Whats the general feeling on here about the SPB suite of products.. I am using a few of them since I like the added functionality they give. I think I read someplace they are considered resource hogs. True or false? Currently I run between 13 - 11M free RAM.. Can I get an increase thats worth it and still get similar functions?
Is there any similar products (free perfered) that are lesser hogs?
I have:
Backup...
Phone Suite...
Mobile Shell...
Pocket Plus...
Imageer... (not really needed)
I am currently running dcd's 2.2.0 rom with GPS... (BIG THANKS FOR THE WORK ON THAT!). Would one of the other roms work out better for me?
Thanks in advance for any pointers...
i use phone suite and plus. the only reason i use plus is for the today screen program launcher. i know theres many other programs that can do this but im too lazy to switch.
phone suite is a must imo
right after a reboot i have 17.64 mb "program memory" free. running dcd 2.2.6
Whats the general feeling on here about the SPB suite of products.. I am using a few of them since I like the added functionality they give. I think I read someplace they are considered resource hogs. True or false? Currently I run between 13 - 11M free RAM.. Can I get an increase thats worth it and still get similar functions?
Is there any similar products (free perfered) that are lesser hogs?
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i used to use mobile shell, phone suite, time and pocket plus, but i ditched mobile shell because it was a huge resource hog (about 4mb of ram normally)
i prefer sprite backup to spb
fusQer said:
i use phone suite and plus. the only reason i use plus is for the today screen program launcher. i know theres many other programs that can do this but im too lazy to switch.
phone suite is a must imo
right after a reboot i have 17.64 mb "program memory" free. running dcd 2.2.6
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I use plus cause it has a host of features, the only one I don't like is the today plugin which I have disabled.
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So I am at a cross roads...
I have a VZW 6800 which has been an excellent phone. I'm tired of the out of memory restrictions on it though because it only has 64mb of RAM.
The crippled VZW Touch Pro has 192mb of memory so that's a huge increase (but a disapointment from 288 on the sprint), so it would solve my memory problem.
The touch Pro 2 has been announced and at best we will see it on VZW by december, but most likely Feb of 2010.
The Touch Pro 2 has marginal upgrades such as better resolution, but it also loses things like a Dpad. The processor and camera appear to be the same.
Soo..with all of this logic, Would you wait for the TP2, or get the TP now? The rom scene for the TP seems mature too.
If you did upgrade from the 6800 to the TP, what was your opinion of the difference?
Ok...so I bit the bullet and picked up the Touch Pro.
So far, yes, it is an improvement. I have been doing all the actions without being out of memory...
If you dont use Touchflo its very hard to run out of memory. However with TF3D running and a few apps ie: pocketplayer, IE, sms, etc i am constantly having to babysit this thing. This is with a vzw optomized custom rom and 40+ megs ram available at start up. run opera for a bit and it needs to be rebooted.
And people said 128 is enough...
I know some people that have the touch (6900) and run out of memory the same as the titan with custom, optimized roms. I don't mind babysitting my phone though, always have been pretty religious on managing my own memory. It does help when you have a mem limited device.
i baught the sprint tp and use it on vzw network
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i baught the sprint tp and use it on vzw network
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Thanks for that insight
I made the upgrade from the 6800 to the 6850 (Verizons version of the TP)
I have to say it's worth the upgrade as far as memory is concerned but the unit STILL will run out of memory if your not careful...
Now most of that has to do with the Apps more than the phone...as someone mentioned, Use Opera for any extended length of time and you will have to reset the unit...I couldn't get You Tube to run as there wasn't enough memory available on one of the ROMs I tried to use...
I would say that if you don't intend to run much more than you had on your 6800 then you will love the performance of the TP.
But if you want to play with TF3D (which IMO isn't a finished piece of work yet!) you will find all that extra memory really doesn't buy you all that much other than snappier performance...You will still find yourself resetting due to memory leaks and undumped cache.
It seems that each new generation of phones is designed with just enough power and memory to run all the stuff your last phone ran as it was intended to run....
But they also come with new software and capabilities that when you try to take advantage of them you quickly find yourself asking why didn't they put more into the unit?
I would love to have waited for the TP2...but by the time Verizon gets it in there will probably be a CDMA version of the IPhone....I hate Apple but I have to admit it is the one phone out there that seems to run everything for it well....
So I have the TP now, and the only thing I really dislike about it is the missing 96mb of memory still.
I keep wondering that if the TP2 makes it to Verizon unscathed how I will feel about missing the Dpad. The Zoom slider may work better than the circular zoom slider on the TP as well.
I have had the touch pro for about a week now, an upgrade from the 6800. I, like alot of people am having a love hate relationship with this.
What I like:
-->I like the screen (both the look and the finger touch)
-->I like the camera
What I don't like:
-->I realize this has an additional 128 MB of RAM, however even with a stripped down ROM, I'm still having some issues with apps closing. I
-->Battery life sucks
-->Charging sucks (the thing drains even when its plugged in; this was not an issue on the 6800)
-->The aGPS on the Titan worked great!
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I like having the numbers keys, but I'm still getting used to the key layout.
The dPad works, but the right and left are not very responsive
if its anything like the sprint TP you need to touch to the outside of the circle for the dpad. once you learn how it works youll find that left and right are really quite sensative.
i've had windows mobile forever and basically i now have an oppertunity to get the hero but keep my touch pro.
does anybody have any advice on the difference between the 2 os's?
the goods and bads of anroid compared to winmo?
The biggest difference is that multi-tasking is a little different. By default there is no list of running processes, and no way to switch between them. Instead you go back to an already open app by going through the menu and opening it like regular again.
ahm, long pressing the Home button will bring up the list of currently/last opened apps so you can switch between them
Ok, I'll give you that, it makes switching easier, but it is not a task list. Just a shortcut to some recently launched apps. If you open 7 apps, you won't be able to switch to the oldest.
If you compare stock Android (1.5) versus stock Windows Mobile 6.1 / 6.5, it'll be a close call. I think I would rather have a WinMo device then.
But the HTC interface on the Hero makes it a no-brainer for me.
But it all depends what you use your device for. If you are a heavy bluetooth user you might want to look into that first, but since I hardly ever use it I have no issues with android and loved it from the first few minutes of using it . And that was after years of Winmo-using.
But Android simply doesn't have the HUGE list of applications, tweaks and tricks that Windows Mobile has.
If I had to choose between a Touch Pro or a Hero, I'd go for a Hero. But if it was a Diamond2 / Touch Pro 2 (or maybe even a Touch HD) and I could tweak it completely with all the knowledge from cooking I had, it'll be a though choice . TouchFlo 2.6 on a Diamond2 is still a lovely combo.
Hi everyone im new to the forum and to android.
Im also a converted WinMo user, i had the touch hd running with Duttys rom and sometimes Energy rom. I enjoyed the installing of new roms etc but the biggest thing for me though was the lack of a marketplace and consequently the lack of really good apps that compare with android.
True there is a marketplace on winmo being released soon with WM 6.5, but ive used WM 6.5 and i hated the interface. Plus there are no winmo phones i can think of that are finger friendly (all operate with pressure sensored UI's). Android has a nice UI.
The hero for me has exciting potential and i think can acoomplish great things once they get rid of the infamous lag. Plus the developers are shifting over more and more from apple (flooded) to android.
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But it all depends what you use your device for. If you are a heavy bluetooth user you might want to look into that first,
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Good point - Android bluetooth is partly crippled at the moment, the API has not been finalised thus it has not been released.
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i've had windows mobile forever and basically i now have an oppertunity to get the hero but keep my touch pro.
does anybody have any advice on the difference between the 2 os's?
the goods and bads of anroid compared to winmo?
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The article linked here gives a reasonable accurate and concise summary of the differences between the two, including relative strengths and weaknesses. From my experiences, I'd agree with most of what the author has said.
http://smartphoneandroid.com/2009/07/06/whats-the-difference-between-google-android-and-windows-mobile.html
Regards,
Dave
wow thank you, but i have another related question, should i get the "my touch 3g" which from my understand is basically the htc magic and just put a hero rom on there or is it worth the extra bit of ram to get the hero?
Are you in the US? If so, bear in mind that the Hero won't work with any 3G network as yet, whereas the T-Mobile branded MyTouch 3G will at least work on the T-Mobile 3G network (assuming you're in the fairly limit coverage area!).
Personally, I would get the Hero, but if you can get a Magic with 288mb Ram, it should run the Hero run ok. As far as I'm aware, all HTC branded Magics should be ok, but I do know that some operator branded Magics (e.g. Vodafone UK) only have 192Mb Ram and therefore won't really run the Hero run acceptably.
Regards,
Dave
hi, i'm a newbie here.. is it possible to install SPB mobile shell 3.5 within WP 6.5? or, is SPB a diffrent o/s than WP 6.5?
As the name says, it´s a shell. And yes, you can install it on WinMo 6.5, as a replacement for HTC´s Sense.
But most people wouldn´t do this, there is a free software called "coOkiemonster´s Home Tab" which is extremely powerful. And there are tons of great mods, tweaks, widgets and enhancements next to the built-in options.
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hi, i'm a newbie here.. is it possible to install SPB mobile shell 3.5 within WP 6.5? or, is SPB a diffrent o/s than WP 6.5?
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SPB Mobile shell is pretty much wasted on the HD2. I found it useful with my old TP2, which has a much slower processor and far less memory.
If you do use it, I highly recommend that you get familiar with Vostradomus and his excellent SPB MS shell extensions. There is a whole thread on playing around with SPB MS.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566045&page=199
SPB MS3.5 is awesome on the HD2, it makes it for me the best phone ever made.
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SPB MS3.5 is awesome on the HD2, it makes it for me the best phone ever made.
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Alas, I fell in love with the Sense interface as presented by NRG. Prior to that I would agree entirely.
However, my iteration of SPB MS was much more powerful than even CHT.
I know a while ago there was talk of cotulla and friends getting WM6.5 to run off SD, does anyone know anything from irc or anywhere if this was completely abandoned?
would be pretty cool.
haven't heard anything, though not too up to date on the IRC stuff.
but no talk here minus that one post by cotulla.
if i may, what is on WM that android doesn't have? i don't use my phone but for a few programs (specific work things) and modding is mainly a distraction for me...but am curious how a dual-OS existence works in real life. just pondering. (now i am all about the development as well, it is bad ass to have options, but just philosophizing..if that is a word...)
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haven't heard anything, though not too up to date on the IRC stuff.
but no talk here minus that one post by cotulla.
if i may, what is on WM that android doesn't have? i don't use my phone but for a few programs (specific work things) and modding is mainly a distraction for me...but am curious how a dual-OS existence works in real life. just pondering. (now i am all about the development as well, it is bad ass to have options, but just philosophizing..if that is a word...)
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well currently I have WP7 and Android dual-boot. The reason it's nice is because WP7 does have a couple games I like and just for the "fun change OS" factor. Practically speaking neither WM6.5 nor WP7 have anything really functionally better, but I miss playing "experiment 13" on WM6.5 and I also wanted to play with all of the new CHT goodies I see for fun. It's more of an enjoyment thing than any real practical need.
I dual boot between 6.5 and android.
6.5 for work when I need a solid data connection and a no nonsense browser (opera 9.7).
Android at home when I want to use the XDA app and look at pictures of cats hiding in shoes....
About 6.5 from SD.
I think it may take them some time as Wm as an OS is somewhat more awkward and tricky to tinker with than android. As far as porting it is concerned. That's what I read somewhere anyway....
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It would be great to have winmo on sd many of us could then go to nand Android having opportunity to boot winmo as alternative. For example I have my beloved gps soft on winmo...
I too think it would be great to boot Win Mo from SD. This would give poople the awsome ability to still use Win Mo after that have went NAND Andriod or WP7. I myself still use the stock Win Mo ROM as my daily and preferred OS cause it fits me better and my needs better. But if I was abale to boot Win Mo from SD I would give WP7 a try for a while. I like Andriod well enough but it is just not as functional to me plus I can running it from SD anytime I want so I see no reason to go NAND.
I do think it will take a good bet longer to achieve this ability though cause compared to Andriod Windows Mobile is a much larger OS and it is written with different code. But if anyone can do it is the Cottula and the rest of DFT.
I agree it would be nice. Actually having all the OS options on boot would be nice. Just was curious what people use in Wm that isn't available elsewhere. Cool!
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I agree it would be nice. Actually having all the OS options on boot would be nice. Just was curious what people use in Wm that isn't available elsewhere. Cool!
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To answer your queatuon it is really not that things in Win Mo are not avaliable in other OS'c but that so much comes built into Win Mo and for the functionality of it is more complete, atleast for me. Take things like internet sharingl/tethering and WiFi sharing. With Win Mo all you have to do is install the application and you are good. With Andriod you have to root the device for this and many more things. I like the full functionality of Micosoft Office compared to it on other mobile OS's. I like the feel of Win Mo too as it is more like a mobile PC or a extention of your home or office PC. Plus Win Mo is a true stand alone OS where as Andriod runs on top of Linux. Also to me Andriod feels more like a childs toy than a truly functional OS. Now I have not had but a limited amount of experience with WP7, but to me it is less functional than Andriod and more of a reversion to a some what dumb phone OS as it gives you limited capabilities and interface. That is just my opinion.
Would a sd build be with or without sense?
I agree it.Thank you for sharing, like very much
Very much down to whoever cooks the Roms. Once such a port is achieved anyone will be able to build roms so you'll get one of your choice.
If anyone can take care of this its cotulla and his crew!
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did anyone tried to run and develop ROMs for VMWARE under linux and try to install VMWARE on our x10 mini pro??
if this is possible then i believe we can run multiple versions of ROMs and kernels without even lose any piece of data and i believe we can also keep the stock rom too. therefore we can always use our phones even if the rom crashed at anytime!
i'll try to check the requirement for vmware installation on mobile ...
DUDE! You HAVE to be kidding me. VMWare is a virutalisation platform, it simulates any hardware for software to run on. What we need is, a way to change the /system to a alternate one to allow for dual booting. I believe its avalible in some recoveries.. i think. And AFAIK, no virtualisation platform will run on our tiny ammount of RAM and sluggish processor.
Dude! i'm not kidding i believe we can use VMWARE on our hardware but the limitation will be to run each OS at a time.
and remember that Android is based on Linux and VMWARE could be installed on Linux also i believe that with slight modification we can run only shell linux with vmware installed which will need only like 64MB RAM and pentium 2 300Mhz minimum to make it all work!
so virtualisation is possible on our phone and i visited the VMWARE site and guess what they have mobile virtualization solution for mobiles and tablets!
i believe we can reach a level of customization never done before!
EDIT: and by the way take a look at the following LG VMWARE virtualisation you tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47kzIvFfV_E
this is possible!
I dont get the point, why not just combine the work & personal life in one rom? This just seems like a waste of space, plus the phone in the video is much more powerfull.
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@naw3x i know it's much more powerful my idea won't need that power!
we can use our OS father Linux! if we use the minimal version only kernel and shell we can install VMWare (at least the player) and install images of whatever OS we want to use and it would be extremely easy to back up and customize!
linux kernel plus shell won't take that much resources as base layer! it will only take the what the phone stock kernel of RAM may 10 MB more!
for the use of virtualisation like in the video it's not a waste of space for a company but for us we can say this! for a company that need privacy toward it's data it can backup the vm Rom in a minute and remove it totally if the employee wants to leave without affecting his personal phone!
Maybe it could work, whilst it may be able to utilise the hardware built into the phone there would be significant performance in emulating an alien processor and the associated custom chips (if for instance you wanted to emulate a different phone).
If you want to run a second virtual x10 mini pro (not concurrent - obviosuly) then it probably wouldnt be anymore significant than rerouting the system/ folder.
Running an OS from flash would be more energy/resource consuming than the internal memory anyway.
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Useless idea, because virtualisation always needs quiet a lot of cpu-power. There is the possibility to run a dual boot system, but afair this project has been stopped. Also i dont get the point in running multiple roms on your device, since the data-partition could only be used by froyo OR gingerbread OR eclair and since basically any rom has the same progress in development, because obviously the cookers use the work from other cookers, which is awesome because it is some kind of collaboration, it is senseless to use multiple roms at once.
Also, if you want the futures of linux, even without gui, you need the right kernel, otherwise your device would not know how to handle your command.
So whats the point in your idea?
Well the point is to try to run and test vm without even attempt to flash which will help in testing the currently in development roms and kernels! And even you can use it for a lot more things! And about the linux kernel you already have it it's in your android os all the time!
Anyway if no one wants to share ideas and discuss this subject, I thank you all for your answers it was an attempt to do something useful
Hey. Don't give up, buddy! Anything is possible!
good idea
Dont know why people are down on the idea,i think it would be great, basically 2 phones in 1,i do use 2 phones atm, good look with it
Yeah.. it is nice... in theory. But its practically useless. We are already strapped for ram, and a VM implies running another OS inside the current one. Which is definitely not practical. At any rate, a reboot is still needed. You could just redirect the system and data folders to their own image on the sdcard. Cos we sure dont have the space to store them in internal memory.
Honestly I was thinking of a light way to install vmware ( or any virtualization tool and remember dalvik itself is a virtualization engine! ) which may lead supposed to run it like hyper v terminal in hyper v servers if you know it! For now we can think of the redirection of system and data to the external storage as a way to run 2 os on one machine but if we reach a way to run a virtualization platform I believe it should be great!
Well in teory it should work! smartphones are a bit like pc.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079898
Up is a case that worked but if you see this close you see that is not that good.
I think that you are missing some of the principal "rules" of vmware. you have always to be using the host and the virtual machine on top of it. and the host will be always working and consuming resources. in that case it won't be mutch left for the virtual machine! i believe that it would be better (Like someone said before) for you to take a look at the multiboot option!
CWM 3.x.x.x R5 has this option available! make a litttle search, i believe that it will be mutch better for you!
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Well in teory it should work! smartphones are a bit like pc.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079898
Up is a case that worked but if you see this close you see that is not that good.
I think that you are missing some of the principal "rules" of vmware. you have always to be using the host and the virtual machine on top of it. and the host will be always working and consuming resources. in that case it won't be mutch left for the virtual machine! i believe that it would be better (Like someone said before) for you to take a look at the multiboot option!
CWM 3.x.x.x R5 has this option available! make a litttle search, i believe that it will be mutch better for you!
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well i know the principals of vmware what i'm saying we have already the kernel running u need only a shell application to install vmware and i believe kernel plus shell won't take more than 50 MB at max and 200MB will be left for vmware.
well it's an attempt man to see how much our device could endure tweaking
thanks
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well i know the principals of vmware what i'm saying we have already the kernel running u need only a shell application to install vmware and i believe kernel plus shell won't take more than 50 MB at max and 200MB will be left for vmware.
well it's an attempt man to see how much our device could endure tweaking
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But then you would neet to have a virtual machine system like the one used in servers!
I see your idea and i understand the logic but it would require mutch more then our mobile specs! But anyway you had a great idea!
Final results of testing virtualization over x10 mini pro!
I tested 3 virtualization methods over one of my x10 mini pro (all running over shell and kernel without roms on the phone all on sd) which are the following QEMU of Fedora vmware player and virtual box. What I arrived to in all 3 it was tooooooooooo slow I run different OSs like symbian and windows mobile and android 2.3.7 and my biggest challenge was to run UBUNTU on our mobile!
QEMU was the best in performance but still laggish with the attempt to load the os took like half an hour on the latest symbian S60 and almost the same for Android
The worst was VMWARE symbian didn't load android took almost 45 minutes to load...
At the end I want to mark the attempt of virtualization over our x10 mini pro as failed!
Ps. I lost one of my x10 mini pro phone totally after installing UBUNTU I believe I damaged some chips while I tried to flash some changes to the kernel to make it run over VMWARE!
VMWare seems to be too heavy for this tiny hardware.
I think you should take a view at QEMU. This is minimalist, working correctly on Linux/ARM.
Personally , I'm sure that the performances will be awful whatever the emulator used.
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VMWare seems to be too heavy for this tiny hardware.
I think you should take a view at QEMU. This is minimalist, working correctly on Linux/ARM.
Personally , I'm sure that the performances will be awful whatever the emulator used.
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already tried QEMU and didn't work!
and honestly i even tried to modify QEMU to have a kind of simulation of our hardware and it failed!
Failed because our phones have outdated and rather slow hardware... should work flawless on newer phones with more powerfull hardware. So yeah, it's not a completly failure.
Well for now i'll stop working on this until I get better hardware thank you all for your advices and ideas