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I have 3 quick questions
I'm running DCD's 2.2.6 with 3.27 radio i'd like to upgrade to the latest DCD Rom, but can only find the kitchen, do i have to cook a Rom up myself or will a ROM for Sprint be avaliable?
Second, i use hearing aids and i was curious which version of the ParaAudio file would be best as i need Loud handset/speaker phone option?
Lastly, Is there any programs that will allow me to connect to Yahoo for Chat/Messenger functionalty without using SMS? I downloaded Yahoo 2.0 mobile and it has everything BUT Chat, and i've downloaded eBuddy and JustYak and IM+ for Java but Java on this phone crashes when i go from landscape to portait mode. so i was hoping for some sort of solution outside of Java.
Any help would be great, thanks!
2: No2Chem's nueAudio will allow you to adjust the settings to your liking:
http://www.weienterprises.com/nue/
Discussion thread:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=18575
Thanks!
Cool, that tool is amazing and works great, i've probably got my phone WAY to loud at this point but it's great i can finally hear it..
Also off of that link i was given i found this one:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=17859
For anyone like myself who is new at this modding thing it's a list of popular applications, in it i found a chat program called "Slick" which connects to all the popular IM's it seems to work really well so far.
But i still am unsure where to obtain DCD's latest ROM's as they aren't in his post with the Kitchen.
Thanks!
As for your Instant Messaging. I use Slick (free) it's not too bad, until you get a phone call and it hangs for a second UNLESS you're using wifi (which I do)
http://www.lonelycatgames.com/?app=slick
Hope you like it!
wait, so does eBuddy use SMS? I want a prog that uses SMS for chat. I don't have a data plan, but I do have unlimited txt...
READ everything before downloading please!
This is most likely the first beta(unless the moon turns blue and this beta is flawless) of the new AP 5.0 rom
its late at night and i will probably get a more detailed version of this and a vanilla uploaded tommorow but here is the run down:
most issues from 4.0 fixed hopefully.
new config app is in the works but didn't make it for this beta.
pretty much everything has been updated to latest and includes all working apps from the diamond rom.
album should now be reliable. haven't seen any problems with it coming up yet*knock on wood*
no manila sip since that changed the whole dialog stuff when composing emails and such. probably will end up as a cab in final with option to turn on and off the manila suggestions that replace the microsoft ones.
other things i dont remember
THIS IS FOR SPL 3.5 ONLY!!! IT IS A FULL ROM ALSO AND A BETA
please test app compatibility. also i tried to fix the realvga issues but it seems impossible without cmonex or creator of realvga.
one issue i would like to challenge someone to fix: a dialog should come up when connecting usb that should ask if u want to connect to activesync or mass storage mode. the exe for that dialog works(htcusbtopcdialog.exe or something like that in windows folder) but the dialog doesn't show up. browny points for the one who figures this out.
now here is the rom(remember this is for spl 3.5 only): DOWNLOAD SPL 3.5 ONLY
*note: sorry i had to say spl 3.5 so many times(still probably isn't enough) but i need to make sure some idiot doesnt try this with the old spl 1.XX*
Pawel
Can you make a Vanilla on the old spl please please please please? I don't want to repartition the memory unnecessarily, as it severely limits my ROM options.
Thanks!
eaglesteve said:
Pawel
Can you make a Vanilla on the old spl please please please please? I don't want to repartition the memory unnecessarily, as it severely limits my ROM options.
Thanks!
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dont worry there will be one. it was decided it was no good to do it for AP4 now, but AP5 WILL have one from day one. you have my guarantee for that
p.s.: I meant the final version above, but the beta will also have one tomorrow.
cmonex said:
dont worry there will be one. it was decided it was no good to do it for AP4 now, but AP5 WILL have one from day one. you have my guarantee for that
p.s.: I meant the final version above, but the beta will also have one tomorrow.
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Your answer has made my day. I look forward to tomorrow, and hope can contribute to the testing effort also. Thanks so much.
Woot, trying now.
nice job.. ill stay posted
ssd upgrade?
will this rom support ssd upgrade from the poor microdrive?
can you flash from sdcard or is it just desktop only with this?
EDIT: appears desktop only, the 3.5bootloader keeps saying image not found, tried a few variations of ATHEIMG.nbh but no avail such as ATHE100.nbh ATHIMG.nbh ATHE100IMG.nbh
Cmonex, do you know what image name the new spl looks for?
Flashing With Microsd.....
hey all,
just a note, i have spl 3.5 on my x7501 and have flashed 4 different variations of cooked roms now, including AP 3.0 and a few others, and all from microsd... the only one i have found that WILL NOT flash from microsd is AP 4.0, as i cannot find a .nbh file after extracting the .exe (but it may be possible)...
Anyways, sorry i cannot say for sure that you can flash THIS rom yet as i havent tried it, but you CAN flash from microsd/minisd with spl 3.5 as long as the file name is ATHEIMG.nbh --- ONLY! (as far as i know)
hi
no comments, no screenshot from the 1st users ?
is it possible for you to make a version of AP 5.0 beta without all the extra programs in system and programs menu. Thank's
So far so good. AP5 Seems to be faster than AP4. Installing softwares now. I like the new volume control. Will keep posted.
Playing with it now, thanks a lot again to all!!
Looks very sleek and is definitely a lot quicker than AP4!
I like the new comm manager, but after switching to 128dpi it became unresponsive...
Tapping on any of its icons (WiFi, bluetooth etc.) simply makes it disappear...
Will report more later...
Cheers
THEQUARTZGUY said:
Anyways, sorry i cannot say for sure that you can flash THIS rom yet as i havent tried it, but you CAN flash from microsd/minisd with spl 3.5 as long as the file name is ATHEIMG.nbh --- ONLY! (as far as i know)
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Nope that doesn't work here with either ap4 Irus' 3.5spl rom or ap5.
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In the end I installed at work, as I found a cable in with one of the cameras.
seems much faster that ap4. not felt need to start tweaking too much yet..
Initial thougts, startmenu is set too big for initial load in 192dpi, might be best to turn it off set it smaller for initial run.
new htc home still prevents igo8 from starting. turn it off reboot and works fine.
Replaced htc home with UL and rltoday combo for speed and reliability.
new task manager and popup screen for system state is nice, when you press the new funky icons at the top. turned off task manager and use WKtask though instead as more functional.
Not checked yet what the buffer setting for the SD card is, on AP4 I set it to 256 as larger files loaded faster. But seems good so far.
Can write large files to MD without it corrupting, so maybe it was something in AP4 that was causing it.
Nice big buttons to press to answer calls!
Overall vast improvement.
FWIW i'm sticking with 192dpi for the time being as I like S2P and S2U2 which I'm about to install.
update, as typing had problem #1.
screen locked on incoming call, this was 3rd call I've had but 1st problem. had total commander open and flexmail (but not syncing). Not certain what caused it, can turn off screen with power button so device not hard locked, but reset with pinhole and it's working again.
Tested incoming call after reset with no issues, if I get it again I'll see if I can work out why.
Testing AP5 BETA
I have installed the AP5 beta this morning and it is working great. So far i have found only one change needed. But that is not an issue with using this rom. The first screen after reset is shows "Smart mobility, Featuring AP4" and it should say AP5.
Bluetooth, Wifi, and other software problems which we had in the AP4 are gone . It is a very good work by AP team. Thanks to all.
Before you release the AP5 can you please update the WKTask to version 1.173c which is the latest.
Anyone struggling with AP4 SPL 3.5 should try this. You will love it. Once again Thanks for the AP Team. Some screenshots from my device with AP5 Beta
Opera 9.5 build 781 with AP5 not working
I installed Opera 9.5 build 781 in AP5. It installed without problems, but I couldnt open Opera. Anybody else have the same problem ?.
Other softwares I tried and are working fine are
SPB Diary, SPB Finance, SPB Wallet, SPB Mobile Shell 2.1, Pocket Informant 8, Resco Photo Viewer Pro, Resco Keyboard and Resco File Explorer.
Thanks again for the ROM.
Thanks once again for your work.
New icon of Bluetooth in the bar of tasks.
New icon of 3g and bar of signal
It does not turn the single screen?
Good bare speed (Far better for my pleasure)
New system of tasks… when pressing on the icons in the bar of tasks appears to us a screen to use with the fingers… half strange… will be necessary to be accustomed….
Garmin XT follows without working. Why... Why....????
Bye!!!!
atomicmanu said:
I installed Opera 9.5 build 781 in AP5. It installed without problems, but I couldnt open Opera. Anybody else have the same problem ?.
Other softwares I tried and are working fine are
SPB Diary, SPB Finance, SPB Wallet, SPB Mobile Shell 2.1, Pocket Informant 8, Resco Photo Viewer Pro, Resco Keyboard and Resco File Explorer.
Thanks again for the ROM.
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The new build of Opera is working perfectly fine for me. *shrug*
Thanks For All The Great Work That You Guys Do..
is the vueflo meant to work? doesnt on mine, but my device is slightly ****ed up inside so :s
Windows mobile 6.5 build 21176
WARNING: THIS ROM IS BETA AND SOMETHING CAN BE PARTIALLY OR TOTALLY NOT WORKING! USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Download (SPL 3.5 ONLY): http://rapidshare.com/files/208071403/Athena_SPL3.5_WM6.5_WWE_R6.5-Michy.rar
Yeah!! This a fanstastic news!!
I'll flash my Athena asap.
excellent ROM
This is amazing for a beta. Email works. texts work. Its all in english and looks really nice. Love the new icons. And unlike the previous taxist ROMs I can access phone settings and set the bands correctly. all around loving it so far.
Its a perfect beginnig. I'm flashing tonight and hope for more news and releases soon.
10x mate :>
Nice
Michy,
Just flashed up from the TX 59 build, Very Nice work, One observation so far (has anyone else had a probelm with apps failing to install?) Resco Exp, Google Maps so far..
Cheers
BR
bluetooth
Michyprima
thanks a lot sharing your work with us.
Just a question, are you using same bluetooth as your previous roms?
Taxist rom for 6.5 is efficient in my case due I have BT8010 headset and watch mbw150 in terms of quality sound and battery life.
amazing stuff michy, thanks alot
My 2 cents
My observations so far, everything looks great, about 80% on my commonly used apps get the "application install unsucessful" error, I have been having alot of system hangs (could be something I did install) I am on a x7500 (tried an extra HR just to be sure it was not a remnant from the flash) also updated radio from 1.57 to 1.58. Well that is the joy of beta testing I have always liked the Michy roms, This is only a 1st release and a very good one considering the work involved. (been running various wm6.5 builds on my Raph so I expect some bumps)
Cheers
BR
HI ALL
Michy ...thanks for sharing rom..
I was waiting for ur best test realease..
How about the touchflo scroll speed ...?? Is it like the previous rom posted on this forum or sumtihing better ,,,,?
I ma trying to download ur file but i have some bandwidth problem so may not flash and check soon..please update some changes in ur rom...
Thank again
shankz
Russian MUI
Hello Michy!
I'm from russia, and continuously watch about you works and have two questions:
1. Will be russian MUI support or can i get it (support russian language) anyware?
2. Where i can reed about difference SPL 1.2 and SPL 3.5, what this is?
Sorry for my english
Best regards and hope for my answers, Sergei
7HC54810SA8239306 with Thanks!
michyprima ...
thank for sharing your great job
best regards
qazqaz70
I too have the problems with installing any apps in cab form. I keep getting the "installation was unsuccessful" message....... hmm
HEY MICHY ..VERY HARD TO PLAY WID UR BUILD...
THIS IS A BEST ROM BUT VERY VERY GOOD IN LOOKS ..
SOME PROBELMS BEEN CHECKD WITH THIS ROM,MENTIONED BELOW.
WINDOWS LIVE DOESNOT CONNECT : JUST LOGGED IN SHOWS AND ERROR DISPLAYS "THERES A CONNECTIVITY PROBLEM.MAKE SURE YOURE IN AN AREA WITH GOOD RECEPTION AND TRY AGAIN.
GOOGLE MAPS COMPRESSED VERSION DOENOT GET INSATLL ...
WINDOWS LIVE OTHER NON BETA .CAB SHOWS ERROR MESSAGE " DUE TO INSUFFICENT PREMISSON BY ROM FAIL TO INSTALL THIS VERSION '
FACEBOOK.CAB DOES GET INSTALL BUT icon DOESNOT SHOWS IN PROG.
INTERNET CONNECTION SEETINGS FOR GPRS AND EDGE CONNECTION HAS VERY BAD RESPONSE.
YOU TUBE DOESNOT DOWNLOAD ANY VIDEOS ONLINE JUST DOWNLOADING SHOWS.
ON hOME SCREEN RIGHT SIDE ICON OF BATTERY SHOWS ONLY CONNECTED.
MAIL SETUP DOESNOT TAKE WINDOWS LIVE CONNECTION.
THIRD PARTY APPLICATIONS LIKE :
DESTINATOR 6 DOESNOT GET INSATLLED.
ONLY TMC .CAB AND SLIDE PLAYER GETS INSTALL.
NON OF RESCO EXPLORER VERSION GET INSATLL ON THIS ROM.
ANY APPICATION GETS INSATLL WE HAVE ALWAYS REBOOT THE PHONE TO HAVE EFFECT.
EG. FROM HOME SCREEN UNTICK TITANIUM LOGO .
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE LOT WORK TO DO WITH THIS ROM..
HEY MICHY I MA SURE SOON WILL HAVE REALLY GOOD REALEASE FROM YOU ...
PLEASE DONT MIND I HAD TO WRITE WHAT I CHECKED WITH THIS ROM...
BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME
I AM BACK TO 1.88 MICHY'S ROM
WISH YOU ALL THE BEST,....
BEST REGARDS
SHANKZ
hey michy, thanks for coming through for us. i've been away from my computer for a couple days and was relieved tosee that you posted a beta.
a few things because i xan't type fast on the phone.
**out of all the apps i tried to install, only abiut 16% was successful. even my beloved touchpal didn't install, i got no other keyboard to install, mot even shape writer. the PHM keyboard included doesn't work (when enabled i had to change keyboard in settings then softreset). Um, anyone got a good skin for VGAKEY?
**the menu system is much slower now...
**I love that the honeycomb is much faster scrolling!
**IEmobile is much more stable, i actually haven't tried to install opera yet. the only thing it is missing right now is tabs and a larger buffer.
**titanium is more beautiful but seems a bit slower than the 59.
**the camera seems a little slower than 59 too, but somehow it is showing me that i have space for about 2000 more pictures (at 1m) than it did on 59. so its either this build handles images much better than previous or it's lying to me.
**on the today screen please change the left softkey to phone (minor issue)
*when i put the visor on time, only the hour is shown, the minutes shows like "...". eg. for 12:30am it shows like this "12:..."
**the dialer is much slower than 59.
*the call status screen is beautiful. (i wish the dialer looked like it)
**why does it always go back to the home screen after i select an app? can this be changed by reg?
Again, thank you mike for coming on board. if you need a tester, send me a PM
hey Michy how you been?
any words or thoughts on why most cabs are uninstallable?
the problem with the time on today screen ks resolved: i fiddled with the time in region settings and it somehow made it work like it should.
Strange encounters from my device.
After flashed, couldn't get it to sync with pc.
even after untick advance in usb to pc.
Noted it never auto reset immediately at end of flashing,
others do.
After a few soft resets, device couldn't start up again.
Not possible from soft or hard reset. Only way is
to remove battery for several minutes, put it back and
then it will start up from power on.
Aware it is beta, just love to try it out.
Great rom and beautiful too, thanks Michy!
13/3 update
After re-flashed by using SD card, device power up normally again.
The strange encounter I had was probably due to bad flashing.
Only thing now is unable to install program using cab or from pc.
well, now I can say only about 3% (I think its less) of all the apps I've tried so far to install actually installed....I've tried damn near a hundred app so far......
i tried 6.5 before...the test version...its VERY slow..i dont know about you version though, i will flash it soon to find out...i've been using ur 6.1 version and its THE MOST STABLE OS EVER!!! only one snag in that is that when u place the keyboard on the athena it doesnt show the small menu like the AP roms do...could u perhaps blend that in this rom?
mokhabarat said:
i tried 6.5 before...the test version...its VERY slow..i dont know about you version though, i will flash it soon to find out...i've been using ur 6.1 version and its THE MOST STABLE OS EVER!!! only one snag in that is that when u place the keyboard on the athena it doesnt show the small menu like the AP roms do...could u perhaps blend that in this rom?
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There is a Sub menu app in michys roms that turns that on on 6.1 roms, I ont know about this one though.
Jay
Very minimal Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM for XDA Serra.
Thanks to Ervius for his kitchen that made this possible!
Caution: I do not take responsibility for bricking your phone etc. This is done under your own steam and choice!
I have designed this ROM to be minimal and basic. On flashing memory footprint of 31% approximately. Run's smoothly and fast.
This ROM requires Hard SPL to be on your phone.
Recommendations:
RADIO (Gives great call quality on the Serra and up to 12 Satellites on GPS):
1.02.25.32 (AT&T)
http://rapidshare.com/files/157236372/RAPH_Radio_1.02.25.32.rar
CABS (Included in ROM under folder called Downloads):
Googlemaps
m.google.com/maps
Facebook
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=489379
Device Update
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=480476
Task Facade 4.0
Check Google for latest CAB
Included:
Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional
Youtube
IE 8
Microsoft Office 2007
Standard Theme
Touch Pro SIP
SMS Registry fix (removes issue using MS autocomplete)
Fuze items removed and Touch Pro set (QWERTY etc)
Adobe Flashlite
Remote Desktop
Outlook Live
VoIP Protocol
Uploader + Advanced Account (Facebook / Youtube)
QuickGPS
HTC Volume Control
Touch Flo
Java
Downloads folder containing CABS
ROM Link:
My Site
Notes:
This does work on Touch Pro but it is only confirmed to work on an XDA Serra.
SCREENSHOTS BELOW:
thanks, sounds very interesting!
TF3D not from rhodium, but old one (from raphael) ?
Is it mean that i could upgrade my Serra (WM6.1) to WM6.5??
this could be a great 6.5 rom... has potential! thanks for sharing and we'll post feedback
Hi everyone!
Glad people are liking it so far. Have noticed a lot of downloads so fingers crossed some responses soon.
TF3D is basic of basic. I didn't include the HTC Home, I don't use it now the WM6.5 interface is improved. I also found that it killed battery life. I did include the HTC dialler, volume controls, task manager and gestures. The camera is also included.
Yes it does mean your 6.1 Serra can be on to 6.5 now. I have run it on my Serra for one week now. Battery is fantastic, up to 3 days with normal use. No issues found so far!
Looking forward to hearing back from you all. I'll make any mods people request.
TJ
Could you post few screenshots???
..nice rom guy!! very light!! i flash my tp..and all it's functionally....
that it's my screnshoot!!
i hope i can help tj1984 whit
screenshot...
p.s only problem the keyboard touch....little for my finger...
mano:
Try going to Settings - Input and changing to full Qwerty. That's the HTC Touch Pro keyboard. Much better finger wise. SMS issue also gone which means the auto input using the HTC one works.
I'll get some screen shots tomorrow including using TaskFacade. Post tomorrow evening.
Keep the ideas coming!
Screen shots uploaded on first post.
I'm trying to install windows live messenger from
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=492905
and it does not work for me!!!
And the i could find the touch pro keyboard. only default keyboard available!!
I able access internet, but when i come to setup outlook live, it failed to connect to internet
'Operation time out' support code: 0x80040608
and Bug found
Go to Photo --> Menu --> View --> Calls and Contacts ---> Scroll down then u will able see it ( contacts overlap and can not read it)
am new to this so am not sure wat ta say how do i up grade ma serra from wm6.1 to 6.5 or7 plus is their any gud flashplayer because a can not find 1 on adobe to play thanx
I have a out of the box XDA Serra, QuickGPS does not work.. keeps saying "Connection Failed". Will this ROM fix this?
Also do you need to a HardSPL reset first? When I try doing a HardSPL reset it says it cannot connect to my PDA. Im using Activsync and the phone is Syned up.
What am I doing wrong?
I just loaded your ROM on my XDA Serra, so far I really like it
I have a question thouigh, you metion a Radio ROM in your first post, if that doesnt work for me how can I restore the stock Radio?
Ive installed the Radio ROM you recommended but im still getting no satalites. Ive got TomTom Navigator 7.450.9028, is that too old? Also should I enable AGPS?
Ive just installed TomTom v7.910.9185 and getting the same problem? Please help
The ROM rocks by the way
elrasho said:
Ive just installed TomTom v7.910.9185 and getting the same problem? Please help
The ROM rocks by the way
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check out video and learn right gps receiver for htc:
http://demonfatal.narod.ru/tomtom.htm
hi
tangcmin said:
I'm trying to install windows live messenger from
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=492905
and it does not work for me!!!
And the i could find the touch pro keyboard. only default keyboard available!!
I able access internet, but when i come to setup outlook live, it failed to connect to internet
'Operation time out' support code: 0x80040608
and Bug found
Go to Photo --> Menu --> View --> Calls and Contacts ---> Scroll down then u will able see it ( contacts overlap and can not read it)
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I have the same problems but winth EnergyROM v3. I think all these ROM are the same..
camera
i dont know if its just me but when i open up camera i get a black screen but then when i take it, it shows the picture.
kinda annoying when i cant preview my photos... any help?
Can it be? Is mr. dcd1182 back from the dead?
My Touch PRO has been waiting it's whole life for a dcd rom, i searched but didn't find anything about this goodie!!!!!!!!!Anyone have a clue about anything about it?
It looks like it was uploaded 5-22-09
It also has a PagePool of only 6Mb, is this a verizon rom? I'm afraid to flash my Sprint TP not knowing anything else
*edit, if you need instructions follow my post on ppcgeeks, seems like more people are trying it out over there
Back when i had my Titan i would run DCD all the time and loved his work enough to donate. right now i'm running Mightymike 4.16 and have been looking to flash another rom. perfect timing.
DCD, thanks for making the move to the Touch Pro.
for those looking for HTC task manager, i'm using the one below. also DCD used GfxBoost in .92, but i didn't see it in .96 or later builds so i included it also.
whoa, it must be really really stripped. it's only 64 mb?
How did you find this and does he even want it "released"?
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How did you find this and does he even want it "released"?
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His site is public. If he doesn't want to share it, then he needs to change the website/ftp settings. As far as I know, he hasn't officially "released" it yet. No announcements from him. I tried it, but the mobile internet wasn't working consistently, so I had to go back to mightyrom.
ROM is very fast and stable and data worked fine for me on Sprint. However, the phone would not ring on incoming calls. I checked all the settings I could think of and vibrate works fine but no ring. Flashing to another ROM only because of that. Bummer...
for some strange reason my data goes in and out. i can't seem to track down the cause yet. i'll mess around with it some more. also DCD is using a different build of opera mobile then i'm used to. i just loaded up the newest build i could find and all was well
Edit: here's a link to the opera i used. it's pretty new
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=940117&postcount=88
Wish List!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just my 2 cents so here we go.
I would like to see the this rom include:
1. Full qwerty keyboard.
2. Ability to turn of flashing light on new txt, email, etc.
3. Random access added
4. On people tab add ability to contact via txt, email or call as only has ability to call now! BOO
5. When viewing txt, email, etc. from said tab, mark items as read removing new count number, without having to launch said app.
thanks in advance!
.96
There's a .96 .exe in the link now......time to flash..
Nate
there are (I think) two apps that are vital for this rom to work great: HTC task manager and GfxBoost. Anyone interested in this rom should us these.
very fast rom...i think faster than yay4jugg which i was using for a few months now.
just needs pagepool changed
opera is set as default. how do i disable it or remove opera.
also noticable fast battery drain.
works on sprint. just need the sprint cab.
DCD has 1.02 up now
This is not at popular as the thread over on ppcgeeks, but there still might be some people that have not seen this yet and that would be a shame.
DCD just posted 1.09. i'm running 1.08 and it's one of the best Pro roms out there. give it a try.
t0mmyr said:
follow my post on ppcgeeks
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Here's is a link to that thread I'm trying to keep up to date until dcd steps in and makes it official