Titan not detecting PC...help please! not as noobie as it sounds - Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development

Hi,
I flashed my titan with DCD's 2.3.0 kitchen. (added some OEMs myself)
Everything went well, until it finished.
Whenever I plug in my usb, my cellphone does not detect my PC at all.
Here are the things I have done in attempt to fix it:
-Tried syncing my titan with three PCs and three different wires, all with no luck.
-I hard reset two times and still no luck.
-I have tried both ticking and unticking "advanced network functionality"
-On my PC (Vista-32bit) I have unticked and ticked all possible options in Windows Mobile Device Center.
-Tried to relock it with Titanrelocker, however it just says no device detected.
-Went into bootloader mode and flash a new ROM from there. It went as if it's flashing like normal; however, once i got it started up i found out it wasn't even flashed...still the old broken ROM.
All these and no luck. Normally when I plug in my USB, there syncing icon will appear on top of my today screen, but now..it remains "EV"
Any help please?

is the sync center icon in the lower right corner of your pc visible (looks like the acive sync icon). i have had this problem and shut down and restarted my computer, opened mobile device center THEN connected my phone and it worked for me.

I have been having the same problem, but with XP sp2. I have docs 2.2.1. I am able to sync with BT, but i have not been able to use the usb cable since the reflash. I have cheek all setting on active sync. and nothing has been helping it. i have notice, that location 4 has been added to my network connections. Do i have to set up an network sync now?

Kill mobsync.exe or reboot
danny6514 said:
Hi,
I flashed my titan with DCD's 2.3.0 kitchen. (added some OEMs myself)
Everything went well, until it finished.
Whenever I plug in my usb, my cellphone does not detect my PC at all.
Here are the things I have done in attempt to fix it:
-Tried syncing my titan with three PCs and three different wires, all with no luck.
-I hard reset two times and still no luck.
-I have tried both ticking and unticking "advanced network functionality"
-On my PC (Vista-32bit) I have unticked and ticked all possible options in Windows Mobile Device Center.
-Tried to relock it with Titanrelocker, however it just says no device detected.
-Went into bootloader mode and flash a new ROM from there. It went as if it's flashing like normal; however, once i got it started up i found out it wasn't even flashed...still the old broken ROM.
All these and no luck. Normally when I plug in my USB, there syncing icon will appear on top of my today screen, but now..it remains "EV"
Any help please?
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After flashing, you have to kill mobsync.exe from the task manager and restart Windows Mobile Device Center on Vista or Activesync on XP. Not sure of the process name for Activesync. Else, you can reboot the PC.

Ok i found what i have been doing wrong in this post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=37202

GTIwhat! said:
Ok i found what i have been doing wrong in this post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=37202
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seems like a broken link =\

danny6514 said:
seems like a broken link =\
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can someone please help with this problem

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ROM Install Help on 8525

So I recently downloaded the "RUU_Hermes_CINGULAR_WWE_2_1_[1].15.502.3_6275_1.40.30.00_108_Ship" ROM for my 8525, in hopes that it will provide me with a more stable pda/phone enviroment so that I may do the work I need to without having to hard reset every other day or so.
When I try to run the ROM install, I follow all the insturctions but when the update starts to run, it shuts my activesync connection off so the update can't run and throws back an error that it lost connection with the device.
Any Help Here? Thanks
PS: I love the idea of being able to use my 8525 for all my work and play needs, but if this update doesn't help make the device more stable, I will have to sell it for something that doesn't crash this much.
hey..iv got same problem.. i think it maybe cause we are using windows vista (thats the only information i can find about it).. i wanted to update ma rom aswell
I'm using XP Pro.
try running it on another system...if available...
anyone know the solution to this?!
OK, have you installed HardSPL ??
Check my SAFE WM5 upgrade guide, if you follow the procedures in there you should be fine.
Yeah, as far as stability goes most the wm5 roms out of the box aren't going to be the best. with any rom i use sktools to tune it up for performance/stability settings. It does this automatically so you don't have to find various registry keys. So don't think just because you are going to another rom everything will be okay.
Read the wiki, search the threads, you will find answers to all your problems.
As far as you not being able to connect what is your spl number? Also, have you tried hard reseting then connecting or trying another computer. I had the same problem when downgrading a black 2.5 with hard spl 2.1 ( i had to downgrade to send it back to cingular). I ended up just downgrading to the highest version of cingular rom which is branded AT&T. It looked like a pretty good rom but I did not play with it.
he does not need hardSPL(at least i dont think so) he is just runnning an update for another cingular ROM, its still the same CID...try running it on another system, i had this same problem and it worked on another system....
Malik05 said:
he does not need hardSPL(at least i dont think so) he is just runnning an update for another cingular ROM, its still the same CID...try running it on another system, i had this same problem and it worked on another system....
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HardSPL will protect him against a faulty SPL flash if it occurs, a newer SPL is likely to be in the ROM update aswell as a newer radio possibly. Having the same CID doesnt matter because if the radio or SPL flashing procedure messes up it can create a bricked device VERY easily (corrupt SPL or even a corrupted CID/Radio BL). Besides if he already has HardSPL that would explain why the RUU doesnt reconnect when the device is in bootloader mode.
mrvanx said:
HardSPL will protect him against a faulty SPL flash if it occurs, a newer SPL is likely to be in the ROM update aswell as a newer radio possibly. Having the same CID doesnt matter because if the radio or SPL flashing procedure messes up it can create a bricked device VERY easily (corrupt SPL or even a corrupted CID/Radio BL). Besides if he already has HardSPL that would explain why the RUU doesnt reconnect when the device is in bootloader mode.
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point well taken...=)
you mention, since he has already gotten HardSPL, why would that mean his device doesnt reconnect in bootloader?
put it in bootloader first and then run the update...
make sure you disable usb connections with active sync put your phone in bootloader and run the update might as well go with WM6 its a lot more stable than any WM5 rom i have played with .
OS crash
I run ROM install then computer shuts itself now my 8525 show hi true color with red/blue/white i tried to hard reset to solve but till hi true color what should i do?
trgrapsonu said:
I run ROM install then computer shuts itself now my 8525 show hi true color with red/blue/white i tried to hard reset to solve but till hi true color what should i do?
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I've run there updates on my 8525. If the computer is shutting itself down, try another computer. This sounds odd. More of a computer problem then a Tytn Problem.
Malik05 said:
try running it on another system...if available...
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=) have you even tried it?
I'm having a problem connecting ActiveSync over USB. When I first got the phone I was able to use that connection. Then I set up BT ActiveSync. I believe at the time I could use either USB or BT, but it has been a while. BT sync was so much more convenient for me that I haven't used my USB connection except for charging the phone.
Today I tried to get set up to upgrade the ROM, but ActiveSync doesn't seem to work over USB anymore. I turned off BT on the phone. When I plug it into my laptop's USB port the laptop makes a sound indicating it sees the connection. It makes a different sound when I unplug it. I also see the orange charge light come on on the phone. I usually charge the phone this way when I am on the road since I don't carry the wall charger with me.
I think at one point I installed a river that I fdound here to access the phone in bootloader moder. Other than veryfying the phone connected this way, I never did anything with the driver. IT has been so long that I don't remember the details. Could that be affecting the connection for ActiveSync?
I have made sure my firewall is inactive. In Windows XP Device Manager I see an HTC USB Sync device under Windows CE devices. Would it be safe to remove that device?
Any ideas how I can get USB ActiveSync to work again?
Is it totally crazy to try the ROM upgrade over the BT connection?
emuyshondt said:
I'm having a problem connecting ActiveSync over USB. When I first got the phone I was able to use that connection. Then I set up BT ActiveSync. I believe at the time I could use either USB or BT, but it has been a while. BT sync was so much more convenient for me that I haven't used my USB connection except for charging the phone.
Today I tried to get set up to upgrade the ROM, but ActiveSync doesn't seem to work over USB anymore. I turned off BT on the phone. When I plug it into my laptop's USB port the laptop makes a sound indicating it sees the connection. It makes a different sound when I unplug it. I also see the orange charge light come on on the phone. I usually charge the phone this way when I am on the road since I don't carry the wall charger with me.
I think at one point I installed a river that I fdound here to access the phone in bootloader moder. Other than veryfying the phone connected this way, I never did anything with the driver. IT has been so long that I don't remember the details. Could that be affecting the connection for ActiveSync?
I have made sure my firewall is inactive. In Windows XP Device Manager I see an HTC USB Sync device under Windows CE devices. Would it be safe to remove that device?
Any ideas how I can get USB ActiveSync to work again?
Is it totally crazy to try the ROM upgrade over the BT connection?
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have you tried changing the setting on your phone "USB to PC"? I would try this first before digging to deep
slavetolustnyc said:
So I recently downloaded the "RUU_Hermes_CINGULAR_WWE_2_1_[1].15.502.3_6275_1.40.30.00_108_Ship" ROM for my 8525, in hopes that it will provide me with a more stable . . . When I try to run the ROM install, I follow all the insturctions but when the update starts to run, it shuts my activesync connection off so . . .
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You may want to try using the Hard SPL v7 and then install your ROM. I did that and all went smooth as silk - six times now. I have been browsing ROMs to see which one suited my needs an personality, and it has been fun. You can find that on my FTP site at ftp://xda:[email protected]/xda_dlz/
This is a dynamic IP Address from a cable modem so two things are true
1. It is subject to change at any time.
2. It is not as fast as some of these speedy servers
But, I do know where it is.
shogunmark said:
have you tried changing the setting on your phone "USB to PC"? I would try this first before digging to deep
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I had tried this yesterday and checked the Enable advanced network functionality box. Today I unchecked it and suddenly the PC saw a new USB device (HTC Sync USB, I think). It still wouldn't sync automatically so I manually executed /windows/repllog.exe. This time it connected.
Some observations:
- After the connection was established the the name of my 8525 was changed to something different (something like WM_ComputerName1, Where ComputerName is my computer's host name). I changed the name back and was able to re-invoke repllog.exe and sync with the old name.
- If I disconnect the USB cable from the phone and plug it in again ActiveSync doesn't connect until I manually run repllog.exe. It does work when I run the exe on the phone manually.
I went ahead and started the upgrade process after connecting by running repllog.
Executing the RUU file from the HTC site first put SPL 1.11 on the phone and left the phone in bootloader mode (with the tricolor screen). I left the phone with bootloader screen and followed the instructions (although by now ActiveSync had shut down so the part about the AS connection that the installer asked for was not true). The progress bars appeared on both the phone and the PC. It took a few minutes to complete, but the update was successful.
After the upgrade I was able to sync over USB without any problems. I am now syncing my contact from Lotus Notes and setting things up to my liking. Once I got over the USB connection problem everything worked fine!

Bricking...

Hi.
I am a bit embarrassed about writing this, I never thought I would make a brick of my Prophet during “upgrades”...
But here I am, with a phone that don't want to sync with any computer after I accidentally pressed cancel on an active sync dialog box asking for setup with a new device, during upgrade to the latest Touch VIII. Have upgraded several times with several different ROM’s before, but this time things went wrong.
If I choose to start my device normally, it goes trough the HTC screen and stops after the Qtek (HTC in Norway) screen listing the different versions of the hardware…
When I restart to boot loader (Cam button + reset) the 3 colours turn up ok, but when I put an USB cable in the device and the lower, left part of the screen shows USB, active sync will not recognise any new device no matter what I do.
I can still find the Prophet when I go to properties on the computer, but somehow active sync does not care about that.
Are there any way to use a program at the host computer to sync properly with the Prophet?
I would really appreciate any help that could rectify this problem.
Regards, Lars Norway
I believe the " WM6 Upgrade Guide" thread has the info you needed.
panda88 said:
I believe the " WM6 Upgrade Guide" thread has the info you needed.
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Tried the info there without success...
The guide assumes that you have connection with ActiveSync, but I can not seem to get connection.
So, I really need some advice about how to make a connection to the computer I will make the programming from, when ActiveSync is not working properly.
Have tried to restart both the device and the host computer, have reinstalled ActiveSync, have tried to start the different roms without having a connection to A.S., but no luck...
Have realized my mistake and bought a new Prophet, but would still like to get the old one working again.
it has nothing to do with activesync.
Not sure u really understand the below statement from the thread I mentioned.
RECOVERING FROM ERROR IN STEP 8 WM5->WM6
1. Don't panic
2. Don't panic
3. Unplug the phone
4. Reset with stylus,and keep the Camera Button pressed.
5. A 3 color screen will appear(Bootloader Screen)
6. Connect your device with your PC,and run the NVID(no vendor) WM5 rom.
7. The device will be resetted after RUU(rom update utility)finishes
8. Repeat the WM6 upgrade,from STEP 5..
in case you can't NVID roms, you can still use those step1 roms mentioned by ROM gurus here.
panda88 said:
6. Connect your device with your PC,and run the NVID(no vendor) WM5 rom.
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Well, the problem is that I am not able to connect...
As far as I understand, the only way to connect is by using ActiveSync?
Regards
connect = the cable between prophet and your pc. after that just run the rom update utility. just dun bother the activesync (does it sound logical to u to establish activesync in bootloader mode?)
OK, I have tried it, but will try on some different computers also.
Posting in a couple of hours.
Thanks for your help so far!
then wish u good luck. happy un-bricking.
OK, same as before.
Depending on which ROM I try, the following messages are the result:
Error [300]: Invalid update tool.
Error [274]: Connection (The update utillity cannot connect to your PDA phone.)
If I try the Touch VIII direct, it stops in Initializing for a while, and then a message appears with the text: Cannot connect to device, Would I like to try again?
Besides, in the welcome screen during the "ROMUpdateUtility_NV_G4.exe" in the Prophet_PV_Temp program, step nr. 2. asks me to ""Establish an ActiceSync connection with your PDA phone."
So, no change from yesterday yet...
are you using windows vistA???
Have only been using computer with XP Pro installed.
Anybody of the opinion that the connection tools built into Vista might do a better job?
hifiasylum said:
Have only been using computer with XP Pro installed.
Anybody of the opinion that the connection tools built into Vista might do a better job?
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No, on the contrary. The best change you have is XP. Zeroed asked about Vista because it could be the reason of your troubles.
What I should do is just one detail different of what you have already tried:
Put the prophet in bootloader.
DISable "allow USB conection" in the conection-setting panel of ActiveSync
Connect your prophet with the USB cable
Run the NVID RUU again
If that is succesfull, you can upgrade to the WM6 ROM you like.
OK, will do.
Tried Vista just now, same errors and no luck.
Be posting in a minute...
OK, now I'm back.
Made a restart of the host computer, changed settings in ActiveSync, startet my device in Bootloader...
But unfortunately, no more success this time either.
Feel that the device must be more seriously defective/broken than others, this mishap happend at the end of the programming, when the 3 partitions were being written in the device. I was loading Touch VIII...
Anybody know if there is any more combination of buttons or reset methodes I could try?
Next step is to start opening the Prophet...
hifiasylum said:
OK, now I'm back.
Made a restart of the host computer, changed settings in ActiveSync, startet my device in Bootloader...
But unfortunately, no more success this time either.
Feel that the device must be more seriously defective/broken than others, this mishap happend at the end of the programming, when the 3 partitions were being written in the device. I was loading Touch VIII...
Anybody know if there is any more combination of buttons or reset methodes I could try?
Next step is to start opening the Prophet...
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Sorry, I'm out of options...
OK.
Thanks again for all help and support.
Really appreciated!
Regards, Lars
hifiasylum said:
OK.
Thanks again for all help and support.
Really appreciated!
Regards, Lars
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Just wondering if your computer detects prophet as a device at all? Does the normal plug device sound comes on when you plug in? Just a long shot, stick in a SD card and try with windows media player to see if it can sync or put files onto SD card. if so, get rom refreshed via SD card...
try few hard resets before you try this.
Not quite sure I understood what you suggested. I can get the device up in the host computers machine properties, but there is no way to get it up in any other program - like the Windows explorer.
Or are you saying that there is a way to boot the Prophet directly from a SD card? That would impress me!!!
hifiasylum said:
Not quite sure I understood what you suggested. I can get the device up in the host computers machine properties, but there is no way to get it up in any other program - like the Windows explorer.
Or are you saying that there is a way to boot the Prophet directly from a SD card? That would impress me!!!
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This sounds dumb, but try restarting your PC, closing all apps running in background (including firewalls), restarting Prophet (with stylus in reset hole). DO NOT TRY TO USE ACTIVE SYNC. Boot into bootloader (Three colours screen), connect USB cable and flash QTEK lastest official, or Jesterz AKU 3.3 (I have found this ROM to have magical powers of unbricking.)
Good luck!
hifiasylum said:
OK.
Thanks again for all help and support.
Really appreciated!
Regards, Lars
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Hmm this is wierd.I ran into problem earlier this month trying to flash a ROM but got stuck somewhere. So I followed the steps given in the sticky thread. Everything work smoothly. I am using XP SP2 and mine is a G3.
Let's make the assumption that your PDA is not faulty. Maybe you can try the steps again but this time :-
1. Change to another USB cable (or you may test the existing cable by connecting to a working pda)
2. Change to another USB port
3. Make sure you are not running any program that hogs the USB resource
4. If you are using USB hub, please don't connect using it. Make a direct connection to your computer.
that's all I can offer now...hope it helps.

Help Needed ! Stuck while upgrading...HTC P4000

I was upgrading my TELUS HTC P4000 with Hard-SPL-MFG.exe. I connected my phone to my pc via USB and followed instructions. The I executed the file from my pc and was able to get the process going for the upgrade. After a few clicks, the application said the task was "Finished" after 30 sec, even though at the beginning it read that it would take 5 - 10 min. Anyways, I disconnected my USB and rebooted my phone. All I got was the same tri colours and the message :-
TITA100 MFG
SPL-2.40.Olipro
CPLD-9
with RUUNBH at the top-right and Serial 1 at the bottom.
Though there a few solutions which are available on the forums, my challenge is that there is since I am not being able to connect the phone via the USB I cant use those other solutions.
I am running XP SP2, I have rebooted the PC, I have changed various options in MS-ActiveSync, however all to no avail. I have even hard booted the phone, but defaluts back to the message "above" after rebooting.
Does this situation have a solution or is my phone, "bricked" ?
Would appreciate some feedback.
does it still say Serial when you plug in the USB after you have restared your PC? (sorry as the devine n00b its my job to ask the nub questions)
Negative. When I connect it to a USB it actually changes from Serial to USB.
Also, when I open MS-Activesync then File then select Connection Settings and then hit "Connect" (With allow USB connections), the response comes back as having USB is available, however the connection does not allow any data transfer thus I cant initiate some of the other solutions which have been recommended (such as run Titanunlocker.bat etc).
Thanks
Looks like you are ok
Sounds like you should be able to run any DCD ROM/radio or the Sprint ROM because it seems to be doing what we want to see after the unlocker is loaded up good.
Madman, That's very interesting. How would i run DCD ROM/radio or the Sprint ROM on the phone, if I phone is not responding to hot/cold boots, pressing the buttons together (pwr+camera etc) and the USB cable does not allow data transfer b/w the PC and camera ? I am lost.
your phone will accept data.
sometimes it akes a couple tries but it will flash.
just run the ruu and it should connect to the phone.
activesync is not used at this point.
sometimes going into activesync and disableing usb will help the ruu connnnect to the phone.
just flash with ruu containing your upgraded rom. I thought the same thing when i did my P4000. you just hafto run the sprint update next and make sure you DONT tap the screen to calibrate. just hard reset and run DCDs or A1s ROM in RUU
Thanks. That has done the trick. Now I do have a functioning device again with has been flashed, I can't seem to find the location to ensure that the GPS has been is set to “On” instead of Emergency Only. Have not been able to find that menu. Other than that, slowly testing other applications and connecting to MS-Exchange soon....
I dont think the GPS is enabled on the flashed device. Still looking for clues and answers !
If you flashed with dcd's rom then GPS is enabled by default....take a few minutes and search the forums, read the GPS threads and you'll find your answers
Thanks. That did the trick. D/L Google maps, played around for 5 min and got GPS to work ! It rocks. Thanks to all on the forum !

[Q] flashing HTC HD2 from TMOUS

Hey everybody,
I'm new to this flashing as well...
I have a Tmobile US HTC HD2...
I installed the HSPL3 after getting the Windows Mobile Device Center...
It was installed successfully, but after that whenever I connect my HTC to my PC, I can hear the ding but my PC is not recognizing my device and there is no connected icon on the HTC as well.
I tried all the USB ports and nothing worked. Without connecting my device to the PC you know you can't flash any roms as well...
Any help please...
sureshkgopalan said:
Hey everybody,
I'm new to this flashing as well...
I have a Tmobile US HTC HD2...
I installed the HSPL3 after getting the Windows Mobile Device Center...
It was installed successfully, but after that whenever I connect my HTC to my PC, I can hear the ding but my PC is not recognizing my device and there is no connected icon on the HTC as well.
I tried all the USB ports and nothing worked. Without connecting my device to the PC you know you can't flash any roms as well...
Any help please...
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Are you trying to do this while your screen has the three colors?
If so....does it say USB at the bottom or serial?
not while bootlegger mode. I used that for installing the hspl3.
my pc didn't discover the connected device and there was no connected symbol (which you get on your hd2 on the top right side, next to 3G n/w symbol).
when I connect, it shows that as a mass storage device on my pc and the safely remove hardware sign shows up.
I hope this explains my problem.
settings menu all settings connections usb to pc tick active sync untick 'faster data' reboot the pc, reboot the phone. Should be fine.
Thanks Sam, it worked. Unticking the 'faster data', did the trick...
Thanks again.

[Q] ActiveSync doesn't work anymore

Sounds like USB port is broken.
Hi all,
I've read a couple of threads for several days now, but none of the answers worked for me.
Problem is: I can connect from my HD2 to my desktop PC (win 7) initially, but when I try to install a new ROM (3.14.407_2), my HD2 restarts, shows the four colour screen and nothing more happens. After some minutes, my PC tells me that my phone isn't connected anymore.
It worked two months ago for the last ROM flash, but now nothing helps.
Tried:
- rebooting PPC and PC several times
- deleting partnership and setting up a new one
- disabling "faster connect" for usb to PC settings - afterwards, PC doesn't recognize any connection at all
- hard reset on PPC
I have no idea what to try next.. I wanted to install HSPL2 and flash the ROM from my SD card, but can't install HSPL2 ... same problem.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Infyrana
I also tried several USB ports on my PC
You think the HD2 USB port is broken? But I was able to transfer data when connected as normal device without active sync.
Do I have any chance to check, whether you are right, without having to send my phone to HTC?
maybe running the update in compatibility mode will help?
I thought the microsoft mobile device center (or however it is called) was made for win7, as the actual activeSync tool cannot be used?
So I can't see a benefit from this, but anyway.. I will try.
You could try using BlueTooth with ActiveSync, thats what I do. I have a "micro" bluetooth adaptor for my laptop and it all works fine... just a bit slower.
A
Infyrana said:
I thought the microsoft mobile device center (or however it is called) was made for win7, as the actual activeSync tool cannot be used?
So I can't see a benefit from this, but anyway.. I will try.
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the compatibility mode for the ROM update file could help becasuse it is a separate application (no guarantee though as I have no way to check it on my PC)
compatibility mode didn't help.
don't have a bluetooth stick ...
no further suggestions?
Just found out, that windows tries to install driver "Qualcomm CDMA Technologies MSM" when I connect my HD2 after starting bootloader.
But it just searches and doesn't find anything. I searched by myself, but didn't find the driver anywhere ...
if you are really determined to update ROM, find the thread on ROM 3.14 here on xda forum, I recall seeing guidelines on installing ROM from SD Card
of course it will not solve your sync problem, but still...
Yah ... I wanted to install HSPL2 to be able to do install the ROM from the SD card (at least that's what I understood - that I need that first), but I can't install it, as I already wrote.
I GOT IT!!!
Finally.. in a forum somewhere in a forgotten corner of the internet.. someone gave an advice to uninstall the windows mobile device center and reinstall it.
After uninstalling, I had some trouble to find it again, but finally got it.
And guess what: it works now.
Windows managed to install the quadcomm driver and I could update my ROM.
Never had such a hard challenge with my HD2.
Thanks everyone who tried to help!

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