UPDATE:
I was convinced that my new Touch Pro felt slower and laggier than my good'ol Kaiser, so I decided to test them toe-to-toe.
The Kaiser is running HyperDragon's OPAL ROM and the Touch Pro is running ROMeOS 1.22.
I somehow can't believe that the TP Is so much slower than the Kaiser, or is there a logical explanation that I have not heard about yet? - Is my new device defective?
HELP!
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Hi,
I just traded my good ol' Kaiser for a (German T-mobile) Raphael.
After spending a week getting tired of the white t-mobile branded software I decided to flash a custom rom.
After Trying DCS's v15 and later ROMeOS v1.13, I can't say I was happy with either of the performances of any of them.
Please, I understand the hard work Chefs put into their ROM's and I do not mean to bash on their work. This thread is mainly to figure out what I'm doing wrong, or maybe even if I have a defective device.
After trying out the DCS ROM, performance was pretty damn good... Though my phone kept tossing me errors (Mainly shell32.dll and other .dll and .exe errors). Along with random freezes and reboots.
The ROMeOS seems to be more stable, but it's missing alot of little things I liked about the DCS ROM.
But overall, the snappy speed of the original T-Mobile ROM is gone.
Scrolling the Menu Icons at the bottom was blazing fast, opening files, programs, folders, etc worked just as intended. Though the biggest loss in performance is clearly noticeable by using the album and doing the "circle" gesture to zoom in a picture. With both the DCS and the ROMeOS ROM's the zoom "Stutters in" instead of gently zooming into the picture (Hell, even my old Kaiser is WAY faster and smoother in comparison).
So... is this normal? - am I missing any important upgrades or cabs? Any tips or hints to speed it up a notch?
Thanks!
Weird indeed,i tryed dcs and rome Os,they are both stunning/amazing faster then the original one.
I always do a hard reset before and after flashing a new rom,maybey that will work?
I am coming to the TP from a US T-Mobile Wing. With me upgrading from 64Mb of RAM, this thing is smoking fast. I haven't had the luxury to enjoy some of the amazing devices available in the European/Asain markets, but compared to every US WM device, this thing is a hell of an upgrade.
I can't sympathize at all, simply due to where I've been with previous devices.
Good luck
I've had pretty much every HTC device that has came out since the Wizard, and I've always noticed a big increase in performance after flashing pretty much any custom ROM.
Not so on the Touch PRO.
Even my Kaiser is able to play fullscreen stutter-free video, and I can zoom in and out of pictures without 'lagging into a zoom'. So I'm wondering if my TP is defective.
@Tinuz, yes, I've tried hard-resets (lots of them, before and after flashing a new rom) with the same results.
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TF2D vs TF3d?
How can you compare phones using different programs.... that would be like benchmarking 2 PCs using different benchmarking programs and then trying to compare the results... youre comparing 2d vs 3d.... put TF3D on your Kaiser and then compare them, you might think differently.
yeah exactly, your running tf2d on kaiser and tf3d on diamond, put 2d in diamond and it will go like a rocket!
Plus no addons? why s2u2?
I think the difference is the VGA resolution. AFAIK the high resolution display and the much higher amount of pixels compared to TyTN2 requires a lot more CPU power. So I wouldn't doubt that TyTN2 could be faster than TP. But I imagine living without the VGA resolution anymore.
Yes, I agree with the 2D/3D thing. And again, I'm not trying to say "This is better, or this is faster" I am merely trying to figure out WHY.
Yes, I also believe the VGA resolution requires some more processing power...
But then again... zooming on a JPG picture?
It's not just the 2D/3D manila, it's the overall performance of the device that has me worried, playing videos, opening programs, running programs, etc. The Kaiser seems to beat the Raphael in pretty much everything.
If the main reason is the 3D manila... how come nobody has came up with the idea of making a 2D manila ROM for the TP? The visible differences are minimal and the performance increase is ... well ... a lot. =)
Thanks for your feedback!
Kraion said:
how come nobody has came up with the idea of making a 2D manila ROM for the TP? The visible differences are minimal and the performance increase is ... well ... a lot. =)
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I've been wondering this for some time. I think it might have to do with the whole VGA/QVGA stuff.
tf3d hasn't been completely ironed out yet...so putting it on kaiser still wouldn't represent true performance.
I have an ELFin and am in the process of getting a Raph, and I can tell you guys now that my ELFin with Onyx Ultimate 3.2.1 ROM is lightning fast in most respects, oh and WITH Manila 2D. Let's not forget that ELFin has a 200Mhz processor and no 3D or 2D acceleration. You guys taht are worried should de-activate M3D for a minute and watch your phone come to life. Oh and M2D seems to have been ported to VGA so you guys should give it a shot. Let's wait for a ROM as well though.
Though I do wish M2D had a tad bit more anim. Just adds to visual appeal...
I'm totally happy with my TP speed, maybe probably because Ive never seen a tytn2
Im just unhappy about GPS and signal str
Kraion;2820040
I was convinced that my new Touch Pro felt slower and laggier than my good'ol Kaiser, so I decided to test them toe-to-toe.
The Kaiser is running HyperDragon's OPAL ROM and the Touch Pro is running ROMeOS 1.22.
I somehow can't believe that the TP Is so much slower than the Kaiser, or is there a logical explanation that I have not heard about yet? - Is my new device defective?
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It looks to me like you're comparing a Touch Pro's TF3D interface speed against a Kaisers M2D interface speed. Of course, there's a huge difference. Install M2D on your Touch Pro and disable your TF3D and you will see how it flies.
Related
Hi all,
I am currently using a prophet upgraded from Magician. Just wondered if it really worth upgrading to TyTN. I know that it has a faster processor and a slide out keyboard with the expense of some compromise on the size. To me size is a big factor. And I love my Prophet especially the design. But I would definitely like a faster processor. I dont think I would worry too much about the slide out keyboard. For people who already using TyTN, is it really faster than Prophet apart from the numbers? Is it really worth upgrading?
If you don't want a keyboard wait for the HTC Trinity, meant to be out towards the end of the year
Hmm, it is good one. I wont mind a keyboard as long as it doesnt add to the size. I dont mind a keyboard on my prophet 8)
I would and I did!!
jugulator said:
Hmm, it is good one. I wont mind a keyboard as long as it doesnt add to the size. I dont mind a keyboard on my prophet 8)
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Hi. I too have the prophet but went for the upgrade to the T-mobile variant of the Hermes/TyTN. I don't rgret it at all, but unless, like me, you prefer a keboard, superior camera interface and options and HSDPA (fast Internet at home or over UTMS-3G) and Video calling capabilities, you don't really need it. The 400Mhz CPU is powerful,but unless you intent to heavily multitask or use skype, you won't see any difference in speed if you're running your prophet overclocked at 240MHz! Just my 2 pence worth.
I still have the Prophet (my daughter is using it), but I wouldn't change back to it. :wink:
Thanks for ur reply. For me size does matter. I dont understand why they cant incorporate a keyboard and still make it smaller. I like the tytn, with the jog wheel, keyboard and good processor. But it does look like a brick.
I saw it on the new HTC Diamond. Looks awesome. Is there a way I can get the touchflo 3d? Does anyone know if it will work on a Mogul?
As of right now it does not work on the mogul. People are working on it but unsure if it will actually happen.
There are a few programs that can be made to look similar to TouchFlo3D but, obviously, aren't. They are ThrottleLauncher (closet in my opinion), Wisbar Advance Desktop 2 (jdume made a skin that looks like a duplicate of of TouchFlo3D but it has problems on my device and no scrolling of the bottom bar) and XiaMultiTheme.
If you look in the devloper and hacker forum you can find links to most of these.
ThrottleLauncher is your best bet....... but (always a but with the Mogul, eh) there is the whole no hardware acceleration on the device means the interface is quite jumpy at times... nowhere near as smooth as it should be.
If we had working hardware 3D acceleration, we could potentially get Manila to run on the Mogul... but I don't know how that would work running an app made for 480x640 on a device that is 240x320.
Dear community members,
I need a piece of advice... I am, now for quite some time, an HTC TyTn [a.k.a Hermes] owner/user.
I am seriously considering buying an HTC Touch Pro [a.k.a Raphael]. But I need some advice…
I will try to ask my questions/concerns in an outline style… Please bare with me and try to help…
¤ Is Raphael’s performance superior or inferior to Hermes?
¤ How does the GPS behave? Is it satisfactory?
¤ Is the ROM development community becoming more active? Will it ever be like the Hermes one?
Thank you.
Cheers.
As a Hermes user who has just upgraded to a Raphael, i can tell you this:
- Performance difference is huge. TF3D speed is acceptable out of the box, but with the tweaks offered here on the forum, very fast. But there are loads of other things that make the upgrade worth while: gps, much better sound quality playing music, FM radio, a superb VGA screen, more memory, better surfing experience, youtube client and much more...
- Haven't tested GPS yet
- That is one of the main reason why i upgraded to the Raphael instead of the SE Xperia, because a lot of the Hermes/Tilt cooks are coming over to this forum.
With a little luck the Raph should be the daddy, will be receiving mine some time over the next week.
WDawn said:
As a Hermes user who has just upgraded to a Raphael, i can tell you this:
- Performance difference is huge. TF3D speed is acceptable out of the box, but with the tweaks offered here on the forum, very fast. But there are loads of other things that make the upgrade worth while: gps, much better sound quality playing music, FM radio, a superb VGA screen, more memory, better surfing experience, youtube client and much more...
- Haven't tested GPS yet
- That is one of the main reason why i upgraded to the Raphael instead of the SE Xperia, because a lot of the Hermes/Tilt cooks are coming over to this forum.
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Thank you for your prompt answer
My greatest curiosity was about the overall performance and GPS...
A shame you haven't tried your GPS yet...
Neverhteless, thank you so much.
Cheers and good luck with your new device
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With a little luck the Raph should be the daddy, will be receiving mine some time over the next week.
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Yup! I will be getting mine [according to my plans and if no one decides to drop a piano over my head] on the 29th i.e 6 days form now
Can't wait... I look like a little kid waiting for christmas eve... LOL
Cheers and good luck for both of us and our brand new devices.
I've tried GPS and it finds satellites quickly way faster than my tytn II but not as fast as i would like. I used Garmin mobile xt and visualgpsce to test it.
I had the hermes and the tytn II and this is by far better than both in finger friendliness and in performance.
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I've tried GPS and it finds satellites quickly way faster than my tytn II but not as fast as i would like. I used Garmin mobile xt and visualgpsce to test it.
I had the hermes and the tytn II and this is by far better than both in finger friendliness and in performance.
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Remember getting a fix for the first session is generally the slowest time, with continued use Ive always noticed GPS fixes are quicker....this is using my Holux BT320 with my Hermes......the built in one in the Hermes naturally shows two satelites erroneously which is a shame
(yes i KNOW the GPS doesnt work in the Hermes but it gets a fix on 2 real quick hehehe).
I use TomTom 7 on my Raphael and the first fix was a bit long, but also because i didn´t update my QuickGPS tool.
Second time use was much quicker. Great reception even in bad weather conditions.
I also used to be a Hermes user but the Raphael rocks big time, especially when you run the Raphael Tweaks in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=413562
I'm also curious about the GPS performance. I currently have a Holux GR-230 GPS receiver connected to my Hermes and I'm thinking of upgrading to the Raphael, as I'd like the GPS internal (and many other features, but GPS primarily).
I'm wondering whether the GPS performance is comparable to an external GPS receiver, or if I would have to weigh a better external GPS receiver against a more convenient internal GPS receiver.
On other threads I've seen many response that GPS is good and fine and all that, but I'm just wondering how it compares to an external one. Hope someone can shed light on this.
Hermes against Raphael
Hello,
also used Hermes for last 2 years and now upgraded to Raphael. There is no way how to say, how big difference this is... from style design to VGA, speed - everything is uncomparamble with Hermes. I think, there is other HTC killer machine
Have Raph for about week and half and tried to test everything.
Desing is awesome. Yesterday I take my Hermes out for cottage (it is my wifi router now) and I was supprised, how ugly this device is against Raph.
Display - awesome, this is cool. Compared with qVGA this is cool. Great is also, that there is no display frame above display, so u can easily touch corners with your fingers. Also better touch support is great.
Speed is great, RAM helps very much.
Everything is great on this device. If Hermes was for you right device, as was for me, u will love Raph.
MaRaHoX said:
Hello,
also used Hermes for last 2 years and now upgraded to Raphael. There is no way how to say, how big difference this is... from style design to VGA, speed - everything is uncomparamble with Hermes. I think, there is other HTC killer machine
Have Raph for about week and half and tried to test everything.
Desing is awesome. Yesterday I take my Hermes out for cottage (it is my wifi router now) and I was supprised, how ugly this device is against Raph.
Display - awesome, this is cool. Compared with qVGA this is cool. Great is also, that there is no display frame above display, so u can easily touch corners with your fingers. Also better touch support is great.
Speed is great, RAM helps very much.
Everything is great on this device. If Hermes was for you right device, as was for me, u will love Raph.
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Dear MaRaHoX,
Will you start developing ROMs to Raphael as you did to Hermes?
Cheers.
Kevlar-Source said:
Dear MaRaHoX,
Will you start developing ROMs to Raphael as you did to Hermes?
Cheers.
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Yeah please do MaRaHoX because i´m a big fan of your ROM´s
hi,
i want mount a rom on my tytn that have manilla 2D...where i can find?
I've had a play around with the manilla hermes rom that has been posted, and the all in one cabs from the development thread. My impressions are that manilla 2d will run quite smoothly on the hermes, but at the moment doesn't seem very well integrated with the software its designed to use, ie audiomanager, htc album, opera, and google maps. It is very promising, but as I like to have a reliable, stable phone, I'm sticking with spb mobile shell for now.
I gotta say though that the HTC album software intergrated in is a GREAT piece of software. Its a lot like s2v but a polished version (being from HTC - eye candy).
I believe you can get the cabs to manually install manilla 2D piece by piece. I just stole the bits I liked...
Cheers...
For tytn i find this rom...is it ok? "[20753 is HERE!!!/Manilla2d ALSO][09/18](AlmostNak3d)(V6)"
"HTC_HERMES_S64_WM_6.1_TouchFlo2D_UC_V1 WWE" By starbase64 is a better option. It is fully fuctional and working, but it really stretchs the hardware on the hermes.
Lack of ram is a constant problem, as opening any reasonably large app, causes everything else to close.
It also uses a huge amount of storage space, and because it places so many files in the windows folder, Big Storage is out of the question.
Slightly more successful was installing update 15 from the manilla development thread. I used CRCs 13.0 Naked, and it all worked well, but ram shortages mean that for me at least, it isnt a keeper.
My next release for manilla2d will be very nice!! check it out in a day or so!
Vote please for the best one.
Because there are different sides of each ROM which can work better or worse, I decided not to do in this way as to make decidion by only two options, good or bad ROM, but split them into sectors, so you could vote for every ROM for it's better and worse sides.
Give it from 1 to 5 points for each side of the each ROM.
1) STABILITY-RELIABILITY
2) SPEED
3) GENERAL PERFORMANCE
3) GOOD LOOKING
4) CONVIENENCE IN USING
5) USEFULLINESS OF INCLUDED APPS
Thanks for helping people.
This is by far the best 'current' ROM I've tried...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614158
It is the WM 6.5.5 ROM by lennie. It really revived my 7501. I already loved the fact it was the only 5" screen out there but throwing 6.5 on there really got people looking over my shoulder to see what I was playing with.
1) STABILITY-RELIABILITY D, of the ROMs I tried, the most stable!)
2) SPEED D, though there is the occasional drag, this is the fastest, most stable 6.5 ROM I've tried.)
3) GENERAL PERFORMANCE (, Advantage may not be made for 6.5 but lennie's was by far the fastest of the ones I tried.)
3) GOOD LOOKING (A! Sweet! Totally felt like I had a new phone!!)
4) CONVENIENCE IN USING D, 6.5 is the greatest improvement of WM software MS finally got right. Being able to customize the interface with a little XML experience is a serious plus.)
5) USEFULNESS OF INCLUDED APPS D, though I added OliveTree and MS Reader right away! This phone is a great paperback replacer!!)
Trying Again
Hey Thanks for this thread! I am always looking for the 'best' ROM because eventually it seems they all go belly-up after a few months. I think I need a new battery as well now. (sigh)
Most recently, I had been using the R6.1 MiChY ROM 20931, which served me well enough but has become very sluggish with severe battery drain. I had also purchased SPB Software's Mobile Shell, so I have been using that, but there is a new version so who knows if it is better.
But I am now going to try this one listed above (I think I tried it before but we'll see) and I will let you know what I think. 2 minutes left to download! I am hoping the weird buzzing is a function of OS corruption.
But if not I may take my x7501 apart in an attempt to fix it, now that I picked up the correct tool to open it up. I will have to look to see if someone else did this to guide me.
michy wm6.1 20931
1.) michy wm6.1 R0 clean (20931)
2.) michy wm6.1 2.14Dlight
For me, I find these 2 ROMS fast, stable and functioning well.
I was tempted to think about htc hd2 for a while but i realized that the 5 inches screen of athena still the best for my use.
No way with MiChy 1.60F ROM after 2months of daily use - this is a very poor version for reception/signal strength is very unstable, while most interfaces and utilities including BT are fine, I could not reliably use my cooked T-Mobile AMEO handset at all. Stay well clear from this ROM. I will now painstakingly upgrade to another, will now try the recommended above.
Feedback on its way for this
Michy wm6.1 r0 clean
Try Michy's wm6.1 R0 clean first if you haven't done so yet. That Rom was a hit with many many satisfied users. I didn't find anything that wasn't functioning. WIFI, Bluetooth, 3G connections, GPS, GPRS(phone), all pass the test. The ROM is speedy enough (unless of course you install softwares that leave clutters in your of files windows folder and bloat up your registry or add resident programs that run all the time in the background) Battery life was quite good too. Internet browsing with the latest mini opera was great and if you know how to set up, you will also enjoy youtube streaming from m.youtube.com.
Michy's wm6.1 r2.14D light is another great rom but this rom is for those who like to have very minimum programs installed, not even microsoft word. I used it for a while and love it. But now I am back to michy's wm6.1 R0 clean.
I read a lot of good things about lennie's wm6.5 latest rom but i think there are still things to improve on. I am also doubtful about how battery drainage
for wm6.5 can be better than wm6.1 because i am under the impression that wm6.5 uses a lot of RAM. So, until i am sure that the wm6.5 is able to offer me better battery life or at least almost the same when compared to wm6.1, i will wait before installing the wm6.5 rom. But i like to encourage lennie to keep up the good work in cooking wm6.5 roms for the HTC x7500. As for the wm6.5 interface, i will agree that it does have something new to offer but right now i am happy enough with spb plus because it is feature rich not to mention the ability to start up in safemode should i need to uninstall some stubborn programs.
I think the HTC x7500 is still a great device even though HTC HD2 has now become very popular.
I have tried virtually all the roms available here and my opinion is that the best is a factory rom. Everuting works, no problems
1) stability-reliability