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Hi, just wanted to check if one can measure speed differences between ROMs, so I started to bench.
Since it's quite time consuming, I need you guys if you're also interested in results, please post them.
Here is the protocol to use (please tell
if you used another one/modified it):
Pre-requisite: Backup, hard-reset, let the extended rom installation and the following soft-reset happen.
Reboot and note down the time it takes to reach:
Windows Mobile loading logo
Today page loaded
Full memory recovered (check in Settings / Memory)
Disable "auto-shutdown if not used", every today plug-ins, and htc taskmanager if present.
Put the phone in flight mode, wait 10 seconds, shutdown your device. Turn it on after another 10s.
Go to Settings/Memory, note Rom and Ram informations. Wait 1 minute, and note the new Ram information.
Connect to ActiveSync in guest mode. Install & launch SPB Benchmark (free for personnal use) : test activesync
Optionnal: Test battery (very interesting to know): no display, mp3 playback ; then maximum backlight, GPRS/Bluetooth/WiFi.
Disconnect from activesync and test storage card. Reboot and launch main test.
(disable built-in applications tests, because they often fail)
View results and report, hard-reset again & enjoy your rom
Please contribute & share your results, either for fresh ROMs, (active) synched ones or fully installed
Below are summarized results for latest ROMs, after hard-reset, today plug-ins disabled:
Crystal v2:
27.98 Free Ram
50s Today loading
1:40 Memory fully available
271.77 Spb Benchmark index
3773.54 ActiveSync index
TNT v5, after HR (Today plug-ins disabled)
29.30 Free Ram
33s Today loading
1:35 Memory fully available
3730.53 ActiveSync index
PDAViet BetaRom:
271.40 Spb Benchmark index
3622.41 ActiveSync index
PDAViet 4.0.0.0.5b ?
269.28 Spb Benchmark index
Here's a first shoot (updated):
.Crystal v2, after HR (Today plug-ins disabled)
Free Rom 39.42
Free Ram 27.98
Boot time:
Welcomehead 25
Today 50
Completed 1:40
Spb Benchmark index 271.77
CPU index 946.84
File system index 113.59
Graphics index 2929.54
ActiveSync index 3773.54
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. Crystal v2, fully installed, with cpuscaler o/c (BS default settings, no boost)
Free Rom 11
Free Ram 23.70
while synching 20
once synched 21.80
Boot time:
welcomehead 26
Today appears 53
Today fully loaded 1:13
Memory fully recovered 1:40
Spb Benchmark index 333.15
CPU index 1227.94
File system index 137.73
Graphics index 3844.05
ActiveSync index 2132.93
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. TNT v5, after HR (Today plug-ins disabled)
Free Rom 39.67
Free Ram 29.30
Boot time:
Welcomehead 20
Today 33
Completed 1:35
Spb Benchmark index ?
CPU index ?
File system index ?
Graphics index ?
ActiveSync index 3730.53
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. TNT v5, fully installed, with cpuscaler o/c (BS default settings, no boost)
Free Rom 15
Free Ram 25
Spb Benchmark index 344.87
CPU index 1267.58
File system index 142.70
Graphics index 3912.60
ActiveSync index 3718.54
Those are other benchs to compare with:
. PDAViet BetaRom
Spb Benchmark index 271.40
CPU index 952.90
File system index 113.25
Graphics index 2987.79
ActiveSync index 3622.41
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. PDAViet 4.0.0.0.5b ?
Spb Benchmark index 269.28
CPU index 954.15
File system index 112.20
Graphics index 2917.14
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(same) +Wisbar Advance
Spb Benchmark index 240.33
CPU index 910.67
File system index 110.25
Graphics index 2800.08
Great thread Indeed ! This is what I call a scientific comparison good job man. I really wanted to know these myself too. Thanks
it means that TNT V5 is the fastest and has a best graphic performanse?
farzin_silver said:
it means that TNT V5 is the fastest and has a best graphic performanse?
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The device was overclocked
I'm testing crystal o/c right now and will publish results tonight.
Then I'll wait other members to post their results, whatever rom they have
Updated with Crystal v2 o/c results
My shoot:
.Gullum VII, after HR (Today plug-ins disabled)
Normal clockspeed(195)
Boot time(in seconds):
Welcomehead 21
Today 37
Completed:58
Upload with activesync: 2845ms
download with activesync: 1631ms
Spb Benchmark index 266.87
CPU index 946.76
File system index 111.19
Graphics index 2868.54
ActiveSync index 3841.85
.Gullum VII, Today plug-ins disabled Only battery status on
O/c to 260
Spb Benchmark index 360.42
CPU index 1314.19
File system index 149.41
Graphics index 3865.06
Thanks a lot for reporting, I hope more members will follow.
Please also not that boot time is only *complete* when the memory needed to start the OS has been released. That means you must go to memory control panel applet and wait for memory to increase by around 10 to 15 Mo. My guess is WM6 only releases memory after a timeout. If this is confirmed, every ROM should behave the same and should only be completely operational after about 1:40 (100s).
It seems *to me* that TNT v5 is the fastest and most stable rom I've tested right now, but Crystal v2 looks like it has a better memory management, I guess because of the new way drivers are implemented. It also has a few freezes. Hope we can get a rom that combine those advantages together soon, Gullum, hma4 and others, do you hear me ?
Here are some more benchmark tools to play with:
jbenchmark
3D Benchmark
PocketPC Benchmark
CE Performance
Gx Mark
While I don't have enough time right now, I may release later a complete Benchmark package with automations.
If you'd like to test & report various ROMs using such a package, please let me know
the free ram for crystal is wrong after you soft reset, the device will unload the dlls after few minuets. then the free available memory will become something around 27 Mg.
edit : I saw your last post Apparently you know what you are doing
about TNT rom being faster and more stable, well i'm not sure what we can improve. from my perspective the only thing different is the OEMDrivers. I will make a rom with same oemdrivers and test it later.
Thanks for your answer, I may remove the "most stable" statement later, as I need to test Crystal a bit more. But while I never got any pb with TNT, I got a few freezes since I installed Crystal. But I didn't do a "clean" 3rd-party softwares installation yet, have only put it under heavy loads and tests, so maybe the same would have happen with TNT.
Have a few more tests to complete tonight, then I'll HR and make a clean install, so that I can really test it for a few days.
Then, I'll report back
About speed, both are great. Regarding benchmark results, it looks like tnt is (a bit) faster at executing apps, but that (little) difference is of course not of a big importance. I was waiting for huge OS response-time improvements with the new way you've built that ROM, but I couldn't notice it. I may check that later, too.
It seems that the memory is handled much much better with that ROM. Though I didn't do any particular test, that's just an impression.
Is it because of the new OS build, or because of the new way you implemented drivers, I don't know, maybe you know ?
Regarding what you can improve, well I don't know what's involved in startup times, but I can clearly see BIG BIG differences between ROMs (at least until today is displayed and device usable), so I guess that could be a way to test drivers or the benefits of removing useless OS parts. Just a way to investigate, not a real issue, cause who still cares about startup times anymore if we have a stable ROM ?
updated testing protocol with battery usage, first results may come within a week, please consider to also contribute, we need a few samples
I think boot time is not that important as I don't reset my handphone unless there is problem or low on RAM that can't be free (mostly 1 month once). I'm more concern on usage performance and smooth scrolling of the navigation.
My comment here is after using Crystal v2 for one week, it is definitely much faster compare to pdaviet 4.0.0.6 and any WM5 rom. I try out my friend O2 Atom and Crystal v2 screen navigation is as smooth as O2 Atom. Overall Crystal v2 ROM does help to renew the feel of my handphone.
pierreye said:
I think boot time is not that important as I don't reset my handphone unless there is problem or low on RAM that can't be free (mostly 1 month once). I'm more concern on usage performance and smooth scrolling of the navigation.
My comment here is after using Crystal v2 for one week, it is definitely much faster compare to pdaviet 4.0.0.6 and any WM5 rom. I try out my friend O2 Atom and Crystal v2 screen navigation is as smooth as O2 Atom. Overall Crystal v2 ROM does help to renew the feel of my handphone.
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Yeah you're right, you all want to get the most reliable WM6 rom I guess, and so do I, that's why this thread is important. I don't really want to get more speed out of a ROM, I'll rather get a more reliable one, too. But, now, how would you compare them ? One could start a "bug requests" thread, but I think it should fit just in here. At least for bugs which aren't solved for now, that way we could get rid of them, at least if someone take care of 'em Please report
Another ROM performance thread I just found out, very interesting.
Maybe its an idea to make a wiki for this? Because its changing by day?
qtek s200, prophet 4.0:
spb benchmark index: 326.99
cpu index: 908.04
fs index: 143.67
graphics index: 2825.59
nice thread. update into directory
hope other can share their roms experience here
Very nice thread !
Well I finally have my new device and it looks like i might have a little time this weekend to make an update and fix some minor bugs in my rom. please post suggestions here. All suggestions need to be in my friday midnight EST. thanks
How about making these changes to your last ROM?
- 16mb page pool to see if it goes a little faster.
- Do not auto download the quick gps data during the setting phase, since the device does not have time and data connection yet at that phase.
- update the large menu text cab so that it works. I had to look for the cab elsewhere last time.'
- Focus on speed.
- Keep it ultra vanilla. This is your number one selling point for me. I don't want all third party application to be chosen by myself and not seeing duplicated application/old versions/unused application.
- Make sure it is spl1.2. Do not want to lose memory for useless applications.
- If you intent to use newer built (Are you thinking of Touch Pro?), make sure it still supports Gsen application, and has random access for contact application. I personally love these two features.
- Make sure it has no htc touchflo or Ftouchflo. Have Ftouchflosl trial version if you wish. Else leave it for user to decide.
- Again, leaveb out realVGA. Some of us don't use it anymore.
- Continue to leave out HTC Home, and have just one theme. HTC Home They are all add ons.
- An important bug to fix is its inabikity to delete POP3 mails. Currently I can only delete non-POP3 mail, but for my pop3 mail, I'm forced to sign into the web-mail to delete them to prevent mail-box overflow. This is a pain.
Frankly, I'm still so happy with your last ROM, although I feel the speed could be further improved. So if there is only one change, let there be just speed improvement.
Thanks irus. I look forward to your fantastic ROM.
I'm now using Michy's rom whose main merits are speed and stability, but I like your Gsen function very much. I hope you can integrate the above-mentioned features in your new rom.
I would suggest no changing from your latest rom which I think is perfect, only bugfixes.
Changing could be for a newer release while I think your last one deserves just a trimming to be a reference rom. (I can't download full messages from the mail program???)
I would say fix the known bugs, increase speed if possible. After releasing that version, you can spend sometime looking at other possibilities (lite version, other builds or base, new features, etc...).
The lite / vanilla builds never actually worked in the long run for me because it always seemed something was missing which caused other applications not to work properly. They always seemed fast and potentially stable for a few weeks. After installing my apps and heavy usage, it always seemed to have gone down hill. Nonetheless, a lot PPL here love them.
It is also very important that auto rotate, gsen, and other features continue to work because I believe a lot of PPL stuck with this base because that stuff work well with on this ROM.
I never tried your rom mainly because I had the impression it was missing MMS. I know it is fairly easy to install myself, but I hadn't time to look for a proper version.
If your rom contains MMS, then forget about this post
Yes! also mms. I would consider the missing of it nearly a bug to be fixed as it is a standard feature of the athena missing... It is true that most of us don't use mms, but just in case...
ok these are all good suggestions, i will keep them in mind
I currently use your FULL ROM/3.5 and find it to be excellent. I hope you will NOT include any real VGA additions. Every one of them I have tried so far causes display problems with my "must use" apps.
Thanks for all your hard work.
I've tested All Athena ROM available.
I am using now the Sogarth base, isn't the fastest, isn't the most complete, but it is stable, has gsensor, big htc home, audio player doesn't stop working in suspend mode, index bar in contacts, battery life is great WITH BT enabled and some diamond enhancements.
The probem is ... it has to be tweaked
.net35 AND net2.0 to have compatibility with older and newest applications (modaco netcf config), some registry tweaks to improve the speed , michy's sound enhancement are much better, athena sensor service has to be stopped, IMHO are needed:
1) a newest remote desktop,
2) wifirouter (ori ICS control) ,
3) schaps advanced config ,
4) moblue,
5) total commander,
6) irus fsplayer,
7) pocketrar,
8) omnia d3d drivers,
9) Gsen,
10) wkTask (HTC Xbutton removed),
11) cyberon voice dial
12) I need mms too
I don't need realvga, the applications I like could use VGA resolution without realvga! Last, but not least, having and athena ROM CLOSER to diamond ROM should be easy to have compatibility with diamond and raphael applications (the most "developed" HTC model)
I strongly suggest a newest Sogarth, not "Extreme" but improved one (SPL 3.5). and "Extreme Sogarth" lite SPL 1.2 and 3.5 tweaked for maximum speed
irus said:
Well I finally have my new device and it looks like i might have a little time this weekend to make an update and fix some minor bugs in my rom. please post suggestions here. All suggestions need to be in my friday midnight EST. thanks
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I have forgotten if you use the extrom.
If you don't , could you ask michyprima for his ap to access this .
It is called "Addins"
there's a new base rom popped up in the general forum..
Scratch that I can't find it now..
lakeman said:
I have forgotten if you use the extrom.
If you don't , could you ask michyprima for his ap to access this .
It is called "Addins"
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I think that app is good but only if you have the loop problem as all my roms are uc compliant, which is the same thing just launches from the sd card not ext rom.
my 2cents: irus in your knew rom maybe you can focus on a new build and speed speed speed.
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my 2cents: irus in your knew rom maybe you can focus on a new build and speed speed speed.
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well i like this build and i don't have the time for a full update but i will def focus on speed speed speed
build 20721 aku 1.4 is out r u planning for this
irus said:
I think that app is good but only if you have the loop problem as all my roms are uc compliant, which is the same thing just launches from the sd card not ext rom.
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I haven't used the uc app.
does it allow you to choose what you install , or does it install everything in the list?
lakeman said:
I haven't used the uc app.
does it allow you to choose what you install , or does it install everything in the list?
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it installs everything in the sdconfig.txt file but if you don't want something just delete that line of text. when i release my next version i will put a template of sdconfig.txt but this will only work for people without the loop problem.
Suggessions
Hi Irus,
What about the following:
1- Fnger touch
2- More diamnod drivers, graphics & functions like in ap5
3- check this link and sea if we can avail such functions http://www.touchxperience.com/
Cheers
wsayed said:
Hi Irus,
What about the following:
1- Fnger touch
2- More diamnod drivers, graphics & functions like in ap5
3- check this link and sea if we can avail such functions http://www.touchxperience.com/
Cheers
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sea = the ocean: "look at the ship way out there in the sea"
see = look: "did you see that?"
hope this helped
Hi Friends,
First of all, let me tell you that this is NOT MY ROM. I've found it on the 4PDA forum so i am sharing it with you guys.
IMPORTANT INFO : THIS ROM IS FOR NEW P3400 and P3400i with S/N HT8xxx. I DONT KNOW IT WORKS ON OLDER P3400 OR NOT. NOR I HAVE EXTENSIVELY TESTED IT ON MANY DEVICES. I AM RUNNING IT ON A P3400i with ONBL 1.17.000 and SPL 1.07.Oref.
The Good:
1. This is a Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM with all default features of Windows Mobile 6.1 including the new welcome center etc along with a few HTC customizations.
2. You have about 43 MB of free User Memory after installing this ROM and about 19-20 MB of free RAM.
3. Device runs very fast when compared to the Stock WM 6 ROM.
4. Quiet fast boot up time.
5. The ROM doesn't have any customizations from the creator, ie. It has default boot screen, default About screen etc.
6. No EDGE related problems and No Control Panel icons missing. (This is a problem with lomlom's fusion 9.0 ROM)
The Bad :
1. I doesn't include HTC HOME, although this may not be quoted as a problem. HTC Home hogs quiet a lot of memory than the individual Messaging, Date, Calander and Task plugins.
2. Task manager incuded in the ROM is quiet old one.
3. As with most WM 6.1 ROMs, Windows Live is not working.
Download it from HERE if you have a 4PDA.com account (This is the original location of ROM where i found it: http://4pda.ru/forum/dl/post/132256/ruu_signed.rar
Else download it from here (I uploaded it on 4Shared for people who dont have a 4PDA account) : http://www.4shared.com/file/76614292/60fceda7/WM61_Stock.html
Sorry for not posting any screenshots but believe me, there is nothing special to post as screenshot. Its a very plain, WM 6.1 ROM.
In my opinion, if this ROM had got Windows Live Working, i can definetly quote it as the most wonderful and simplest Windows Mobile 6 ROM for P3400 and P3400i. But sadly enough, Windows live isn't working even after appying fixes and updates. So i guess i'll have to live with the browser version of hotmail.
For users who need MSN messenger functionality can try out Fring, search for it on google. Its a free, multi protocol messenger supporting Yahoo!, GTalk, MSN, AOL and others.
Also for task management features, I would recommend using HomeScreenPlusPlus plugin. Download it for free from this forum.
Enjoy!
UPDATE: I would also recommend reading Post #6 for knowing about my experiance about the ROM after customising it fully.
Thanks a lot for posting the same, here.
Just a couple of doubts, may be silly.
You have stated the following:
2. You have about 43 MB of free User Memory after installing this ROM and about 19-20 MB of free ROM
I guess, it is 19-20 MB free RAM, right?
Secondly, does this ROM contain Touch FLO, pre-installed?...
And finally, how is the file/directory browsing compared to lomlom's ROM?
krazy_about_technology said:
Hi Friends,
First of all, let me tell you that this is NOT MY ROM. I've found it on the 4PDA forum so i am sharing it with you guys.
IMPORTANT INFO : THIS ROM IS FOR NEW P3400 and P3400i with S/N HT8xxx. I DONT KNOW IT WORKS ON OLDER P3400 OR NOT. NOR I HAVE EXTENSIVELY TESTED IT ON MANY DEVICES. I AM RUNNING IT ON A P3400i with ONBL 1.17.000 and SPL 1.07.Oref.
The Good:
1. This is a Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM with all default features of Windows Mobile 6.1 including the new welcome center etc along with a few HTC customizations.
2. You have about 43 MB of free User Memory after installing this ROM and about 19-20 MB of free RAM.
3. Device runs very fast when compared to the Stock WM 6 ROM.
4. Quiet fast boot up time.
5. The ROM doesn't have any customizations from the creator, ie. It has default boot screen, default About screen etc.
6. No EDGE related problems and No Control Panel icons missing. (This is a problem with lomlom's fusion 9.0 ROM)
The Bad :
1. I doesn't include HTC HOME, although this may not be quoted as a problem. HTC Home hogs quiet a lot of memory than the individual Messaging, Date, Calander and Task plugins.
2. Task manager incuded in the ROM is quiet old one.
3. As with most WM 6.1 ROMs, Windows Live is not working.
Download it from HERE if you have a 4PDA.com account (This is the original location of ROM where i found it: http://4pda.ru/forum/dl/post/132256/ruu_signed.rar
Else download it from here (I uploaded it on 4Shared for people who dont have a 4PDA account) : http://www.4shared.com/file/76614292/60fceda7/WM61_Stock.html
Sorry for not posting any screenshots but believe me, there is nothing special to post as screenshot. Its a very plain, WM 6.1 ROM.
In my opinion, if this ROM had got Windows Live Working, i can definetly quote it as the most wonderful and simplest Windows Mobile 6 ROM for P3400 and P3400i. But sadly enough, Windows live isn't working even after appying fixes and updates. So i guess i'll have to live with the browser version of hotmail.
For users who need MSN messenger functionality can try out Fring, search for it on google. Its a free, multi protocol messenger supporting Yahoo!, GTalk, MSN, AOL and others.
Also for task management features, I would recommend using HomeScreenPlusPlus plugin. Download it for free from this forum.
Enjoy!
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This ROM is only for new p3400 or P3400i,i have tried in Old p3400 and mine stuck in Boot mode,now flash the new GENE_WM6.1__1_17_720_02__B20764 by phamyang,it's better but i want an untouched WM6.1 ROM for old p3400 .If anyone have it please share.
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Thanks a lot for posting the same, here.
Just a couple of doubts, may be silly.
You have stated the following:
2. You have about 43 MB of free User Memory after installing this ROM and about 19-20 MB of free ROM
I guess, it is 19-20 MB free RAM, right?
Secondly, does this ROM contain Touch FLO, pre-installed?...
And finally, how is the file/directory browsing compared to lomlom's ROM?
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Yeh, the word is RAM. I've corrected that in my post.
File browsing os working perfectly. i have installed quiet many apps and still the windows folder is opening within 3-5 seconds.
No it does not have TouchFlo installed, it even doesn't have HTC home. Thats why there is so much free space. Its a very plain WM 6.1 ROM with all the features of WM 6.1 but very few customizations.
In fact, to tell you the truth, i dont miss Touch FLO coz it was a memory hogger. And now since it doesn't have HTC home built-in, i have installed HTCHome_1025_721_ALL.cab which is the 6 tab version of the HTC home. The 6th tab contains the music controller which can be used to play music using audio manager right from the HTC home screen.
The only problem this ROM has got is Windows Live! Thats it! I have searched a lot for a fix but haven't found any working one yet.
@ANKIT360 : Buddy as far as i have found out, the problem with Windows Live is connected to two things :
1. The original Windows Live that came in this ROM has some registry keys missing. For example, under HKLM\Services\Windows Live\Platform, the Transport key is missing.
2. There must be some problem with certificates etc that are causing Windows Live to not being able to communicate using SSL(Secure Socket Layer). WIndows Live uses SSL for communication purposes.
Maybe this information help somebody in finding a fix.
Thanks For sharing Man I am Going to try it tonight
Thanks a lot & keep Going
@swapnil_0081: My Pleasure man.
My Experiance with the ROM till now
UPDATE: Did about 25 different experiments with around 11 cabs, changing connections settings and installing different certificates. No avail, Windows Live and Messenger stuck at startup. Now i am not doing any more tries, even deleted the shortcuts to Live and Messenger from Start Menu.
Software i installed:
1. 6 Tab HTC Home plugin and HomeScreen Plus Plus for Today Plugins. HomeScreen Plus Plus also doubles as an always available task switcher and task manager. I needed this functionality very much as the HTC Taskmanager 2.0 is not included and task management is not possible from home screen without the HomeScreenPlusPlus plugin.
2. Mundu IM for muti protocol messaging, its paid but its great. It can connect to all the chat services and can do things that Fring cannot do, for example, adding new messenger friends.
3. WM5Storage for Mass Storage Mode
4. Resco File Explorer and GFinder+ for managing files.
5. TCPMP, YouTube, Nitrogen (Great Audio Player!), Flash Player 7, Flash Lite 2.1 and Real Player for Multimedia.
6. Opera 8.60 and Opera Mini 4.2 (Mini has great browsing speed with full website browsing, normal Opera is great for other stuff)
7. Yahoo Go! and Google Maps for maps and positioning.
7. iContact BERT Edition for finger scrolling Contacts, PCMImageViewer for Touch friendly Image Viewer and PCM Keyboard .14 for touch friendly keyboard.
8. Advance Config, FDCSoft TaskMgr 3.1, ClearTemp, PIMBackup, psShutXP, SoftKey (for changing functions of both softkeys on Today screen) and SKTools for system tweaking.
9. FDCSoft StartMenu for desktop Windows like cascading menu. Requires very less resources and normal start menu remains accessible as well. PointUI Home as an alternate shell.
10. Misc Software including FlashSMS (for sending SMS which show up directly on screen instead of going into inbox), CHMReader (for reading e-books in CHM format), Picsel Browser (A great E-book and document Reader), PocketRAR 3.8, SQL Server CE 3.5 with Query Analyzer (Databases can be created directly on device), VSPainter Lite (MS Painbrush like APP), Wordnet CE (Pocket Dictionary with a huge word database of 66 MB), Gerald Caller Location (It shows the network name and area name of person that is calling or being called, for India only) and OBEXinfo (changes the location to recieve files via bluetooth to SD Card.
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With such a comprehensive list of software installed, i have about 28 MB User space free, and 16-18 MB of RAM free after 10 minutes of system startup with HTC Home, Homescreen plus plus, Tasks and Appointment plugins running. And with default caching, FileSystem performance is good, Windows folder opening within 5-7 seconds of taping
Isn't is amazing guys! This ROM is quiet good, much better than others.
So far only 3 problem i have identified :
1. Windows Live (The hotmail part, messenger part is solved with Mundu IM) not working.
2. In the Encryption option in System Tab of Settings, the checkbox remains always checked although files are not being encypted (In other words, using encryption is not possible, but people dont use it anyways, mostly).
3. An Old version of task manager with no Today screen task management support is given. This could be solved by using th task manager or HomeScreen plus plus which is better due to the fact that it can be accessed anytime to switch between applications
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In short, i will recommend this ROM to everyone who wants to use WM 6.1 with faster device response. A little bit of tweaking, some software and a 2-4 GB of good quality memory card will make your gene as closely feature rich as other costly phones.
PHEW! Long Post! Sorry guys if you get bored from this post. But i wanted to share my experiance in detail with everyone.
krazy_about_technology said:
@swapnil_0081: My Pleasure man.
My Experiance with the ROM till now
....
PHEW! Long Post! Sorry guys if you get bored from this post. But i wanted to share my experiance in detail with everyone.
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First of all, thanks a lot for taking time for hosting as well as testing and giving such a long feedback. Really appreciate... You have been simply superb in this forum.
But, I am still a bit reluctant to flash this ROM over Fusion, just because of that RAM avaialbility. In Fusion, I have around 23 to 24 MB RAM free, even after running TouchFlo, Wisbar advance etc., as well as after installing a huge amount of softwares (some of them in storage itself), I still have around 16 MB free in ROM. So, I am just perplexed, as why should I flash this one.
The only advantage, I can make out in this rom, is fast "windows" directory browsing as well as booting. But, I feel these are the items which we don't do each now and then. Even, I am pretty satisfied about the responsiveness of Fusion rom, such as switching applications etc. Moreover, responsiveness of TouchFlo has been simply great, and never felt it as a memory hogger, as its RAM consumption has been consistent and may be because of the 28 MB free RAM, provided by Fusion on start-up.
I have also attached a screenshort here, in which you can see that around 20.21 MB RAM is free, even when the ROM is running Touch Flo, Wisbar Advance, Hi-Calc, Resco Explorer, Excel (with a document loaded) and SPB screenshort applications. There may be even other applications such as SPB Keyboard in the background. Isn't it cool? Moreover, swiching applications have been instantaneous too. When I click on the icon of a running application on the Wisbar, the app is displayed immediately, within a second.
Again, I am not at all trying to downplay the efforts put by you to upload this ROM on a mirror and give us not only the access but also the feedbacks and support. Just wanted to put the points here. May be, you will come up with valid arguments and make me flash this one. Just because you must be knowing much more about these stuffs than me, who is almost a newb.
Best Regards...
Hi Dheeraj!
Buddy, if the lomlom's ROM is working for that much great for you, you have no reason to flash this. In my case, it was not. I got only 16-19 MB free without running any app whatsoever, in the case of lomlom's. Plus there were icons missing in Settings tab, and small inconsistensies here and there. Moreover since i tinker around with my phone a lot currently, accessing the \Windows folder is a routine task for me, and with lomlom's ROM i was having a lot of problem with that. Talking about Manilla 2D, ya it looks fancy but after a week of use, i found that its not that usable with me, personally. For me the charm of it was over.
And apart from all this, I always wanted a ROM that works like stock WM 6 ROM of HTC, in short, gives the "Original" look to my phone but still provides me with all the features of WM 6.1. I dont know why but i dont like it when the original OS is crippled in anyway. In this ROM, nothing is missing from the original WM 6.1 installation as described on the feature comparison page for Windows Mobile on Microsoft website.
So in short, its a matter of personal tastes. Our needs are a bit different and so are our ROMS I guess if you dont feel any problem with lomlom's then stick with it. Its a great ROM too and i and other members have solved almost all problems that happen with it after first time boot, so someone should use the result of those efforts too
When i came to this forum, i found that GENE users and specially those with NEW GENE were just crying around with SPL problems and nothing was there as a choice for them in terms of ROM availability. Thats why i decided to do whatever efforts i can to make things better for this part of the forum, ie. The GENE section. Now, i am not a social worker, but i feel for people whom problems i can sense becuase i also have them
Thanks for your complements
HTC Applications in this rom like home plugin,comm manager ,task manager , audio manager,album are very old versions
Can any one help me to update that one
or cook this rom with newer versions ????????
Home plugin? its not even there buddy! ya the ROM is a bit old, but works nicely.
Help !!!!!
hi guys ...i have a new gene (s/n ht8xxx) can any one tell me the steps to update my old wm5 to the new one step by step ...... please .....
Buddy, the way is completly described here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2953612&postcount=2
Not to offend you or anything, please try to search before posting. Many of the custom ROM flashing problems with P3400 and P3400i have been already solved. Just a suggestion, Ok buddy.
And ya, although that tutorial references the lomlom's fusion ROM, you can use the ROM described in this thread too if you want to. The procedure is same, only use this ROM in place of fusion one.
thaaanx
thanx alot man ...u help me alot ....
Dear Krazy, Thanks for the Great ROM
Nice ROM. Thanks for ur Info Krazy. Using it on my P3400i HT8xxxx with SPL 1.07.oref.
Thanks Guys for your good words! Check out my new, self made WM 6.1 ROM which i will post tomorrow. Its a lot like this one with new version of software taken from Touch 3G and some goodies along with that. Currently, i am uploading it.
vishal
hey man i have downloaded wm6.1 rom as per given link but i m still not aware of its installation will u guide for that
is any body able to guide to install wm6.1 rom
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is any body able to guide to install wm6.1 rom
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^^ Did you happen to notice that there is a tutorial on the very first page about upgrading your Gene ?
why do they all want the ezyway
hi additcted & krazy
u guys are still very very nice guys i see u guys still wanting to help these @#$% are the words i wana say to these lazy guys it was different went i wanted to try no stiky no guide but now we have every thing
so all u new guys pls pls pls search read and then ask for help dont just expect help without u trying on ur own
Addicted2xda said:
^^ Did you happen to notice that there is a tutorial on the very first page about upgrading your Gene ?
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I'm thinking of another ROM line, to be good enough to use for business (so it has to be very stable) and with toned down, professional graphics. This will very much be a "clean" ROM, with no extra BS apps or addons. Can I hear some suggestions please ?
Looking forward to it..
As you already know, I'm not a huge fan of the HTC apps/enhancements, so I would leave those out with the option of installing via cab, or have them in the ROM with a working toggle to turn them off.
I would say do as many of the "under the hood" tweaks you can do without sacrificing stability.
As for graphics, I already like your taskbar in your WM6.5 series, and I think that could stay. I'm not sure what changes you would have in mind for graphics, but I think the graphics you have now are pretty clean.
Are you thinking of a WM6.5 ROM or a WM6.1 ROM? I didn't see that mentioned, so I thought I would ask since you've done both in the past.
i think you should go with stock graphics people customize if they choose. my ideal business rom would be like juicy's cdma one
"It's business, It's business time!" - Flight of the Conchords
I think this is a GREAT idea. Would this be 6.1 or 6.5? 6.5 is very close to being capable of generating a "stable" ROM.
Even though this is business oriented, I think anyone would much appreciate the style (icons, themes, graphics) that you put into your ROMs. Same would hold true for most of the enhancements. Maybe trim down some of the fluff.
simple is the Best
go for it am sure will be a good Rom.
Good Luck
WOW, another one. jeez, you gonna be busy LOL. I get frustrated sometimes with just the one version. More power to ya
What about a stock looking version? I know some people would like a ROM that is much better than the crappy one that comes preinstalled. I think you might get a lot of hits from a lighter ROM that looks semi-stock. As stable as stock, but with all the enhancements and tweaks you can squeeze into it. Possibly a 6.5 and 6.1 version.
I think it's a very good idea and in my opinion the ROM must be based on WM 6.1. Email/SMS/MMS/Vido call/WIfi/ must work without a hitch. You could include opera 9.7b and maybe IE 8.
These are my suggestions. Merci.
P.S. i only use your roms!
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I think it's a very good idea and in my opinion the ROM must be based on WM 6.1. Email/SMS/MMS/Vido call/WIfi/ must work without a hitch. You could include opera 9.7b and maybe IE 8.
These are my suggestions. Merci.
P.S. i only use your roms!
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Newer versions of PIE only work with 6.5 as far as I know. I agree that the most stable ROM is going to be 6.1, but if you go with 6.5 I would suggest an older build. 23001 seems like a turd to me. Went back to 21820 and its twice as fast with no bugs.
3 important things for a business ROM:
1. As clean as possible (only essential progs. installed, like Pim Backup, Adobe Reader, Pocket RAR, Google Maps, GPS Test)
2. Stable = reliable
3. Good battery life
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23001 seems like a turd to me. Went back to 21820 and its twice as fast with no bugs.
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lol i know what you mean
I have reverted back to 21018. After playing around with 4 later builds and a little go with 6.5 I am back here to old faithful. Very fast, battery burns lean, and every build i have tried later than this had some problem or other. slow/buggy or battery destroyer.
Easy to Use Dialer
Dialer:...................Accurate - consistent - easy to use - good speaker phone / mute / automated menu support
Three interfaces:....TF3D2 – Titanium – Win Phone Basic Text interface
Graphics:...............Clean with color - Landscape mode 6.1 style (quick easy buttons) Portrait Mode Action softkey
GPS:.....................Good stand alone support (no data plan)
MMS:....................Support for the largest attachments the carriers will allow
SMS:....................Good support for text conversations
Weather:...............Good support for text and graphic reports in all interfaces
Stocks:.................Good support for text and graphic reports in all interfaces
Wifi / Networking:...Corporate and HotSpot support
Programs Tab:........(TD3D2) 3 or 4 column option with app names under icons
Good battery life Business does not mean Boring – It means Practical Predictable Performance
Apps
I would say:
Remote Desktop
World Card
Adobe Reader
Office Suite (obviously)
Google Maps AND Live Search
All of the basics for GPS- QuickGPS, aGPS settings, etc.
Live Messenger (for Office Communicator support)
Those are the 'business' tools that I use most. Does that help?
yes yes yes
thank you for start takeing this as trend
please under the hood basic application
some applications in my rom i cant even remember when i used them
the most imprtant is Battary vs application ( i have charger at the car,home , office., .......poof....)
any small clock tic will eat somthing from the phone
Ram and heat.
my x1 cracked because of the heat, my ear after a good call get fride.
some rams goes above 60%
example i tried yesterday to put my phone in full withe new cocked rom( backlight full and battery power on ) the battarey draind in less than 2 hours, without any call or sms ... nothing
but applications like email,office,sms,organizer and contacts will be fine
yes please Business Edition is great what ever under the hood
Loved the Energy Rom3......but it was lacking (I could not find anyways) Voice Command applet. I use blue-tooth headset continually and have calls/messaging/reminders etc routed thru blue-tooth headset. Would love to see that in the business edition. That's mostly what this phone is used for.
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example i tried yesterday to put my phone in full withe new cocked rom... ...nothing
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This is an awesome idea... The chrome version was cool... but perhaps more emphasis on productivity. A nice action screen that brings up all of the things you would use on a daily basis and keeps them right at your fingertips... I know I need to take notes at a moments notice in my job... and it's hard to get things where I need them to be sometimes...
Also contacts and appointments are of the utmost importance... Constantly scheduling things and changing them around, it's nice to have things in an easily accessible spot...
Though I don't spend much time on the phone lately... I would imagine bluetooth would be crucial as well... and having as much control from the headset as possible would also be nice...
Then of course some "hey check me out *****es" graphics and apps that are streamlined and professional looking enough to show your boss when you pull the phone out and he asks "what the hell is that thing?"
That's just my $ 750,500,000 ZWD
Quite honestly, your current ROM is fit for business and displays appropriate graphics and tones. The add-ons are typically ones the manufacturers have missed and allow a much better experience than stock. I work with professionals everyday and when I show off ROM's from XDA, they often say if I had seen that at ATT or T-Mobile, I would have purchased this phone vs. Blackberry or iPhone.
This sounds like what I've been waiting for!
A simple WM6.5 interface that is stable and fast. No touchflo, as we all know that is not for business users. I think the best thing for this special business line, is that all the under the hood settings come pre-configured, and don't give us the option to make advanced config changes. I seriously waste so much time trying to tinker with the settings, and eventually make the device less stable.
Also this line should have one application for each function. I rarely need 15 chat clients, and 10 media apps!
Great idea.. Make sure to add Stock and Weather to Chome 6.5 These are helpful for those business travelers on the go with an eye on the market.. The JML Stocks plugin is sweet!!!!
Is this really needed?
I'm nearly new with this machine, but a very heavy Bussiness user of HTC PDAs for 5 years.
Comming from an Hermes, I have flashed your Energy Magic Rom 20090630 after two week of trying the stock one and threads reading here, and for me your main rom is fast, accurate, conservative with battery and completly perfect for work.
If someone feel titanium or tf3d improductive, it could be dissable. And the same could be done with the new menus and notification style.... To change three or four options in the default behaviour of your rom, that could be made with a few clicks here and there, don't justify a new line of roms.
Just my though...
I know these forums are getting less and less traffic but I thought I would bring up a thread that would spark some discussion on best configuration.
Let me first thank all the cooks that have contributed personal time into developing some great ROMs, without them the Athena would be only a shadow of the capable phone it is now. Let me also say I'm not a programmer at all and the following observations are just from my personal experience with some conjecture thrown in.
I think the development of ROMs have almost reached its apex in that I don't think we will get any more performance out of these devices until someone can implement the use of the ATI graphics chip. The reason I say this is because of the ROM I have settled on. After testing EVERY ROM (6.1 and 6.5)that is available on this forum I have settled for Michy RO clean 6.1 ROM. Out of all of them this one gives me the most available program memory (70 to 71 MB) and smoothest responce. In my experience because of the lack of the graphics drivers the more free program mem there is the smoother this device seems to run - same true with how well multiple programs will run. My current configuration is:
Michy RO 6.1 clean ROM (all items unchecked in "Today" so totally blank screen save for the task bar. gsensor turned off - thought with it on i see only a small decrease in program mem of about 250KB and still no lag. email set up and running)
SPB 3.5 Mobile Shell loaded (3.5 runs faster with smaller footprint than 3.0 and has a great new widgets implementation) - weather set up to auto update - works great btw!!
Small tweaks to the task bar icons (no effect on performance..just visual enhancements)
A handful of programs installed:
Pandora, Opera, google maps, WMtorrents, wmwifi, XM&Sirius radio player.
everything else is already installed with the ROM or from mobile shell like Adobe reader, MS office etc...
Performance is great, smooth transitions and fast as anything I have tested to date...carousel spins around smooth as butter with 0 lag. Program Memory is at 61MB (with SPB MS loaded and over 70MB with nothing loaded) and I have had 0 issues with bugs. I have found Opera 9.7 build 35541 to be the best running browser..its very fast (especially with turbo turned on) and almost gives me the same experience as the iphone one (my wife's phone). Only down side is that i cant take advantage of the hardware acceleration that SPB 3.5 mobile shell can use for extra eye candy.
Keep in mind i keep my phone in portrait mode almost all the time. I have found no matter what ROM is used if you go into landscape mode everything lags again because of the lack of hardware acceleration.
As far as the newer 6.5 ROM's, i have tried them all as well but as good as they are they still are not nearly as fast as my setup and wind up using more program mem then my configuration.
Please contribute to this thread if you feel moved to do so. Id like to see if any others have found a better setup that give great response and as much or more program memory than I have been able to set up.
Thanks...