks while in Canada and still being able to see my own. Personally, I believe that some of the USA carriers have purposely put towers as close to the border as possible in an attempt to catch unsuspecting Canadians roaming on their networks even though they have not left the country. I know I had this happen to me before, thankfully Rogers was willing to reverse the charges for me.
The point being, the 900/1800 frequencies were already allocated for other purposes in the USA at the time that some non-North American markets decided on those frequencies. So in reality, you should be blaming those networks/carriers/regulators/governments/etc. for NOT having forward thinking and picking frequencies that they knew ahead of time would not be suitable in the USA.
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To be honest folks, I despise and hate Telstra with every bone in my body (people complain about Microsoft but Telstra is 10 BILLION times WORSE!!!!) so I really don't care about this issue... BUT
1. Telstra does NOT offer the TP on their network or for sale within their shops/resellers
2. HTC have NEVER said or listed the TP as being compatible with the Telstra CrapG Australia-only network
3. HTC have ALWAYS listed the frequencies their phones work on - a NORMAL person would have done due diligence BEFORE spending any money
4. A NORMAL person would know Telstra HAS to be different from the rest of the world*, which means ONLY phones sold by Telstra are known to work on their network.
Basically... YOU stuffed up. It is YOUR fault YOU did not LOOK / LEARN and READ. It is NOT HTC's fault. Next time you consider buying a phone... do your homework!!! Don't blame others for YOUR own mistakes.
Bottom line - you should have purchased the 850Mhz American version as they have just as bad mobile phone systems as Telstra - so they might be compatible. Personally I do not think a software update to the phone will enable and allow the 850Mhz freq to work correctly... because there are two hardware versions of the phone available for sale; one for the 900/1900/2100 and another for the 850.
*Isn't it a shame the REST OF THE WORLD (including Vodafone and Optus in Australia) actually having forward thinking and good networks COMPETITIVELY SHARING the 900/1900/2100 freq's.
NOTE: I do not work for any of the businesses named in this posting... but I do have a Touch Pro that I can use anywhere in the world, including Australia :-D
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Thanks for the informative feedback GTroberts, obviously your one of the PDA users that access you PDA in the city, maybe you would be better of using a PC. There are some people who don’t have a choice about their service provider because they use the PDAs for work and that work involves travelling in country areas, where push email is actually used what it was designed for, travelling! The only service provider that effectively covers the country is Telstra, I know as all other user with Hutchinson-Optus etc-have no coverage whilst I am still receiving phone calls and data. So as much as I don’t like Telstra they have the market-the country market- so loose the tunnel vision. Additionally no one is winging about the non availability of 850, people are asking how do we get it. As for being stupid for buying the Touch Pro in Australia for Telstra, newsflash- every HTC I have brought was compatible prior to the TP, I was on a waiting list with Expansys before it was released or the specification was available, when purchased Expansys never had the fact that it was not compatible with Next G. So when i received the phone I had no idea, as did some other folks on this forum. The fact is that everyone has realised a mistake was made and we are all only searching for solutions. It sounds like your part of the problem and not part of the solution. As for myself I have brought a Dimond and in time I know ROM will be released to upgrade the TP on 850.
20times
Defense for the bad purchase...
I bought the Touch Pro (being an educated Geek) I have purchased almost all of the HTC phones from the european markets because I like the newest in technology (some good some really bad!) Well, this time they threw a curve (I was upgrading from the tilt/kaiser) I didnt see the previous drama about the 850Mhz problem in the Diamond. I have purchased no less than 10 different phones from europe and this was the first time that there was a problem with quad band! My guy that I used to buy them from always told me "quad band bla bla..." lol after wasting almost $1000 US on a phone that sucks unless you send it overseas! I feel for ya brotha!
I dont agree with the fact that everyone is going to know every spec when you buy a phone...I bet you didnt know your phone could function as a disk drive! So what is the sense of "beating up" a guy that just lost/wasted mad money on a phone that SHOULD HAVE WORKED! How much do you think they saved on the "quad band delete" option? 50 cents a phone? I would almost guarantee that it had something to do with ATT! Conversation would have gone something like this....
Ya, uhh...hi, htc? yeah, this is bob the buyer from ATT...Yeah we would like to give you a purchase order for 3 billion dollars of that new phone you have, the touch pro, but I would like to put a stop to all of our customers buying imported phones...do you think you could F**K everyone else and just make the euro released phone not function at full speed over here, you know, not make it as cool as the apple 3G phone that we wasted so much on advertising with? That way "we can be in control of our network" (yeah right) Oh and by the way, we will still sell your phones even though we worship apple...
Just my 2 cents!
Anyone in anywhere besides USA and Australia want a good deal on an "almost new" Touch Pro?
[email protected]
BOOMIN!
Take responsability for your actions
boomin said:
I bought the Touch Pro (being an educated Geek) I have purchased almost all of the HTC phones from the european markets because I like the newest in technology (some good some really bad!) Well, this time they threw a curve (I was upgrading from the tilt/kaiser) I didnt see the previous drama about the 850Mhz problem in the Diamond. I have purchased no less than 10 different phones from europe and this was the first time that there was a problem with quad band! My guy that I used to buy them from always told me "quad band bla bla..." lol after wasting almost $1000 US on a phone that sucks unless you send it overseas! I feel for ya brotha!
I dont agree with the fact that everyone is going to know every spec when you buy a phone...I bet you didnt know your phone could function as a disk drive! So what is the sense of "beating up" a guy that just lost/wasted mad money on a phone that SHOULD HAVE WORKED! How much do you think they saved on the "quad band delete" option? 50 cents a phone? I would almost guarantee that it had something to do with ATT! Conversation would have gone something like this....
Ya, uhh...hi, htc? yeah, this is bob the buyer from ATT...Yeah we would like to give you a purchase order for 3 billion dollars of that new phone you have, the touch pro, but I would like to put a stop to all of our customers buying imported phones...do you think you could F**K everyone else and just make the euro released phone not function at full speed over here, you know, not make it as cool as the apple 3G phone that we wasted so much on advertising with? That way "we can be in control of our network" (yeah right) Oh and by the way, we will still sell your phones even though we worship apple...
Just my 2 cents!
Anyone in anywhere besides USA and Australia want a good deal on an "almost new" Touch Pro?
[email protected]
BOOMIN!
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Please, don't blame others for your lack of care.
If you are buying a 1000 bucks phone you should check it's specs before closing the deal, specially if you're bringing it overseas.
In fact, when buiyng technology articles/products, you should search all the info about them, specially previews/reviews about it, in order to don't end up with something not suit for the use you intend it to.
And just because in your prior buys you didn't have a problem like the one you face now it doesn't mean you did right before.
No, on your other buys I were lucky despite being as careless.
So, stop crying and take responsability for your actions!
You did wrong, not the guys who made the phone nor the one's who sold it to you! You were careless and this time you were out of luck.
Live with it and learn your lesson: be carefull on your next buys, get all the product info before buiyng!
I assure you the chances of getting something different from what you expected will be close to zero.
That's it, I hope this post helps educating some "geeks" and whoever is interested and as well puts some shame on the careless whiners around the forums.
Lastly, sorry for going off topic, but it appeared to be the right thing to do at this time.
Cheers to all.
P.S.: Mods, please close this thread, the question has been answered and the subject is already covered around the forums as well.
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I bought the Touch Pro (being an educated Geek) I have purchased almost all of the HTC phones from the european markets because I like the newest in technology (some good some really bad!) Well, this time they threw a curve (I was upgrading from the tilt/kaiser) I didnt see the previous drama about the...
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I do know my cellphone can work as a disk drive, does it make me an educated Geek as well?? lol
I need to point out, you do not necessarily know every spec of a phone that you are about to spend thousand dollars to purchase. It's something up to you to decide. However, while you encounter a problem, do not blame the manufacture of the phone while they've already stated the working frequency of the phone on their website and even other places have the information as well. Could you really blame that??
I personally do not think that Expansys needs to clearly put "does not support Telstra's Next-G network" in words since if you are such a person who is willing to make a purchase out of such a "RIPOFF" website for a 1st hand experience for a newest tech gadget, you should know technology stuff really well, from inside out. So it really makes yourself to be the only one responsible for such an outcome. Unless Expansys or HTC mistakenly stated that the phone (Raphael 100) worked on UMTS850MHz, then you should really blame on Expansys, or HTC. Other than that, good luck.
Well, itz just my 2 cents.
all you can do now is selling your phone and go grab a US version one. mine works pretty well.
G.
3G no Next G
I live in a regional area (Next G, not 3G), but when I visited Perth last week, I was able to pick up Telstra3G on my HTC Touch Pro.
It was on AUTO band select so I don't know which frequency it picked up on. I'm runnin [email protected] v1.40 WWE, radio 1.02.25.32.
Still, my mate can pickup the NextG network on his Diamond, but I can't on my pro
I'm no expert but I was of the understanding is that the Raph and Diamond share most of the same hardware. I've seen on the Raph Radio Thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439566 that you can use a Diamond Radio on the Touch Pro (as long as you Security Unlock first). I'm on the 3 network (so I can watch the cricket ) so I can't test for you but I think flashing with a one of Telstra Diamond Radios might be worth a try. I've tried checking the wiki to see which Radio comes with the current Diamond from Telstra but the info doesn't seem to be there. You may need to trawl the Diamond forums to see what version others are using.
Hello all. After trolling the forums for hours, I am still unsure where we are at with all this. Could someone please advise if there is a solution to using a Touch Pro on the Telstra 3G network? Thanks in advance.
it works on telstra 3G edge and gprs but not telstra next G. 3g coverage for telstra is poor. they promote next g.
im going to be in australia for the next few months, and im looking into what phone im going to use there.
Its tough, because ive grown attached to having all the toys on my verizon xv6800, and dont want to go back to a standard phone.
Is it at all possible to get my titan to work on an Australian network? if not, can anyone point me in the direction of some information about other international phone options?
if anyone on here is from australia please let me know, i'd love to get in touch and get whatever information i can about plans and other info.
im open to any suggestions or other options for what i can do about a useful phone in australia.
Thanks alot
Entirely different radio and chip structures
well, you can always use your xv6800 just not to make calls. WiFi and GPS would work, you'd have no cell signal.
So, I suggest carrying 2 devices or searching online or picking up a GSM HTC smart phone. The Tilt/Kaiser Raphael (Touch Pro GSM) and the Blackstone / Touch HD and so many more cooler new devices will work in Australlia. However, some of those things are costly and you could natively use an older HTC phone.
You could buy an unlocked phone and just put a sim in there when you arrive.
The 2 main questions are what do you want to spend on a phone and will you rely on a data connection other than wifi?
I thought there was native CDMA coverage in australia? Or is it only new zealand? I would agree an ebayed tilt unlocked and a prepaid sim would probably be the best route.
Hi folks, can anyone point me in the right direction for a stock uk o2 rom?
I have been asked to look at my brother in law's S740 but am beginning to think something is corrupt. I have a thread in the general section if anyone wants a look.
If one is not available, is there a generic english ROM around?
Many thanks.
EDIT: I did find on, linked to from this board but unavailable. I found the same file elsewhere, but it told me it was the wrong one when I tried to flash it.
Hey,
Odd it won't install if you really have an Orange. I tried it on my 'Asia' S740 and it gave me the same error but now that HardSPL is available thanks to jocky2001 I was able to install the Orange S740 rom! I thought update had failed because it stuck at a generic 'Operator' boot screen FOREVER but eventually it did finish booting & initial setup. Bad news is that although the rom seems to work I can't get a signal. Perhaps the radio has been highly customized for Orange, not sure. The odd thing is everywhere I've looked says the Orange S740 is Quad band & even shows 850/1900 on spec pages but those are not even options in band selector.. Anyhow, if you want to give the Orange ROM a shot, try jocky2001's hardspl (worked for me) and maybe you'll at least get it installed.
Bill
Thanks Bill.
To be honest, I don't know what operator it was on before I was asked to look at it, as it was found discarded in the box with all the bits - in a bin!!!
Maybe thats why.
Are the orange ones branded as such? This has no branding apart from the HTC emblem.
Wow lucky you! Hey I think I lost my S740 near that bin.. You might install jocky2001's hardspl then at least try the Orange UK & Asia ROM's. Both roms refused to install on my S740 (HTC told me it originated in Singapore but even Asia ROM refused to intall) but after hardspl I can install either rom.
As far as branding, I've not seen an Orange S740 & the Orange site shows no logos or such but I will tell you the Orange logos display on bootup after installing the Orange ROM vs just HTC logos with the Asia ROM. They do seem to have different apps installed by default but didn't dig too deep to determine which. Pretty sure the Asia ROM auto-configured data settings for me but the Orange one required connection wizard cab although it didn't help much without a signal.
Btw mine says ROSE100 FCC ID:NM8RSV P/N: 99HFB012-00 behind battery if that helps
So does yours even boot or stuck at bootloader or what does it do to make you think the flashed rom is corrupt? Did you try a hard reset to clear settings? Often that works if someone did/installed something that mucked it up.
Bill
Ps. Here is the link to the ROM's I used. The Asia rom has English (is default actually) & seems to be true Quad band enabled vs the Orange which seems to be just dual band since it doesn't show 850 band & although 1900 is listed it won't connect to it for me even though I know AT&T has 850 & 1900 in my area: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=599520
EDIT: OK seems it does support 1900 but only if you manually select 1900 from band list. I tested with both TMobile & ATT SIM's and get a signal. The ATT signal is weaker than normal though because normally the 850 band is a lot stronger in my area than 1900. Field test confirms it's running on PCS/1900 band not 850. So far I found no way to get 850 to work but odds are there is a way since the radio supports it. (Works with Asia ROM on same phone)
It wasnt the ROM file that I thought was corrupt, it was more a case of trying to refresh / reload the various rom sections back onto the phone as there is nothing in the way of phone signal.
There is an image of the problem in this thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=648169 - if you haven't already seen it.
I'll give it another go, but when I tried to flash an asia rom both before and after jocky's SPL it just throws up the "invalid vendor ID" error.
Yeah I assumed you meant the ROM on the phone was bad not the file.
No I hadn't looked at your other thread, I had just posted on this one because it was about the ROM. I get that symbol when I put in a bad/disabled SIM. I think it just means there's no service but emergency calls can still be made if there is a signal. The symbol is different if there is no SIM. Does it give you a 'locked' error indicating it's SIM locked to a carrier? Maybe the SIM slot is bad.. Or maybe the phone was reported stolen so the carrier is blocking it.. Have tried to run fieldtest.exe with a SIM in to see if it is indeed connected to a tower? Not sure what band it'd show for you but for me it is either 850 or PCS even if bad/disabled SIM is installed indicating it does have a signal for at least 911/emergency calls. Anyway, I'd hope you at least did a hard reset clear storage at least already & next do hardspl & install either original orange or Asia rom. I can confirm both posted on xda work on my S740 (aside from lack of 850 band on Orange rom) after installing the hardunlock where they did not work at all (same ID error) before the unlock..
Ok, here's the results of my testing, without having to install Jockey's SPL.
Both ROM's you refer to flashed ok. Obviously I didn't try to hard with the Orange ROM as I dont have an Orange sim to try.
I flashed the Asia ROM with success but still have the problem of no service.
HOWEVER, after having a play with the band and network selection settings, it now asks me to select a network, but the only one listed is T-Mobile.
Again, I only have an o2 sim to try as this is the preferred operator my bro wants.
This now leads me to believe that T-Mobile is the only one listed because it is locked to that carrier.
My assumption may be totally incorrect as my knowledge of phones is pretty much zero, but if this is the case, would you or anyone else know of a way to unlock it pretty much for free, lol, especially now the HardSPL is available.
Sorry, I meant to answer you other questions at the same time.
It could be the slot is bad, and I'm pretty sure it's not been blocked by the carrier as it was found by a cleaner working in an office.
In the bin were the box, phone, CD's, headphones and USB cable.
Even the little square pages of literature were there.
Its almost like it has stopped working and the owner has just taken his / sim out and binned it. !!
There hasnt been any locked error either.
I'll try that fieldtest next.
EDIT: I put the phone down for 10 minutes while typing this and getting fieldtest, only to pick the phone up and now have Orange on the "choose network" screen. I'm going to leave it overnight and see if it can get o2, lol.
Cool you got the roms to install but very strange it would let you without hardspl.. Btw, Orange ROM does not mean you have to use Orange SIM. Note that the Orange ROM has a newer radio which is worth a try too. For testing I'd leave the band stuff on auto unless you're sure you know what you're doing because it's easy to set it to wrong band & assume you get no signal. lol And I'm sure you want O2 but worth trying any valid SIM you can find just to see. But yeah the network select trick is helpful too just to see what is available but it can show different results depending on what SIM is in it, status of that SIM etc. If your phone was locked to a carrier it should tell you so when you 1st boot up with a SIM from a different carrier in it. And after searching I see nowhere that TMobile has ever had branded S740 so doubt seeing just TMobile in list is an indicator of being locked to Tmo.
Sounds like a SIM issue since it is doing the same as when I put a deactivated SIM in. I'd say either the SIM socket/contacts are bad, SIM isn't inserted properly, incompatible SIM (maybe they are super old?) or possibly the phone had damage to either antenna or water damage that ruined something. The more SIM's you try the better to narrow it down, especially if you were able to get your hands on an active Orange SIM.
Of course it's possible the phone's IMEI has been blacklisted as stolen & that is causing your phone to not be able to register on a network with SIM installed. From everything I've read when a phone is blacklisted it'll either say an error about not being able to register with network or simply show no signal as if a deactivated SIM was installed. I'd say if that is the case they'll come knocking on your door since they'll trace it back to your account. hehe US carriers don't seems to partake in the blacklist system so feel free to ship it to me & I'll test it here for you.
Well, just to close this thread.
I tried various ROM's available from this site and none worked.
I did have limited success as posted above but overall, nothing. The phone has now gone back to the person who asked me to look into it and to my knowledge he is going to sell it to one of these phone reclaim companies.
I did check and one place, I think throught the post office, is offering £80 ish so not bad I suppose.
Anyway, thank you to all who have made suggestions and wotnot. Personally I'm still happy with an old Nokia 6300 and my Wizard (Mini-S)
Thanks folks.