Hi I'm not that new to cooking ROMS, but I'm by no means an expert when it comes to making one myself.
I have been reading and reading and searching but I can't find a nice clean easy to use kitchen for the GSM Touch Pro anywhere.
My Touch Pro(actually, it's an AT&T Fuze) will be arriving this Thursday(Jan 15th) and I would really love to be able to build my own custom ROM and possibly release it to the community but the community seems to be somewhat lacking in the "Kitchen Department".
I took a good look at NotATreoFan's kitchen. Every OEM is lacking an option.xml file and there are no tools included to actually build the ROM.
I looked at jcespi2005 and JugglerLKR's kitchen and that kitchen seems very non-user friendly.
Coming back to GSM from a CDMA Community, may I ask why there are no complete, user-friendly kitchens here in the GSM world? CDMA has the PPCKitchen, they have tobeychris&Ghettofreeryder's Diamond Kitchen, and they have electronicrice's kitchen for the Touch Pro(CDMA).
I just don't understand why no kitchen like that exists for the GSM Touch Pro. I think it's a really good idea to have a user-friendly kitchen because then anyone can make their own custom ROMs and then you have more variety because everyone has their own style.
Just my 2 cents...
Dan.
i prefer using jcespi's kitchen it is very userfriendly.
On xda you can find the simple steps.
Or do you want a kitchen that does everything on command at it own
just kidding here's a link http://rapidshare.com/files/151114881/Raphael_ROM_Kitchen_v0.62.rar
hmm, the raph kitchens buildos looks almost exactly like ppckitchens buildos, but instead of holding your hand it gives you freedom..
if you prefer the easy to use gui with pre assembled packages, why not use ppckitchen?
Da_G said:
hmm, the raph kitchens buildos looks almost exactly like ppckitchens buildos, but instead of holding your hand it gives you freedom..
if you prefer the easy to use gui with pre assembled packages, why not use ppckitchen?
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I agree, it's too automatic-- no offense, but I want the chef shaping the ROM and not the kitchen Always nice to have personal touch
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I agree, it's too automatic-- no offense, but I want the chef shaping the ROM and not the kitchen Always nice to have personal touch
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Yeah I gotta agree with that. Ive tried ppckitchen and i couldnt handle the lack of control over my files.
If you comfortable with splitting out the payload give Da_Gs kitchen a look. It is fast and has the newest build OS which i think is more efficient. Its posted in the raphael kitchen thread on one of the last pages.
If it helps ive got a small tool which will make the option.xml files in batch form?
Simple process:
get your packages into a common folder
make sure they all have a dsm inside with a valid guid
drag the common folder onto the program
type in the group name you want
the tool creates the option.xml for each package with its name being the folder name and the group being that which you entered at the start.
it defaults the checked values to "true" aswell.
Am at work at the mo so cant post it but will do when i get home if thats any help to anyone?
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If it helps ive got a small tool which will make the option.xml files in batch form?
Simple process:
get your packages into a common folder
make sure they all have a dsm inside with a valid guid
drag the common folder onto the program
type in the group name you want
the tool creates the option.xml for each package with its name being the folder name and the group being that which you entered at the start.
it defaults the checked values to "true" aswell.
Am at work at the mo so cant post it but will do when i get home if thats any help to anyone?
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Hey I like tools I would love to have a look at it.
mrvanx said:
If it helps ive got a small tool which will make the option.xml files in batch form?
Simple process:
get your packages into a common folder
make sure they all have a dsm inside with a valid guid
drag the common folder onto the program
type in the group name you want
the tool creates the option.xml for each package with its name being the folder name and the group being that which you entered at the start.
it defaults the checked values to "true" aswell.
Am at work at the mo so cant post it but will do when i get home if thats any help to anyone?
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That would be awesome!
Sign me up as interested in your tool, mrvanx
Guys
I'm all about getting into this stuff forehead deep so I grabbed jcespi's kitchen tossed my nbh from the stock cingular rom for the fuze just to get started to see if I could figure this out. Am reading through his docu's but I'm a conceptual techie I can talk it but in the onset rely on advice and coaching that being said none of you are baby sitter. Where would you suggest someone in dilemma start; I'd like to contribute more can pick up stuff pretty quickly just need a good starting place to get the hang of this so I too can where maybe a chef's bandana lol. Any advice is as always much appreciated!
While I'm primarily a conceptual techie; I do get my hands dirty once they are dirty enough I won't ask the redundant and sometimes dumbe questions... I promise ... going to download that other kitchen referenced above as I am more of a visual learner and don't mind microwaving some ROMs before I actually pan fry or bake anything.
Thanks again!
-GG
gravesy56 said:
Guys
I'm all about getting into this stuff forehead deep so I grabbed jcespi's kitchen tossed my nbh from the stock cingular rom for the fuze just to get started to see if I could figure this out. Am reading through his docu's but I'm a conceptual techie I can talk it but in the onset rely on advice and coaching that being said none of you are baby sitter. Where would you suggest someone in dilemma start; I'd like to contribute more can pick up stuff pretty quickly just need a good starting place to get the hang of this so I too can where maybe a chef's bandana lol. Any advice is as always much appreciated!
While I'm primarily a conceptual techie; I do get my hands dirty once they are dirty enough I won't ask the redundant and sometimes dumbe questions... I promise ... going to download that other kitchen referenced above as I am more of a visual learner and don't mind microwaving some ROMs before I actually pan fry or bake anything.
Thanks again!
-GG
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Ditto. I would love to start contributing back and would appreciate any sources of where to start.
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Ditto. I would love to start contributing back and would appreciate any sources of where to start.
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This is exactly why I posted this. I'm not looking for a GUI kitchen or anything like that but I am looking for a base kitchen that doesn't involve extensive modification before it can be used.
I will have my Touch Pro by tomorrow afternoon and I want to be able to contribute to the GSM community just like I did for the CDMA community.
i read this thread so here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3171470#post3171470
have fun
(oem rom sys in my thread will work with this, ill make an easier to use one later)
Obviously you didn't read my idiots guide for rom ccoking & use the easybake kitchen, which makes roms with five easy steps involving only deleting or adding packages & 4 mouse clicks.
GSLEON3 said:
Obviously you didn't read my idiots guide for rom ccoking & use the easybake kitchen, which makes roms with five easy steps involving only deleting or adding packages & 4 mouse clicks.
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Never seen it is it a sticky somewhere? I'll search for easybake kitchen and take it from but a link would awesome!
GSLEON3 said:
Obviously you didn't read my idiots guide for rom ccoking & use the easybake kitchen, which makes roms with five easy steps involving only deleting or adding packages & 4 mouse clicks.
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Actually I did read that and I'm not a fan of that method. I prefer a clean base and not a decompiled carrier ROM. Decomped carrier ROMS can become very messy very fast...
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Warning: This ROM Kitchen is for Personal use only, ROM's Created with this Kitchen should not be released on the forum. This is to stop the situation we have on other forums (everyone + his dog releasing roms that change little) happening here.
Firstly, Thanks to:
-Darkforce for the wonderful build
-Olipro
-Bepe
-cmonex
-Pawel062
-ltxda
-mackaby007
-mwang
-mamaich
-Lt.Cmdr.Ivan
-Anyone else ive forgotten (sorry )
Now onto the good stuff:
CE Ver: 5.2.1933
Build: 18533
AKU: 0.7
Pagepool: 16Mb
Download Link:
Here
How-To build an OEM Package:
An OEM Package is just a simple folder containing files and registry settings for the ROM
First of all you'll need a GUID number for your Package.
Go to http://www.famkruithof.net/uuid/uuidgen to get one.
In my case:
283b9db7-cb03-4c1b-820e-ca49b2c3b5db
Necessary steps:
Create a new folder:
OEM/[Your package name]/
Create a empty text file:
OEM/[Your package name]/283b9db7-cb03-4c1b-820e-ca49b2c3b5db.dsm
(The Kitchen will finish this file for you)
If needed:
Create an UNICODE text file:
OEM/[Your package name]/283b9db7-cb03-4c1b-820e-ca49b2c3b5db.rgu
This file could be used to add registry entries to the ROM
First line is:
REGEDIT4
...
and there MUST be a empty line at the end!!
Create an UNICODE text file:
OEM/[Your package name]/initflashfiles.txt
This file could be used to create folders or copy files on the ROM.
Example: Open OEM/OEM_Lang_0409/initflashfiles.dat using a text editor
*Do Not Edit This*
Copy all files you need to OEM/[Your package name]/
If you want an OEM package made and cant do it yourself then donate to the Athena Project and PM me the cab
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Bugs:
Included wrong BuildOS, wont work unless you have Visual Studio 2005 Installed, re-uploading
great work mate will try it
Here it is....download from here!!!
http://www.htc-devs.com/uploads/Athena/Roms/Midget_1990/AP_Kitchen.exe
Enjoy!
just peachy. cheers fellas.
glad i'm not he only one who noticed the rom frenzy on the other forums.
athena = quality not quantity
Thanks bigtime for the Kitchen.. I'm sure ya'll worked your ass off..
Just one update to your 1st post. the GUID Page has moved. This is the new direct link..
Thank you very to all for the kitchen
nice job with the kitchen midget. glad we all agree about the roms.
Midget_1990 said:
Bugs:
Included wrong BuildOS, wont work unless you have Visual Studio 2005 Installed, re-uploading
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Yes Build 18508 !!
But i've got VS2005 !! (without platform builder Windows, CE 5 embedded and all !!! Snifffffff!!!)
Thanks for your job
no, you mis-understand me i mean 'BuildOS.exe' not the build
Running my "own" cooked ROM, works great! Thank you Midget!!
Midget_1990 said:
no, you mis-understand me i mean 'BuildOS.exe' not the build
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Yes, i'm sorry
Thanks
I agree that some of the other forums have been overrun with people making their own ROMs and posting them, but it might be a nice idea for there to be one thread where people can share their work with others if they have cooked their own ROM. When I had my Hermes, I liked looking at what other people had done and it gave people a bit more choice. I'm not saying that PK3.0 isn't incredible (it truly is!) but there might be people who would like to try something else and maybe don't trust themselves with the ROM kitchen.
Hats off to midget for this fine kitchen!
Hi Midget,
Congratulations with the kitchen
I don't own a Athena (Omni is my priority), but I sertainly have a look at this kitchen and see what I can use for the UNI.
Thanks,
Leo
Just sond my hermes, getting an athena soon, and i think its great that here in the athena forum, you have a rula stopping every man and his dog like you said, posting roms. In hermes, everyday, theres some new cook, who just strips down schaps roms, or adds some random program to a rom. There are very few true cooks, and i think you have the right idea here, not letting everyone add their own very indifferent roms to clutter the forum. Maybe it would be an idea to make a thread to either post oem packages, (ive never had much luck making them) or their roms. But i guess then people would discuss each and evey rom in the same thread, and it would be impossible to get the information you need.
Anyways, looking forward to donating to the athena project, and getting ym athena. Is the athena project still going?
x
rorydaredkign said:
Just sond my hermes, getting an athena soon, and i think its great that here in the athena forum, you have a rula stopping every man and his dog like you said, posting roms. In hermes, everyday, theres some new cook, who just strips down schaps roms, or adds some random program to a rom. There are very few true cooks, and i think you have the right idea here, not letting everyone add their own very indifferent roms to clutter the forum. Maybe it would be an idea to make a thread to either post oem packages, (ive never had much luck making them) or their roms. But i guess then people would discuss each and evey rom in the same thread, and it would be impossible to get the information you need.
Anyways, looking forward to donating to the athena project, and getting ym athena. Is the athena project still going?
x
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still going yes, however donations stopped cold after pk's last rom and this kitchen so i ahevnt got a device back yet
no money right now, well none if i want my athena, but after my christmas money comes (im 17 like you midget) ill donate. How much do you need for the new device?
x
rorydaredkign said:
no money right now, well none if i want my athena, but after my christmas money comes (im 17 like you midget) ill donate. How much do you need for the new device?
x
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i dont know ltxda handles teh donations
Midget_1990 said:
i dont know ltxda handles teh donations
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my guess is around 600 usd but i believe thats with shipping.
Hi,Midget.
I'm learnning cook rom. AP_kitchen give me help very well. Many thanks for your work. I have Donated to the Athena Project.
Can you tell me how to translate the AP_kitchen to non-english? I have tried for a long time. but my U1000 always stoped at second flash.
I feel like a noob having to ask this, but are there any cooks around here that are using Bepe's Platformrebuilder? I've made several ROMs for my AT&T Fuze using Raphael Kitchen and I have a fair amount of experience cooking for my old ELF. I recently decided to give Platformrebuilder a go, but am having problems.
I follow along with the video tutorial and am able to create a ROM without errors. The problem is that it hangs on the splash screen after flashing. Normally I would see a hang like this if I made a registry error, but in this case I am cooking a stock ROM with no changes.
Do I need to modify anything before I can cook a stock ROM? I shouldn't need to port anything since I am working with an official hTC ROM. There are not that many references to people using Platformrebuilder, so I'm not sure where else to go for help. The Platformrebuilder forum is not very active.
Thanks,
TrueG
What version of platformrebuilder are u using?
I downloaded the stock kitchen & tools and then applied the update to 2.1.
While reading the Platformrebuilder comments over in the darkforcesteam forums I read a mention that v2.1 added support for AKU5. This made me think that maybe the new version was causing me problems. I extracted the original platformrebuilder.exe from the BASIC_RK.rar and copied over the 2.1 version and voila problem solved. Without changing anything in the kitchen, I built a new ROM and this time it didn't freeze at the splash screen.
I guess I will post this over in the darkforcesteam forum, though I don't know why this wouldn't have come up already.
UPDATE: !Aman! pointed out to me that I need to add 'set OLDKERNEL=1' to 'build_rom.bat' when using the updated exe (v2.1). This variable was not used in the original kitchen, so it needs to be added manually if you use the updated exe. The variable was added to support WM 6.5 ROMs (AKU5). It was not covered in the video tutorial (tutorial was released before update) and the notes are not clear unless you know what AKU5 is. Thanks to !Aman! and ark666 for responding to my questions. =)
trueg said:
While reading the Platformrebuilder comments over in the darkforcesteam forums I read a mention that v2.1 added support for AKU5. This made me think that maybe the new version was causing me problems. I extracted the original platformrebuilder.exe from the BASIC_RK.rar and copied over the 2.1 version and voila problem solved. Without changing anything in the kitchen, I built a new ROM and this time it didn't freeze at the splash screen.
I guess I will post this over in the darkforcesteam forum, though I don't know why this wouldn't have come up already.
UPDATE: !Aman! pointed out to me that I need to add 'set OLDKERNEL=1' to 'build_rom.bat' when using the updated exe (v2.1). This variable was not used in the original kitchen, so it needs to be added manually if you use the updated exe. The variable was added to support WM 6.5 ROMs (AKU5). It was not covered in the video tutorial (tutorial was released before update) and the notes are not clear unless you know what AKU5 is. Thanks to !Aman! and ark666 for responding to my questions. =)
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Glad u got that.
Happy cooking.
where to get it? i googled far'n'away but only useless info...
The XDA post is here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467488
It points to the darkforcesteam forum where there is a lot of information about the kitchen and download links. http://www.darkforcesteam.com/showthread.php?p=3560
You can see the tutorial video here
If you don't want to register on that forum you can download the kitchen, tools and update below....
Kitchen
Toolset
v2.1 Update
Make sure any props or donations go to bepe for his most excellent work!
Kitchen for Iolite - Placeholder
And where is the link?
its a placeolder so its not htere yet
but its coming
thank you verry much for your efforts of making this
keep up the wonderfull job
So this is a topic about non existing things ?
its a post of something hes making and is coming just give it a few days
with this post placed people willl know that someone is working on it
Seems that it is. But it doesn't bother me cause I know that someone working on this.
Just he should give us some more infos.
More info will be available when the kitchen is ready, in the meantime don't post useless words.
any news on the progress udk
dont want to rush youre work and i really apriciate(if its spelled this way)
that you want to put time in this but its almost a month further
and im just eager to flash my phone
As miniterror wrote I am also eager to flash my phone too
Is there any progress for this kitchen?
I hope so. And also it will be very nice if you can include the new image update system, that make possible to update roms without reflash and loose data. Please take a look here(if you don't already done):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520009
I have a kitchen, works properly?
I use the Evirus Visual Kitchen, it works. But cannot flash, because I don´t know, it is my iolite.erv right and I haven´t a CID unlocker.
My Iolite.erv:
Device#IOLITE
RomLang#0407
Version#0001
Language#GER
DPI#96
RES#DPI_96_RESH_240_RESV_320
aku5#False
Dev_Id#IOLI10000
Chunk#64
OS_Id#0X800
NOSPLIT#
XIPBUILD#20765
SYSBUILD#20765
EXTBUILD#20765
XIPHIDED#FALSE
OEMHIDED#FALSE
SYSHIDED#FALSE
LZX#FALSE
OLDSTYLE#FALSE
Base
The red section is my problem, I don´t know, is it right or not.
Greetings
mirko.prinz said:
I use the Evirus Visual Kitchen, it works. But cannot flash, because I don´t know, it is my iolite.erv right and I haven´t a CID unlocker.
My Iolite.erv:
Device#IOLITE
RomLang#0407
Version#0001
Language#GER
DPI#96
RES#DPI_96_RESH_240_RESV_320
aku5#False
Dev_Id#IOLI10000
Chunk#64
OS_Id#0X800
NOSPLIT#
XIPBUILD#20765
SYSBUILD#20765
EXTBUILD#20765
XIPHIDED#FALSE
OEMHIDED#FALSE
SYSHIDED#FALSE
LZX#FALSE
OLDSTYLE#FALSE
Base
The red section is my problem, I don´t know, is it right or not.
Greetings
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Think Dev_Id and Chunk are correct, but don't know about OS_Id (shouldn't it be 0x400)?
Were can you find this info? Anybody?
Somebody has kitchen for HTC cruise 2? Give please to me, only without OEM and SYS (the traffic is limited).
Thanks!
......................
ervius visual Kitchen
Angel_Hranitel said:
Somebody has kitchen for HTC cruise 2? Give please to me, only without OEM and SYS (the traffic is limited).
Thanks!
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This is 372 MB!
Greetings
edit:I tryed to upload a visual kitchen you can create a kitchenfor iolite with it, but it wouldn´t upload. Lay in hospital - use UMTS surfstick
Me utilities interest to disassemble build... How xip to get?
When I´m back from hospital, I´ll give some files for cooking, but not the entire kitchen. Will be 1,03 GB!
I can is wrong I am expressed! I translate from the translator. I have a native assembly, it is necessary to disassemble on SYS, OEM and XIP. What program can be made it?
Ervius visual kitchen works.
I shall go to search. Thanks!
P.S. What devices are assorted by this kitchen?
I am looking for some help, possibly from someone like arag0n85 or FFBOY, i have sucesfully built a 6.5.5 rom using FFBOYs kitchen. My problem lies in adding sense to the kitchen. I have downloaded the sense packages but when i add them to the OEM or SYS folders of my kitchen i get the error "Could not find file 'C:\TG01_ROM_KITCHEN\temp\dump\files\imageinfo.bin'" so after some searching i got Package Creator and fed the sense files through that one part at a time, ie calender then core and so on. This at first appeared to work as BuildOS now asks me which of these i wish to include, so i tick all of them and continue to build and i now get the error "The file 'temp\dump\imageinfo.bin' already exists.
If anyone can help or point me to a thread that can please do, i'm stuck and can't figure a way round the problem
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I am looking for some help, possibly from someone like arag0n85 or FFBOY, i have sucesfully built a 6.5.5 rom using FFBOYs kitchen. My problem lies in adding sense to the kitchen. I have downloaded the sense packages but when i add them to the OEM or SYS folders of my kitchen i get the error "Could not find file 'C:\TG01_ROM_KITCHEN\temp\dump\files\imageinfo.bin'" so after some searching i got Package Creator and fed the sense files through that one part at a time, ie calender then core and so on. This at first appeared to work as BuildOS now asks me which of these i wish to include, so i tick all of them and continue to build and i now get the error "The file 'temp\dump\imageinfo.bin' already exists.
If anyone can help or point me to a thread that can please do, i'm stuck and can't figure a way round the problem
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This is a problem of ffboys kitchen. I have a ROM with SENSE
l3v5y-TG01-Kitchen-200,330th cooked. with this I have no errors.
i hope you understand my english: D
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6028346&postcount=1
I still have the same problem when usings L3v5y's kitchen. May i ask where did you get your sense files and how did you make them into a working package.
Your English is excellent by the way, better than my German.
leeston2379 said:
I still have the same problem when usings L3v5y's kitchen. May i ask where did you get your sense files and how did you make them into a working package.
Your English is excellent by the way, better than my German.
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I have Novembre5 ROM as basis for my ROM.
Then I used the L3v5y's kitchen the ROM dump. created a folder named OEM.
SENSE OEM files added in this folder. Build without errors, ROM burning.
But SENSE does not start. After much, much tuning and error search, now it works. this is a looooooong way to the working ROM.
and help of our chefs, forget it
INFO: ffboys and nokser ROM is not posible to dump!
Thank you for your help, i've figured it out. I was using the wrong type of package builder. I was using a "visual" type as opposed to an "old" type. For any one having the same problems a visual to old convertor can be found HERE.
I was thinking of teaching myself how to cook WP7 for Leo. Ive looked through the HD2 section and the WP7 section. I got myself the kitchen and some basic instuructions, but i have a few questions.
1) where are the langugage files and how can i add/delete language abilities?
2) I can make the default.hvm file and user.hvm file, but how do i open them to edit things?
3) If i screw up cooking my ROM and test it on my HD2, will it brick the phone?
I really dont want to release something, that doesnt work, so if anyone could help me, that would be great!
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I was thinking of teaching myself how to cook WP7 for Leo. Ive looked through the HD2 section and the WP7 section. I got myself the kitchen and some basic instuructions, but i have a few questions.
1) where are the langugage files and how can i add/delete language abilities?
2) I can make the default.hvm file and user.hvm file, but how do i open them to edit things?
3) If i screw up cooking my ROM and test it on my HD2, will it brick the phone?
I really dont want to release something, that doesnt work, so if anyone could help me, that would be great!
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Just for starters, have a look at Yuki's Great tut on cooking WP7, which i believe you already have.
now the questions,
1) i dont know much about this, but usually on x86 platform microsoft has ttf fonts for languages which are linked to system language preference using registry database.
2) they are registry hives, use any registry hive editor from google (works for me)
3) Nope, HSPL protects user from bad flashes in bootloader, MAGLDR protects HSPL by doing flash work in userspace. so if you flash a bad image, power goes off during flash using MAGLDR and DWI, only the data on NAND will be corrupt, you can still boot into HSPL bootloader and MAGLDR and next time you flash a good image, that will boot as well. (you will have to format/clean the partitions ofc if using Android)
Although this is a dev section its not for asking questions, do that in the Q&A forum.
The only posts here should be dev releases/projects/reference etc.
What do you think this section would look like if everybody was allowed to just post questions?? Thats the whole reason the Q&A forums were created in first place.
sorry TheATHEiST, my bad. ill remember that from now on.
@Rick_1995. Thanks for that! should get me started!
nips_uk said:
sorry TheATHEiST, my bad. ill remember that from now on.
@Rick_1995. Thanks for that! should get me started!
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The .hvm files are actually editable in any text editor, as I found out. Just don't forget to convert them back to .hv files like I did.