I'm currently running DCD 3.0.1, and looking to upgrade to 3.2.2, so I'm trying to figure out whether to use UC or OEM to install my apps. I've read through lots and lots of threads related to both UC & OEM, but can't find any definitive answer as to which is the better method. I would imagine it depends, but depends on what?
From what I can come up with:
UC - pro - easy to change without having to rebuild the ROM
UC - con - need to have SD card in (yes, a minor con, but I had to write something)
OEM - pro - get back to your "optimal" setting quickly - doesn't require installation of apps
OEM - con - need to rebuild ROM to make any change, whether large or small, then reflash
note: I did try searching, so I apologize if there is a post/thread explaining this...
I think that you having a hard time finding a con for UC shows that it is the strongest most stable solution.
OEM is good for some things and installs those things a bit quicker being that they are included in the ROM. UC is a bit slow, but I know that if my sdconfig.txt file is written right things happen the way they should. It is also always there on your card when you need it. This way you can flash everything from your phone without ever needing to connect to the PC (if you have wifi or data plan).
Use UC and post your sdconfig.txt file for us to review if you need more information. Learn more here.
UC is better.
What happens when your favorite program gets updated? With cab installs, you can just overwrite the older cab.
Also, with OEM's, yes you don't have to install anything after the flash, but the more OEM's you include in the ROM, the bigger the ROM. It'll take longer to flash than a clean ROM.
If you don't know what you're doing with OEM's and initflash files, you could also end up with a crap ton of bloat in \Windows bogging down the device even further.
Once UC is setup, and your config file is written, it's very easy to make simple changes to the config. In the long run, it's much more clean, efficient, and easier to maintain.
Looks like I'll be going to UC route, then...thanks for the replies.
(and I've had Sleuth's UC thread bookmarked since he posted it )
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how can i modify registry keys such as htccpl in any rom kitchen? possible at all? or are they always related to the htccpl.cpl in the windows folder? how to modify that one then?
i just can't modify or delete them in neokit.
cheers.
chriskay said:
how can i modify registry keys such as htccpl in any rom kitchen? possible at all? or are they always related to the htccpl.cpl in the windows folder? how to modify that one then?
i just can't modify or delete them in neokit.
cheers.
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Some in reg, some in provxml Check your PM for more detail, friend !
yeah, thanks, mate! i found all entries i need in those provxml files! great stuff!!
now i am almost done with all modifications reverting everything back to "original".
any ideas how to change "hidden" status of a single file? i want to make the templates for notes and office visible.
cheers!
chriskay said:
yeah, thanks, mate! i found all entries i need in those provxml files! great stuff!!
now i am almost done with all modifications reverting everything back to "original".
any ideas how to change "hidden" status of a single file? i want to make the templates for notes and office visible.
cheers!
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I'm not sure what you are talking about, but I do like the word "original".... If you are done, is it worth sharing?
well, as i stated in cloudyfa's thread, i am not a friend of too heavily customized roms even though most of them look pretty cool. everyone is individual and has a different taste. therefore i really liked korand's contribution. unfortunately there were still some minor flaws, such as an incorrect wm6 sound scheme (as i believe), which i could not figure out to fix.
but with cloudyfa's rom providing wpa2 and showing no signs of bugs so far, i just could not resist making my own close-to-originally-offical wm6.1 rom, because no-one seemed to respond to my appeal of making a truely clean version. so i took the challenge myself... and it was quite some lesson and a lot of fun, however, i still do not consider myself a rom cook (yet).
and "yes", i will share it if cloudyfa does not mind and if i will not encounter any problems while testing my "creation" at the moment. i only need to figure something out about user customization. maybe you have an idea since i could not find anything specific on my question:
if uc is enabled, will it still be possible to run autorun from extended rom even though it would be redundant? because there is still the registry key set for autorun destination on extended rom. or can i delete it? or should i leave it for some kind of "dual autorun mode" ?
cheerio.
chriskay said:
well, as i stated in cloudyfa's thread, i am not a friend of too heavily customized roms even though most of them look pretty cool. everyone is individual and has a different taste. therefore i really liked korand's contribution. unfortunately there were still some minor flaws, such as an incorrect wm6 sound scheme (as i believe), which i could not figure out to fix.
but with cloudyfa's rom providing wpa2 and showing no signs of bugs so far, i just could not resist making my own close-to-originally-offical wm6.1 rom, because no-one seemed to respond to my appeal of making a truely clean version. so i took the challenge myself... and it was quite some lesson and a lot of fun, however, i still do not consider myself a rom cook (yet).
and "yes", i will share it if cloudyda does not mind and if i will not encounter any problems while testing my "creation" at the moment. i only need to figure something out about user customization. maybe you have an idea since i could not find anything specific on my question:
if uc is enabled, will it still be possible to run autorun from extended rom even though it would be redundant? because there is still the registry key set for autorun destination on extended rom. or can i delete it? or should i leave it for some kind of "dual autorun mode" ?
cheerio.
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yups, you can still run some application from extende rom.
At windows folder, you will find config.txt . You have to give some command on it.
The command there, is just a RST ( Reset ) . But If you give a command first, it will install some cabs. It all command from AutoRun
This is some command
LOCK: Enable
CAB: \Extended_ROM\TCPMP.CAB
CAB: \Extended_ROM\Cabs\ABCD.CAB
LOCK: Disabled
RST: Reset
the command will install TCPMP.cab and ABCD.cab
share at XDA is always a good one.
With Cloudyfas ROM, there is a provxml file that sets the keys for AutoRun to somewhere in the windows directory. You will have to remove/alter that for autorun from the storage card.
The point of AutoRun is to allow you to install cabs etc before the user can really use the ROM. UC is to provide users with a faster way to set up the ROM. The two can and should co exist.
so if i got it correctly: putting the common command lines of the extended rom autorun PLUS the command lines of sdautorun into this single config.txt file would make the device boot and install from both locations one by one?
so, what are your recommendations about the registry key:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm]
"TurnRadioFlag"=dword:0
"AutoRunCFG"="\\Extended_ROM\\config.txt"
"AutoRun"="\\Extended_ROM\\autorun.exe"
leave it or kill it??
edit: decided to remove it due to its complete redundancy. it is uc already... now i am close to finishing.
edited edit: put it back in. i think it won't hurt and maybe someone still needs it.
cheerio.
One of Cloudyfas ProvXML files overwrites that, so it is completely redundant!
It's called mxipupdate_zz_oemoperators_102_CheckAutorun.provxml
You can look at it and see what it does.
The two AutoRun files (SDConfig.txt and Config.txt) are separate files that run independently. The point of UC is User Customization. All you need to do is make sure SDAutoRun.exe is in \Windows and that the last line of your config.txt file is
Code:
EXEC:\Windows\SDAutoRun.exe
That is all that is needed for it to run.
ok. removed the redundant entries. i was just thinking there might be some way of a "dual boot". but actually this is rubbish. so i leave it as uc as it is.
The point of UC is that the two are seperate. Everything can be achieved with just one of the two systems, but with UC, you (the chef) can install cabs, and the user can install tweaks etc.
Okay I have flashed my telus titan many times using the usb method and the flash card method (prefered) now I would like to learn the kitchen method, which I understand I can modify to include the programs I have to load after I do the flash. I get the buildnb and then selecting the programs I like, what I would like to know is if I want to add my tomtom 7 to the build is this possible. plus some other games that I have. What folder to I add these files to? If there is already a discussion about this could you send me a link.
Cheers
I'm not sure how buildnb works, but I'm more familiar with BuildOS from ppckitchen.org and with that, all you do is copy the stuff you find into a folder and BuildOS loads it in as part of it's stuff you can pick from. I would give it a try and see if it's better/worse/indifferent for you. And the guys at ppcgeeks.com are always posting stuff about the kitchen and custom roms. I don't see much here about the kitchen, it's mostly about custom roms.
jc, the kitchen is quite easy to use. But you cannot just dump programs into it and have them available to select from buildnb. The programs that you have will most likely be in the form of a cab. For use in a kitchen the programs need to be in the form of an OEM. There are tools available to OEMize a cab. Just do a search here and you wiull find the tools you need. Then just dump the OEMs into the existing OEM folder inside the kitchen and then when you run the kitchen the programs will be there for you to select. They will install with the ROM, not after it.
You do have other options if you dont want to OEMize your cabs. You can search for Alex's OEMs at ppcgeeks. There are hundreds of premade OEMs for you to select from.
Another alternative is to keep your cabs and just use UC to automatically install them immediately after you install your new rom. This is the preferred method for most of us now as it leads to less problems and allows for programs to be uninstalled at a later date which OEMs will not allow.
Sleuth255 has an excellent tutorial about how to automatically install all your favorite cabs using UC. Search for it and you wont go wrong.
All you need to do is find OEM packages for the programs you want. If you use DCD's kitchen just add them to the OEM folder. If you use PPC Kitchen just add them to the User OEM folder. Then just select them once you run Build OS.
I'm not sure how buildnb works, but I'm more familiar with BuildOS from ppckitchen.org and with that, all you do is copy the stuff you find into a folder and BuildOS loads it in as part of it's stuff you can pick from. I would give it a try and see if it's better/worse/indifferent for you. And the guys at ppcgeeks.com are always posting stuff about the kitchen and custom roms. I don't see much here about the kitchen, it's mostly about custom roms.
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Hate to break it to you, but this uses BuildOS too, just a different version. Buildnb is just a batch file that g'reloc's and calls BuildOS among other things after BuildOS is run.
I'm trying to learn this stuff too.
Here's some of the stuff that I've found:
OEM Tutorial Thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347361
there's more links at the bottom of the 1st post in the thread
Here's the link to packages - say for Kaiser - So I don't know if they can be used on Titan? Anyone knowledgeable please chime in.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_software_recs
??? All the links on Alex's thread seem to be Kaiser based - how much of this is applicable to the Titan and/or other devices?
I agree that ppcgeeks is a good resource too.
DCD's kitchens seems to be fairly easy to do a build. I'm still learning what I want, which versions to include, what everything that's there does, etc...
In theory it seems simple, I'm not finding the learning curve to be all that easy though. A lot of trial and error. But that's part of the challenge, I suppose.
It would be nice if the people with a lot of experience would chime in with tips, links, and comments that would help gather the information into one place for those of us that are learning - maybe I need to go hunt through the wiki's some more, IDK. But sometimes it seems the more threads I read the more confused I get.
My opinion to all of you...and again..this is just MY opinion...take it or leave it...
Build the rom using the kitchen as is with no added personal OEM's. Install all programs/applications/tweaks after flashing either manually, or much easier by UC.
I've converted a few so far, and they haven't turned back. OEM's can be so messy, and can be a HUGE pain in the ass if you need to uninstall/troubleshoot any problems.
My advice would be to read the entire thread on UC, as well as the threads in the Titan Upgrading forum pertaining to UC (I know I've talked about it quite a bit, as well as many others).
Sound good to me. I'm not one who likes to reinvent the wheel if I don't have to, but I am willing to go through a little extra pain to get what I want. If I can get the same results through UC vs. OEM'ing CABs, I'm game. The OEM'ing of CABs so far for me has been a real pain in the arse.
I will do some more reading on UC since I haven't totally gotten the results from that yet that I want. I'm sure my minor problem with the UC cfg file is not unique.
What about adding some of the nueTools into the DCD roms? Reading the text in the included files - some of them can only be rom'd like the ext'd rom utility. Looking that over, I haven't figured out, with any reasonable confidence, how to add this to DCD's roms. I have searched some, but not extensively on this one yet.
I allreyd flashed a lot and did use a soft spl, but I do not find a proper
explanation what it is.
So, i Think it is the Bootloader ?
Can anyone tell me what a soft and a hard SPL is and does ?
For what do I need it ?
I just got my new Touch Pro bought in UK and now it is here in Germany and I want a german ROM on it as soon as it is available.
Please don´t write your standard answers like WIKI and Search - a forum is here for communication and I did not find the proper answers - only too long threats
Greetings
Marcus
69reichertm said:
....So, i Think it is the Bootloader ?...
....Can anyone tell me what a soft and a hard SPL is and does ?....
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Yep your right on that assumption sir The bootloader does alot of the low level handling of the startup process when you power on the device aswell as handling the process when you flash anything to the device...im sure its far more technical than that but thats a starter explanation Essentially you NEED a bootloader for the device to work at all, the case with many of the HTC devices...other devices are different most likely.
Soft SPL: (normally referred to as SSPL) IS loaded into RAM and allows you to perform some of the operations the standard bootloader would do, naturally with some extra functionality (explained later)
HardSPL: Same sort of thing except it is flashed to the device permenantly, so it replaces the HTC bootloader in your devices flash memory.
Both of these tend to safeguard against corrupting the device by having some fancy workarounds and updates to the processes built into the HTC SPL, and the best part is that they allow you to flash ANY ROM you wish therefor allowing us to use Cooked ROMs and various updates like radio updates and etc...frees the device up quite superbly.
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Please don´t write your standard answers like WIKI and Search - a forum is here for communication and I did not find the proper answers - only too long threads
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Perhaps some mebers feel like adding a general HardSPL page to the wiki for FAQs like this to be answered better than "Search the forum.." since we know its not that good for finding anything.
The Wiki is there for everyone to use and edit so, learn and pass it on
Just a quick question, does any of this interfere with HTC released updated ROMs? Like, when they release a new version on their site, does having HardSPL prevent you from updating?
Hello !
Thank you for your advise.
One more question:
Should I install Hard or Soft SPL ?
I want to try out many ROMS - I think Hard is better, what do you mean ?
Thank you for your help
By the way:
I am a kind of technican - working in IT for nearly 18 years starting fron Novell, Banyan Vines and DOS up to Windows Vista. Also I am a kind of apple Guru, thats why I have certainly an iPhone 2G and 3G.
For business I use HTC devices sind the first MDA. But I lost track a little sind iPhone.
As I am a technic nerc I sstarted with th the Diamond touch again and I liked the device but i swapped this week to the touch pro because of the keyboard, SD Slot an flash light. I love this device.
By the way I also have the new Samsung Omnia 900 here and an unfun Nokia E71 ( I hate this old symbian - looks like last centuty )
So good night and thank you
Marcus
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Just a quick question, does any of this interfere with HTC released updated ROMs? Like, when they release a new version on their site, does having HardSPL prevent you from updating?
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no, raphael hardspl is unsigned, means any rom is allowed, including HTC official roms.
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One more question:
Should I install Hard or Soft SPL ?
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you can only install hardspl. the job of soft spl is to install hardspl.
do not ever try any of the following:
- with SSPL, do not flash anything other than the included SPL NBH files. as extra protection the diamond and raphael SSPL's require htchacker sign (except the version jocky edited) and will reject anything that's not an SPL.
- and do not ever try to flash SSPL as an NBH, especially if it is a diamond or raphael.
Im sorry to disagree with your "don't tell me to use the Wiki".
But this is a fairly comprehensive answer to your question: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions? straight out the wiki.
Ta
Dave
When flashing a new ROM, do u lose all ur settings? Like installed programs, and other customizations?
Do you lose these by installing Hard-SPL?
Jiggs1337 said:
When flashing a new ROM, do u lose all ur settings? Like installed programs, and other customizations?
Do you lose these by installing Hard-SPL?
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Yes - Everything Goes.
No.
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Dave
Thanks Dave.
So what do you guys do? Just reinstall everything one by one after you've flashed the new ROM?
Jiggs1337 said:
Thanks Dave.
So what do you guys do? Just reinstall everything one by one after you've flashed the new ROM?
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There are several things.
UC is short for User Customisation; it is in all the Kaiser ROM's nowadays. l3v5y's Raph ROMs also have it.
Links: l3v5y's ROMs & Main UC Thread.
I use UC to install programs, Provisioning XML (as part of UC) to change registry settings, my xcopyce application to copy folders and active sync to copy contacts, calender etc.
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Dave
Ok, thanks. Seems very complicated. Having to write XML files and such.
when running RaphaelHardSPL-Unsigned_190_1_3.exe, it says all information will be lost on my device. Are you sure i dont lose everything when installing Hard-SPL?
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Ok, thanks. Seems very complicated. Having to write XML files and such.
when running RaphaelHardSPL-Unsigned_190_1_3.exe, it says all information will be lost on my device. Are you sure i dont lose everything when installing Hard-SPL?
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I can't say. I haven't done it, what says you will lose all the info, the RUU or the thread? If it's the RUU, then you should be OK, it's probably the standard message that the proper RUU (used for carrier ROM upgrades) has.
UC is good, takes maybe an hour or two to get setup, but once done, you don't have to do it again and it makes flashing so much fun. I started with just installing CAB's and Copying files, then went onto ProvXML for my registry settings next. The latest version of Schap's Advanced Config (3.0) can export tweaks into a Prov XML file for you. It is worth it if you flash your ROM as often as I do.
Dave
I do love this kind of stuff. Any new gadget i get, i like to do this kinda stuff with it. But its a little overwhelming in this case .
So, using UC, i can set it up so that my settings, such as email accounts, wifi networks + passes, notify settings, etc, as well as all the programs are restored after a ROM flash?
To do this i have to manually go through my registry to find the entries for each of these settings though? No way to just extract my current unflashed devices settings to a file that the new ROMs then use? That would be nice
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I do love this kind of stuff. Any new gadget i get, i like to do this kinda stuff with it. But its a little overwhelming in this case .
So, using UC, i can set it up so that my settings, such as email accounts, wifi networks + passes, notify settings, etc, as well as all the programs are restored after a ROM flash?
To do this i have to manually go through my registry to find the entries for each of these settings though? No way to just extract my current unflashed devices settings to a file that the new ROMs then use? That would be nice
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We are getting a little off topic of the OP now but...
Any tweaks done with schaps Advanced Config can be easiler exported using a "export" menu option.
If you export your registry after flashing, and again after you have all your settings setup right, you can Diff then using a Diff Program and copy the changes into your ProvXML file. Most PPC Regedit programs can export.
Any more on UC, I'd have a read of the UC thread and ask any questions in there. Myself and l3v5y keep and eye on it most of the time and should be able to help fairly quickly.
Ta
Dave
Hello
So my Threat became quite interesting.
One last question foe me.
What File should I download to HARD SPL my Touch Pro.
Is there a file which includes all ? I mean I do not have to modify files inside the cabinet or so ?
Is there a fast link ?
Thank you for all the help - now lets start using the Touch - weekend is near
69reichertm said:
Hello
So my Threat became quite interesting.
One last question foe me.
What File should I download to HARD SPL my Touch Pro.
Is there a file which includes all ? I mean I do not have to modify files inside the cabinet or so ?
Is there a fast link ?
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lol, sure, there is only one package, and you simply click the EXE and it goes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410150
Is it possible to use those backup softwares? Like Spb Backup for example that say "ROM Upgrade Mode — now it's possible to restore data after the ROM upgrade"? Instead of UC and such?
there is a IPL initial program loader (sort of bios)
a SPL secondary program loader (kinda like the ntloader)
and there is a service mode (3 color screen) (the flashprog)
then we have a RUU remote unit upgrader
mft masterfile table
mbr master boot record
and some other shizzle
the device switches the output of the internal usb when device is in 3 colorscreen to a service mode which allows it to overwrite the internal flashdrive .. pretty neat as what it actually does is switching to an internal flashprogrammer which programs the internal flashdrive. this is the same process as is used for your pc at home to update the bios.
the CID celloperator identification code (used for blocking certain rom upgrades)
enjoy..
Soft SPL quesiton
I have a SPV M700 and it's unlocked. I want to install Schaps rom. I have the folowing SPL version 1.07.000. I have't managed to install hard spl. Can I use soft spl to flash it? Can I permanently brake it?
I have tried making some OEMs myself from Cabs (with some success).
I was wondering 2 things.
Does anyone know of anywhere that OEMs are downloadable. I am looking for programs like:
S2P
S2V
S2U2
TouchFlo
iContact
LiveSearch
Opera Mini
Mortscript
Weather Panel
Today Agenda
UL
I am thinking that my problems stem from the final stage
"The next window that appears, known as the 'initflashfiles tab' is for executable and help file links. Select which files you want your links and the folders to place them. Select and apply for each link and when finished, click done to proceed."
Can anyone explain this a little clearer? Do I actually have to do anything in this screen? I would love to be able to cook my own ROMS to make it easier to get my phone where I want it after a hard reset.
Also does anyone know if you can alter the OEMs and cook them. For example, could I replace the default themes in Weather Panel with the Diamond ones so that I do not have to copy from the card when resetting?
Sorry for all the questions but I recently did my first flash and now have the bug and it takes me ages to install everything every time i do it.
I get all mines from ppcgeeks some work with dcd some don't.
I use the UC option in the kitchen and use the OEMizer to create the info for it to install the CABs you want. They must be on your SD Card but it works great. It will also copy files from the SD Card to Main Memory as well. It is supposed to be able to make registry changes to but I never got that to work with just editing the provisional.xml file. OEMizer is great for several settings any ways and you will have your own personal OEM to put in the kitchen to bake.
PPC GEEKS oem.rar for the easy out way or if you are into learnning any of it oemizer works pretty good to.
I have use some on this post.
He does take request.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=25696
Wow, thanks for that last one, I will post some of my requests on there as well. Can't wait to get cooking!
Here are some I have made......
Ok so I am looking at trying to cook a ROM based on the NATF series of ROMs, but there are several things I'm looking to do that I'm not sure of.
My major question is, is it possible to entirely remove TouchFlo3D? While it's pretty, I find it slow, and I don't use it at all (it's one of the first things I disable).
I have some other things I'd like to remove to, like anything to do with the camera (because I have the camera-less version). How do I accomplish these feats?
Thanks!
To remove things out of the ROM either delete/move each respective directory out of the kitchen.
Manila: \OEM\PACKAGE_Raphael_Manila
Camera: \OEM\PACKAGE_Raphael_CAMERA_HTC_Generic
One of the things you'll need to keep testing, is when you remove something, are there other packages that depend on the one you removed. If that's the case it often easier to leave the original package in the ROM even if you don't use it. It will just take a little of the ROM space.
Prepare to flash your phone constantly! ...and welcome to the world of cooking.
-e
just an addition to era2er post,
u may need to remove 0409 (specific to rom lang) folder which contains city database for manila, ControlBlock & AudioManager folder package & remove all registry related to 'manila' in all coding (unicode, etc) for complete cleanup.