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hey everyone.. just signed up and wanted to say hi.
i just ordered my new MDA, and should be here in a few days! ive had the SK3 for a month after upgrading from the SK2, and its just not what it used to be. Im looking for something with way more functionality other than being cool. Not to mention a more mature phone.
anyway, i just wanted to see if you guys could help me. seeing as how i dont have the phone yet, i wanted to read as much as i can about hacking it up. im aware that the stock phone (USA Tmobile MDA) rom isnt very well, so i need some pointers on where to start...
ive tried searching already, but theres only so many "newbie" threads i can sift through... basically can someone point me into the right direction of everything i need to get started? it would be most appreciated! i guess which rom, how to update, which apps, where to go... lol, basically everything!
ill obvisouly be reading until the day the phone comes (and charged for 12 hours) so i should be more knowledgeable by the time the phone arrives.. but i really appreiciate any help!
thanks!
Maybe you just should to post which MDA you have orderd. Since the good old MDA I / Wallaby isn´t sold anymore, that´s the wrong part of the forum here....
You should take a look at the right part of the forum.
Stefan
LOL..
im such an idiot. thats what i get for posting at 2am... sorry! i found out it was the HTC Wizard!
I've got an Orange M3100 and i'm thinking of upgrading it to WM6 but I want to ask a question.
Is it really worth it?
Please answer truthfully, those of you that have done it what are the real pro's of do it.
If you can follow directions in the Wiki and are not totally retarded you will be fine upgrading to WM 6. I'm using the Cingular build here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308378
It works flawlessly. I haven' thad any issue and battery life has been excellent.
Do you need WM6? Nope.
Is it nice? Yes
Reason enough for me are the bug fixes over WM5 and HTM email support in Poutlook. That alone is enough of a reason for me.
Enjoy.
Put me down as a "YES"
Although I agree that WM6 isn't something worth upgrading for on it's own, I have found something that is. On my original WM5 T-Mobile ROM I was resetting the phone at least once a day because of freezes. Since the second generation WM6 ROM here, I've only ever had one freeze - and that was when I was being frankly stupid with about 20 installs in one go!
Is it worth upgrading for WM6? Maybe
Is it worth upgrading to a rock solid, reliable phone? Definitely!
another pointless thread... guys why dont you read the wiki??? or use the search function...
and if you dont like WM6 you can always revert back... jesus mate... try something for yourself for once...
For the shear use of a "phone", upgrading isn't necessary or even worth it...if ya just care about using the phone for calling WM5 is fine. However, if you're like me and want to tweak your phone, then there's a ton of pros for upgrading to WM6. Speed for one, more memory, better tweaks than the stock ROM, and a more stable OS IMHO. I like being apart of a small, but growing percentage of people that take the risk to have the latest ROM released and different than your average Joe with the same phone. People that just make and take calls are boring! Those of us that can turn a cam flash into a flashlight, or integrate a Treo born thread app on a WM6 platform like to be different! I like the risk when flashing, but then again I jumped outta planes and fought in Iraq twice, so my mentality is different than "average".
Good luck in your decision! -fin
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another pointless thread... guys why dont you read the wiki??? or use the search function...
and if you dont like WM6 you can always revert back... jesus mate... try something for yourself for once...
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Always one prick about. I have read the wiki and and know what i'm doing I've been around here for long enough. Read the original post. I'm asking if its really worth it, i'm always messing around with my phone and i'm actually quite happy with the latest ROM from orange. I asking for people personal opinions on the matter.
If you aint got anything constructive to say get the fukk out of here [email protected]
Hi Gurus
Is it safer to apply HardSPL first then SIM unlock or the other way round.
Maybe it doesnt matter.
Whats your view ?
Asif
I did sim unlock first. then I apply hardspl. now flashing different roms. don't know exactly how the process suppose to be but that's what I did and my phone is working like a champ
I did hard spl, then Sim unlocked, not sure if it matters. I had the same query when I unlocked, but wondered if I missed something in the WIKI, so didn't ask due to a good flaming (if you aint done your research you can get crusified in here). Your braver than me lol
@AsifM3100: U need to do the CID/SIM update first; it will load it's own spl and radio. When U have completed the process, then U should install the hardspl before flashing your own radio and or rom.
Sotian
You post made me laugh. However I have made the same observation but couldnt find the answer in the wiki or other posts. Its one of the reasons why I have put off unlocking and flashing for such a long time. So many people who you feel sorry for, cos they have bricked their phones and who are panicking, just get told to do the research. When you are in that state the last thing you need is research. Its such a contrast to the SAP developer network site that I use regularly where evryone is so keen to help (me included).
Having said that its still the best site for us Hermese peeps. I would be in no state to unlock if it wasnt for this site. I just hope nothing goes wrong.
Regards
Asif
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Sotian
Its such a contrast to the SAP developer network site that I use regularly where evryone is so keen to help (me included).
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3 thoughts on this:
1. It is scary when the Germans are nicer than us
2. You gotta feel sorry for anyone hanging around in an SAP developer network
3. We aren't so bad when people have done research. It is the "HELP PLZ!!!!! - JUST GOT MY HERMES THIS MORNING AND BRICKED IT!!!!" posts that get people upset. Or the "CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF THERE IS A WM6 ROM AVAILABLE FOR THE 8525 BY CINGULAR????" People who do their research and ask don't get crucified too badly - usually.
Oh, and regarding the question - doesn't really matter, since (as galaxys noted) the unlocker uses it's own SPL called SSPL and overrides whatever SPL you have loaded. However, it is good practice to throw HardSPL on their as the first step, since it protects the Hermes from having it's bootloader borked - and that is a good thing!
Hi todd_gj
There are not that many Germans on the SAP dewv Networks. Its mainly asian probably in Southern India. Most of the software is now developed out there, especially sisnce it costs $10 an hour. I bet most WM5/6 is churned out over there.
But I do take your point. You need to do your reading, but i have found a little extra help goes a long way to making sense of it all.
Regards
Asif
I have an AT&T 8525 arriving tomorrow and I'm so excited by the possibilities... but at the same time I'm just by all the different jargon and things that everyone seems to know about. I'm coming from a Blackjack which I've hacked the crap out of but this just seems so much more complicated. Anyway, hello, if you have any suggestions for someone who has never had an HTC before, please post them up for me, because I really just don't know where to start.
Thanks!
Start here, read and learn
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
welcome to the club, please read all the Sticky topics on the main page of HERMES Upgrading ect...
if you still have any questions or concerns then post your next question...
happy reading
Oh god... come in sucker.
First of all, before you even start using your phone, SIM unlock it, super CID it, install Bootloader 1.11 but not 1.04 unless you have Olipro 1.02b or you have acces to KITL, then flash every ROM you can find until sleep deprivation affects your marriage your job and you forget the name of your eldest child.
Then after two months of owning a phone that almost never is in a working state, you'll get it stuck in bootloader mode just after you suffered your first white screen of death, and in desperation you will call your carrier with a string of lies and send it back for a replacement.
Then you start the whole process again...
Have fun... not.
esseff said:
Oh god... come in sucker.
First of all, before you even start using your phone, SIM unlock it, super CID it, install Bootloader 1.11 but not 1.04 unless you have Olipro 1.02b or you have acces to KITL, then flash every ROM you can find until sleep deprivation affects your marriage your job and you forget the name of your eldest child.
Then after two months of owning a phone that almost never is in a working state, you'll get it stuck in bootloader mode just after you suffered your first white screen of death, and in desperation you will call your carrier with a string of lies and send it back for a replacement.
Then you start the whole process again...
Have fun... not.
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LOL - that is funny, but a little pessimistic.
If you have hacked your Blackjack to shreads, you will have no problem.
Start with MrVanx Upgrade Guides to see the process.
Then, once you have a feel for the bits and pieces of the process, read through the wiki and forums and you will be able to sort through the threds of relavence. It is really not THAT hard once you have done a little homework.
Most important thing - the first thing you should do is upgrade the SPL to Olipro's HardSPLv7 - do that first - that way you can recover from just about anything.
Rest assured, if you have a little experience, educate yourself and follow the guides to get started, your device will work 99% of the time. Don't fret.
I am also one of those new users and my 8525 is coming in a few days but i'm a bit technical about computers so i tend to grab it quickly, i DON'T want to play around with my mobile, i just want to unlock it, then put it to some good windows mobile 6, and then forget about it till windows mobile 7 comes, does that mean i use pof's sim unlocker v3a to unlock my phone...
alternative is Hard-SPL, if thati have seen that making your phone supercid seems dangerous and the safer s true i simply apply hard-spl on my phone? (though i don't even know what it does if its a utility or a piece of code integrated into your phone or a custom bootloader ), after applying hardspl, i simply follow the legitimate official instructions to install TyTN Mobile 6 official rom as if my 8525 was a HTC TyTN?
I just want my final goal to be Mobile 6.0 Unlocked in the safest go...
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I am also one of those new users and my 8525 is coming in a few days but i'm a bit technical about computers so i tend to grab it quickly, i DON'T want to play around with my mobile, i just want to unlock it, then put it to some good windows mobile 6, and then forget about it till windows mobile 7 comes, does that mean i use pof's sim unlocker v3a to unlock my phone...
alternative is Hard-SPL, if thati have seen that making your phone supercid seems dangerous and the safer s true i simply apply hard-spl on my phone? (though i don't even know what it does if its a utility or a piece of code integrated into your phone or a custom bootloader ), after applying hardspl, i simply follow the legitimate official instructions to install TyTN Mobile 6 official rom as if my 8525 was a HTC TyTN?
I just want my final goal to be Mobile 6.0 Unlocked in the safest go...
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How do you know that WM5 isn't good enough for you? If the only thing you want on your phone is WM6, why didn't you buy one with this pre-installed? Maybe you should spend some more time reading before you get, and break your new toy - all the best links are already posted above and if you'd read them you wouldn't be posting these questions.
todd_jg said:
LOL - that is funny, but a little pessimistic.
If you have hacked your Blackjack to shreads, you will have no problem.
Start with MrVanx Upgrade Guides to see the process.
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Pessimistic?
That link lists no fewer than five operating systems, for one device, all WM6!!!
Which one works??? This is ridiculous!
This is worse than linux!
...head...spinning...
Thanks for the advice to everyone who gave it... I got my Hermes at 1 this afternoon and it's been sitting on my desk, charging and keeping me from really getting any work done all afternoon. I'm going to assume that all the acronyms y'all are throwing at me will be explained in the wikis...
Don't freak them out guys , get it unlock it install official go to bed happy, if you want to go crazy over installing different versions of roms all the time do so but check the safety steps first (many guides here, Mr. Vanx's is a great place to start) mind you there is no 100% safe option and most of the roms are more or less the same, you can always add cab files of things you want, it's better to stick to a clean rom. If you play with it there might be a chance you screw it... badly (even if you know what you're doing)
Me I just updated the official WM6 (which was released sooooo long later) thankfully in your case you don't have to wait.
Either way congrads on the phone and enjoy it, some small issues aside you have a great piece of hardware there.
CSMR said:
Pessimistic?
That link lists no fewer than five operating systems, for one device, all WM6!!!
Which one works??? This is ridiculous!
This is worse than linux!
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Nothing is worse than Linux!!!!!
d.butters said:
I have an AT&T 8525 arriving tomorrow and I'm so excited by the possibilities... but at the same time I'm just by all the different jargon and things that everyone seems to know about. I'm coming from a Blackjack which I've hacked the crap out of but this just seems so much more complicated. Anyway, hello, if you have any suggestions for someone who has never had an HTC before, please post them up for me, because I really just don't know where to start.
Thanks!
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welcome... i was like you for a while... i'm a new hermes 8525 owner too... read and learn before you really dive in... understand the terminology and jargon for a while... get used to using your phone in stock mode for a while before moving forward... being familiar with it is important... then the first thing you should install when you decide to is hardspl... good luck...
thanks again to everyone! I have to say that the MrVanx Upgrade Guides link was the best, most helpful thing anyone could have pointed me at - step-by-step instructions to flash my hermes with a new ROM. It was great. The forums also yielded CABs and all sorts of other helpful links that have set me up with a near - perfect phone.
Of course, now I'm bored. what's the next step? 'cooking' my own ROMs? where do I start with that? what are 'kitchens'? I know there's lots out there. thanks again for the help y'all have given!!!
esseff said:
Nothing is worse than Linux!!!!!
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hey now hey now, that's a bit mean. Linux does after all give you the whole house, while Microsoft only gives you the Windows
ok, maybe i'm just causing a bit of trouble hehe... just ignore me hehehe
d.butters said:
thanks again to everyone! I have to say that the MrVanx Upgrade Guides link was the best, most helpful thing anyone could have pointed me at - step-by-step instructions to flash my hermes with a new ROM. It was great. The forums also yielded CABs and all sorts of other helpful links that have set me up with a near - perfect phone.
Of course, now I'm bored. what's the next step? 'cooking' my own ROMs? where do I start with that? what are 'kitchens'? I know there's lots out there. thanks again for the help y'all have given!!!
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So, I can't read your nick without thinking of the Lethal Weapon movie with Chris Rock. He was detective Butters or something. Anywa, I digress...
I think your next logical step is one of two paths:
1. Cooking and coding - either for yourself or for a new release, if you come up with something you think is different or cool for the community - home cooked customization apps are quite popular - settings backup/recover solutions too - fewer options out there for that right now
or
2. Documenting - maybe something you could work with MrVanx on if you want to pick up an area that is not well documented adn try to document it for folks
For cooking, start HERE IN THE WIKI and see what you can figure out. I am not sure if all the latest kitchen releases are in here, but it is a good start. Follow the links then do some additional searches - lot's of cool stuff... enjoy...
i was experimenting on my htc touch pro and I flashed a program called diamond unlocker. I think it might be another name for athena unlocker. Now phone wouldn't even power up. freaking out big time. please help!!
jimmymob said:
i was experimenting on my htc touch pro and I flashed a program called diamond unlocker. I think it might be another name for athena unlocker. Now phone wouldn't even power up. freaking out big time. please help!!
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Sounds like you have bricked your phone big time.
Where on your Raphael does it say Diamond or Athena, all unlockers are device specific.
Can you enter the bootloader at all?
Ta
Dave
NO i can't enter bootloader. I can't even power up. I was testing unlocker programs and I found a program called "diamond unlocker". I thought I give it a shot and next thing you know the phone blanks out. Hard-reset doesn't work because I can't even power up.
I knew this thing cooking thing was playing with fire. What should I do now?? Stressing out big time.
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NO i can't enter bootloader. I can't even power up. I was testing unlocker programs and I found a program called "diamond unlocker". I thought I give it a shot and next thing you know the phone blanks out. Hard-reset doesn't work because I can't even power up.
I knew this thing cooking thing was playing with fire. What should I do now?? Stressing out big time.
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Hmm ok i will sidestep the "what were you thinking flashing a diamond unlocker to your raphael when your device is NOT a diamond" lecture and simply state that you have most likely messed up your device totally...unless there is something olipro/cmonex can do to help you you have a paperweight.
Sorry sir.
Would the phone be covered by warranty? I can't power it up, so i assume the techies would just replace the whole phone. Has anyone return a brick phone to technicans and what was the outcome?
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Hmm ok i will sidestep the "what were you thinking flashing a diamond unlocker to your raphael when your device is NOT a diamond" lecture and simply state that you have most likely messed up your device totally...unless there is something olipro/cmonex can do to help you you have a paperweight.
Sorry sir.
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Maybe, ViperBJK might also be able to help.
You could try PM'ing one of those three, if they can't fix it then your pretty much done for.
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Dave
jimmymob said:
i was experimenting on my htc touch pro and I flashed a program called diamond unlocker. I think it might be another name for athena unlocker. Now phone wouldn't even power up. freaking out big time. please help!!
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Let met guess,you downloaded that on a torrent site,if you donated 15 euro to olipro you did not have this problem you have now.
tinuz97 said:
Let met guess,you downloaded that on a torrent site,if you donated 15 euro to olipro you did not have this problem you have now.
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If that is the case I wouldn't hold out for help from Olipro or cmonex.
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Dave
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Would the phone be covered by warranty? I can't power it up, so i assume the techies would just replace the whole phone. Has anyone return a brick phone to technicans and what was the outcome?
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Its been stated here so many times, read the instructions before you flash/do anything...
Warranty the device, maybe they dont realize what you did...
You can also admit that you didnt donate for the unlocker...
My phone was already unlocked before I install the offending program. And No I didn't download it from a torrent site or illegal warez site.
How did you get it then?
hmmmm . . . Did you try the most stupid and simple stuff, like taking the battery out for a couple of hours, taking the sim and SD card if any, etc...
I will be joining Fuze group today...
Maybe I can offer a little help, I don't know the Fuze yet, won't have one for a few hours, but I had some great success unbricking hundreds of Tilts & this led to a cooperative project ending with Jocky putting everything learned into FrankenKaiser.
I will take a look at the firmware when I get my device, after much research of course, & let you know what I think. It may be a tedious project though as it might require a redio hack to allow DL mode to be entered from OEMSBL.
Oli, Viper & Jockey are all great resources, but they get a lot of PM's so it may take some time. Once I get a feeling for it & you answer a few questions for me, I can then go to them with more than just symptoms.
Be patient & we'll get it working as we've done for hundreds of Kaiser owners.
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I will be joining the Fuze group today.
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Well that's just great. There goes the neigborhood.
GSLEON3 said:
Maybe I can offer a little help, I don't know the Fuze yet, won't have one for a few hours, but I had some great success unbricking hundreds of Tilts & this led to a cooperative project ending with Jocky putting everything learned into FrankenKaiser.
I will take a look at the firmware when I get my device, after much research of course, & let you know what I think. It may be a tedious project though as it might require a redio hack to allow DL mode to be entered from OEMSBL.
Oli, Viper & Jockey are all great resources, but they get a lot of PM's so it may take some time. Once I get a feeling for it & you answer a few questions for me, I can then go to them with more than just symptoms.
Be patient & we'll get it working as we've done for hundreds of Kaiser owners.
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unfortunately there is no access to download mode on diamond and raphael and any newer devices.
the USB interface is simply disabled, we don't know how to get around that - yet.
the other thing is, on new radios (HD, xperia, G1, etc...), the radio is locked for flashing. kaiser radio wasn't supposed to allow flashing unsigned code either, just HTC left a nice bug in the rsa check.
trust me the kaiser was heaven compared to the days now... but we like challenge don't we
so this device is a brick - he can RMA it or jtag it.
Wow, I am shocked. I've never heard a response quite like that from the esteemed cmonex That means if it is even possible, then it's burried & will take some time to finess out.
I'll tell you one thing though buddy, if its under the mfg warrentee then that's gonna be your fastest way. I know that Cmonex & Oli have spent some time poking around this area for sure, so if she says there's no way & says to RMA it, well that means we're still a good way off from finding the doorway into dload mode.
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My phone was already unlocked before I install the offending program. And No I didn't download it from a torrent site or illegal warez site.
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probably you got it from ppcgeeks site eh? the instructions says it's only for cdma :/
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Wow, I am shocked. I've never heard a response quite like that from the esteemed cmonex That means if it is even possible, then it's burried & will take some time to finess out.
I'll tell you one thing though buddy, if its under the mfg warrentee then that's gonna be your fastest way. I know that Cmonex & Oli have spent some time poking around this area for sure, so if she says there's no way & says to RMA it, well that means we're still a good way off from finding the doorway into dload mode.
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yes this will be a big challenge is what i meant above BTW it would be cool to work together =) have you got your Fuze yet?
Jup, this is also my answer :
RMA or Jtag. No other way.
Cya,
Viper BJK
viperbjk said:
Jup, this is also my answer :
RMA or Jtag. No other way.
Cya,
Viper BJK
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No you forgot 1,still the option of trashcan