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I've been working with a great group of developers over at PPC-geeks.com on the Titan bluetooth problems, and I'm proud to say that our efforts have been fruitful!
The History:
In case you didn't know, the Titan has had horrible official Bluetooth support, and even the custom roms only get it "partway" there.
HTC's latest CDMA device, the Touch, uses roughly the same hardware under the hood as the Titan, however their bluetooth worked flawlessly. So, clearly the hardware is capable, its a matter of running the proper software!
After many attempts at porting the Vogue (htc touch) Bluetooth drivers into any number and combination of titan roms, it was concluded that it is NOT the answer (sorry custel).
This was the first obvious approach, however every attempt had some problem or bug, or sometimes wouldn't even boot up!
So we took another approach...
The Solution:
Update the OS, but keep the drivers from an earlier build that had less new "issues" with BT. The 2.09 rom from sprint had stable bluetooth, however it had poor quality over the headset/handsfree profile. This was apparently NOT an issue with the drivers as much as it was an issue with how the OS handles them!
Replacing the OS with a ported AKU .7 from a Universal, and basing the rest of the rom on 2.09, we have what appears to be a release with stable, decent quality bluetooth that works as it should have out of the box!
More testing is needed, but it seems like the best build so far, and should be a strong candidate as a base rom for future customs.
What this fixes:
-No more poor BT quality
-No more random BT shutoffs
-No more system freezes when coming out of standby due to BT stack left on and disconnected
-No more D-pad lock issues
-Generally stable Bluetooth performance that works AS EXPECTED.
Known issues:
-Alarm Bug, which was and still is a part of 2.09
However, we're working on a fix for this.
Find it here:
ftp://ppcgeeks:[email protected]/Titan/Users/sfaure03/ithinkwegotsit.rar
(as of this writing, the ppcgeeks ftp and webserver have been hit pretty hard, and are timing out an awful lot, so if it doesn't work, try again later. Perhaps someone would like to mirror it somewhere?)
Special thanks to all who contributed to this effort, particularly PPC-geeks users Sfaure03, DogGuy, no2chem, jtrag, and all the others who tested, theorized, and gave sage advice.
Personal thanks to ImCoKeMaN, for explaining how things work and having the patience to answer bizzare questions from the rest of the group.
edit: whoops nevermind
I'm not expereinced enough in using this type of file - can you please tell me what is the procedure to install a .rar file into the phone.
its an .nbh file, rar is the compression method. Its like .zip, only you need winrar (or something compatible) to uncompress it.
there's a tutorial on ppc-geeks (which I should really post here as well) about how to unlock and flash custom firmwares on the titan.
you guys rock!
So installed this ROM a couple hours ago. So far the phone's working fine. Tested BT in my RAV4. Wife says it's much improved -- previously if I called from the carphone she'd known instantly and ask me to switch it off. Now she's says it's fine. (High praise indeed. )
So bottom line: quality issues appear much improved. Major kudos!
Update: maybe I was slightly hasty. So the phone sits in my pocket for a few hours. I press the power button to bring it out of sleep. Password screen takes 15 seconds to come up. Enter the password, Today screen takes 30 seconds. Click on the Voicemail link, get a message that the phone cannot make the call. (low RAM?) Nothing else (afaik) except SPB Mobile Shell running at the time.
Boom, soft reset. Is it the phone? Is it the ROM? Is it me?
Mirror at: http://rapidshare.com/files/71094429/ithinkwegotsit.rar.html
The ROM finally makes my BT usable, but is still quite choppy and compressed. Unfortunately not a true fix for my device.
But, kudos to the developers for getting it to be usable! Thanks!!! You clearly beat Sprint/HTC!
However, my RAZR2 and Touch still have much better BT, so will keep using them at least for awhile.
Will see if the 'official' Sprint ROM (1) actually happens, (2) truly fixes the problem. If not, then I'll use my Touch until the Treo 800w or Titan 2.0 come out and likely swap my Titan at that point.
Unfortunately, even if Sprint fixes BT, Titan 1.0 will never have adequate memory for WM6. Sadly, the lack of memory is an unfixable product design deficiency.
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Unfortunately, even if Sprint fixes BT, Titan 1.0 will never have adequate memory for WM6. Sadly, the lack of memory is an unfixable product design deficiency.
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Heh, I love it how everyone keeps badgering that.
Look, I don't want to take my thread off-course, but when WM6 was released, ALL DEVICES HAD ONLY 64MB!
It wasn't until recently that we really started to see 128mb become more standard. The Touch (vogue) is actually the first 128mb WM6 device I've ever put my hands on, and I've had WM6 running flawlessly on the last 5 or so devices I've owned.
So, don't tell me that this is a major unfixable product design deficiency. It'd be nice to have more memory so you can leave more stuff open, but if you're not new to this and know what you're doing, its perfectly acceptable.
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Dishe said:
Heh, I love it how everyone keeps badgering that.
Look, I don't want to take my thread off-course, but when WM6 was released, ALL DEVICES HAD ONLY 64MB!
It wasn't until recently that we really started to see 128mb become more standard. The Touch (vogue) is actually the first 128mb WM6 device I've ever put my hands on, and I've had WM6 running flawlessly on the last 5 or so devices I've owned.
So, don't tell me that this is a major unfixable product design deficiency. It'd be nice to have more memory so you can leave more stuff open, but if you're not new to this and know what you're doing, its perfectly acceptable.
::end rant::
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I have to agree here - the Cingular 8525 runs quite well with only 64MB of RAM (Other at work run it). My Titan runs quite well with only 64MB of RAM - HTC Home from the touch on the other hand makes it run like a three legged dog. Without the 3rd party plugins it zooms along quite well even with several apps running.
Dishe said:
Heh, I love it how everyone keeps badgering that.
Look, I don't want to take my thread off-course, but when WM6 was released, ALL DEVICES HAD ONLY 64MB!
It wasn't until recently that we really started to see 128mb become more standard. The Touch (vogue) is actually the first 128mb WM6 device I've ever put my hands on, and I've had WM6 running flawlessly on the last 5 or so devices I've owned.
So, don't tell me that this is a major unfixable product design deficiency. It'd be nice to have more memory so you can leave more stuff open, but if you're not new to this and know what you're doing, its perfectly acceptable.
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OK - fair enough, my memory comment WAS off topic! BTW you introduced the word "major"; I never said it was major - just unfixable. And, yes, you're right - if you want to manually do the OS's job for it, there is an acceptable workaround.
Interesting, though, that you responded only to that one sentence out of five in my post, not the other four which stated that BT quality is poor/mediocre on my device (which is an improvement from the prior unlistenable state).
Anyway - what kind of success rate are you seeing from various forums with this ROM? I still suspect the problem is partially HW, and that BT on some devices (mine probably one of them) may be unfixable.
Dishe said:
After many attempts at porting the Vogue (htc touch) Bluetooth drivers into any number and combination of titan roms, it was concluded that it is NOT the answer (sorry custel).
This was the first obvious approach, however every attempt had some problem or bug, or sometimes wouldn't even boot up!
So we took another approach...
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Why call out another developer? I fail to see how it was necessary. I'm assuming you have no life, and make roms for a living? I'll download whatever works; but because of your approach to criticize other people who try (which is EXACTLY what you do) to make something work, makes me not want to download your rom.
dishe is an such arrogant SOB, who think he's all that because he's creating ROM...well props to you that you do create rom...but its just people opinion/wish about having more ram (which is UNFIXABLE! on mogul)...you don't have to bash them for it...would u preferred an old style laptop/computer from the 2000's or newer/faster in 07's. However, you might be able to upgrade their RAM through hardware...but does HTC have such RAM upgrade for mogul!? anyways...i'm not hating on your work at all...but i just get disgusted when you go and ranted on someone post (n it was a valid post.)
ps. If you want to brag, make something that's useful w/o any glitches. Success at that then brag all you want, but at this moment you still using the public to test whatever ya doing. So stop tripping home boy.
Wow, I've heard of people venting on forums, but this is rediculous. Did you all have really bad days or something?
Look, there's a lot going on that doesn't take place on this forum. I used to be a big XDA-dev's fan, but unfortunatley I've found that there just isn't enough research and development for our particular device going on here, so I started broadening my horizons.
Maybe I didn't make it clear in the first post, but I didn't make this rom.
At least, not by myself. I worked with a team of people from other boards and we formed a group that has been testing theories and building different rom combinations to try and come up with the best solution possible currently. We've made some amazing progress, and the nostalgic part of me wanted to come back to XDA and not leave you guys in the dark.
We've noticed Custel doing similar things on XDA, and we had already tried a lot of what he was doing. We found that the vogue BT didn't play nice with the rest of the Titan rom components in many situations, yet Custel kept trying. I beleive that some of the devs in our group tried to contact him, possibly even get him involved, share what we've learned so far (collaborative efforts are the best way to go). I don't know exactly what happened after that, and I didn't ask because its not my business. I mentioned him because he's still trying something, where we've had a bit of success. Not that its a race, but it would appear that we got there first using another method. I'm sorry that you read that as a "flame" on his part, I didn't mean to disrespect. Just that we we're doing is not what he's doing, and we've tried that route already.
Some of the others in the group of devs warned me not to go posting here. Thought maybe there would be too much animosity. I decided on my own to bring the information here because XDA was always a great source of info in the past, and there's no reason you guys should be left out. Are you trying to make me regret it, as if I'm wasting my time here?
Lazy and cool6324, I'm not forcing you to try this rom. I'm also not "bragging" about what was created. I'm filling you guys in. If you don't want it, that's fine. I won't bother updating.
hey DISHE
bro u dont even owe these guys an explanation, they contribute nothing and take everything. they dont understand whats involved and quick to criticize anything they dont agree with.
it appears to me that they think they are all that and a bag of chips/ but if the DEVs of these fixes decided not to share, i bet they would keep there mouth shut real quick/
bottom line bro, dont bother posting any more responses to these idiots / look at the end of the "
Hard-SPL - or how to not brick your PDA ever again" post and u will see what these guys are like on this forum, calling each other names and etc just like they r doing now.
i c u at ppcgeeks
Dishe said:
Wow, I've heard of people venting on forums, but this is rediculous. Did you all have really bad days or something?
Look, there's a lot going on that doesn't take place on this forum. I used to be a big XDA-dev's fan, but unfortunatley I've found that there just isn't enough research and development for our particular device going on here, so I started broadening my horizons.
Maybe I didn't make it clear in the first post, but I didn't make this rom.
At least, not by myself. I worked with a team of people from other boards and we formed a group that has been testing theories and building different rom combinations to try and come up with the best solution possible currently. We've made some amazing progress, and the nostalgic part of me wanted to come back to XDA and not leave you guys in the dark.
We've noticed Custel doing similar things on XDA, and we had already tried a lot of what he was doing. We found that the vogue BT didn't play nice with the rest of the Titan rom components in many situations, yet Custel kept trying. I beleive that some of the devs in our group tried to contact him, possibly even get him involved, share what we've learned so far (collaborative efforts are the best way to go). I don't know exactly what happened after that, and I didn't ask because its not my business. I mentioned him because he's still trying something, where we've had a bit of success. Not that its a race, but it would appear that we got there first using another method. I'm sorry that you read that as a "flame" on his part, I didn't mean to disrespect. Just that we we're doing is not what he's doing, and we've tried that route already.
Some of the others in the group of devs warned me not to go posting here. Thought maybe there would be too much animosity. I decided on my own to bring the information here because XDA was always a great source of info in the past, and there's no reason you guys should be left out. Are you trying to make me regret it, as if I'm wasting my time here?
Lazy and cool6324, I'm not forcing you to try this rom. I'm also not "bragging" about what was created. I'm filling you guys in. If you don't want it, that's fine. I won't bother updating.
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Where was I supposedly contacted?
dishe don't even trip! The folks *****ing are the ones using the Roms also. Take their comments with a grain of salt....F**K EM!!!! Don't waste your time on these idiots. Others apperciate the work you do to make our Moguls useful.
to step: shut ur ass kissing d!ck sucking ***** depriving n a **** hole that you called a mouth! I dont even use BT, yeah its nice to have clean/custom rom to rig my phone. But a stock is fine with me. Just tired of people kissing dev's asses geeze....get them stick out of ur ass....
ps. i never did dish at dishe's rom nor either ***** at it....it was his tactics of bashing on people posts...so get it right...
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to step: shut ur ass kissing d!ck sucking ***** depriving n a **** hole that you called a mouth! I dont even use BT, yeah its nice to have clean/custom rom to rig my phone. But a stock is fine with me. Just tired of people kissing dev's asses geeze....get them stick out of ur ass....
ps. i never did dish at dishe's rom nor either ***** at it....it was his tactics of bashing on people posts...so get it right...
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LMAO...such childish folks here....I'm gonna just LMAO!! at u...so sad
Lazee,
its not about kissing ass. Its about appreciation for what these guys do (AND FOR FREE they do it!!!!) they rarely ask anything of the rest of us, if anything at all. Because of the fact that they do give up alot of free time, which they could be doing something else, to help out alot people they dont even know, i have a certain amount of respect for that alone, regardless if they might seem arrogant. the truth is that they really do care about people or they wouldnt even share what they do! theres no law that says that they have to share anything with us/ sometimes its easy for us to forget this and take it all for granit/ lets just call a truce and stop with the name callin and etc and try to maintain a respectible forum ok.
PEACE!!! come on guys we are all in this together
Oh and by the way Custel, u rock bro, do what it is u do and dont stop!! dishe luvs ya nothing personal, i dont want to speak for him but i get the feeling that things might have came out wrong when he was responding to the "lazee's post and was just a lil fluddered.
HTC and/or Telus finally releases an update to the P4000.
http://www.htc.com/us/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=77&cat=2&dl_id=71
Not as new some of the kitchens here, but may be worth a try.
ROM version: 3.54.661.1
ROM date: 06/25/08
Radio version: 3.42.40
As per HTC's site:
Adds EVDO Rev. A capability for faster download and upload speeds*
Upgrades to the latest Windows Mobile 6.1 operating system
Add support for location based services.
Add support for TELUS Mobile e-mail
Adds the Pocket Express application
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If that's a screenshot of your phone, I highly suggest you take it down and remove your ESN from it.
gc14 said:
If that's a screenshot of your phone, I highly suggest you take it down and remove your ESN from it.
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No no, not my phone! Thats the picture they have on HTC's site.
Thanks for the warning though!
Adds the Pocket Express application
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Oh ok good.
I'm not on Telus, but what is Pocket Express?
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Oh ok good.
I'm not on Telus, but what is Pocket Express?
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No idea. Once I flash it, I'll let ya know.
still no GPS??
without it why would I risk relocking my phone to install this...
still no GPS??
without it why would I risk relocking my phone to install this...
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Looks like it includes GPS to me...
Add support for location based services.
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I'm not on Telus, but what is Pocket Express?
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November 27, 2007
TELUS adds Handmark Pocket Express to New Smartphones
--Leading mobile media company delivers desktop mobile content store in addition to the latest Travel edition of the Pocket Express® News and Information service --
KANSAS CITY, Mo. and VANCOUVER, B.C. — Handmark®, a global leader in mobile media, and the Canadian telecommunications company TELUS announced today an agreement to bring Handmark powered services to TELUS clients. Handmark is providing an updated version of its popular Pocket Express application on TELUS smartphones that features travel services tailored for the mobile professional along with the ability to download content download digital content including applications, games and ringtones directly on their smartphone.
Pocket Express offers a comprehensive suite of breaking news, sports, weather and stock updates, residential and business directory searches and movie times. Pocket Express on TELUS smartphones delivers a powerful collection of travel services with airline schedules and flight status updates from the Official Airlines Guide (OAG® ) including details on more than 75,000 daily departures from more than 3,500 airports around the world.
In addition to providing TELUS with the award-winning Pocket Express service, Handmark is also powering a new desktop Web store at telusmobility.com/mobileapps where TELUS customers can discover and purchase top quality applications, games, and content for their smartphone.
Most new TELUS smartphones will come preloaded with Pocket Express. As well, existing clients can download the Pocket Express application at telusmobility.com/mobileapps.
"Treo, BlackBerry, and other smartphone customers on the TELUS network now have instant, and most importantly, easy to use access to essential information on the go through Pocket Express," said Paul Reddick, Handmark CEO.
Handmark also created an integrated billing system that makes it easy for TELUS customers to purchase content for their smartphone. Any purchase a customer makes within the Pocket Express store on their device or through the Web store will seamlessly show up on their monthly TELUS bill.
“It is our passion and our purpose to present our clients with the best products and services on the market to create the best mobile experience possible,” said David Neale, TELUS senior vice-president of Products and Services. “Handmark has a proven track record of delivering excellent mobile media, including Pocket Express, and we are confident that our customers will be pleased with the outcomes of this partnership.”
For more information about the new Pocket Express Travel Edition, visit www.pocketexpress.com or check out the TELUS store at www.telusmobility.com/mobileapps.
Has anyone installed this yet? Can we confirm GPS works with it?
I would'nt mind going back to an offical release, as GPS is the only reason I unlocked in the first place...
Instead of waiting to hear if it works, I decided to quit being a sissy bed-wetter and try it myself.
What I had before:
A telus p4000, with bootloader 2.40-olipro, DCD 3.2.5, and radio 3.42.50.
All of this was done simply to enable GPS. It was the only thing that I found lacking.
What I did:
I didn't try to relock, or anything like that. I simply connected my phone to USB and my computer, and applied the new Telus/HTC update by double clicking on it and letting it run. The update contains a radio (3.42.40) as well.
What I have now:
Still have the 2.40 bootloader, TELUS rom 3.54.661.1, Telus Radio 3.42.40
What works:
In short, everything.
GPS works (finds me in less than 60 seconds, without QuickGPS loaded, in the house)
REV A - I get over 1016kbps on www.dslreports.com/mspeed using PIE. Fastest I have ever gotten it.
Memory usage - this rom is bloated full of everything Telus and HTC could throw at it. A ton of stuff starts up on the today screen during first boot. But memory manager still reports 24 MB availible to the user on start. Impressive if you ask me.
New Stuff:
This is stuff I've never seen in a Rom before today.
Task Manager Icon - top right corner of today screen / start bar. Lets you kill a process on the fly.
Click and hold X - Lets you KILL the app, not just put it in the background.
Some other stuff I'm sure, I'll try to update as I find more.
All in all, seems to be a pretty good, not to mention stable.
I unfortunately cannot second Phyber0ptik's success.
I approached it differently though. I put the phone back into its WM 6.0 stock format and then went ahead and did the upgrade to 6.1. After installing GoogleMaps and trying to locate myself the screen continues to look and look and look for satellites with no success.
Could anyone provide some insight as to the differences between our experiences? I could fathom a guess that since Phyber0ptik did not go back to stock, his GPS was left unlocked for the new software flash and thus it all worked. But I could be off here.
Ideas?
Inescapbl said:
I could fathom a guess that since Phyber0ptik did not go back to stock, his GPS was left unlocked for the new software flash and thus it all worked.
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That's not the case at all. The hardware is not "locked." The GPS was inaccessible in other ROMs due to drivers not being included into the OS ROM. There is no need to "downgrade" ROMs to "unlock" such hardware.
Sorry, a bit rushed but it can be device dependant and possibly require a bit of a wait the first time to download the ephemeris data. Forum searches will return the many past similar experiences of other members.
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I unfortunately cannot second Phyber0ptik's success.
I approached it differently though. I put the phone back into its WM 6.0 stock format and then went ahead and did the upgrade to 6.1. After installing GoogleMaps and trying to locate myself the screen continues to look and look and look for satellites with no success.
Could anyone provide some insight as to the differences between our experiences? I could fathom a guess that since Phyber0ptik did not go back to stock, his GPS was left unlocked for the new software flash and thus it all worked. But I could be off here.
Ideas?
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Just wondering, but did you check to ensure that location based services were turned on? They were on mine, but possibly not on yours? The new TELUS rom also includes a today plug in to turn GPS on and off, signified by a little target. Maybe it got turned off?
Inescapbl said:
I unfortunately cannot second Phyber0ptik's success.
I approached it differently though. I put the phone back into its WM 6.0 stock format and then went ahead and did the upgrade to 6.1. After installing GoogleMaps and trying to locate myself the screen continues to look and look and look for satellites with no success.
Could anyone provide some insight as to the differences between our experiences? I could fathom a guess that since Phyber0ptik did not go back to stock, his GPS was left unlocked for the new software flash and thus it all worked. But I could be off here.
Ideas?
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did you let the customizations run on the new telus ROM? i havent looked, but i'm sure it updates your PRI, which affects GPS.
Interesting stuff. Thanks for the input. The device I'm going to guess is the same seeing as we're both upgrading our P4000's. But it's neat to know it's not the hardware that's specifically locked.
I know that one doesn't need to downgrade to update but I thought I'd provide a different perspective for those coming right from the stock 6.0
I did have the Location Setting set such that the GPS was on and I did let the customizations run.
Weird...
I'm going to try again.
Thanks!
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did you let the customizations run on the new telus ROM? i havent looked, but i'm sure it updates your PRI, which affects GPS.
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I let my customizations run, as I'm a Telus subscriber, and the rom was specifically designed for my phone.
good to hear I don't have to relock my phone to take upgrade.... will try in a few days ... when not so busy and not in need of my phone incase something goes wrong...
Just question when I decide to try it.. will I still be able to put dcd 3.2.5 back on without unlocking it installing radio etc.... if I don't like it?
Sad note though.... I guess we're not the special few Telus users with GPS enabled P4000... Oh well I always prided myself with the knowledge that we took the time and made the effort to get it done....
installed flawlessly here overtop a 3.42.50 radio and 3.2.5 based rom...
wow, there's a lot of crap that Telus puts in there... i'll be going back to a cooked rom very soon i think...
Bluetooth looks to be updated! There's a new Bluetooth Explorer that adds Bluetooth devices to the File Explorer... FTP is also supported via BT
Hmm...so I've realoaded Radio 3.42.50 and DCD 3.2.5 and I'm not having any luck at all. Really really strange stuff here as Googlemaps just seems to keep on searching for satellites and just isn't finding anything.
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You know...it's the weirdest thing. I was outside not getting anything at all so I fiddled with some of Google Maps options. I pressed the 'Reset Google' option and all of a sudden everything came back. I have no idea what changed as an option like this isn't something I would expect to fix it. Never the less. Back in business.
After looking at this new load some more, I'm with Rawr...there's far too much stuff on here. Memory is 22.90MB free on boot but there just seems to be a lot of extra bloatware added on. All the best to you if you like the new stuff and I'm glad Telus came on board with 6.1. But I'm headed back to dcd
can someone please help me understand the major issues of porting android to the hd2? devs from htc can obviously get android running perfectly across numerous hardware platforms, so why is it so hard for anyone to port any version of android to the hd2 without some type of bug or problem? you can flame me all you want I just want to know what the major hurdles are so I can have a better understanding. Is it that HTC doesn't give you guys enough info on the hardware? is htc purposely holding back info from you guys so it's impossible to succeed? The hd2 has been out for ages and as far as I know, there is not one 100% fully working port of sense or stock froyo to the hd2 that I have seen.
It says right at the top of the forum.
READ BEFORE POSTING.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734335
You must be able to read some English, even if it is one giant block of text...
Read everything in that thread, THEN ask a question, in the appropriate section.
You have no idea how much work is involved in porting over an operating system, or creating drivers from scratch. You sound like an ignorant moron, and that is not me flaming you, but being honest.
I have a 100% working version of Android on my HD2, and I have had it for more than 2 months now. You're probably just doing it wrong, because you have failed to read the stickies.
Read the stickies.
Good luck.
Custom drivers to initialize the hardware. The problem is that when you don't have the proper hardware schematics or internals, you have to write them from scratch and/or piece code together in order to get it to work.
The main issue is around creating things from scratch at times - very hard to do when you don't have the hardware particulars to build the code from.
Make sense? It's NOT an easy process at all. And yes, the hardware IS different between a lot of the phones. Anything from screens to CPU's to antennae configs, etc.
No idea what are you talking about, I am using Mdeejay Froyo Sense 2.4 and it is working 100% for me, every function i use on a daily basis works as well as when my HD2 was running WM if not better. As mentioned in the replies above, read, search if you feel your Android isnt working to your liking. If you do not understand how difficult it is to port an OS onto a device, research about it and you will understand these devs have done so much in such a short time and they rival any group of highly-skilled SW engineers that any tech company would love to get their hands on.
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It says right at the top of the forum.
READ BEFORE POSTING.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734335
You must be able to read some English, even if it is one giant block of text...
Read everything in that thread, THEN ask a question, in the appropriate section.
You have no idea how much work is involved in porting over an operating system, or creating drivers from scratch. You sound like an ignorant moron, and that is not me flaming you, but being honest.
I have a 100% working version of Android on my HD2, and I have had it for more than 2 months now. You're probably just doing it wrong, because you have failed to read the stickies.
Read the stickies.
Good luck.
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so you're telling me you have 100% working version as original as far as battery drain, tethering, camera, wifi, boot time, call quality, etc etc? if so, which one is that? seems I missed it somehow.
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Custom drivers to initialize the hardware. The problem is that when you don't have the proper hardware schematics or internals, you have to write them from scratch and/or piece code together in order to get it to work.
The main issue is around creating things from scratch at times - very hard to do when you don't have the hardware particulars to build the code from.
Make sense? It's NOT an easy process at all. And yes, the hardware IS different between a lot of the phones. Anything from screens to CPU's to antennae configs, etc.
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then it sounds to me like HTC is crazy, why would they change each hardware so much and have to re-invent the wheel constantly?
If u read my last reply in a previous post, NO QUESTION IS A DUMB ONE! Thats why these forums are here. Now I'm not a dev nor am I that tech savvy but I wud assume that the software has to match the hardware. While different companies make multiple devices, u wud think it shouldn't be hard to root one from the other, understand that each device has different hardware specs, therefore requiring hardware specific software. Hope that helps. As for the other guy telling u to read all the threads to find wut u are looking for, not everyone has the time to read thru all the threads to find the answer to a specific question. Sometimes it's easier to just ask the question in hopes that someone who knows the answer wud reply.
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If u read my last reply in a previous post, NO QUESTION IS A DUMB ONE! Thats why these forums are here. Now I'm not a dev nor am I that tech savvy but I wud assume that the software has to match the hardware. While different companies make multiple devices, u wud think it shouldn't be hard to root one from the other, understand that each device has different hardware specs, therefore requiring hardware specific software. Hope that helps. As for the other guy telling u to read all the threads to find wut u are looking for, not everyone has the time to read thru all the threads to find the answer to a specific question. Sometimes it's easier to just ask the question in hopes that someone who knows the answer wud reply.
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you guys are all the best, and that's why I posted my question here. Yes the search feature is a PITA in it's own right, with the captcha bs and 1000 search hits. I could spend another hour refining my search, or spend 2 mins asking the question. If everyone expects people to search first then at least it should be faster or equal to just asking the question, then people would use it more I would think.
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then it sounds to me like HTC is crazy, why would they change each hardware so much and have to re-invent the wheel constantly?
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Each software has certain hardware needs to work. Obviously HTC is raking in millions and millions, so I wouldnt say they are too crazy.
Just because we can get a lot of different ROMs to work on our phones does not mean that all phones can handle all versions of Android and run perfectly out of the box. Although it would be cool.
thanks guys, so it seems the root issue is that HTC really does change their hardware fairly drastically between models and that just seems so insane to me. Why would they do such a thing? It seems so counter productive, and adds so many extra costs. That really sucks but I guess they have the $$ to do it with their stock being up there above google's.
I realize now that htc really is making (figuratively speaking) an apple, a pc, an xbox, a nintendo ds, a psp, a palm etc and getting their OS to run on it. That is really unbelievable. It must be a requirement of the different carriers. Pretty amazing how they were able to do that if you think about it. No wonder it's a nightmare for the devs here. That is exactly what I needed to know and it makes everything very clear now, thanks everyone.
p.s. microse23 you're always so nice, thanks man I appreciate it
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so you're telling me you have 100% working version as original as far as battery drain, tethering, camera, wifi, boot time, call quality, etc etc? if so, which one is that? seems I missed it somehow.
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you mean by battery drain. obivously the battery is going to drain, constant use of the SD card will do that to a phone , as far as boot time is concerned have you ever booted into a Linux live disk? it isnt all too fast is it? hmmmm i wonder why android take a sec to boot.... and here is a working rom for you: Nexus to HD2. I am using it and it works great! GPS lock in like 20 sec for me, sd is fine, tethering works, camera works (5mpx) boot time is about the same as my mytouch 3G slide after HaRET, call quality is clear no robot voice, apps from market install, HD youtube works. little to no touchscreen freezes, screen wakes up fast. (<--run-on lol) seems to be working 100%...
You don't understand how a computer runs.
There are apps that run ontop of runtime environments which are connected to the OS, the Kernel through the API (applicaiton programming interface) and then that talks directly to the hardware via the Hardware Abstraction layer, which is made up of a bunch of drivers which are individual files that detail what language and what commands are to be sent to a device to make it do certain things, which change with each device, which each screen resolution change and new technology or tweak on old technologies. Especially with the radio where it changes from 2G and 2.5G and 3G and H and H+.
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why can't they port a perfect copies? MONEY!...HTC paid their employees millions of dollar to put this thing together and make it run. Here at XDA, we have geniuses but they are working own their own time and reverse engineering isn't easy. I guess it would be like walking in a maze that doesn't always have an exit. Another thing, HTC is not exactly giving away much information on their hardware too which makes thing harder.
Think about it, we still can't get a PERFECT snes Emulators. They work and have MORE features than the original hardware console but still have issues.
Making software/os work on hardware that's not intended for isn't always clear cut.
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Nexus to HD2. I am using it and it works great! GPS lock in like 20 sec for me, sd is fine, tethering works, camera works (5mpx with 720p)
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What.
Did I miss this?
FriedSushi87 said:
You don't understand how a computer runs.
There are apps that run ontop of runtime environments which are connected to the OS, the Kernel through the API (applicaiton programming interface) and then that talks directly to the hardware via the Hardware Abstraction layer, which is made up of a bunch of drivers which are individual files that detail what language and what commands are to be sent to a device to make it do certain things, which change with each device, which each screen resolution change and new technology or tweak on old technologies. Especially with the radio where it changes from 2G and 2.5G and 3G and H and H+.
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I assume you mean me? I do understand how a computer works as I repair them, the LiveCD/usb thing was very vague comparison.
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What.
Did I miss this?
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OHSHI- thought I read it in the post was WRONG, my bad disregard that. FIX'D
Key points missed so far.
When HTC gets hardware from a supplier (Eg Qualcomm) they include driver source. Hardware API's etc for HTC to quickly develop drivers. Guys like Cotulla don't have access to this information so they clip some code from here, there and everywhere.
The hardware may be the same but the Bios (Radio) also defines how that HW is presented to the OS. The radio for a WM phone may present the hardware differently to an android phone. This needs different drivers.
There are 1000's of components and features in a phone all comprising of different models, revisions and manufacturers.
Cotulla and the guys work for free in there spare time. Big difference compared to being paid as part of a team of 20 people to do the job.
So in summary. What the guys are doing is trying to build there own UFO using photo's of an alien UFO that no one even understands the technology or how it works.
Would be a lot easier if the aliens left the instruction and design manual in the glovebox
Hi please stop this thread
Hi to the person who started this thread if you are so smart stop asking questions and read between the lines ,do you have any idea how an os is built and how programs are written in different languages,please google and find your answers rather than wasting the developers hard time they are spending at developing the android builds.please dont spend your valuable time answering my reply rather google your question you may get more info towards your required answer.
Please to the moderator stop such threads unless they are reporting build problems.
how many firmwares, can xda devs firms ware, when the firm they wear, cares not for warez?
ok - delete this... o.. maybe not...
44.44% would rather have one single GingerBread ROM over anything else, excellent!
Keep the vote's rolling, let's find out what people really want!
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What was that? It makes me even more excited since it's deleted
hehe, to bad you deleted the first post, it was very well said
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how many firmwares, can xda devs firms ware, when the firm they wear, cares not for warez?
ok - delete this...
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What?-....-........
Delete lame 'roms' - firmware stools
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What was that? It makes me even more excited since it's deleted
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Well half these firmwares could be deleted here and nobody would notice. There is some kind of trend to spit out firmwares, confuse people calling them ROM's and act like it's in the name of progress?
Where I sit, all this cloning is not flattering, it's more akin to theft and I'm sick of seeing all these useless crap ware - camera doesn't work - because you copied J? Z? - Oh where did you get that Cyanogen Mod from.. etc.. ha
Took a bit from here and bit from there... rebadged, rebranded, lifted, ripped - whatever.. it's funny for 5 minutes but it's just happening more and more and becoming - BORING!
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hehe, to bad you deleted the first post, it was very well said
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...or not...
he`s half right about what he wrote.
obviously the ones and only that made a "almost fully" rom for ours x10, was/is Z, J and T.
but one interesting thing is. a few months ago, when i see this so called 2.1 roms never read anything about it. and they were called "rom".
i give that opinion on those times...nobody give a **** about that...
but if we go further, they don`t do any roms aswell. they pick some here, some there, mix all together and...hey, it worked...great.
the ONLY way we can have a TRUE custom rom is when we crack the f..k`in BL, untill now...
my understanding is:
this so called roms are...mod roms.
but thats just me
I think the Z J and trip are really developer.THX them
MrHassell said:
Well half these firmwares could be deleted here and nobody would notice. There is some kind of trend to spit out firmwares, confuse people calling them ROM's and act like it's in the name of progress?
Where I sit, all this cloning is not flattering, it's more akin to theft and I'm sick of seeing all these useless crap ware - camera doesn't work - because you copied J? Z? - Oh where did you get that Cyanogen Mod from.. etc.. ha
Took a bit from here and bit from there... rebadged, rebranded, lifted, ripped - whatever.. it's funny for 5 minutes but it's just happening more and more and becoming - BORING!
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Well I can understand your point of view, even if I don't share it. Giving the people possibilities to choose from isn't the worst thing. And by modding one "ROM" in many ways, a lot of heads think about solutions for bugs and problems. In that way it actually is in the name of progress
Regarding the word ROM: I think most xda users are used to have ROMs for their phones and since the different firmwares we have for the X10 behave like a ROM in most aspects, it would be more confusing to call them firmwares, even if it is more correct...
Too funny
Honestly, I really kicked a hornets nest here - haha - Wow!
It's not really about names, firmwares and roms, apples and oranges etc.. I'm just really perplexed by the sheer volume of unfinished projects some blatantly ripped without any credit to the authors and more than anything, the sheer uselessness of the majority.
It's great that people want to contribute something, so how about downloading the favorable 'rom' (if it makes you feel cool.. or whatever) and make your contribution and then ONE BETTER, instead of uploading the whole schamozzle of mish mash..
Just the mods' that matter? I.E; Changed the Framework-Res.apk and a few apps, then do what Sempeternal does and release an update.zip! - Include screen shots.. but the whole firmware for a theme.. seem's overkill..
Put this in context, not naming names here but I downloaded a GingerBread a while back and it had one single app.. aside from that it was a virgin clone of another guy's rom - with no credit or even value... and it's nearly every day I'm seeing someone pop up with another CM or something and it's actually.. distracting.
Personally I'm 150% behind the work of Z, J and Sempiternal (my favorite theme is the new HC) which looks awesome on any GB modified firmware, even on Eclair and Froyo.
That is what I'm talking about! - Semp really knows what time it is and releases amazing work, free of charge. Best of all across any flavour, without any nonsense! All killer - no filler
Ginger!
i would say gingerbread and a cyanogen brew (which J would start to cook up soon^^)
i mean, who doesn't want the latest version of the most powerful android rom?
Since this is a thread opened for discussion, allow me to do exactly that. The below is strictly my own opinion and not a rant and/or an attack aimed at anyone.
I'm extremely disappointed at the way things are moving in the X10 Dev section. There are dozens of unnecessary half cooked 'ROMs' that're of no practical use. The blind self-righteous and immature dev worshipping present in the thread is shockingly mind numbing. Ask questions, even valid ones, and you're swarmed by these retarded sheep who respond back with insults and personal digs. One user even told me to go buy another X10 when I supported another user who posted a question for the Dev. about the the newer basebands, especially since the Dev himself mentioned that the newer baseband support may [or may not] come. Regardless, the question was for the Dev. and not the sheep.
Just when I feel consoled read something that hints at *some* progress being made with the current firmware, I find myself reading another post, after a while, which takes on a completely different direction. The firmware suddenly gets dropped in favor of a newer/<some popular ROM> which, then, necessitates the Dev. to re-engage himself with the long list of functions and features that aren't working. In essence it means, we're back to ground zero. Why is that necessary? It's a fact that we aren't going to see a 100% functional port because of the locked bootloader - so wouldn't it make more sense to concentrate on just 1 firmware and make it as perfect as possible, with the omission of things that wouldn't be working due to the locked down bootloader?
I sincerely think we need just *2* FIRMWARE threads in the Dev. area - one for 2.3.x and one for 2.2.x. The CM additions can be easily had by installing the CM Settings app, the themes etc. on top of whichever edition one chooses. There's no need to have a complete 'ROM' uploaded with the same critical and few non critical issues.
I should reiterate, the above is simply my own opinion and is in no way a rant or an attack on anyone.
Yes too many rom. Devs should work together to make a perfect room than every dev make their own rom better.
There are developers... and chefs... devs develop the software. Cooks or chefs take ingredients or parts of software and mix or cook them. If you have been a long member of xda you would know that this has always been how it is for EVERY phone that is on this site... but more so this thread propably should be moved to a different section.
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It's never wrong to share. If you don't like it, just don't download. It's that simple.
And from what I see, credits are given where it's due. Many don't even ask for donation. And they don't pretend to be a dev like J, Z & T.
Yes these are mods & tweaks. But some really did a nice job - like wolfbreak's rom - it's fast and stable with a great look.
It's always good to have choices. IMO their threads are much more useful than this thread which contributes nothing.
Of course you don't have to agree with me and I don't have to agree with you
People on here seem to have the mistaken impression that if devs came together we would have a perfect rom instead of several roms that have bugs... That is not the case. We would just have less choice, the bugs would still remain, things like the camcorder and camera issues don't just get fixed overnight. It's nice to see peoples own twist on things, sad to see some people don't appreciate this..
cobrato said:
It's never wrong to share. If you don't like it, just don't download. It's that simple.
And from what I see, credits are given where it's due. Many don't even ask for donation. And they don't pretend to be a dev like J, Z & T.
Yes these are mods & tweaks. But some really did a nice job - like wolfbreak's rom - it's fast and stable with a great look.
It's always good to have choices. IMO their threads are much more useful than this thread which contributes nothing.
Of course you don't have to agree with me and I don't have to agree with you
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Agreed with u...
+1
I personally would like the developers and the site to do the following.
1. Sticky the First Rom post from each guy, and only allow him to update it and a second post.
2. All comments, questions regarding it should be in a separate thread of the same title appended with [Discussion], which should be culled (or have a strike through put the heading) from the system the moment the dev releases a new version.
I for one, can not go through hundreds or thousands of posts most of which are not relevant any longer to the current version of the firmware/baseband whatever update. IT's very intimidating, and onerous on the reader- even professional IT people. I can't imagine what someone from a non-technical bent sent here by someone - "Hey you can get an update for that at XDA!" thinks when they encounter some of these 2,000+ plus postings.
The developers should take a bit of responsibility and update the first or second posts with any new issues that crop up from the discussions. You should not have to read 50 posts in to a thread to find out that there is a step missing in the install or a new bug has been confirmed. I've burned two X10's myself due to bugs and unclear instructions that were later corrected.
Meanwhile, I'm happy to support with money these guys, even though I have not actually put a 'custom' firmware onto any of my phones. I have put/used the tools that have been provided to do other things like JIT and rooting/updating SE firmware. I am looking forward to seeing a fully functional update to give me some of the things that are not available in 2.1 so I can get better applications. I think that not having some items like Hotspot, Tether and even 16m color on the display which require kernel updates are not that important since tether/hotspot can be added via applications in the market.
I don't think there can be a better example of why we don't need random people come up with ROMs [they're firmwares, NOT ROMs]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11669817&postcount=97
In that thread, the main issue is not about giving or not giving credits, it's about calling oneself a 'Chef' and delivering half baked results which ultimately causes grief when users don't receive solutions to their legitimate queries/firmware related problems.
This is the latest firmware I coudl find on any site. It was Asian so I converted it to work with the P600UE (US Based P600's and other variants).
Features:
Made Compatible with US devices (may work on other regions).
Removed Knox and proloaded Kisok mode
Pre-rooted with SuperSU
Odex or De-odex'ed
Zip Aligned
Set Google as home page
Busybox
init.d Support
Removed Chinese Keyboard.
No other changes or modifications.
Once again, this is an untouched stock ROM other than what is listed. There are no tweaks or enhancements.
It took me 2 days to figure out how to get around the regional coding on the new Samsung devices so please hit Thanks if you download.
Downloads:
Odex: Stock-Root-Odex-P600ZTUBML1.zip - 1.22 GB
De-Odex: Stock-Root-De-Odex-P600ZTUBML1.zip - 1.22 GB
Please hit thanks. Tips are aprpeciated
Sharing Policy
The spirit of Open Source is to share your knowledge and files with the rest of the world so they can improve on what you do when possible. This is also my philosophy and I would never compromise that!
You are free to use this ROM or any part of this ROM any way you like as long as you give proper credits!
Do not use my work if you cannot give proper credits!
Consider this your permission! Please do not PM me asking if its OK to build off this ROM. Permission granted!
However this does not include my CleanROM series of ROMS. Please do not use those without contacting me first!
This ROM is not a CleanROM. Its a stock rooted and all yours!
Hit Thanks!
Again...
First! <----always wanted to post this.
Let me do a nandroid backup and I'll flash this tonight when I'm home.
Are you looking for anything specific?
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FYI: This download took well over an hour.
Thanks, 5 stars!
Sent from my SM-N900P
awesome thanks !
harrychimp said:
First! <----always wanted to post this.
Let me do a nandroid backup and I'll flash this tonight when I'm home.
Are you looking for anything specific?
Update @ approximately 2pm PST
FYI: This download took well over an hour.
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Well, I just want to make sure everything works. It was a big learning experieence about the regional coding files and the SEA policies which I finally figured out.
So if you can test apps in the play store, over all functionality type thing. Looking for things like "Not supported in your region" errors although I doubt it (USA Regions only, other regions I cannot support).
IM sure its good as I ran with it for two days and liked it.
scrosler said:
Well, I just want to make sure everything works. It was a big learning experieence about the regional coding files and the SEA policies which I finally figured out.
So if you can test apps in the play store, over all functionality type thing. Looking for things like "Not supported in your region" errors although I doubt it (USA Regions only, other regions I cannot support).
IM sure its good as I ran with it for two days and liked it.
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Google play services was force closing but updated all my apps and it went away
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Google play services was force closing but updated all my apps and it went away
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Sadly that is a typical issue with play services.
They try to push that at the same time the push the apps and it can cause a mess.
Google needs to get it together... But then again, I dont think they made Android for the Crack Flashing crew.
When I was playing with this I think it felt a little smoother than the MK1 base.
Does anyone have any input on that?
And what do you think of the Autobrightness control?
Why did you convert a stock Asian rom to be compatible with US/EU version of P600?
Haven't they the same hardware or product code (SM-P600)?
I ask you this since I ordered a note 2014 from Singapore and I would flash an European stock rom with my country's csc.
Do you think it's not possible?
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Here's some of my thoughts about the Asian ML1 version.
Thank you very much for sharing this ROM with us.
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One more thing to add:
It seems there is a significant lag for the screen to turn on after the tablet was off for more than a few minutes.
Also tested the magnetic cover on both Poetic cases I own. The tablet display turns on and off when cover is opened and closed.
mouse100 said:
Why did you convert a stock Asian rom to be compatible with US/EU version of P600?
Haven't they the same hardware or product code (SM-P600)?
I ask you this since I ordered a note 2014 from Singapore and I would flash an European stock rom with my country's csc.
Do you think it's not possible?
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For whatever reasons Samsung seems to have locked them like they did with the phones and sims. I beleive, but cannot prove for fact, that they are using the same "technology" from the Note 3. You can read more about it here: Samsung’s Regional SIM-Lock: The Stupidest Thing Ever?
Now I dont know for fact, so take it with a grain of salt, but look at the first digit of the firmware and that is the region. Take look here on THIS PAGE for the region and the firmware versions. You will see a pattern.
It seems, Arabian devices all start with X, European based devices start with U, US based devices start with U as well. All Asian devices start with Z. But what throws me off is not all countries seem to be in the region you would expect. So I really am not sure. I just now that some people cant use my ROM very well and others can.
I know that i could not get the ZT base to work until I swapped out portions of the RAM disk and some really strange files in the /system partition which I beleive are tied to the ram disk files which then seem to tie to the region. THIS IS ALL SPECULATION on my behalf. I wont know unless I have a device from Asia to test or someone that knows more about Samsung product codes can elaborate.
Now, I cant honestly tell you that they wont be able to cross but I can tell you I had to tear out some files from the UE based ROM (United States) and replace those files in the ZT based ROM (Tiawan).
Like I said, take it with a grain of salt.
When you get your device send me a PM so I can have you look at things and quantify my thoughts. All my theory are based on my physical US Based Device and the troubles I had getting the Asian based ROM to flash.
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Here's some of my thoughts about the Asian ML1 version.
Thank you very much for sharing this ROM with us.
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One more thing to add:
It seems there is a significant lag for the screen to turn on after the tablet was off for more than a few minutes.
Also tested the magnetic cover on both Poetic cases I own. The tablet display turns on and off when cover is opened and closed.
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Although I cannot read your hand writing I did seem like a positive tone? lol
The lag on wake is by design. I know, strange... But thats how any Exnyos process based device is.
Refernce any article in this quick Google Search and you will see it covers almost every Exnyos device Samsung makes. Not just the Note 10.1.
We will need to enlist a real good kernel developer to remove that lag. You can read more about it in my CleanROM thread as we were just discussing it there...
But in a nut shell, the tablet goes into deep sleep and it has to be woken up. This is done to conserve battery.
I also tested the wake lag against stock MK1 base and its actually improved. At least form my testing anyways. Take it with a grain of salt as I am an old man and cant count very well
Hey this is exactly what i was looking for.
My brother and I bought our dad this tablet from the US and the first thing I did was root it as usual with all the other android devices in our house haha.. but as usual after rooting and installing a custom recovery you cannot do OTA's.
I would like to know will you be keeping this stock and maintaining this as samsung pushes updates. the first thing my dad did, was check if he could do auto updates and it said no tablet is modified. So I told him I would have to do it manually.
Many thanks in advance.
Also is this ML1 the latest release by Samsung?
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Although I cannot read your hand writing I did seem like a positive tone? lol
The lag on wake is by design. I know, strange... But thats how any Exnyos process based device is.
Refernce any article in this quick Google Search and you will see it covers almost every Exnyos device Samsung makes. Not just the Note 10.1.
We will need to enlist a real good kernel developer to remove that lag. You can read more about it in my CleanROM thread as we were just discussing it there...
But in a nut shell, the tablet goes into deep sleep and it has to be woken up. This is done to conserve battery.
I also tested the wake lag against stock MK1 base and its actually improved. At least form my testing anyways. Take it with a grain of salt as I am an old man and cant count very well
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The feedback of your ML1 stock ROM was positive. All apps I used simply worked. There was nothing unusual about any of the apps, including no force closes.
Touchwiz launcher also seemed quicker when scrolling through the home pages and application pages. I plan to do a Titanium backup and make this my daily ROM for a few days (or longer).
As for the lag when turning on the screen, I was only making an observation. It was neither a positive or negative comment about the ROM. I prefer the tablet to go into deep sleep mode as fast as possible to conserve battery life. So an extra half second or so for the display screen to turn on is an easy tradeoff.
kazemitsui said:
Hey this is exactly what i was looking for.
My brother and I bought our dad this tablet from the US and the first thing I did was root it as usual with all the other android devices in our house haha.. but as usual after rooting and installing a custom recovery you cannot do OTA's.
I would like to know will you be keeping this stock and maintaining this as samsung pushes updates. the first thing my dad did, was check if he could do auto updates and it said no tablet is modified. So I told him I would have to do it manually.
Many thanks in advance.
Also is this ML1 the latest release by Samsung?
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I will more than likely be doing stock roots for any update I can for the duration of tablet owner ship.
As the very first line of the opening post stated; this is the latest build I can find anywhere on the internet.
If anyone ever finds anything newer than what I have they normally will post in one of my threads or will send me a PM. Plus I scour certain firmware sites daily.
harrychimp said:
The feedback of your ML1 stock ROM was positive. All apps I used simply worked. There was nothing unusual about any of the apps, including no force closes.
Touchwiz launcher also seemed quicker when scrolling through the home pages and application pages. I plan to do a Titanium backup and make this my daily ROM for a few days (or longer).
As for the lag when turning on the screen, I was only making an observation. It was neither a positive or negative comment about the ROM. I prefer the tablet to go into deep sleep mode as fast as possible to conserve battery life. So an extra half second or so for the display screen to turn on is an easy tradeoff.
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Good good!
IM going to chop this up into CleanROM within the next couple days.
I also see a few performance gains as far as the launcher, etc.
Hey scott. I havent flashed your rom yet but when I flashed it as a firmware I seem to have some wifi dropping issues. Did you notice this or did some of your hacks change the wifi?
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jbeitel said:
Hey scott. I havent flashed your rom yet but when I flashed it as a firmware I seem to have some wifi dropping issues. Did you notice this or did some of your hacks change the wifi?
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Nah, I see some changes in the system dealing specificallyh with WiFi and Bluetooth but I have not had an issue with WiFi (nor do I 100% understand teh changes between MK1 and ML1).
However, the bootlaoder may have also attributed to this. I made this rom so it would run with the MK1 US Bootloader.
I would Odin MK1 then you should be able to flash this. But as far as WiFi drops for me personally, nah. Seems good.
Anyone else see any WiFi issues?
scrosler said:
Nah, I see some changes in the system dealing specificallyh with WiFi and Bluetooth but I have not had an issue with WiFi (nor do I 100% understand teh changes between MK1 and ML1).
However, the bootlaoder may have also attributed to this. I made this rom so it would run with the MK1 US Bootloader.
I would Odin MK1 then you should be able to flash this. But as far as WiFi drops for me personally, nah. Seems good.
Anyone else see any WiFi issues?
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That's great, i'll be sure to try it when i get home then.