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in the opinion of everyone that reads this post i want to see what the best firmware is for the touch pro, everyones input is welcome...i plan on flashing my first rom very soon...the stock rom seems unstable and rough
i have only seen a couple available but am interested in this as well. Especially the Fuze rom.
ez345 said:
in the opinion of everyone that reads this post i want to see what the best firmware is for the touch pro, everyones input is welcome...i plan on flashing my first rom very soon...the stock rom seems unstable and rough
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It's unlikely you'll get an answer to that without telling for what country/network... That is unless you don't use it as a phone
I'm looking for a ROM that is fast in performance and also ROMs that are good on battery life.
Any suggestions?
Currently, I'm using NATF's 2.3 ROM, so this one is pretty early. I don't like to flash ROMs too often, because I have to get in there and load in the files that my phone previously had and I find that to be a pain...right now,
id also like to know your guys's opinions too. i posted this same kind of thread last week and it got shut down by one of the mods... its ok though.
like im having a hard time finding one i want, that has good features+quality+speed and whatnot..
you guys know what i mean?
You can flash a rom pretty fast. I have test most of the roms but what i want and like in a rom may be different then what you want and like. Try all of them and see what you like.
Man you are gonna get so many different answers. It's really up to your preference. Try a few and see what suits you, use PIM Backup or Spb Backup so you don't lose anything. I flash ROMs later at night when I usually don't get much coming into my phone during the few minutes of down time.
The reason we are quick to close "whats the best xxxx" threads is because it usually depends on an individuals opinion on the "best xxxx".
As with most threads of this nature it usually ends up in a poorly backed up argument over a few users who wont back down from the argument.
I'll leave this open for now but should this thread fall into that situation its gonna be locked.
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The reason we are quick to close "whats the best xxxx" threads is because it usually depends on an individuals opinion on the "best xxxx".
As with most threads of this nature it usually ends up in a poorly backed up argument over a few users who wont back down from the argument.
I'll leave this open for now but should this thread fall into that situation its gonna be locked.
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can we have a post just a pool which is your favorite ROM, without any comment or reply?
I've tried almost all the ROM here, and still very intrigued on knowing which ROM is the most used. Also it would help other to give other ROM a chance.
The correct answer is : there is no best ROM.
Or if there is, no one has ever seen it yet. (And it is a build of WinMo7)
Each rom is customized to however the chef desires. That could match your desires exactly, it could not. This, combined with the individual skill and dedication of the amazing chefs to work out bugs, maximize tweaks and release updates, is what makes up if a rom is good or not.
It is your own self who defines good, however.
In terms of battery life:
You will find it will vary a little from rom to rom, naked and manila-free roms usually outperforming the rest. However, if you are truly looking for performance differences, try out a few different radios. Those have an actual large bearing on signal stregnth and battery life.
What roms have I used:
Quick history
Stock ATT Fuze rom + Reg tweaks + manila tweaks - (1-2 days)
ROMeOS (1-2 weeks)
Elite RC2 (1 month)
RRE (2-3 weeks)
ROMeOS (1-2 days)
I dont give version numbers since I choose a rom track and stick with it through the updates. Meaning I flashed all the updated versions to ROMeOS until switchted to RC2, then I did the same thing with RRE. Made it kind of difficult when it was jumping 4.x seemingly daily
Either way, they all performed great, just better in certain areas. Currently I am very happy with the current ROMeOS rom. However, I am eyeballing RC3 and actually considering testing out a few things on the stock att rom once again.
My input!
Well, I’ll take a stab at this. Sounds like you’re in the boat I was in just a few weeks ago, so I’ll try and give as unbiased opinion about the ROM I choose as possible. Because let’s be honest here, there is NO BEST ROM. From what I can tell, all the ROMs in XDA are well though out, and clearly have a lot of hard work invested in them, typically by freelance developers. So they definitely deserve a “Tip of the Hat” as far as all their hard work is concerned.
I actually started out knowing little to nothing about ROM flashing. So naturally I started at Flashing your First GSM Raphael Rom thanks mskip! I was fortunate enough to have had a friend that flashed his Tilt and explained to me the joys of flashing a non-stock ROM to clear up all the bloat ware that’s normally shipped with them. I had a lot of time between when I had ordered my Fuze and receiving it, so that gave me an edge in researching what I though was going to be the best ROM for me ( operative word here, ME ). Because as mrvanx pointed it, the “best” ROM is purely subjective based on the user.
I looked at pretty much all the most heavily posted on/used forums. Read what people had to say about the ROM, the problems they were experiencing, the pro/cons and overall just tried to get the best gist of what people thought about the ROM’s performance.
I looked at Lantis, NATF V4, PROven, Elite RC2 ( also RC3 ), ROMeOS^2, Da_G Clean, DCS-TouchPro-v15, TouchXperience (not yet released) and finally T.i.R. v10 R + P.D.M. 4.1. There’s many others that I’ve not mentioned, not because their any less worthy but because I just didn’t run across them in my search.
Let me say this off the bat. ALL of the above listed were in my opinion amazing looking ROMs. There were things I liked about all of them, and also things that concerned me as far as some of the problems that people were experiencing with them. That said, I realize ( as should everyone ) there will always be problems with the ROM you choose. Even the stock ROM that AT&T subjects you too is going to have problems.
What was I looking for in a ROM? User ability, overall speed and response of TF3D, the programs installed/removed from stock and the look and feel of the TF interface. I was also looking for which ROM I felt had still retained all the functions of the stock ROM with out the added useless software. PPT for instance, I didn’t need, so why would I want a ROM that has it installed, using vital memory when I’m never going to use it?
In the end, I chose T.i.R. v10? Why? The reason may surprise you, because it was blue. Yeah, I know, it’s a dumb reason, but hey, that’s my reason; well at least it’s what initially attracted me. But additionally, it encompassed what the other ROMs had as far as TF3D was concerned, used a minimum amount of memory ( not the best utilization mind you, look to Da_G Clean build for that ). Still retained functions like the FM radio, Quick GSP, Opera 9.5, easy task manager, youtube, ZIP, Labyrinth ( what? The game is addicting! ), G-Sensor Calib, enhanced Camera functions and etcetera. But overall, what I liked the most was the look and feel of TF3D in blue and the new icons.
It really was a toss up between T.i.R., Lantis and PROven. They all had features I liked, but like I said, T.i.R. was a little more unique in it’s graphics. Is T.i.R. the best? No, like I said, what’s best for one, is not going to be best for another. But I like it, and I’m resilient to flash something else at the moment because nothings broke yet, so no need to fix it! Overall, the T.i.R. team did a great job with the visuals and keeping TF3D fast. Clearly faster then the stock ROM, and far cleaner as far as third apps are concerned. It did not have a slid to answer feature, but I found a separate CAB file for that.
Overall, they’re all going to have their strong points and weak points and it’s all a matter of what you find most appealing and how you use your phone on a daily basis. Something’s you may find essential may be features like slide to answer and the in call guard screen. And obviously the keyboard fix if you’re a Fuze user.
I hope that give you, and others, a little insight about what to look for and how to choose. Research, flash and try it. If it doesn’t fit flash something else. Hopefully others join in with what they’ve experienced in flashing. What they like and dislike. (^_^) Bare in mind, the more feed back we leave, the better.
yup, Plazma pretty much covered all the bases!
1 thing that wasn't mentioned is that some ROMS contain some programs that others don't. But people here are more than welcome to supply you with a .cab that will take care of that for you.
Hands Down SSK 1.5 his rom runs smoother and is more stable than any other rom i have flashed including Juicy 4.13, MightyRom4.13, Juggalo's Newest and many more. I know this is just my personal favorite you should try it!!!
energyrom 2.0
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=481402
look at 2nd post. has the new tp2 manilla also. pretty stable and smooth
Quite surprisingly I couldnt find a thread like this, though it is a very interesting one for newbies... I tested Proven Manila HD and Panosha Pro 1.0. I must admit that of the two Proven is better and overall reeeeally nice. Both in terms of graphics/icons and speed and addon apps. I wonder if there is any other ROM worth testing. I repeat: my criteria is:
a) speed
b) stability
c) nice and usefull apps but not too many
d) nice looking and working TF3D (can be HD or TP2).
Any ROM with known issues or bugs that cant be overcome and are important are not fit for me...
Any ROM candidates for testing then to challenge Proven?
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Quite surprisingly I couldnt find a thread like this, though it is a very interesting one for newbies... I tested Proven Manila HD and Panosha Pro 1.0. I must admit that of the two Proven is better and overall reeeeally nice. Both in terms of graphics/icons and speed and addon apps. I wonder if there is any other ROM worth testing. I repeat: my criteria is:
a) speed
b) stability
c) nice and usefull apps but not too many
d) nice looking and working TF3D (can be HD or TP2).
Any ROM with known issues or bugs that cant be overcome and are important are not fit for me...
Any ROM candidates for testing then to challenge Proven?
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the link above is what you want. its awsome. ive tested a few roms and this is a rom with alot of new fetures. 8/10
It’s really all about preference. I have tested out almost every ROM that has been posted in the past two months and they are all nice but I keep going back to RRE ROMs. Here is the thread for the newest build: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=488781
Mine of course
Another vote for Energy
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energyrom 2.0
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=481402
look at 2nd post. has the new tp2 manilla also. pretty stable and smooth
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Another vote for Energy 2.0 - this rom rocks - very fast and stable despite the new TF3d still not being totally ported.
I've been using Energy since I got my Fuze, the latest I have is 1.5, no tf3d, and my memory usage at boot is 150mb free. That is just amazing. I have been into pointui2, it seems to slow after awhile, and has some bugs, but is much prettier and more useful than tf3d. Once the community over at pointui.com gets into it, it may be the best homescreen plugin. On my tilt I used Gsmart touch, and loved it. I need to try a few others, but am a tweak hog and the least memory used normally wins for me.
I have a 20 key Neon 300 that is itching for a new ROM.
Flasher beware!
There are a few ROM's here that I have found to be pretty good. One thing you may want to keep in mind is that once you flash a custom ROM, there is currently no going back. HTC does not offer an upgrade or ship ROM for the NEON 300 US. The best you can hope for at this time is to flash Bills rebuilt ROM. It is still not the original, and any warranty you might have will be void.
Now that said, here is a llist of the ROM's that I am aware of:
HTC Neon200 Build 21046 WWE and RUS
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=518975
It's a pretty decent ROM, as long as you don't mind a little Russian in a few of the apps. I don't speak a word of it, but it hasn't been so bad that I won't use it. It has Manila 2D and the customizer built in. Pretty good ROM in my opinion
SETH´s NEON V3 FINAL & V3 LIGHTER
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419892
Pretty basic but stable ROM, it has a few little extras but nothing that takes up a lot of space. I have not used the "Lighter" version, but I can imagine that is is Lighter than the other edition, lol.
Seth actually has two other ROM's as well. I have not used his V1, but his V2 seems to run pretty well.
If any body has flashed a custom ROM, but decided that they wanted their old ROM back, sadly an original ROM is not available. But, if you click on the link in my signature, that ROM is probably as close as you can get. I personally used it for several months and never had any problems with it.
Well, there you go. There are probably more, but these are the only ones I have used.
My issue is with the touch screen slow downs that seem to be corrected with the s600 touch.dll file. But I have tried to install this from some of the other links on this forum but to no avail. It seems to be designed for other phones besides the neon300 or it just needs to be burned into a rom image for it to work on the 300 in particular.
Big Papa, does your rebuilt rom include this? The stock rom is fine in my opinion only because it isn't bloated out like the ATT stuff but this slow down is so annoying. Thanks.
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My issue is with the touch screen slow downs that seem to be corrected with the s600 touch.dll file. But I have tried to install this from some of the other links on this forum but to no avail. It seems to be designed for other phones besides the neon300 or it just needs to be burned into a rom image for it to work on the 300 in particular.
Big Papa, does your rebuilt rom include this? The stock rom is fine in my opinion only because it isn't bloated out like the ATT stuff but this slow down is so annoying. Thanks.
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The rebuild was intended to be as close to possible as the original ROM. It was built from a stock ROM dump with nothing added or changed. It does not have anything like carrier splash screens or other junk that would be on it if you bought it through a regular phone provider. It is pretty light, and works very well if all you want is a very basic ROM. It's pretty much what you would expect if you purchased it directly from HTC.
I'm pretty much just a layman, I am still just barely learning about programming and modding and the only changes I make are if they are fairly simple to understand, with step by step directions. I usually just read through the threads and listen to what other people say about how well things work, or what kind of problems they have been having. When they go into any detail about coding or Reg editting, I tend to get pretty lost.
Thanks for the response Big Papa Rich. And thank you for building this rom. It could be a nice fall back if I mess things up
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Thanks for the response Big Papa Rich. And thank you for building this rom. It could be a nice fall back if I mess things up
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Oh, I didn't build it. That was bill48105. He did all of the work, I just enjoyed it.
Any word on a 6.5 Rom?
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Any word on a 6.5 Rom?
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note: make sure you read all posts in this thread. Anyways, you have a choice between WM 6.5 and M2D.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=482269
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is there anything new preferably with 6.5 and 20 key working?
Hello everyone,
before I bought my TouchDual, I had a usual HTC Touch. Well, at first the device was horrible slow. Then later on some one released a light ROM which works great till this day (my brother owns the Touch now).
Well, I got the TouchDual, but can't find a slim, fast, stable ROM. Its horrible.
I don't need a overloaded Divice. Just a slim one with all updated drivers and fixed bugs.
Is there anything out there which even comes close? My current ROM is driving me crazy! I prefer an older build it just has to be fast and stable.
PS: Couldn't someone stick a Thread like that? I'm sure plenty people are searching for such an ROM. (Yes I used the search-function)
Dino Crisis said:
PS: Couldn't someone stick a Thread like that? I'm sure plenty people are searching for such an ROM. (Yes I used the search-function)
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The reason why there isn't such a sticky is if you ask 10 people this question, you'll get 8 different replies. There aren't many ROMs for the Nike anyway, so why not try all of it? I did..
It also depends on if you want WM6.1 or WM6.5.
There's not many 6.5 ROMs but NemanjaLO was doing the only Lite ones - as to whether they're completely stable seeing as WM6.5 is still undergoing development well, that's for you to judge.
But, as Lukesky says, it's all down to personal opinion and preference so do a few searches and try some out - you get usually get a good feel for the ROM by people's comments in the thread.
try this one... I've been using the manilla edition of it, and was stable and for a manilla rom packed full with all kind of apps it was fast. I think it will satisfy your needs.
If not, wait untill tWolf sees this thread. He must have flashed every single "basic", "clean" or "lite" version of the roms on this board to his niki and will surely be able to tell you which one was the best
Well I don't need 6.5. I just want an ROM on which I can run Tom Tom smothly, browse for Files and don't get interrupted writing SMS. My current ROM has some very annoying settings.
Such when you use T9 and want to add a custom word, it doesn't automatically switch to ABC-Mode... which is absolutely stupid.
The "Clean Black" Rom doesn't seem too clean with all that stuff on it. Especially the skin...
Where are you Mr. tWolf & NemanjaLO?
PS.: Even though it's right that every ROM has to kinda fit personal need, it is impossible (for people who need their phone everyday) to just try a whole bunch. It's just like buying a car. I need advice for a compact, small, efficient one.
Thanks so far.
If you don't even want the skin, then it's best you cook for yourself, else the lightest nike rom I know has to be this : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=435153&highlight=lite
Can you even use that one with an Nike?
Hi guys.
I would like to flash my first rom but no idea which one to do!
I have a TP on Vodafone.
I use Mobile Shell 3 and would still like to use that after.
What would you reccomend for a first time Rom?
Any suggestions would be a big help.
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Hi guys.
I would like to flash my first rom but no idea which one to do!
I have a TP on Vodafone.
I use Mobile Shell 3 and would still like to use that after.
What would you reccomend for a first time Rom?
Any suggestions would be a big help.
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Ok before This gets closed and it will trust me. The roms are a personal choice. The best advise I can give you is to do a search and see if any of them have issues with SPB. I dont use it but I would guess a manilla free rom might serve you sense it has extra MEM
Agree with all said. There are a lot of good ROMs out there so a lot comes down to personal choice. Read through the ROM threads and look at what is happening for each. A lot of folks have MS3 here and if any of the ROMs are having issues, it will be in the threads. I use MS3 and TF3D with TFDetacher because I like both MS3 and TF3D for different reasons. The threads will let you know about the issues, stability, whether it's pushing a technology (i.e. new MS shaky build) etc.
There are ROMs that come fully equipped with lots of preloaded apps in the ROM and there are some that come as bare as you can get with everything in between. There are some great personalizations that are done by the folks here that look just amazing.
Sorry there's no easy answer, but I think once you start flashing different ROMs you'll get the chance to really see what matches your needs / desires.
Good Luck.... And have fun
Hey everybody,
I am sitting here now for hours and trying to figure out what I need, and what I wont ever use, ...
I got myself a touch pro and now I am trying to find a rom that fits me, or at least to figure out if i do even need a rom.
What I need is a stable phone that works fine with GPS and also stable enough (and with enought battarycapacity) to use the GPS for example 10hours in one turn (don't know even if this is possible from the beginning ).
first of all:
Whats the advantage of WM6.5?
Is a cooked 6.5 Rom possibly as stable as a stock rom from HTC?
Till now I am used to SPB Mobile Shell and I would buy the new version of it, ... is Sense really a good supstitude, and as fast as mobile shell?
Some ROMs come with lots of preinstalled software where I might only need half of it, is it possible to uninstall some of it?
I read somewhere something about QuickGPS, ... is it common and usefull in cooked ROMs?
Are Hotfixes from HTC usually included?
... slowly I get more and more questions in my head, ...
Last but not least:
Is it recommendable to use a cooked ROM if I dont't want to flash my phone for the comming year, and just using a stable and fast phone?
Which ROM would be recommendable if I use it mainly for surfing some pages and GPS and playing a bit around?
Thanks in advance for helping to unscramble my brain ^^
Ps.: Has anybody an experience with Touch Pro and German Vodafone, with different Radios? (As you see I like to stay up to date, but I am too lazy to follow it ...)
In a friendly way I suggest you do some serious reading which is really a FRIENDLY hint. Read the Wiki and Radio threads to learn more about your phone (hardSPL) and some ROM threads. Do n o t assume that all custom ROMs support all languages (my guess is that your local language is German) so - again - you have to look around a little bit.
Custom or cooked ROMs do include a lot of little tools and features (some Chefs put more in some less). Regarding stability, read a little bit through ROM threads currently there are not many unstable ROMs out.
Keep in mind that, pending what base ROM version you chose (called SYS followed by a number 21xxx for example) that it may be a beta OS from microsoft which need not to be "per se" a bad thing.
The biggest suggestion - still - read Read READ to UNDERSTAND what's going on.
A Titanium ROM would be MY choice if you want to continue with SPB Mobile shell (which is good BTW) so no need to have the Manila 2.1 or 2.5 included with the ROM.
Well we were all kind of clueless about this at one point..so I won't flame you for posting this, but please please go and read through the stickies in this forum, and then through a whole bunch of ROM threads before doing anything to your phone. Don't be one of the many retards who post on here asking questions that have been asked a million times.
Couple of things to get you started.
1) use the SEARCH function. It will really help you, just type in your question and you will get an answers..
2) Read these threads:
how to flash your phone:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448008
Wiki Links
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419746
General Help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=477235
3) Once you know what flashing is, what HardSPL is, what a radio is, what a riphone.dll is, and what a rom is, start with a nice simple Windows Mobile 6.1 rom and flash that. Browse this forum and find a [ROM] thread that states its Windows Mobile 6.1, download it, and flash it. I would never advise a newbie to flash WM 6.5..yes it works great et al but if you are new to this you will likely run into issues and end up coming back here.
4) Once you are happy with the basics of flashing, and you have played with your new 6.1 rom, go and take a look at some of the newer all singing all dancing roms based on WM 6.5, which is the latest version of windows mobile available. Again here start with the basics, so one that includes "manilla 2.1", which is currently stable and pretty much finished. This will give you some nice upgrades to your phone which you will not have seen before. Make sure to start with a version that has build "28xxxx" as its number also, as again this is the most stable.
5) Once you are used to that you may want to jump to the 21xxxx series (less stable but much nicer to use imo - this is the "development" series of WM 6.5, which is *not* final or released), and see how you get on with that.
6) If you are feeling adventerous go for a Manilla 2.5 version after this, but ONLY IF YOU HAVE READ ALL ABOUT IT FIRST. 2.5 is full of bugs/issues at the moment, 99% of which are known and have been posted about already.
The key thing here is to READ READ READ and DO NOT sit here posting questions - I guarantee that 99.999% of your questions have been answered already. If you stick to those rough guidelines you will have a good time flashing and will be respected here..happy flashing!
edit: one more thing, I will answer one more question. If you want the most stable and reliable ROM on your phone..do one of two things. Either research lots and play with every single rom you can find until you find the one that works best for YOUR network and area, OR just stick with a stock HTC rom..there is no "middle ground" here..its very simple
Sorry for having my questions out a bit quick
And thanks a lot for the info you gave still!
Just wanted to say that I did read quite a bit (and actually I stopped when I got a headache) so I am familiar with flashing Hardspl and so on, ...
One of my main question (if Manila is a substitude for Mobileshell) is answerd by tyguy, so thanks a lot for that!
Anyway you all do a great job here!! Thanks a lot!
For a German user on Vodafone see my friends and contact Schnitzelbrain he is German and Raphael user ( and maybe Vodafone ) very helpful surely he can help you chose.
I reccomend Chrome ROMs though.
WM 6.5 is more finger friendly than 6.1. If you're new stay away from the SENSE(next generation Manila) as it wasn't designed for your Touch Pro and it takes some tinkering around with. The better handling 6.5 builds are the 21XXX builds as they are "official" builds. Look for 21882. The 28xxx are experimental builds but function fairly well.
Each developer has their own style, so it may take you a couple tries to figure out who matches your style.
one warning about manila 2.5 (sense) is that it's been stated that sometimes the animations will be slower. This is because sense was made with a 1ghz processor in mind, so make sure you keep that in mind as well.
I'm currently using NRG Rom Phoenix 2 and (manila 2.1) it rocks.
SirHanni, just try some of the popular 6.5 roms such as the energy roms...
You need to experience each rom to know it you like everything about it.
For instance I like my current rom because the weather updates to my location.
I also hate the roms with the start button at the bottom.