Can you please split this forum into two areas. I really hate 6.5 it is so buggy at the moment and I am finding my self spending a long time searching through these articles to see what is available. I know the titles sometimes help with "6.5" etc but it would be so much more easier if their was actually sub categories in this category
Doubt it as most if not all roms will be 6.5 b4 long.
i don't know about this. 6.5 is still beta so it will be buggy but there's no point to making another section because when it officially releases soon, 6.1 will be fazed out and die like all the rest that came before it. otherwise there would have been a Windows 2003, WM5, WM6 section opened also, but since they are updates to the same OS there's not much point to making a section for it due to the fact that eventually everyone will upgrade to it when its fully stable
my two cents
cjensen25 said:
Can you please split this forum into two areas. I really hate 6.5 it is so buggy at the moment and I am finding my self spending a long time searching through these articles to see what is available. I know the titles sometimes help with "6.5" etc but it would be so much more easier if their was actually sub categories in this category
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I completely agree, I have been attempting to ignore all 6.5 ROMs, because they are far too buggy, and the won't work with my Redfly, when I try to install the drivers for it, it just freezes my device, and I wind up having to HR. Plus the official release of 6.5 isn't due until Q4 2009 anyway, so it will be a while until we see any "official" ROMs.
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I completely agree, I have been attempting to ignore all 6.5 ROMs, because they are far too buggy, and the won't work with my Redfly, when I try to install the drivers for it, it just freezes my device, and I wind up having to HR. Plus the official release of 6.5 isn't due until Q4 2009 anyway, so it will be a while until we see any "official" ROMs.
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I thought the release is this month??? Maybe it will be 4q before phones start off with 6.5, but im sure XDA forums will have 6.5 before that.
So what bugs are you encountering? Maybe you could compile a list and let the chefs tackle them. There's not many that I can find using RRE's or Da_G's so maybe try one of those?
But yea, please let everyone know what bugs you're experiencing so people can take a look at the root cause and potentially fix them?... I am eagerly awaiting your response to this.
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So what bugs are you encountering? Maybe you could compile a list and let the chefs tackle them. There's not many that I can find using RRE's or Da_G's so maybe try one of those?
But yea, please let everyone know what bugs you're experiencing so people can take a look at the root cause and potentially fix them?... I am eagerly awaiting your response to this.
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seriously i have nil to no bugs with 6.5...
but if you are there are ether related to rom or something you are doing. But ether way you should compile a list in the respective thread to address these alleged issues.
IMHO 6.5 runs far better and quicker than 6.1 ever didd, as far as bugs none that are of any consequence for me
yes man, that is the consensus. plus all the chefs are jumping on it and not looking back broheem.
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IMHO 6.5 runs far better and quicker than 6.1 ever didd, as far as bugs none that are of any consequence for me
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Agreed. After finally getting the guts to flash today I can say that 6.5 is how 6.1 should've been. Great interface, much faster. No bugs for me so far.
Whats funny is my 6.5 rom is FAR more stable and reliable than the stock rom that came on my AT&T Fuze... or pretty much any other 6.1 rom I ever flashed to. I can go weeks without having to preform a single soft reset.
A Huge thanks to whoever is hosting the file!
I just downloaded the full file in 1.5 mins!
I agree. . at least for the time being. Break them up a bit.
I was hesitant to move to 6.5 because of said "bugs". Honestly, I haven't seen a single bug since going to 6.5 though. Works much better than 6.1 ever did.
Great response guys.
After reading through all your articles I decided to give 6.5 another shot. I tried 6.5 and experienced alot of bugs ... missing calls ... GPS not working etc.
HOWEVER...
I have just flashed the "EnergyROM Series 3.0 21215" and it seems stable enough for me... the only bug I have found so far is it keeps turning the backlight down even when I set it not too.. so going to have a dig around on the forums to see if anyone else is experiencing this issue.
Thanks again guys
To the split i vote....
No bugs in 6.5 so far but i not really intend to turn back to 6.1 i think is a good idea to split the forum into 2 piece so 6.1 or 6.5 funs no have to bother with the other builds...
My two cents: 6.5 is pretty stable for me too. On the issue propose, each of the 5, 6 or so top chefs have like 2 or 3 roms and I have no trouble finding what I'm looking for on the very first page of the forum. The threads are well labelled too.
If a split is to be made, I'd suggest making a subforum for the 6.1 ROMs, and keep the 6.5 ones in here.
I think its a good idea to split. So far, i only can see these different between WM6.1/WM6.5 :
1-No HTC WM6.5 specific addons/goodies atm.
2-Titanium by M$
3-LockScreen
4-More Outlook Ehancements.
5-Looks like M$ trying to make the WM6.5 OS more independent without 3rd party addons.
Cant wait for HTC device shipped with WM6.5 & get all the HTC goodies soon to make WM6.5 more usable
typically, we don't split. This has happened many times in the past. Are you guys really having problems figuring out which is which?
Its not that it's hard to differentiate, but it would be easier to find the ROMs that people are interested in. Like me, I have been trying to completely ignore the 6.5 ROMs, because they don't work for me. So it would be nice to split them, or at least have a way to organize them.
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Ok So I have been reading around the last few days, I have a titan and my buddy has a kaiser. There seems to be a ton of roms out for the kaiser... But for the titan all i see is dcd's kitchen Which I like and am currently using .. But am I just not seeing the rest?
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Ok So I have been reading around the last few days, I have a titan and my buddy has a kaiser. There seems to be a ton of roms out for the kaiser... But for the titan all i see is dcd's kitchen Which I like and am currently using .. But am I just not seeing the rest?
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Just not seeing the rest....go over to PPCGeeks there are a lot of ROMs and the PPC kitchen
everything that you will ever want/need is in the extremely stable DCD roms.
i would recommend 325 or 326, flash it using a micro SD card you will have zero issues. and a phone you never knew you had.
FYI ROM and Radio are on 2 different chips to you will need to flash 2 diffrent software Radio software and OS software. follow his wiki you will be fine. or ask and we will guide you.
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everything that you will ever want/need is in the extremely stable DCD roms.
i would recommend 325 or 326, flash it using a micro SD card you will have zero issues. and a phone you never knew you had.
FYI ROM and Radio are on 2 different chips to you will need to flash 2 diffrent software Radio software and OS software. follow his wiki you will be fine. or ask and we will guide you.
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Although DCD's roms are great there are plenty of other stable roms out there....this is no disrespect to DCD....all I am saying is that there are plenty more out there which is what the OP asked for....go explore there are many great roms and not so great....it is all personal preference....
ok well i have the latest dcd and .40 rom and it's great just very light and lacking alot of charechter. Seems like the tilt roms have a little more "pizzaz" to them. I went to ppcgeeks and I assume the forum is where the rom's are posted. I still could only find 2-3 in the 4 pages of forum I found. And the latter of the two was very outdated.
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ok well i have the latest dcd and .40 rom and it's great just very light and lacking alot of charechter. Seems like the tilt roms have a little more "pizzaz" to them. I went to ppcgeeks and I assume the forum is where the rom's are posted. I still could only find 2-3 in the 4 pages of forum I found. And the latter of the two was very outdated.
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If you are looking for pizazz.....go back and check out Nexvisions latetst....its loaded.....
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Seems like the tilt roms have a little more "pizzaz" to them.
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128 MB of RAM on such models decreases the desire and goal to go GUI light.
For myself, I've gone back to one of the final WM 6 OS builds for my Titan simply because it just works. Sometime soon I may again present to the forum that kitchen with the current app/utility/dialer/carrier updates. With WM 6.1 builds I've often come across odd software incompatibilities (I do like SPB Plus), sporadic pauses upon bringing up the dialer in time to receive a call, odd hard keyboard bugs, etc. I've just decided that I must rely on my phone and am lacking the time and interest to keep flashing to new ROMs when I'm already satisfied with what is. I'll keep that on to retain GPS, and wait until I upgrade to a CDMA Diamond Pro (looking like October for Telus with the CDMA Diamond 'Victor' already over a week old) to again get the new item urge for more experimentation.
As others have said, choose what's best for you.
I know, I know....
but i am not a flash junkie and don't want my first experience with the TP to be flashing 10 roms. I'm just looking to get a decent one (preferably not a black theme ) and run with it to get to know touchflo and the device. Thanks!
There's a good Wiki associated with this device. Get to know the chefs then start reading their threads. Took me about an evening to find what I was looking for.
Just my opinion but, NATF's all the way! And the FuzeBerry of course....
Hi there
Ive coome over from the hermes camp too (although its still running)
i would personally reccomend the lantis os roms but again, and you'll see this all over xda, you will only find the best rom for you after flashing a few
and theres only really a handful to try!
good luck and make sure you've hardspl'd and have your stock rom and radio versions written down or backed up just in case you have to do a warranty return! saves u the hassle of trying to hunt it down in the panic!
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Hi there
Ive coome over from the hermes camp too (although its still running)
i would personally reccomend the lantis os roms but again, and you'll see this all over xda, you will only find the best rom for you after flashing a few
and theres only really a handful to try!
good luck and make sure you've hardspl'd and have your stock rom and radio versions written down or backed up just in case you have to do a warranty return! saves u the hassle of trying to hunt it down in the panic!
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You should try them all, so you can see what the difference between a good and bad rom is. Each rom is built different for different so not all roms may suit your needs..... but i agree on Lantis OS being my favorite right now.
I personally tried Romeo, NATF and Proven and decided to stick with Proven.
I had problems with the screen shutting off during calls with Romeo.
I experienced TF3D lag with NATF.
Proven has been rock solid and I like the Diamond tweaks he's incorporated.
if you don't like TF3D go with Da_G.. I'm actually running a VGA version of HTC Home on mine.. love the speed.
Thread like these usually get closed pretty fast, I'm suprised that yours last a day
It's really all depend on what you like, they are all great. For the past few days, I've tried many of them. And to be honest, there is no BEST one. It's really depend on what you need and what you like.
Da_G is has the cleanest ROM NaTF's
Elite RC2 Is fully loaded with a new feeling
NATF Is stable, and GPS lock is pretty quick (update very often)
Proven, it's like Elite with less Applications and function (cleaner)
Romeo is very stable
.... Those are what i've tried
Check the Wikki in sticky post.
I think it is a good question that should come up from time to time.. sure everyone has their personal preferences but for a new person wanting a quick rundown on the most current ROMS to date.. just saving the guy some time downloading and flashing all those different ROMS. anyone here flashed all released ROMS to date?
I also went from the Hermes (8525) about a week and a half ago. Fuze was my christmas present .
I tried NATF's ROM for about a week and had many problems, which i seemed to ignore because of all its good feedback. I then tried Lantis OS and had no problems at all, I am still currently using it. No errors and speedy fast.
My suggestion is Lantis OS for the moment, but NATF is suppose to be releasing his v4.0 ROM sometime today or tomorrow so you should look out for that as well.
Good luck with your fuze and your flashing, and enjoy that beautiful VGA screen that i loved when i got it compared to the Hermes
I don't think that XDA-developers ever had any problems with folks discussing ROMs and their xp with the various flavors in a rational manner. We usually end up shutting down threads because the first reply is "Use search you id10t!" followed by general thread degeneration.
Anyhoo.. normally I'm one of the chefs, but with this device I've found that Da_G's direction mirrors the way I'd be going anyway. He's more interested in technical improvements to the GDI, GPS etc than in all the additional apps. I'm pretty confident that he's well on his way to creating a solid base ROM that's free for anyone to work from. Exactly what I would have done. Why re-invent the wheel?
This is what these kinds of threads are supposed to be like! As stated by a couple people previously, normally these get dismissed and/or flamed. When people ask these types of questions, usually they are not asking (at least the smart ones aren't) which ROM the SHOULD flash, but rather what is your experiances with the ones you have used.
I understand how confusing it may be trying to decide which one to use - they all look the same as far as applications that are cooked in. Only difference aesthetically are the different themes and that alone is not a deciding factor for me.
Just as everyone has stated - just try some out and see how they feel to you. ie button mapping, folder layout, apps installed, speed, etc. I personally like Aruppenthal's RRE ROM but that's just my 2 cents.
FYI: From what I've seen, EVERY ROM has its own bugs/quirks that may or may not annoy you.
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if you don't like TF3D go with Da_G.. I'm actually running a VGA version of HTC Home on mine.. love the speed.
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Any chance you could post the version your using? I can't seem to find a VGA version and I am getting ready to get rid of TouchFlo 3D. Or post the thread you got it from.
Never Mind....I found it in the Diamond Forum...
I second the Lantis OS. I am using it as well. It is very fast and stable. I had problems with NATF's as well. But I will try NATF's v4.0 when it is released.
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Any chance you could post the version your using? I can't seem to find a VGA version and I am getting ready to get rid of TouchFlo 3D. Or post the thread you got it from.
Never Mind....I found it in the Diamond Forum...
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Not to get off the subject of this thread but which HTC Home VGA are you using? I am using one called PJ HTC Home VGA which is pretty good but wanted to try something different if it is better...
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Not to get off the subject of this thread but which HTC Home VGA are you using? I am using one called PJ HTC Home VGA which is pretty good but wanted to try something different if it is better...
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The one I'm using is a cab called htchome2.cab that I found in the diamond forum...works fine but the media player tab does not work.
And I have been using either Lantis or DaG Rom's....I use Blackberry Connect which adds lag to the fuze anyway but it seems to affect these Roms the least. I would be interested in hearing what Rom's Blackberry Connect users are fond of as it seems to make a big difference.
i too just got my Fuze from Kaiser. right now im using RomEOS and really like it. i might try the Da_G because i really dont care about TF3D.
What do you guys think is the best ROM for using the touch pro as it is intended to be first and foremost: a phone.
I'm looking for a rom with no hangups when you want to make a phone call, check a text message or send an email. I find that sometimes my phone hangs (quite badly actually) when I try to use the actual phone bit of my fuze. (IE: Tonight I got pulled over for having an unregistered tag, left the reg at home, tried to call my aunt to bring it to me to avoid having my car impounded and low and behold my phone call screen decides to hang for a good 2 minutes... Lucky the cop felt bad for my seemingly ****ty device and I got off with a warning... :\ )
Also, I find it a pain in the arse sometimes to check, reply to my texts on the go. More often than not the screen hangs for a few seconds between the different screens. I find this so much of an annoyance that I've almost stopped texting all together.
I'm using the RRE 6.5 rom at the moment but this is literally draining the life out of me. any suggestions?
Sounds like you treat your phone as I do ... mission critical device.
RRE's series ROM are great ROMs; a lot of attention goes into ensuring they run as hassle free as possible. That said, Windows Mobile 6.5 is still relatively new and there are some kinks that still need to be worked out.
You may want to look at using a feature lite Mobile 6.1 ROM for the time being. A good indicator of stability is when you see the frequency of kitchen/ROM releases slow down.
HTH,
Thanks for the reply, I'm beginning to think that its a 6.5 issue, but even more so a windows mobile issue... Which is a shame because i've always been a fan of the pc-on-the-go experience of wm as opposed to some proprietary OS by some nameless company for a very specific phone that supports nothing.
Maybe i'm just ranting
It depends on what you want in your ROM.
RRE v3 WM6.5 has been running great for me. There's been a v4 and v5, but I'm sticking with v3 for now since it has run great for me.
WM6.5 isn't for everyone though.
If you don't need TF3D (or don't mind installing it via cab), then look in the March 1st Leaked ATT ROM thread and look for the Da_G stripped version. This is plain WM6.1 with NO HTC stuff. Its as bare as you can get, but fast as hell and very stable. You can find cabs for the HTC stuff if you decide to use it.
+ 1 for NRG minus manila. once you take the manila out, the battery life is excellent....granted, i'm on 2.0 now but was pretty good when i ran 3 as well (switched back for 6.1)....
it's now 5 PM and been off charger since 7:30 AM and with a few phone calls and email twice/multiple texts, i've still got 75% left!!
agree with other member, if you want reliable rom, stick with 6.1. 6.5 has a lot of hiccups. But to each its own. My phone has failed me when I need the most but hey how many times does that happen.
install the new touch pro 6.1 official rom 5.11.xx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
i made my rom with just that in mind, making the touch pro a good phone first, and a good ppc second. it runs on 6.1 so no hiccups and i tested it extensively.
arrupenthal makes some good stable roms too :}
Why are we having this discussion AGAIN?! Oh yeah, because someone with only 4 posts doesn't want to spend an hour reading but wants to get quick answers to questions that have no easy quick answers.
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Why are we having this discussion AGAIN?! Oh yeah, because someone with only 4 posts doesn't want to spend an hour reading but wants to get quick answers to questions that have no easy quick answers.
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He did the right thing. He started a new thread instead of clogging other threads with these questions. No one has to enter this. I've been monitoring this because I'm curious to see what people plug here. It's hard to find practical roms unless you read all 150 pages in each good rom's thread because everyone claims: "fast", "great", "best", "stable"... when they really aren't there yet. It's just that some roms aren't fully troubleshot yet. Some people here want to get their money's worth out of a phone they paid a lot of money for and don't want to devote the better part of a day (at the very least) to find something they'll only find a deal killing bug one month later after spending hours putting programs back on their phone after flashing (even after UC).
Sorry for opinion almost unrelated, but I don't post without some kind of contribution of my own:
I currently have been running RRE v3 and its a great rom, but it has some camera bugs with the auto rotate and wm6.5 has messaging uglies. It is by far my favorite performing rom, but the camera bugs. My phone, to me, has to be a phone, gps, camera and music player. I plan to go back to RRE the latest with the 6.1 rom no manila and put on chome. I'll let you know how it works out.
I hope this thread can be a place in which people can come to take a look at great performing roms and dl packages of optimizing software with little time spent reading through bugs and potential bug fixes. This in mind, I'll be on again tonight after hopefully fully testing what I hope to be my rom for about 6 months only reporting great or bad or good (with Quick fixes only).
Thanks to all the chefs for their time.
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He did the right thing. He started a new thread instead of clogging other threads with these questions.
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I disagree, all the information he wanted was easily accessible. There's no excuse for not taking some initiative instead of opening up yet another "Hey guyz! What's the best ROM out there for my <insert device name here>" thread.
<rant mode=off> ;-)
I agree…asking a question that is answered 100+ times already is not what this site is about. This site is about the developers and people like my self who are members because we like what he developers do should read more and post less.
Remember this:
I this site becomes about he non-developers it will be ruined!
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I plan to go back to RRE the latest with the 6.1 rom no manila and put on chome. I'll let you know how it works out.
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With a win 6.1 and no manila, how looks your today screen? Do you have some kind of screenshot to show?
Thanks
(I'm using an energy 3 rom with win 6.5, and I like the titanium interface, I wonder what I'll use if I go back to 6.1)
I could say that I'm closing this thread out of spite (nobody plugs my ROM? )... but it's not the case. This type of thread is not permitted according to the rules of XDA-Developers.
Although it can seem like a daunting task, the best thing for the OP to do is read through a few ROM threads, the first few posts should suffice, for a list of features and a changelog. [Shameless Plug]. Lastly, check the date of the most recent release, and then jump to the posts from that date, going forward.
I'm pretty new to the HTC Touch pro. Bought a second hand from eBay about 2 weeks ago, had a really old stock firmware but it wasn't too bad. I thought flashing to a new rom would make it much much faster, but it hasn't really.
If im scrolling left and right it seems pretty fine, but say I stop on 'programs' or 'weather' there will be a 1 second delay. I was hoping this could be fixed? I might be clutching at straws, but I really thought this phone would be faster then this.
I am currently using EnergyROMs latest build. Have not applied any registry tweaks as of yet.
Cheers
p.s are there any roms that have weather integrated on the home screen? I assume that will probably lag the phone further tho. Hmm.
Note: I prefer the HTC UI, I think this is called Manilla? I'm not much of a fan of the Windows 6.5 UI, but it's not bad. Thanks all
Try my CR192 Touch HD ROMs. Which ever you like but yet I haven't released builds with new interface ( Called WinMo 6.5.1 ). However, I do have latest build ROM based on WinMo 6.5.0. May be official build come on leo or the newer devices. ( 21869 ).
Best Regards
Thanks mate, was kind of expecting getting flammed for my topic. But your post was both helpful and informative. Will try out your rom tonight. Cheers!
Thanks for the newest build. I am looking to find a fast all encompasing ROM. This looks like a great on for me to try.
Cheers,
Kevin
Mine and Taels use the latest WM6.5.1 builds and are both pretty fast.
All-in-all no one can tell you which one is the right build for you. All of them have pros and cons. Just start downloading them and flash a new one weekly. Use PIMBackup to save your contacts and personal data.
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Mine and Taels use the latest WM6.5.1 builds and are both pretty fast.
All-in-all no one can tell you which one is the right build for you. All of them have pros and cons. Just start downloading them and flash a new one weekly. Use PIMBackup to save your contacts and personal data.
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Thanks mate. I am on one every 2 or 3 days until I find something that is either frustrating or not working at all. I have been unsuccessful in getting Taels to load properly and I'm downloading another at the moment.
Cheers,
Kevin
I used to have HTC Kaiser (Tilt) and was very -very happy with it (Garmin ROM). But one day touch screen started acting up. I then upgraded to Raphael. I tried many ROMs. One every two three days. Then came Cracing's ROM. I have stayed on his 6.1.0.0.3. The ROM is fast and stable. This is THE BEST ROM.
Keep one thing in mind. You will have to look around for ROMs and try. The thing which is good for me may not be good for you. I wanted a bloat free clean ROM and thanks to CRACING, he cooked one for all of us.
Another thing which I find different between Kaiser and Raphael is the graphics speed. The Raphael has inherent slower graphics than Kaiser. I am not sure why. It may due to the fact that Raphael has 4 time bigger screen resolution (640x480) than Kaiser (320x240) and both do not have dedicated graphic processor. The menus (quick menu) and other graphic updates (TomTom) appear slower in Raphael than Kaiser. The point I am trying to make is that if you have different phone earlier then the fastest ROM of Raphael may still not feel fast enough because of its large screen resolution. The time difference may be less than a second, but it is definitely there.
In short all ROMs are good and fast. There are some limitation in Raphael hardware. For me best match has been CRACINGs rom. So do try those.
Thanks ViperAMD!
I am looking for a great wm6.5 on the Raphael. I like having the bells and whistles because I am still new at flashing and I don't have all of the CABs for apps that I like (which usually come in the ROMs). I have a decent supply of CABs already but I might need to take the next step and learn how to cook my own ROMs.
Cheers,
Kevin
Hey everybody,
I am sitting here now for hours and trying to figure out what I need, and what I wont ever use, ...
I got myself a touch pro and now I am trying to find a rom that fits me, or at least to figure out if i do even need a rom.
What I need is a stable phone that works fine with GPS and also stable enough (and with enought battarycapacity) to use the GPS for example 10hours in one turn (don't know even if this is possible from the beginning ).
first of all:
Whats the advantage of WM6.5?
Is a cooked 6.5 Rom possibly as stable as a stock rom from HTC?
Till now I am used to SPB Mobile Shell and I would buy the new version of it, ... is Sense really a good supstitude, and as fast as mobile shell?
Some ROMs come with lots of preinstalled software where I might only need half of it, is it possible to uninstall some of it?
I read somewhere something about QuickGPS, ... is it common and usefull in cooked ROMs?
Are Hotfixes from HTC usually included?
... slowly I get more and more questions in my head, ...
Last but not least:
Is it recommendable to use a cooked ROM if I dont't want to flash my phone for the comming year, and just using a stable and fast phone?
Which ROM would be recommendable if I use it mainly for surfing some pages and GPS and playing a bit around?
Thanks in advance for helping to unscramble my brain ^^
Ps.: Has anybody an experience with Touch Pro and German Vodafone, with different Radios? (As you see I like to stay up to date, but I am too lazy to follow it ...)
In a friendly way I suggest you do some serious reading which is really a FRIENDLY hint. Read the Wiki and Radio threads to learn more about your phone (hardSPL) and some ROM threads. Do n o t assume that all custom ROMs support all languages (my guess is that your local language is German) so - again - you have to look around a little bit.
Custom or cooked ROMs do include a lot of little tools and features (some Chefs put more in some less). Regarding stability, read a little bit through ROM threads currently there are not many unstable ROMs out.
Keep in mind that, pending what base ROM version you chose (called SYS followed by a number 21xxx for example) that it may be a beta OS from microsoft which need not to be "per se" a bad thing.
The biggest suggestion - still - read Read READ to UNDERSTAND what's going on.
A Titanium ROM would be MY choice if you want to continue with SPB Mobile shell (which is good BTW) so no need to have the Manila 2.1 or 2.5 included with the ROM.
Well we were all kind of clueless about this at one point..so I won't flame you for posting this, but please please go and read through the stickies in this forum, and then through a whole bunch of ROM threads before doing anything to your phone. Don't be one of the many retards who post on here asking questions that have been asked a million times.
Couple of things to get you started.
1) use the SEARCH function. It will really help you, just type in your question and you will get an answers..
2) Read these threads:
how to flash your phone:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448008
Wiki Links
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419746
General Help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=477235
3) Once you know what flashing is, what HardSPL is, what a radio is, what a riphone.dll is, and what a rom is, start with a nice simple Windows Mobile 6.1 rom and flash that. Browse this forum and find a [ROM] thread that states its Windows Mobile 6.1, download it, and flash it. I would never advise a newbie to flash WM 6.5..yes it works great et al but if you are new to this you will likely run into issues and end up coming back here.
4) Once you are happy with the basics of flashing, and you have played with your new 6.1 rom, go and take a look at some of the newer all singing all dancing roms based on WM 6.5, which is the latest version of windows mobile available. Again here start with the basics, so one that includes "manilla 2.1", which is currently stable and pretty much finished. This will give you some nice upgrades to your phone which you will not have seen before. Make sure to start with a version that has build "28xxxx" as its number also, as again this is the most stable.
5) Once you are used to that you may want to jump to the 21xxxx series (less stable but much nicer to use imo - this is the "development" series of WM 6.5, which is *not* final or released), and see how you get on with that.
6) If you are feeling adventerous go for a Manilla 2.5 version after this, but ONLY IF YOU HAVE READ ALL ABOUT IT FIRST. 2.5 is full of bugs/issues at the moment, 99% of which are known and have been posted about already.
The key thing here is to READ READ READ and DO NOT sit here posting questions - I guarantee that 99.999% of your questions have been answered already. If you stick to those rough guidelines you will have a good time flashing and will be respected here..happy flashing!
edit: one more thing, I will answer one more question. If you want the most stable and reliable ROM on your phone..do one of two things. Either research lots and play with every single rom you can find until you find the one that works best for YOUR network and area, OR just stick with a stock HTC rom..there is no "middle ground" here..its very simple
Sorry for having my questions out a bit quick
And thanks a lot for the info you gave still!
Just wanted to say that I did read quite a bit (and actually I stopped when I got a headache) so I am familiar with flashing Hardspl and so on, ...
One of my main question (if Manila is a substitude for Mobileshell) is answerd by tyguy, so thanks a lot for that!
Anyway you all do a great job here!! Thanks a lot!
For a German user on Vodafone see my friends and contact Schnitzelbrain he is German and Raphael user ( and maybe Vodafone ) very helpful surely he can help you chose.
I reccomend Chrome ROMs though.
WM 6.5 is more finger friendly than 6.1. If you're new stay away from the SENSE(next generation Manila) as it wasn't designed for your Touch Pro and it takes some tinkering around with. The better handling 6.5 builds are the 21XXX builds as they are "official" builds. Look for 21882. The 28xxx are experimental builds but function fairly well.
Each developer has their own style, so it may take you a couple tries to figure out who matches your style.
one warning about manila 2.5 (sense) is that it's been stated that sometimes the animations will be slower. This is because sense was made with a 1ghz processor in mind, so make sure you keep that in mind as well.
I'm currently using NRG Rom Phoenix 2 and (manila 2.1) it rocks.
SirHanni, just try some of the popular 6.5 roms such as the energy roms...
You need to experience each rom to know it you like everything about it.
For instance I like my current rom because the weather updates to my location.
I also hate the roms with the start button at the bottom.