So I know it's on the GSM thread, but i could find nothing up here. It still confuses me, that the Raphael is almost the same hardware as the G1, all the code is out there for the OS, but why is there no CDMA Touch Pro version of Android? Is the community too small? Is the GSM and CDMA that much more different that it won't be made?
I'd consider it a natural idea. The G1 has great software, but, ugly hardware compared to the sleek, beautiful Touch Pro. And the TP has a hardware keyboard, More ROM, More RAM, and a higher res screen.
there's a lot of differences in hardware.. input being one of the main problems. the lcd, keyboard, etc.. different. its a slow process. maybe when another device comes out that is more like ours, things will change, but right now, its going to be a slow process to get to the point where you can use it as your main os and not just something to barely play around with.
Android on Raphael
There's a thread already going for this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002&page=34
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux
enjoy
Duscrom said:
the Raphael is almost the same hardware as the G1
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Source? Or is it blind speculation?
check this out if you havent already. http://www.htc-android.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=109&sid=a0647401071dc72b17a5a7b178e502ee
http://www.htc-android.com/
Is this thread dead? I haven't seen any progress on CDMA... It's all for GSM?
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Is this thread dead? I haven't seen any progress on CDMA... It's all for GSM?
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When CDMA Android phones are released for there will be real progress.
Agreed. I remember reading about Android that had both CDMA and GSM, but no released phone.... Sad...
that good news，I‘m anxious for it
Ahh they should try getting this working on the Touch Pro,why was it so fast to get it working on the vogue?
Android for HTC
Try here http://www.androidonhtc.com/
It looks promising however they have a status list of the ports here:
http://www.androidonhtc.com/port_status
and it doesn't seem there is anything packaged as of yet for the Raphael/Fuze
They have one for the Diamond which I believe is close but nothing specific.
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Does any one know if any one in the Titan threads (xda or ppcgeeks) will be creating a New Rom based on the leaked Diamond ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394985
The Kaiser community has managed to create one already.
dcd has been talking in the Diamond ROM threads so I would imagine that he will be doing one.
Has any one extracted the components from the ROM?
I was thinking of doing a Diamond Theme, but I would rather save some time if some one already extracted the components.
[email protected]$ said:
Has any one extracted the components from the ROM?
I was thinking of doing a Diamond Theme, but I would rather save some time if some one already extracted the components.
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VetVito over at PPCGeeks has ported over a Diamond ROM and is testing some OEMs now according to his latest post.
would the titan be able to run that well though? I doubt it would be worth it.
Its not the the actuall full rom...just the updated build and such...not the 3d interface...we have no drivers
there are some cool OEM apps in the diamond
it also has aku 1.1 SYS
its very buggy. my standard ROM will not be getting this OS.
I will be updating parts of OEM from it.
since its a test build and clearly buggy, i am not going to mess with bringing over any drivers.
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there are some cool OEM apps in the diamond
it also has aku 1.1 SYS
its very buggy. my standard ROM will not be getting this OS.
I will be updating parts of OEM from it.
since its a test build and clearly buggy, i am not going to mess with bringing over any drivers.
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yes, but i wanted to ask, since i checked out the OEM ROM Pack from the diamond i was able to find out it did contain alot of updated drivers for some of the same hardware the titan had, specifically the WIFI module, i was going to update it myself, but didn't think it would be worth it if ur going to do it on a later build of your own rom MR. DCD. And hey there were even tons of hardware accelerator drivers that may actually work for the titan. wonder if you were able to port em over? probably not since a lot of these drivers are also created for what they were intended for, and that clearly isent the titan.
Regardless i cant wait to see what you have in stock for us with a Diamond based ROM for our titans, for the time being befor i get myself the HTC Raphael.
Its to bad the xperia is only GSM and not CDMA, That really looks like a nice phone, but the Raphael well be nicer maybe...
i already tried making my own cabs for alot of what the diamond offers to put on my titan, but alot of them require massive changes because of QVGA... so nothing really kicked off. and im not talking just picture re-sizing, there was alot of XML changing and .dll modifying (which im not capable of) so i don't even think well be seeing a fully fledged diamond clone rom for our titans any time soon, ESPECIALLY SINCE WERE STILL WAITING FOR THOES DAMN HARDWARE ACCELERATION DRIVERS... UGH... Did they think since its QVGA, that its just not even worth it? well they better be coming with em soon, cause I'm getting ridiculously impatient.
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yes, but i wanted to ask, since i checked out the OEM ROM Pack from the diamond i was able to find out it did contain alot of updated drivers for some of the same hardware the titan had, specifically the WIFI module, i was going to update it myself, but didn't think it would be worth it if ur going to do it on a later build of your own rom MR. DCD. And hey there were even tons of hardware accelerator drivers that may actually work for the titan. wonder if you were able to port em over? probably not since a lot of these drivers are also created for what they were intended for, and that clearly isent the titan.
Regardless i cant wait to see what you have in stock for us with a Diamond based ROM for our titans, for the time being befor i get myself the HTC Raphael.
Its to bad the xperia is only GSM and not CDMA, That really looks like a nice phone, but the Raphael well be nicer maybe...
i already tried making my own cabs for alot of what the diamond offers to put on my titan, but alot of them require massive changes because of QVGA... so nothing really kicked off. and im not talking just picture re-sizing, there was alot of XML changing and .dll modifying (which im not capable of) so i don't even think well be seeing a fully fledged diamond clone rom for our titans any time soon, ESPECIALLY SINCE WERE STILL WAITING FOR THOES DAMN HARDWARE ACCELERATION DRIVERS... UGH... Did they think since its QVGA, that its just not even worth it? well they better be coming with em soon, cause I'm getting ridiculously impatient.
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i didnt look at the wifi driver really..
i played a little bit with drivers last night (i have the cdma diamond rom, not sure if its leaked anywhere yet?) but it seemed that anything of interest has a dependency down the chain that is incompatible. i may give it another try but when i found that, i scrapped that project for other things.
right now i am trying to package/play with the OEM stuff. some of it will make it over.
Cool, but I don't mean to crush hopes, just thought you should know:
The Diamond has 192MB or RAM or 3 times what the titan has and 1.5x what were begging for (128...) we're going to run into big problems. Though the idea of OEM would be cool.
Also on the subject of ROMs the P6500 now has a forum and it's got a rom from it. The 6500 is rumored to have good drivers so that could be cool.
Unfortunately the Raphael will be GSM if the recent engadget news is correct which pus the thing on T-Mobile.
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Unfortunately the Raphael will be GSM if the recent engadget news is correct which pus the thing on T-Mobile.
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the Raphael will also be CDMA... Sprint will have it and hopefully Telus will too...
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the Raphael will also be CDMA... Sprint will have it and hopefully Telus will too...
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really, that's cool! 5 rows of a hardware keyboard. Hopefully VzW will open up by then.
Hey, you probably heard that WP7 has been ported on HD2.
Well, that's a great start. But I think we can try it out... Even it would be a lot buggy or slow or anything else... I think if we contact DFT (Dark Forces Team) they might help us out... I know it's near impossible (because of our ARMv6 CPU. == WP7 needs an ARMv7 CPU which HD2 has it.) But it's not impossible completely... Let's do something about it... What do you say devs?
I'm just waiting for the hackers team is to discuss about this. Because I am only new person in the world PHONE.
im will suporter to u all
Come on ,it will be great to run wp7 on topaz
Oh golly, because you demanding it will sure make them motivated.
When you say "Lets do something" you must mean, "I cant do it, can you do it for me?". Why not learn reverse engineering, and then doing something yourself? Because realy, if you want dev's to do all the work for you, you obviously should stick to the Windows-GUI manipulation level, doubt being spoof-feed will help you.
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Oh golly, because you demanding it will sure make them motivated.
When you say "Lets do something" you must mean, "I cant do it, can you do it for me?". Why not learn reverse engineering, and then doing something yourself? Because realy, if you want dev's to do all the work for you, you obviously should stick to the Windows-GUI manipulation level, doubt being spoof-feed will help you.
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First of all, I don't see any reason to answer you directly. In second, I'm a developer but can't do it alone. I'm asking for help. So just keep learning things. You may someday understand what I was asking for.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a port for the Topaz, and I'd probly try it out... But I'm looking forward to the cracking of WP7 on WP7 phones so that I can upgrade to a new phone and not be stuck with that horrible start screen
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First of all, I don't see any reason to answer you directly. In second, I'm a developer but can't do it alone. I'm asking for help. So just keep learning things. You may someday understand what I was asking for.
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I know you have some developing skills, although I dont know if it goes beyond changing the registry and gui-manipulation, but the system-level developers are unlikely to port the Windows 7 to the Topaz, mainly because its a old device now, outdated and slow.
(And I know that you've got some knowledge because I used eclipse for few days, good ROM)
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I know you have some developing skills, although I dont know if it goes beyond changing the registry and gui-manipulation, but the system-level developers are unlikely to port the Windows 7 to the Topaz, mainly because its a old device now, outdated and slow.
(And I know that you've got some knowledge because I used eclipse for few days, good ROM)
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I appreciate that... But as I mentioned above, it's near impossible... Not completely. Your'e right... Topaz has ARMv6 processor... WP7 requires ARMv7. But i'm talking about experiencing it on Topaz... By the way, I agree with oldness of Topaz... I'm gonna buy a Desire HD
It's wishfull thinking and never going to happen. The best us topaz owners can expect to get for our outdated phones is a 100% working Android.
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The best us topaz owners can expect to get for our outdated phones is a 100% working Android.
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And wouldn't that be great!!!!
That ain't true I find that the ui from wp7 is lite and simple. This can easily be ported to our devices with a little magic. But The part of windows live games or xbox live is the part that our devices cant handle. Our devices aren't old they where made cheap by htc and att to cover some sectors of the market. But our devices could have been easily been made with the same stuff as hd2, as few months passed since each launched.
The ui is simpler than ours and faster I think it could be done......just that I need to finish studying by then to make this. And I don't think of waiting is another great idea. As we are shadowed by what could have been if we had a twin processor to hd2's. But, we bought this and I find it great!
And please respect each other!!!!!
I think it's NOT possible because of hardware requirements.
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I think it's NOT possible because of hardware requirements.
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our device was made of tinking on this.. As I read before it was tought to be ported in form of an upgrade. But it was left in the clouds. And our device have the custom buttons on a new device like android and wp7. Ram can't be a prob. If the UI was made for speed and simplicity. Just the xbox live games won't run properly.
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our device was made of tinking on this.. As I read before it was tought to be ported in form of an upgrade. But it was left in the clouds. And our device have the custom buttons on a new device like android and wp7. Ram can't be a prob. If the UI was made for speed and simplicity. Just the xbox live games won't run properly.
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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AH man! I've been focussing on another site. WWW.htc-pure.com, which I am a moderator. And for years I've been here quietly. but I think I will try to move here to help. Lets see what I can do.
wp7 requires ARMv7 instruction set on cpu. but topaz is just ARMv6 i think. that's why I think it's not possible
Moreover, why would you want WP7? The only thing it has going for it is that it runs smoothly and doesn't crash, which it would NOT do if someone did manage to port it. Better off building skins over 6.5.x; that way you could at least retain functionality...
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AH man! I've been focussing on another site. WWW.htc-pure.com, which I am a moderator. And for years I've been here quietly. but I think I will try to move here to help. Lets see what I can do.
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I am waiting, good luck man
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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actually, hd2 had devices that only need to be (partially) reverse-engeneered. hell some libs etc worked directly from Desire, cotulla took half of its radio SW to get rmnet data working and ...HD7...well it's hd2 without hardware buttons!...
magldr is child's play and development was over in 2 months but they kept it testing for that time to see how phone will respond to tottaly diffrent os.
now find something like that for Touch(something).
htc was lazy with hardware at the time and hackers took advantage of that.
but these devices nature is so much different that every piece of system would have to be homebrew-and devs struggle with android for a long time with sources and inch from their nose. imagine rewriting even basic parts of kernel to support armv6 without any proper source. i truly can't imagine wp7 being done...
even with few developers, reasonable timeframe would be over year or two!
i own 3 htc phones and one td2 just for fun of it, to see evolution of htc's over the years.. go buy yourself hd2 if you really wish to hack the hell out of your phone. they go really cheap - around $200 - and save yourself time
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actually, hd2 had devices that only need to be (partially) reverse-engeneered. hell some libs etc worked directly from Desire, cotulla took half of its radio SW to get rmnet data working and ...HD7...well it's hd2 without hardware buttons!...
magldr is child's play and development was over in 2 months but they kept it testing for that time to see how phone will respond to tottaly diffrent os.
now find something like that for Touch(something).
htc was lazy with hardware at the time and hackers took advantage of that.
but these devices nature is so much different that every piece of system would have to be homebrew-and devs struggle with android for a long time with sources and inch from their nose. imagine rewriting even basic parts of kernel to support armv6 without any proper source. i truly can't imagine wp7 being done...
even with few developers, reasonable timeframe would be over year or two!
i own 3 htc phones and one td2 just for fun of it, to see evolution of htc's over the years.. go buy yourself hd2 if you really wish to hack the hell out of your phone. they go really cheap - around $200 - and save yourself time
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I agree. I'm moving to iPhone 4 or Sensation or EVO 3D...
Hi everyone,
I was just wondering just how big a difference there is to the ROMs for the CDMA and the GSM version of our phones?
I suppose the kernels are at least different, but the main part of the rest of it must be the same.
Back when I had the HTC Magic there were different versions of the mainboard in the phone. At some point someone figured out how to make the .zip install from recovery include both kernels and push the right one to the phone when installing.
Having development of ROMs fragmented is pretty sad, as there is a lot going on in the CDMA forum and not so much in the GSM forum yet (... yeah, you guessed it, I have the GSM version)
Has anyone taken two ROMs apart and compared?
Wire103
Honestly I can say that for right now you're not missing much (it's only exciting until your cool new rom starts to crash randomly). You'll almost definitely get the important stuff like aosp and mini, although it may take a little bit longer. For a GSM phone, you're not in a bad spot though: between the development for the CDMA 3D and the sensation, you've pretty much got all the ingredients for your GSM 3D hahaha.
now that i have an evo 3d ill be differentiating the apks and libs from cdma vs gsm and try to figure out how to have a universal rom for both phones
XOOM got ICS port right now, with everything working well (except face unlock, but hey...)
does that mean anything for us Flyer/View-owners? is it possible to port it to our tablet?
would love ics on the flyer
EDIT: Link: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/highly-functioning-cm9-kang-released-for-the-xoom/
what does it mean to us? That the xoom got an ics port, nothing more or less.
Different hardware types and kernels mean xoom with ics is meaningless to us.
My guess is he was asking if there was a way to port it and mod it to work. What we really need to hope for of CM9.x to arrive that will support the Flyer/Evo View.
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what does it mean to us? That the xoom got an ics port, nothing more or less.
Different hardware types and kernels mean xoom with ics is meaningless to us.
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hahha somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed, or are you always this negative? haha relax
im not stupid, i know that its a diffrent tablet, but this kinds of ports are being done almost daily.
as this fella mentioned, i was thinking of a mod, to get it to work.
He's not being grouchy, just straight forward. You cannot port a ROM complied for a completely different family of hardware and get it to function in any conceivable fashion. You'd be better off with a SDK build of ICS which would possibly boot if you hacked in a boot image, but none of the HTC specific hardware like camera, BT or video would function. There are already efforts underway to build ICS ROMs. Since ICS is built on top of HC, we have most of the pieces to build a vanilla ROM (no HTC Sense). Once HTC comes out with a working HTC device ICS ROM on hardware that is similar to the Flyer (yes some of their phones use similar hardware) that will be the port we want for ICS /Sense Roms.
I would love to have ICS on this device. Considering how much dev interest the blowout sales have generated I think its possible. But I am not going to how my breathe. I have a galaxy nexus but my evo view is still my primary device due to its pen and large screen. My wishlist for the next iteration of this device is: lighter, ICS, sprint 4g LTE in that exact order
Hopefully the fire sales have pushed HTC to keep going.
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I would love to have ICS on this device. Considering how much dev interest the blowout sales have generated I think its possible. But I am not going to how my breathe. I have a galaxy nexus but my evo view is still my primary device due to its pen and large screen. My wishlist for the next iteration of this device is: lighter, ICS, sprint 4g LTE in that exact order
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Reading about ICS on Prime on engadget has made me interested in ICS as well.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/hands-on-with-ice-cream-sandwich-on-asus-transformer-prime/
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He's not being grouchy, just straight forward. You cannot port a ROM complied for a completely different family of hardware and get it to function in any conceivable fashion. You'd be better off with a SDK build of ICS which would possibly boot if you hacked in a boot image, but none of the HTC specific hardware like camera, BT or video would function. There are already efforts underway to build ICS ROMs. Since ICS is built on top of HC, we have most of the pieces to build a vanilla ROM (no HTC Sense). Once HTC comes out with a working HTC device ICS ROM on hardware that is similar to the Flyer (yes some of their phones use similar hardware) that will be the port we want for ICS /Sense Roms.
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yeah i know, but since ive seen others with ics, that made me a bit inpaitient
htc sensation got the ics leaked, and maybe someone can start by playing with that one.
and i dont really care if its manilla or sense, both will do good dont think flyer/view will be getting any ICS official soon, since HC just was released.
if i seemed grouchy, it may be because I am a comp sci major with aspirations of being a software engineer. I view the question as either yes or no and then explain the logic why not. No intentions of rudeness, but I tend to assume I'm talking to ppl with similar backgrounds... At least on the net anyway.
Wooow...okey then...my bad! I should know better..
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We are keeping an eye on the HTC Sensation leak. Right now there are 2 or 3 pages of things that don't work and of course its a different radio and HBOOT. So its a ways out from being useful as a port other than a novelty. By that I mean you might get something to boot, but none of the hardware functions like camera and touch screen would work.
May want to wait for something more stable to port..sounds more like a way to brick a flyer than a novelty.
How much difference is there between sensation and flyer? Also is the radio relevant for the WiFi flyer.
I keep forgetting the are 3g versions of the flyer.
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We are keeping an eye on the HTC Sensation leak. Right now there are 2 or 3 pages of things that don't work and of course its a different radio and HBOOT. So its a ways out from being useful as a port other than a novelty. By that I mean you might get something to boot, but none of the hardware functions like camera and touch screen would work.
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ok, sounds good though!
whats the chances of a HC/ICS mix then, do you know? i mean, using what might be working in ICS (the best of it) combined with the useabilities of the HC.
*modding is not my area, as you might understand by now*
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ok, sounds good though!
whats the chances of a HC/ICS mix then, do you know? i mean, using what might be working in ICS (the best of it) combined with the useabilities of the HC.
*modding is not my area, as you might understand by now*
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May want to wait for something more stable to port..sounds more like a way to brick a flyer than a novelty.
How much difference is there between sensation and flyer? Also is the radio relevant for the WiFi flyer.
I keep forgetting the are 3g versions of the flyer.
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1. ICS is built on top of HC so we already have most of the ICS GUI. Google is already moving some of the ICS features into individual apps like the updated Google Search.
2. Radio is always relevant because it controls GPS, Wifi , and BT in addition to 3g.
I've been using cm7 on other devices and it's my first choice. I don't want any sense stuff....
I have a gsm EVO3D in UK.
The cdma version has official cm7 support? Has there been a cm7 port for the gsm version?
Sounds like you didn't bother to do any sort of reading in the DEVELOPMENT forum for the GSM version, which would have answered your question. +1 for being lazy.
Ok, I accept the critic, you could give me a +10 for lazy....
Can you maybe enlighten me a little? I presume there's no cm7 coming, maybe waiting on the cm9...?
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Ok, I accept the critic, you could give me a +10 for lazy....
Can you maybe enlighten me a little? I presume there's no cm7 coming, maybe waiting on the cm9...?
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Evidently this is a foreign concept to you, but please READ. Go look in the GSM development section, there is a whole thread on it. Do you expect to be spoon-fed? At least make an effort, especially if I just told you where to find the answer.
OK I found the thread a couple of days ago and being new to HTC EVO3D I was hoping there might be more
In the cm7 thread it's plain
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Left to do:
hardware acceleration
bt avrcp
camera
3d
Thats a rom only for devs to play around with...
Surprising because the cdma version has official cm7 with nightlies and only differs very slightly from the gsm version in terms of hardware... apart from the cdma/gsm network they're completely identical in every way....
I think us GSM users got the short straw. It's a shame there's a fragmented development on thus device which doesn't seem to affect many others.
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OK I found the thread a couple of days ago and being new to HTC EVO3D I was hoping there might be more
In the cm7 thread it's plain
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Left to do:
hardware acceleration
bt avrcp
camera
3d
Thats a rom only for devs to play around with...
Surprising because the cdma version has official cm7 with nightlies and only differs very slightly from the gsm version in terms of hardware... apart from the cdma/gsm network they're completely identical in every way....
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Not completely identical, to port it over requires a fair bit of work, plus c7 has it's work cut out with the 3D camera's, chances are it'll never be perfect. Plus stock ICS is going to be another hard nut to crack.
As for the lazyness, simply type up the top in the search panel EVO 3D c7 and that would be it.
post on their forum if you need to check on progress, but it's quite taboo to ask for an update from a dev, they tend to turn green and smoke comes out of their ears if they hear that type of question and you may be face palmed.