I've hard-reset a couple of times lately (to recover from a crazy spree of playing with registry files/checking out freeware) and a reset or two ago, as I opened the Extended_Rom folder with Total Commander to run the MMS cab, I realised a bunch of the files I usually see there are missing.
Normally I see all the files listed in the config file (all operator customisations/everything beginning with 'Signed_') in the extended rom, but now I only have the ones you can see in the first screenshot. I didn't have the software installed (soft reset before it started) but the cab files were usually there any way.
I did play about with trying to remove a few of them (Signed_DisableBeam for one) but I didn't think I'd been successful & I didn't try and delete them all, so... I'm confused! I've hard-reset since then and they haven't come back.
Does anyone know what happened/what it sounds like?
&also (although I'm guessing the answer is 'no' -- it can't be that easy ) can I edit/overwrite the config file with one of my own, leaving out the O2 customisation?
(Phone info is in my sig, in case you need it.)
Thanks!
I think you may find that they are still there but hidden and will not be installed. Try reflashing your extended rom or create your own with Faria's turorial found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=269583
regards
Riptos
my theory is that extended_rom allows edition (via WindowsMobile OS) but does a checksum at boot. as a protection it blanks itself whenever the checksums fail.
As a solution I advise a reflash of that area alone (via edited RUU)
cheers
Hi,
I have a question about this subject.
I seem to be having this same problem (curiousity kills sometimes)
However after many attempts at reflashing my device the ext rom never showed again and completley disappeared. many hard resets have failed. Its not something I'm really all to worried about, it's just I find it odd that no ext roms from any installations will work at all.
Could it be because it's a tmo mda by chance or that is a G4?
I've tried every rom under the sun so to speak.
Any answers would be greatly appreciated.
ipl/spl: 2.17.0001
CID unlocked
well, you DO have a G4 device but since G4 have DOC write protection enabled and can't downgrade to ROMs bellow 1.06 i don't think that using pdocwrite would help here (i've used it before in mt G3 to solve such issue)
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Since getting my XDAII a few days ago, I've been impressed with the number of customisations possible, and have managed to acheive a number of different tasks, however, I have as yet to cook my own ExtROM for it.
This is something I would very much like to do, and I have acquired an ms_.nbf from the end of the line update that O2 provides from their website.
I have all the necessary tools to do it, and I know exactly how to, but I do not know which packages I need to keep in order to have a PDA with fully functioning bluetooth, blackberry and ad nauseum. alternately, as I'm sure that there is probably an ExtROM with all the bare essentials in it (and probably newer version essentials too) so if someone could point me to one, or the other I'd be very grateful, and whatever it is, I am definitely interested in dumping O2Active.
you dont need to mess with nbf files to cook an extented rom
you can just use the tool to unhide and unlock the extented rom from the xda and remove the cab files you dont want and
add the ones you want and change the config.txt file to include the new stuff and exclude the stuff you removed
then you just lock and hide the rom and hardreset
and the rest if history
I know, but someone else wants a custom ROM, and they're too far away for me to get hold of their PDA to do it that way.
all I need to know now is what .CAB files I need to include to have everything functioning, then I'll bung on extras
I guess this is a trial and error jobby then.
now something I've wondered that should be simple to answer;
when flashing on an ExtROM, is it possible to flash ONLY the ExtROM, or is it mandatory to flash the OS and radio as well, on pain of trashing the PDA and reducing it to only the bootloader.
well, through trial and error I've got it all sorted, thanks to everyone for their help... oh, wait, I didn't get any help, but many thanks to Rudegar.
Sure, you don't owe me anything, but if a forum's been setup for the purpose of giving help, it sure would have been nice to have received some rather than just getting ignored because I haven't made enough posts yet to join whatever religious PDA sect you happen to run exclusively to help eachother.
rant over, I've made my point, perhaps something positive can come of it?
Just yesterday I created my first "EXTENDED ROM" and installed it by myself for my friends XDA II, all you need is EDIT2003 program thats on the wiki somewhere. Then you can open the ms_.nbf, and edit the splash images and the files it will install on the hard reset, then just install it to the phone using the rom upgrade procedure but put the extended rom in and delete the nk.nbf and the radio_.nbf tah dah!
Hi to everyone.
Before this HTC device I had others and also had a Motorola Mpx220 (WM2003 SE).
I was used to move the files within "\Windows\Start Menu" (mostly .lnk files to installed programs) into newly created subfolders, to be able to use and/or access the function I needed in a faster way.
I've tried doing the same on this WM5 device, but everytime I try I get an error message reporting it is not possible (File Explorer has greyed out options to cut and/or copy, while TotalCommander just reports it's not possible to "overwrite" ???).
Does anyone have an idea of how this can be done (registry ???) ?
Thank you.
Ciao
Here is the solution...
Hi Mix, it's Mix answering (yes, I'm the same person...)...
First of all I would like to thank you ALL the people which knew the solution and were fighting to answer to my doubt...
You were so many, I wonder why the message has been read times and so many answers arrived: 0 (yes, ZERO).
Anyway, I came across the solution myself, by chance...
The problems seems being the smartphone versions of WM5 being protected against file modifications. This protection extends also to some files execution and to certificate installations (hence some problems may arise when connecting to an Exchange Server for syncronization).
Some tools are needed to remove this protection, and some experience of registry modification is required too (I will not help anyone beside what is in this message and I take no responsability for any mistakes and/or troubles you may produce or face).
First of all you need a special version of RegEdit (the tool from PHM): you should find an HTC digitally signed copy of it called RegEditSTG.exe.
Look around for it: there are many forums around which do hold a copy of it.
Place it in your phone's memory, not on the MicroSD card...
With this tool you should change the following values:
HKLM\Security\Policies\Policies\00001001 = 2 => 1 (RAPI)
HKLM\Security\Policies\Policies\00001005 = 16 => 40 (Cert)
HKLM\Security\Policies\Policies\00001017 = 128 => 144 (?)
The first is the value you will find, the second is the value you should enter. The third line has a question mark because someone says it should be made, someone not... It's up to you. I made it.
Then you should find another tool (with the same above method) called SDA_ApplicationUnlock.exe which has to be run on your desktop PC with the phone already connected with USB (and possibly with ActiveSync not in the middle of a sync...).
Once you run this, you will get a message that the unlock took place (if not, it may be the first operations did not complete well).
Disconnect your phone from the USB cable and power cycle it (switch it off and then on again).
Opla'... the phone is not APPLICATION UNLOCKED and you will be able to move file around the directories as I was looking to when I first posted my message.
Now I have a very quick Start Menu, as I wanted.
Please, be aware that this operation hacks the security policies of WM5 and then any other application which may be dangerous can now run on your phone.
If you wish to stay on the safe side, it could be useful to restore the registry settings to their original values, but I do not know if this could cause other problems, since I didn't on my phone.
I actually double check every single file by myself before launching it and I do not run anything which I'm not sure it is safe.
So, pay attention... (you have been warned...).
Hope this helps someone else out there.
Ciao
Thanks for the tips mate! I was searching around for the same problem.
Can a hard reset put all the files back as in the old WM2003? I'm asking that 'cause if you look at the windows directory, many exe and dll files are repeated, with a different code. I guessed they are for the many different languages the phone support and the code is the country code. Maybe when you switch from one language to another those files are renamed so you have the correct exe and dll for the language you need...
If I can erase all the files I don't need (I will never change the language or maybe have only italian and english) I can save lot of space.
Am I wrong? Was that ever tried before?
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Thanks for the tips mate! I was searching around for the same problem.
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;-) I knew...
Can a hard reset put all the files back as in the old WM2003? I'm asking that 'cause if you look at the windows directory, many exe and dll files are repeated, with a different code. I guessed they are for the many different languages the phone support and the code is the country code. Maybe when you switch from one language to another those files are renamed so you have the correct exe and dll for the language you need...
If I can erase all the files I don't need (I will never change the language or maybe have only italian and english) I can save lot of space.
Am I wrong? Was that ever tried before?
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In order:
- Yes, I suppose a hard reset of the device completely restores the original factory settings, hence, the device will appear as "brand new".
- You're right: all the localized files present there are just to be able to swithc to other languages (maybe following user's settings and maybe also following user's SIM settings too...).
- Erasing the unused files may appear as a "space saving" job. It is not. First of all you will not be able to remove ROM resident files, but provided you could be able to do this, you will not be able to use ROM space as you intend...
Finally then, it's completely unuseful to try to remove them, just a waste of time trying...
Ciao
Thanks Michele.
Are you sure the windows directory is in ROM?
I always tought ROM was only to store the "disk" image when you hard reset the device. I was so for the Qtek S100.
vbi said:
Are you sure the windows directory is in ROM?
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Yes it is. On the fact that it is then copied into RAM, well, this is a tecnique which was used up to WM2003 SE devices.
Starting from WM5 devices MS somewhat changed the behaviour of the whole system, hence I'm not then so sure.
Indeed, I have never been sure of anything, beside death, so you can imagine...
I'm not really so "expert".
Having used an MPx220 for over one year (with all its limitations, but exploiting it very much), using a WM5 device now is a much more relaxed experience (faster, more realiable and less troubly in terms of memory).
Just MHO
Thanks Mix - i followed your directions and it worked.
Got my QTEK (running i-Mate ROM) Application Unlocked
hi
for those of you who don't know, the israeli phone have hebrew (and MUI) support from a software called Eiron (it is installed from the extended rom). this software is also responsible for the sim-lock in these phones, Israeli carriers do not use the internal sim-lock feature. This is why israeli wizards (they are sold here as K-Jam) can't be unlocked using lokiwiz.
This is a G4 wizard, so it can't be CID unlocked (i didn't totally understand what it means.. does it mean that i can't change the content of the extended rom?)
I did a very simple thing to bypass it. I did a full hardware reset and when the extended rom was about to start installing everything, i did another reset, which stopped it from running. it didn't try to run again on the second hardware reset.
Viola, i can use a sim card from another carrier. but i lost the hebrew support.
Then, using wizard service tool, i un-hid the extended rom. attached is a list of the files on the extended rom that i copied to my computer. now i can install only the files that i want. I'm getting to the question...
Can anyone take a look at the list (i can send the files if needed) and try to guess by the names of the files, which file is what? which file i should install (maybe it's a fix or upgrade which is necessary) and which file should i skip to keep my k-jam as clean as possible and simfree (of course)?
just a hint, the only two softwares that can be uninstalled after the extended rom finished running, are CA antivirus and Eiron (the hebrew and MUI support).
I guess someone with experience with pda's could answer it in a second... I tried to read the wikis here, but it seems like i have A LOT to learn before i have enough knowledge to understand these names...
Thanks a lot.
Roy.
We already have an ExtROM unhider, what we need is an ExtROM unlocker.
Can someone please develop this
Enables the Ext Rom visible
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\EXT_FLASHDRV]
"MountHidden"=dword:00000000
Exit and Reboot after changes and ur done
it lets u view it but i cant figure out how 2 make changes yet. its still locked.
I believe he stated he already had the extrom unhidden.... now he needs it unlocked....
I haven't been successful at unlocking the extrom either....
An unlocker does exist for the Titan...
Check this thread:
http://www.ppcgeeks.com/external-rom-unlocker-unhider-get-it-here-t5845,highlight,extrom.html
as i said
as i said.... at this time there is no way to unlock the ext_rom on the titan. I'm sure it's possible, it's just a matter of time before it's figured out....
by the way, your ppcgeeks thread with the "unlocker" doesn't work. Try reading more than just the original post.
I believe Paul Hammons is working on one. He is finishing up the Dialer, then will be working on the unlocker. He said he is close to testing it
Mogul Extrom Junkware
/here's one possible work-around, You'll need one of the extrom unhiders (actually possibly not needed) and aegistry editor. There is an autorun file in the extrom, whose parameters are in config.txt (also in extrom). The autorun is called in:
HKLM\Comm\AutoRun
and the config file in:
HKLM\Comm\AutoRunCFG
If you just want to stop the whole extrom contents just delete the entry on the first item.
Or you could edit the config file to what you want, copy it to the windows folder, and then point the HKLM\Comm\AutoRunCFG to the new config file.
As always. hack at your own risk.
Rob
The extrom is only loaded after a hard reset though and a registry change will be erased at that point. There is also no way to create a custom rom yet for the Titan. So there is no way to have those entries set after a hard reset. The way to avoid extrom installs is to soft reset just before they load after a hard reset. There are other advantages to an unlocker however.
ImCoKeMaN said:
The extrom is only loaded after a hard reset though and a registry change will be erased at that point. There is also no way to create a custom rom yet for the Titan. So there is no way to have those entries set after a hard reset. The way to avoid extrom installs is to soft reset just before they load after a hard reset. There are other advantages to an unlocker however.
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That's what I did when I did my last hard reset last weekend. Now I don't have all the Sprint junk on my phone.
How much extra space can you unlock? (when someone figures out how to unlock it anyway)
It should be a decent amount but I don't load anything on internal memory, I have a 2GB SD card. I'm waiting for a ROM cooker but not until after Sprint releases the EV-DO A upgrade.
Madzilla said:
How much extra space can you unlock? (when someone figures out how to unlock it anyway)
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Madzilla said:
How much extra space can you unlock? (when someone figures out how to unlock it anyway)
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the extended rom is only 8mb in available size anyways. The current items in the extrom take up a around 1.5 mb anyways. It's not a "decent" amount like the previous member stated.....
"The previous poster" thinks that 8MB is a decent amount.
Did anyone get the unlocker for the HTC 6800 Extended ROM.......
The titan.cab wrks great on the unhidder but i still cant modify anything.
I allreyd flashed a lot and did use a soft spl, but I do not find a proper
explanation what it is.
So, i Think it is the Bootloader ?
Can anyone tell me what a soft and a hard SPL is and does ?
For what do I need it ?
I just got my new Touch Pro bought in UK and now it is here in Germany and I want a german ROM on it as soon as it is available.
Please don´t write your standard answers like WIKI and Search - a forum is here for communication and I did not find the proper answers - only too long threats
Greetings
Marcus
69reichertm said:
....So, i Think it is the Bootloader ?...
....Can anyone tell me what a soft and a hard SPL is and does ?....
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Yep your right on that assumption sir The bootloader does alot of the low level handling of the startup process when you power on the device aswell as handling the process when you flash anything to the device...im sure its far more technical than that but thats a starter explanation Essentially you NEED a bootloader for the device to work at all, the case with many of the HTC devices...other devices are different most likely.
Soft SPL: (normally referred to as SSPL) IS loaded into RAM and allows you to perform some of the operations the standard bootloader would do, naturally with some extra functionality (explained later)
HardSPL: Same sort of thing except it is flashed to the device permenantly, so it replaces the HTC bootloader in your devices flash memory.
Both of these tend to safeguard against corrupting the device by having some fancy workarounds and updates to the processes built into the HTC SPL, and the best part is that they allow you to flash ANY ROM you wish therefor allowing us to use Cooked ROMs and various updates like radio updates and etc...frees the device up quite superbly.
69reichertm said:
Please don´t write your standard answers like WIKI and Search - a forum is here for communication and I did not find the proper answers - only too long threads
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Perhaps some mebers feel like adding a general HardSPL page to the wiki for FAQs like this to be answered better than "Search the forum.." since we know its not that good for finding anything.
The Wiki is there for everyone to use and edit so, learn and pass it on
Just a quick question, does any of this interfere with HTC released updated ROMs? Like, when they release a new version on their site, does having HardSPL prevent you from updating?
Hello !
Thank you for your advise.
One more question:
Should I install Hard or Soft SPL ?
I want to try out many ROMS - I think Hard is better, what do you mean ?
Thank you for your help
By the way:
I am a kind of technican - working in IT for nearly 18 years starting fron Novell, Banyan Vines and DOS up to Windows Vista. Also I am a kind of apple Guru, thats why I have certainly an iPhone 2G and 3G.
For business I use HTC devices sind the first MDA. But I lost track a little sind iPhone.
As I am a technic nerc I sstarted with th the Diamond touch again and I liked the device but i swapped this week to the touch pro because of the keyboard, SD Slot an flash light. I love this device.
By the way I also have the new Samsung Omnia 900 here and an unfun Nokia E71 ( I hate this old symbian - looks like last centuty )
So good night and thank you
Marcus
Jiggs1337 said:
Just a quick question, does any of this interfere with HTC released updated ROMs? Like, when they release a new version on their site, does having HardSPL prevent you from updating?
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no, raphael hardspl is unsigned, means any rom is allowed, including HTC official roms.
69reichertm said:
One more question:
Should I install Hard or Soft SPL ?
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you can only install hardspl. the job of soft spl is to install hardspl.
do not ever try any of the following:
- with SSPL, do not flash anything other than the included SPL NBH files. as extra protection the diamond and raphael SSPL's require htchacker sign (except the version jocky edited) and will reject anything that's not an SPL.
- and do not ever try to flash SSPL as an NBH, especially if it is a diamond or raphael.
Im sorry to disagree with your "don't tell me to use the Wiki".
But this is a fairly comprehensive answer to your question: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions? straight out the wiki.
Ta
Dave
When flashing a new ROM, do u lose all ur settings? Like installed programs, and other customizations?
Do you lose these by installing Hard-SPL?
Jiggs1337 said:
When flashing a new ROM, do u lose all ur settings? Like installed programs, and other customizations?
Do you lose these by installing Hard-SPL?
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Yes - Everything Goes.
No.
Ta
Dave
Thanks Dave.
So what do you guys do? Just reinstall everything one by one after you've flashed the new ROM?
Jiggs1337 said:
Thanks Dave.
So what do you guys do? Just reinstall everything one by one after you've flashed the new ROM?
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There are several things.
UC is short for User Customisation; it is in all the Kaiser ROM's nowadays. l3v5y's Raph ROMs also have it.
Links: l3v5y's ROMs & Main UC Thread.
I use UC to install programs, Provisioning XML (as part of UC) to change registry settings, my xcopyce application to copy folders and active sync to copy contacts, calender etc.
Ta
Dave
Ok, thanks. Seems very complicated. Having to write XML files and such.
when running RaphaelHardSPL-Unsigned_190_1_3.exe, it says all information will be lost on my device. Are you sure i dont lose everything when installing Hard-SPL?
Jiggs1337 said:
Ok, thanks. Seems very complicated. Having to write XML files and such.
when running RaphaelHardSPL-Unsigned_190_1_3.exe, it says all information will be lost on my device. Are you sure i dont lose everything when installing Hard-SPL?
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I can't say. I haven't done it, what says you will lose all the info, the RUU or the thread? If it's the RUU, then you should be OK, it's probably the standard message that the proper RUU (used for carrier ROM upgrades) has.
UC is good, takes maybe an hour or two to get setup, but once done, you don't have to do it again and it makes flashing so much fun. I started with just installing CAB's and Copying files, then went onto ProvXML for my registry settings next. The latest version of Schap's Advanced Config (3.0) can export tweaks into a Prov XML file for you. It is worth it if you flash your ROM as often as I do.
Dave
I do love this kind of stuff. Any new gadget i get, i like to do this kinda stuff with it. But its a little overwhelming in this case .
So, using UC, i can set it up so that my settings, such as email accounts, wifi networks + passes, notify settings, etc, as well as all the programs are restored after a ROM flash?
To do this i have to manually go through my registry to find the entries for each of these settings though? No way to just extract my current unflashed devices settings to a file that the new ROMs then use? That would be nice
Jiggs1337 said:
I do love this kind of stuff. Any new gadget i get, i like to do this kinda stuff with it. But its a little overwhelming in this case .
So, using UC, i can set it up so that my settings, such as email accounts, wifi networks + passes, notify settings, etc, as well as all the programs are restored after a ROM flash?
To do this i have to manually go through my registry to find the entries for each of these settings though? No way to just extract my current unflashed devices settings to a file that the new ROMs then use? That would be nice
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We are getting a little off topic of the OP now but...
Any tweaks done with schaps Advanced Config can be easiler exported using a "export" menu option.
If you export your registry after flashing, and again after you have all your settings setup right, you can Diff then using a Diff Program and copy the changes into your ProvXML file. Most PPC Regedit programs can export.
Any more on UC, I'd have a read of the UC thread and ask any questions in there. Myself and l3v5y keep and eye on it most of the time and should be able to help fairly quickly.
Ta
Dave
Hello
So my Threat became quite interesting.
One last question foe me.
What File should I download to HARD SPL my Touch Pro.
Is there a file which includes all ? I mean I do not have to modify files inside the cabinet or so ?
Is there a fast link ?
Thank you for all the help - now lets start using the Touch - weekend is near
69reichertm said:
Hello
So my Threat became quite interesting.
One last question foe me.
What File should I download to HARD SPL my Touch Pro.
Is there a file which includes all ? I mean I do not have to modify files inside the cabinet or so ?
Is there a fast link ?
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lol, sure, there is only one package, and you simply click the EXE and it goes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410150
Is it possible to use those backup softwares? Like Spb Backup for example that say "ROM Upgrade Mode — now it's possible to restore data after the ROM upgrade"? Instead of UC and such?
there is a IPL initial program loader (sort of bios)
a SPL secondary program loader (kinda like the ntloader)
and there is a service mode (3 color screen) (the flashprog)
then we have a RUU remote unit upgrader
mft masterfile table
mbr master boot record
and some other shizzle
the device switches the output of the internal usb when device is in 3 colorscreen to a service mode which allows it to overwrite the internal flashdrive .. pretty neat as what it actually does is switching to an internal flashprogrammer which programs the internal flashdrive. this is the same process as is used for your pc at home to update the bios.
the CID celloperator identification code (used for blocking certain rom upgrades)
enjoy..
Soft SPL quesiton
I have a SPV M700 and it's unlocked. I want to install Schaps rom. I have the folowing SPL version 1.07.000. I have't managed to install hard spl. Can I use soft spl to flash it? Can I permanently brake it?