Hi all
first off let me just commend EVERYONE on xda-devs for the work they have put in to make this such a great site/resource/info store
I've been using xda-devs ever since i got my very first htc voyager device, then onto various other smartphones and then i discovered the wonderful world of ppc, way back with himalaya, through to magician/charmer/prophet/wizard/hermes and now of course, RAPHAEL!!!
if you've gotten this far then i thank you for listening to me rambling on
my request is simple:
Is it possible to add a poll to each of the threads for the roms with simple 'criteria' like:
Is this rom FAST
Is this rom STABLE
Good rom?
not so good rom?
simply because, i am hoping this will help avoid some of the most common 'what rom shall i flash' question and also it will give some sort of pointer as to some of the main points of the rom
its just a suggestion, i'd love to know what you all think of it and if it ever comes to fruition!
many thanks to all at RAPHAEL!
My Opinion: No
All the 4 points you mention are subjective...
The only way to find out is to try it yourself, and if that means flashing different rom's
and restoring your favourite programs, use UC or put them together in a directory on your sd card.
You can always get an idea by scrolling trough a thread, that's what I do with 30 messages on a page
Each ROM is very different, and a poll wouldn't work. Just the poll in the radio flashing thread, it doesn't really mean a lot as it's all dependant.
It's worth spending the time and flashing as many ROMs as it takes to get the one you want. I've flashed over 15 ROMs trying to find one I like...
Not only is it subjective, it is quite frankly dumb (if you'll pardon the term)
Every chef endeavors to produce a quality ROM, if bugs appear, they are usually fixed fairly quickly with an updated version (hopefully). Every ROM is a work in progress and the only time the Chef finish it, is when he becomes tired of attempting to improve it.
The best you could ask for is a poll in a separate thread that asks for what ROM you are running and if they follow up post with what they like and don't like about it. However, you will find Flashing Junkies here that will often flash a new ROM weekly if not more often... There would need to be a new poll every week/month and who has that much time.
Having recently purchased a Fuze myself, let me tell you what I did here as a complete newbie:
Sized up the available ROMs and prominent chefs using the wiki and this forum.
Scanned through threads here to figure out who was doing what.
Looked up the various chefs to see what else they've done here at XDA
Made my decision.
As a chef myself, I can say that everything is subjective. There really is no simple way to find the best ROM. The good news is that I found what I was looking for in a single evening.
I think its a descent idea if the Chefs put each new ROM Version in a new thread. If someone releases version 1.0 and it is buggy they may get a bad poll rating. Then by version 2.0 it may be the best ROM ever, but due to all the early bad ratings it would make their overall "score" low.
Anyways this isn't a competition. If we start ranking and voting on the best ROM, it would make other ROM makers give up. People would say ROM-ABC and ROM-123 are the 2 best ROMS and no one can top them. Then all the other Chef's give up and we only have 2 ROM choices. Then these 2 ROM Makers have no competition so their work gets stagnant and they only release new ROMs ever 6 months. Then before you know it we are living in the world of Microsoft and Apple.
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I want to prerequisite this post with the statement that I have read through the raphael wiki and the flash for newbs thread.
I've been a tweaker up till now (Kaiser tweak and now diamond tweak) and finally have gathered up the courage to flash a ROM on my fuze. Couple of quick questions:
First - I'm thinking NATF, any other suggestions on different ROMs and +/- of each? Which is most stable needing least tweaks? I'm on vacation right now and can afford to put in some time on this but once works starts again, 80+hr/weeks, won't have time to mess with this much.
Second - in general, once a ROM is flashed, does it need much work. that is, will I need to keep d/l new updates/tweaks and will it really become time intensive. As mentioned above, if it's going to suck up more time in the future, I might just want to stick with ATT bloat removed and a stock ROM?
Anything else I should know before I set forth??
thanks, I've learned tons from all of you guys/gals on this, fuzemobility, and ATT forums!
I've used NATF, ROMeOS and PROven ROMs. Each worked great for me. I would recommend you test each one to see which one meets your requirements or you like better... just a matter of preference as all 3 are pretty stable.
As for updates, normally there are not much updates unless there are some bugs or something not working as expected. Otherwise, the ROMs are stable enough to run for a while unless a new version comes out and you need the feature or added functionality.
The Fuze is fairly new and the cooks are busy making new ROMs so you may see a release every other day, every week, or once a month... who knows.
I definitely recommend you flash your device with something else instead of leaving the stock AT&T ROM. You'll like your device even more. Even if you don't have time to keep up with the latest release, a cooked ROM will be much better.
Good luck.
NATF for me. It performs the best on my FUZE and is very fast; it destroys the lag of the Stock ATT ROM. But in the end, you have to go with the one that works best for you and your needs.
i've been running RRE by Arupenthall and it has worked great for the last week.
It all depends. In my humble opinion, the level of sofistication goes like this: Da_G>NATF>RRE>ROMeOs>PROven
What I mean by sofistication is basicaly the level of existing softwares on the ROM and "again this is very user dependent" the speed. i exclude Da_G ROMs as they are Manilla ones "completely ripped of most 3rd party software including the TF3D interface" because they are the fastest ever and you can pretty much guess why.
Now if you're going to flash from an original, be prepared for some bugs. It's a "joy Ride" yes, but with some "issues' somewhere. It'll only depend on where you will get the issues and whether you can live with them.
My personal experience which I share with you is the following:
- Being an Egyptian, I did like the NATF ROM but it was too "AT&T" for me
- ROMeos is pretty good and stable but somethings that Monx sticks to in his Roms "which by the way is completely his right" did not appeal to me
- Da_G is super light, super fast but super empty and I use it only if I miss the good old days of my dead i-mate 2020
- RRE and PROven are very competitive and very good as well but I think the PROven one is more accomplished and the RRE is more "AT&T" friendly. These 2 are my favorite candidates right now.
- As for the ELITE one, I cannot give an opinion as I never tried one. In fact I never will until these wonderful ELITE people humble themselves and call their ROM with any other name that do not put them separated from the rest of the NORMAL Chefs who are doing a wonderful job FREE OF CHARGE to our XDA community.
(PLEASE BARE IN MIND THAT THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION WHICH COULD BE BIASED AND COULD BE ALSO WRONG, BUT IS CERTAINLY MY PERSONAL OPINION)
I've looked over the ROMs and the way i picked is just looking at the changelog and the screenshots. Some of them come with tons of stuff, some come with almost nothing. I like the more "nothing" OS so that i can add what i want to add (via CABs) and forget the rest. As a result i chose Da_G's ROM because it's similar to AT&T's minus all their stuff i wont use. I don't need the extra applications some of the others come with but other people out there love those things
Thanks for the input everyone, much appreciated. I guess I'll take a look at a couple of screen shots and go from there....
Great thread. We're not all experts and we haven't all flashed all the ROMs so this is a valuable resource.
Out of curiosity, is there a limit to how many times you can flash a Fuze?
tinpanalley said:
Great thread. We're not all experts and we haven't all flashed all the ROMs so this is a valuable resource.
Out of curiosity, is there a limit to how many times you can flash a Fuze?
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I don't think there is a true physical limit but NATF in his podcast on fuzemobility said he went through 6 tilts in 13 months since he was flashing so often. he thought it might be related to the numerous flashes and the effect on memory (i'm no electrical engineer so I can't add anything to this statement).
For any new comers to flashing, I do suggest listening to the interview with NATF on fuzemobility about pros/cons and other background on the flash process. http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=768
I'm going to go forth and put on NATF so will keep everyone updated.
One quick question though, if flashing NATF, do I still need a radio or does NATF install a radio on his ROM?
Thanks.
never mind, i found the radio thread under raphael..thanks.
Great thread for us noobs
First off let me just say that this forum is great and very informative. With that being said I know that there are a lot of great Rom Chefs that come up with some excellent Rom choices. What I want to know is with so many excellent choices available and so many great chefs coming up with new stuff all the time what made you or what helped you decide which one you were going to use? It doesnt seem like you can go wrong no matter which one you pick but what was it about a paticular Rom that made you decide this is the one for me?
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First off let me just say that this forum is great and very informative. With that being said I know that there are a lot of great Rom Chefs that come up with some excellent Rom choices. What I want to know is with so many excellent choices available and so many great chefs coming up with new stuff all the time what made you or what helped you decide which one you were going to use? It doesnt seem like you can go wrong no matter which one you pick but what was it about a paticular Rom that made you decide this is the one for me?
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really this question is asked quite often but at the end it really boils down to your individual preference. I like alot of different chef's so for me it is extremely hard to stick to one rom for more than a few days... Yes i admit i am a rom flashing junkie ..
I would list some chefs but than that would be discriminating to all the other chefs whos roms i love equally.
It really is a hard thing to pin point your choice to one rom especially for me.
Stability, stability, stability. Repeat after me: Stability.
If something doesn't work, it's not something I'll use. I always check the ROM threads to see how stable something is before I try it. Other than that, I look at which apps are included and which aren't - added bloat that you can't remove is a pain. Likewise if there's a lot of apps you have to add manually that normally should have been included. UC compatibility is a must, regardless.
It is more than understood that the questio, what is the best ROM for my phone? Does not have a valid, absolute, answere. Its more of a whatever suits your needs.
But since the question still remains, and one can easily tell if a ROM is popular by the hits and posts on its corresponding thread. I think that a POLL where people simply say what is their favorite ROM and why, could be of some general help.
So in simple words just vote for your favorite ROM and if you want to, explain why it is your favorite ROM.
This is not a discussion or debate, its a POLL
I Will add your nominees to the POLL as soon as you start posting
My Fuze lost its virginity to NATF, had an affair with Chrome but in the end got married to EnergyRom. Much thanks to all of the Chefs and their hard work keeping us happy!
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My Fuze lost its virginity to NATF, had an affair with Chrome but in the end got married to EnergyRom. Much thanks to all of the Chefs and their hard work keeping us happy!
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^ that pretty much sums up my story haha
Hey guys, a little help, this is the first time I start a poll, i limited it to 15 option but could only think of 2 when I started, how can I add Chrome series? Does a moderator have to do that or as the started of the thread I have to possibility to modify it?
Also could be useful to post as well as you probably did on the ROMS corresponding thread, what Radio seems to work good with your ROM. I like the EnergyROM + 1.14.25.35 Radio
You pretty much have to include all the polling options before people start voting, otherwise it would skew your results anyways...You could have just gone down the first two pages of the ROM development board, and found over a dozen discrete ROMs, FWIW.
FWIW, I do prefer NRG ROMs, but only slightly. All of the most recent crop of Raphael ROMs seem to be cut from the same cloth. The only really interesting new ROM I've seen recently is the one from twopumpchump, and that's really only interesting to me because he pre-packaged a $#!+-load of CHome Panels into the ROM, to make 6.5 a little more feature-rich. At the end of the day, the functionality of even this different-looking ROM is pretty much the same as all other 6.5 ROMs. When I want maximum bang for home-screen action, I still revert to TF3D.
Show me a ROM with an actual unique and functional interface (and I'm not asking anyone to cook in a paid solution like spb mobile), and I will be your biggest spokes-hole ever. Until then, I'll sit on what I've already got.
IMHO,
You poll will only provide value if you first create a checklist (criteria) by which to base the poll on. For example, the first post of the thread should list the functionality/features that one should use to make an informed POLL selection. Example sections could be:
Battery Consumption (1=poor, 5=great)
_ During call
_ During standby
_ During Wi-Fi
- During BT
Interface Speed (1=poor, 5=great)
_ Using TF3D
_ Using Native Mobile UI
Ease Of Use (1=poor, 5=great)
_ Shortcut (app) location
...
etc.
Once you create a comprehensive selection list, it would be necessary to shortlist the ROM's in the actual POLL. For example:
_ Energy 6.1 Std
_ Energy 6.1 Pro
_ Energy 6.5 Pro
_ NATF 4.0
_ NATF 4.5
...
etc.
Ok, I didnt have that in mind, Should I start a new one?
I don't know if I like the idea of this poll. I was on one for a while, I went back to the other, I may try another.. Shouldn't signatures be enough? I like how the chefs do this because they like doing it, and I'd hate to see a popularity contest create any bad blood or jealous feelings.
The other more important thing is that the ROMS are changing all the time, and the 'best' one today may not be that tomorrow...
One thing about a poll like this being up on this forum is that newcomers may just buy their Raphael, come and see this, and pick the leading ROM without looking into the issue in depth, lurking on the different forums, or trying ROMS for themself. I'm glad I actually tried different ROMs instead of getting my loyalty immediately hooked on a favorite.
EDIT: It would however be a lot more scientific/harmless/useful if done as hilaireg suggested, feature by feature. Some ROMS are optimized for speed, some for battery.. some are flashy, some are barebones.
Ok, I agree with burnblue, I have pretty much tried every WinMo6.5 ROM out there, and for the meanwhile stuck with my personal favorite. I'd though that since there are a few radio polls why not make a ROM one just to see what people think about the ROMs they like. And it is clearly stated, this is not for discussions or flaming. It is of popular knowledge that ROMs are created to serve different needs therefore opinions are 100% subjective and not by any means objective. I will post a new thread tonight having in mind all the parameters mentioned above to improve the objectivity of the poll itself.
All suggestions are welcomed and if the majority think that such poll is of poor taste or will start "a popularity contest create any bad blood or jealous feelings." I will not post a new poll and request a moderator to remove this one as well.
I dont feel it would be a terrible idea since it could potentially reduce the number of new threads just to ask the same question. At least if there were one thread kept open questions could be sent to that thread
That said, I think my favorite ROM is Chrome , but also enjoyed Energy and NATF when I used them. They all have their strengths and weaknesses and like its been said one ROM could be the greatest for me, but be the worst for you just depending on personal preference. I prefer TF3D over Titanium, so do not put any extra plugins in titanium anymore. With the use of UC, SASHIMI, or any other user customization program you can have whatever plugins you want withiout installing them individually or using software to disable plugins you dont use.
RRE rocks!!!
I vote that we close the poll. Who cares if there are disenfranchised voters? The exit polls show a strong bias for switching ROMs. We'd then have to face the legal battles between NRG, NATF, and others. They'd want a recount and take it all the way to moderators! CLOSE THE POLLS!!!!
(Just joking here - couldn't resist0
IMO this is kinda silly...I have used everyone’s ROMs and I could vote for who’s is the best right now....but then I would not be able to take my vote back if another ROM caught my eye...so to me that makes this poll silly…can we just agree that everybody has their own needs and preferences and that the work done by all of the chefs is appreciated with out having to vote?
I will only vote if there is an option for undecided or all...because who know what the future holds...
i see how elite project roms arent featuring here. i wish they would not sticky their roms in toe forum... not many people care for their roms it seems.
I dont want to be a total idiot, but can such thing be arranged with a moderator? Like you have only one vote but it can be changed every so many days? and new nominees be updated? Is that possible in a thread powered by vBulletin?
I like RRE.
i want to thank all cheifs. and enjoy testing all of them
I dont want to be a total idiot, but can such thing be arranged with a moderator? Like you have only one vote but it can be changed every so many days? and new nominees be updated? Is that possible in a thread powered by vBulletin?
Don't you think that you can determine the popularity of the roms just by looking at the number of posts in the rom threads? Or the number of posts per day? There aren't many 3,000+ post rom threads out there filled with hate-mail. Just looking at the current poll, you're looking at ~8:1 ratio favoring one of the roms. Take a look at the ratio of posts for the two roms (ok, nrg has a ton of threads). It's something like 3,500:500, which is what you would expect.
Many different ROM's have been cooked for our TG01's now and each ROM brings a new experience / something different. I've personally tried many ROM's on XDA just to name a few theres nosker's, ffboy's, mirom's, and stonrom's but i cant seem to stick with one since im always looking for something better. Now to be fair i dont think any ROM is final yet since theres still alot to be done with our TG01's but i and im sure others would like to know which is the best ROM to use at this very moment.
Now we all use our devices for different things, i personally use it for a bit of everything - browsing the web, checking my email, gps tracking, checking the weather, and of course phone calls ! I seem to find browsing the web needs alot of RAM though so ideally im looking for a stable ROM with plenty of free RAM. I do like sense but from experience its just impossible to get a stable browsing experience with sense installed so im willing to sacrifice those nice looks. My personal favourites have been noskers rom and mirom which has an amazing 96MB free so im likely to be going back to one of those next unless anyone can recommend a better one.
An ideal solution to finding the best ROM would be to post your own experiences with each one, what you've personally used it for ie browsing the web. So im going to suggest we do just that ! Ill be keeping track of this thread so when time allows ill add a list below with our favourite ROM(s) specific to device useage. ie best rom for browing the web, etc. I think its a good idea anyway .
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For some time now we have been closing off "Best Rom" threads. The reasons for this are well known.
In addition to those reasons, asking what is the best rom is akin to asking 20 people what the best beer is; you will never get a single agreed answer from all of them. Its about personal need, personal choice and preference, which can only be defined by YOU.
If you are unsure as to which rom might suit you best, read the first couple of posts of each thread posted by the rom chef. That tells you all you need to know about a particular rom, then list the attributes and decide which ones you would like to try out.
I thought I would post this up here so that there is an awareness, especially amongst new members of XDA Developers, and to help those who wish to pose this question.
Best rom threads will, in future be simply deleted without further explanation.
Please help us to help you by not putting up posts that have to be deleted.
Thank you for your help and cooperation in this matter.
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Thanks for updating me on that i wasnt aware of that rule but it does make sense ... if a mod feels its right to close this thread please do so i just thought a thread for everyones favourite ROM would be a good thing. Each ROM would get a mention in the list for what its best used for according to the posts here and would be updated regularly. I havent seen a chef post what there ROM is best at so i personally think this is needed and it would save others having to try all the ROM's on here like i and others have done ... i guess its like a musician or an artist, a chef cant tell you what there ROM does best, only the users can.
Hi Im looking to install a rom on my phone and was wondering what is the best one out there now?
Try them all out for yourself to find out which is best.
What I would think is best, you could hate for all I Know.
ok, let me chime in here before you get flamed and the thread gets locked. Dont create a thread asking for the best rom. Every phone is different and will respond to ROM's differently. What works for me, may not work for you.
the same suggestion applies to everyone creating a thread like this -- try all the roms and determine which works best for you.
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Hi Im looking to install a rom on my phone and was wondering what is the best one out there now?
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I am sure you are going to be yelled at by many for asking this question ! See, it depends on what your requirement is, some like heavily themed ROM (firmware), some like very light weight ( just better battery, minimal force closures,etc).
why don't you start with something stock like UnNamed, SHOstock ROMs if you don't like and you want more 'customization' then try TASK650's ICS'd and ICScrewD these are themed and a little heavier and have more options to play around!
Give each ROM couple of days and see how it works for your daily use, and choose your final one, also learn how to take Nandroid backup using CWM and take backup before try new one one.
Ones I pointed are here for long and stable.
Good luck!
Geezus .. another one? ..batter down the hatches, there's a storm brewin!
New users should be required to sign a waiver stating that they will NOT under any circumstances, start a New thread asking about which ROM is best.. add that line into the services and agreement checkbox..
sent from my Galaxy SIII ...haha jk, I FOiLed ya!
AFAIK, there is absolutely no BEST ROM as it might be BEST and suitable for you but not for others.
Keep reading through, most of the time when new ROM update released, a first few pages, people keep giving thumbs up and 5 or 6 stars but down the road, they start reporting issue, oh, I can't do this, I can't do that after update.
Expect to pull your hair, scratch your head a few times.
Best rom is whichever one gives u the options u want and does what u need it to do. If you're asking which are more popular and basing your idea off these, just peruse the development section. Usually more popular Roms are at the top or have been around a while and have been thoroughly tested by the user base.
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This is why allowing these threads is bad. They'll just keep on coming. To the OP, had you spent a single minute looking over the first page of threads in here you would have seen this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1484306
Maybe it might have saved you from starting this redundant and useless thread, maybe not. No one ROM is THE BEST because no one uses their phone the same way or has the same needs/expectations. The only way to find which one is best for you is to try them. To figure that out you should read the various ROM's threads in Dev and see what problems/benefits it has and decide for yourself what you can live with. THERE IS NO BEST ROM!
We dont allow "best rom" threads. Each person is different looking for different featuers. Try some yourself and see which one fits you.
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