is it me or is it very annoying to see all these post about roms that are not released yet or wont be released for a week or two or three .....i mean at least a screen shot ...or how about people using kitchen to cook a personal rom that taste like sh*t....is there any way to control this or rules to posting a new rom ......hope i dont sound stupid
also i would like to say i respect ever one for there work personal or public ......
I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with throwing out a teaser. It's like the 'Coming Attractions' at the movies. If you don't like them, just show up 15 minutes after the movie's supposed to start.
Unless every chef uses a diffrent theme each time, every screenshot is going to look the same. I can understand if someone is planning to roll out a new taskbar or something and it may not be cooperatiing, a screenshot may be a nice placeholder for its followers... but really, a screenshot is always going to be the same picture as all the others.
I think it is helpful for the chefs that are soliciting input on what to include in pending ROMS so that they can appeal to the masses. It does seem a bit odd however, to post a "Placeholder" for something without description or any request for input. However, it seems a small price to pay for getting to use the work and talents of others.
I do make some flashing decisions based on pending releases. For example, NATF should be close to his 5.0 release so I am waiting to flash that. (I don't know why we ever let him buy a house - A real productivity killer)
I guess you always have the option of simply not reading the "In Development" posts.
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I certainly concur in this thought process. As AdamNimrod said, unless you are providing a ridiculously new look or program or UI, OR if you are a seasoned chef who has been contributing for many many releases and have a large following.... there should be no teasers.
Most of the up and comming noob chefs out there are using Da_G's kitchen. Which means, out of the box, most Roms are looking identical. Just a couple tweaks here and there, such as the wallpaper. We arent seeing any new chefs who offer a groudbreaking earth shattering new rom.
The roms we see out there now have taken lots and lots of time, and tweaking and calibrating from the chefs, to be what they are. But when a new chef comes on the scene and states they have an awesome new rom, and it turns out to be identical to one released 4 days ago... its discouraging. However, on the flip side, even to the guy who releases a basic rom Im in debted, because I cant cook a rom to save my life. I just flash any and every rom and subsequent release, in the quest for the perfect rom!
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is it me or is it very annoying to see all these post about roms that are not released yet or wont be released for a week or two or three .....i mean at least a screen shot ...or how about people using kitchen to cook a personal rom that taste like sh*t....is there any way to control this or rules to posting a new rom ......hope i dont sound stupid
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Get over it.......Don't read the post then.....I agree with Farmer ted; it's like a teaser and keeps you interested. Just my 2 cents...
Im not sure if this is what he means.. but i find it abit hard to wade through some of the posts when trying to read up on roms and such... if only there was a page that listed all the roms and stages and such..... o O ( http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Cooked_WM6.1_ROMs or http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Cooked_WM6.5_ROMs ) too bad.. it doesn't seem like the one for 6.5 is used...
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Im not sure if this is what he means.. but i find it abit hard to wade through some of the posts when trying to read up on roms and such... if only there was a page that listed all the roms and stages and such..... o O ( http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Cooked_WM6.1_ROMs or http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Cooked_WM6.5_ROMs ) too bad.. it doesn't seem like the one for 6.5 is used...
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Oops, forgot abou that, added mine for good measure
IMO, They are the chefs let them determine how to set up the menu. I would rather see a placeholder with what they may be including on it to decide whether or not i will flash it. They could be worse, the threads would look like howardforums threads.
I agree.
Mods - Why can't we have a different section for teasers/quizzes/input-gathering-roms?
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That's actually why I don't cook & release ROMs. The way I see it, I'm using a tool that is available to everyone that visits the site, and unless I have something ground-breaking to offer, I'll let those that do contribute in that way. I will continue to try and find other ways to contribute, and cook ROMs for my own personal use. I have had a few people PM me & tell me they'd like to try one of my ROMs, but I wonder what makes them think that my ROM is any better than anyone elses? I don't have half the technical know-how of the chefs here. The tools provided on this site make it so easy for a n00b to feel like a pro - and really, that's all I am - a Senior n00b.
But I still appreciate the work that ALL the chefs, even the new ones, put into their work, and how they do what they can to assist those who decide to flash their ROMs. I'd much rather be the guy that goes around and helps out where he can.
So at any rate, I don't think there's anything wrong with generating anticipation for a new ROM release, though I do appreciate the point that if it's not offering something new & exciting, that it could be a disappointing read. Fortunately, such threads are clearly labeled, and can be ignored.
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No bro, it's not you. Those empty threads always make me think "why didn't this guy wait til he actually had something?" It is a waste of time and more importantly space on the first page of the forum. I personally always rate those threads low. I'm not recommending everyone do the same, but the option is there.
Half the time we hear a chef ask "tell me what you want" only to have tens of contradictory requests anyway. The other half of the time a chef says "This is MY personal ROM configured to MY liking. If you like it and want to use it great, if not don't bother." So I don't see the point of having a teaser. (not that I'm criticizing either style, I respect both. Just no place for teasers.) Besides, I've even seen teasers that NEVER get anywhere past that.
If you cooked your own ROM and you like it, chances are someone else will too. If you're bringing in the latest stuff from whatever device you ported it, that's exciting. If you're just announcing your intentions, well you haven't really done anything have you?
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No bro, it's not you. Those empty threads always make me think "why didn't this guy wait til he actually had something?" It is a waste of time and more importantly space on the first page of the forum. I personally always rate those threads low. I'm not recommending everyone do the same, but the option is there.
Half the time we hear a chef ask "tell me what you want" only to have tens of contradictory requests anyway. The other half of the time a chef says "This is MY personal ROM configured to MY liking. If you like it and want to use it great, if not don't bother." So I don't see the point of having a teaser. (not that I'm criticizing either style, I respect both. Just no place for teasers.) Besides, I've even seen teasers that NEVER get anywhere past that.
If you cooked your own ROM and you like it, chances are someone else will too. If you're bringing in the latest stuff from whatever device you ported it, that's exciting. If you're just announcing your intentions, well you haven't really done anything have you?
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+1 completely agree with you.
Just for an example NRG is missing for the last few days however couple of days back he had posted a lot teaser pics on what he is working on. So every one knows that something big is coming next and anxiously waiting for it even though there is no release date.
I do fine a little useless to teasers without any pics and without a release date but like others said in this thread, i will just ignore it and move on and probably wont be coming back to those threads.
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I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with throwing out a teaser. It's like the 'Coming Attractions' at the movies. If you don't like them, just show up 15 minutes after the movie's supposed to start.
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very true but even those have screen shots
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Get over it.......Don't read the post then.....I agree with Farmer ted; it's like a teaser and keeps you interested. Just my 2 cents...
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but some teaser should have more than " look i know how to use my camera " movies...i understand some people can use a kicthen but damn clone roms is what ill call them
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IMO, They are the chefs let them determine how to set up the menu. I would rather see a placeholder with what they may be including on it to decide whether or not i will flash it. They could be worse, the threads would look like howardforums threads.
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and most of the people doing this constantly have to tweak there roms every day
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No bro, it's not you. Those empty threads always make me think "why didn't this guy wait til he actually had something?" It is a waste of time and more importantly space on the first page of the forum. I personally always rate those threads low. I'm not recommending everyone do the same, but the option is there.
Half the time we hear a chef ask "tell me what you want" only to have tens of contradictory requests anyway. The other half of the time a chef says "This is MY personal ROM configured to MY liking. If you like it and want to use it great, if not don't bother." So I don't see the point of having a teaser. (not that I'm criticizing either style, I respect both. Just no place for teasers.) Besides, I've even seen teasers that NEVER get anywhere past that.
If you cooked your own ROM and you like it, chances are someone else will too. If you're bringing in the latest stuff from whatever device you ported it, that's exciting. If you're just announcing your intentions, well you haven't really done anything have you?
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this is exactly what i am saying but in better words ...kudos to you my friend.....there honestly should just be a teaser section
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very true but even those have screen shots
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but some teaser should have more than " look i know how to use my camera " movies...i understand some people can use a kicthen but damn clone roms is what ill call them
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and most of the people doing this constantly have to tweak there roms every day
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this is exactly what i am saying but in better words ...kudos to you my friend.....there honestly should just be a teaser section
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That was a quadruple post - learn to multi-quote, friend .
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That was a quadruple post - learn to multi-quote, friend .
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i knew i was going to get blasted for that i deserved it
but i do understand every ones look on it , and appreciate the replies ...but i hope this just pushes for more original work and to try to keep in mind that millions could be reading your post i screen shot or a new teaser section with rom info with a good screen shot of where people are going with it
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That was a quadruple post - learn to multi-quote, friend .
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i knew i was going to get blasted for that i deserved it
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First things first. I have always wondered how people quoted multiple times, thanks for giving me the term to search for!
just my .02; I dont have a problem with teasers at all but it does get old when a teaser is posted and nothing comes out for weeks or even months. With all due respect to the Chefs out there that can do alot more than I; If you're that far from release, wait to post the teaser so people dont lose interest by the time it comes out.
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(If request threads are frowned upon, my apologies. Feel free to delete or move this thread.)
Are there others of you out there that would appreciate a ROM that is a phone / PDA first and lotsa colorful graphics left to a minimum?
Here's why I ask. I've recently been looking at the reviews of the new HTC PURE (AT&T.) Looking at its TF3D screens my first reaction was, "I dig the blue theme, but man those mono color sliders sure look boring! The ROMs at XDA sure have better graphics!"
That was, however - a short lived reaction. . . .
We have a stock AT&T FUZE here in the house, and as everyone knows its theme is gray, gray, and more gray - boring.
However -
When a text message or email comes in, the little bright orange notification circles that pop up on the sliders are quite noticeable and stick out like a sore thumb. Some may consider this ugly, but it IS functional.
Once the modding stops and life restarts, these are, after all phone / PDAs. And in a busy life full of varying light conditions, the boring AT&T themes seem more useful than many cooked ROMs. Their basic two toned themes make it easier and faster to interact with the phone while on the go. The alerts are not distracted by the multicolors all over the interface.
I really do not like the features, bloat, and outdated stock AT&T ROM for the FUZE. And I really appreciate the great ROMs here on XDA and prefer them.
I'm wondering if there are others like me out there and a chef willing to make a go at a simple two toned ROM with bold alerts?
Feedback?
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(If request threads are frowned upon, my apologies. Feel free to delete or move this thread.)
Are there others of you out there that would appreciate a ROM that is a phone / PDA first and lotsa colorful graphics left to a minimum?
Here's why I ask. I've recently been looking at the reviews of the new HTC PURE (AT&T.) Looking at its TF3D screens my first reaction was, "I dig the blue theme, but man those mono color sliders sure look boring! The ROMs at XDA sure have better graphics!"
That was, however - a short lived reaction. . . .
We have a stock AT&T FUZE here in the house, and as everyone knows its theme is gray, gray, and more gray - boring.
However -
When a text message or email comes in, the little bright orange notification circles that pop up on the sliders are quite noticeable and stick out like a sore thumb. Some may consider this ugly, but it IS functional.
Once the modding stops and life restarts, these are, after all phone / PDAs. And in a busy life full of varying light conditions, the boring AT&T themes seem more useful than many cooked ROMs. Their basic two toned themes make it easier and faster to interact with the phone while on the go. The alerts are not distracted by the multicolors all over the interface.
I really do not like the features, bloat, and outdated stock AT&T ROM for the FUZE. And I really appreciate the great ROMs here on XDA and prefer them.
I'm wondering if there are others like me out there and a chef willing to make a go at a simple two toned ROM with bold alerts?
Feedback?
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looking on the ROM page I see many stock like or simple ROMS. Have you tried any of those? To me the idea behind cooked ROMS is to be different from the ones who use stock ROMS. I personally during a day go from my car to my office to a warehouse to my car then out to lunch at many different places then back to my office and then home as well as stores and shopping and have not had an interaction issue with a single ROM I have tried. Furthermore all ROMS put a notification icon on the task bar as well when you have mail or messages. For me functionality has never been an issue. What I would like is a more personal way to ad or remove apps I never use such as all the multimedia and messaging crap.
Try Timolol's ROMs as bare and boring as they can be but with great speed.
And this topic is not worth a new thread.
Please be careful next time you start a new thread.
yeah i would use timolols if ur interested in a bare looking and yet functional rom.
I concur with more function over looks
It would be nice to see more roms that are naked or use UC to put in the programs you want or exclude those that you may not need.
I'll take a look at Timolol's
sa-10 has a good idea with choice through UC.
One thing I like with many ROMs is the choice to run with TF3D or Titanuim baked into the same ROM. I was just wondering if there would be much popular support for an option to run with a very basic theme.
I don't dispute Solarenemy68's expereinces day to day. But for me, I have become vision impaired. I didn't want to make this thread about me or a disability, so I thought I'd see if other folks would find a simple to see, functional ROM useful.
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Try Timolol's ROMs as bare and boring as they can be but with great speed.
And this topic is not worth a new thread.
Please be careful next time you start a new thread.
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You wanna watch how you speak to people, who are you to decide what deserves a thread and what dosent
Quite an ironic response for someone with "Learn How to use XDA well.Love all.Respect all." in there sig lol
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You wanna watch how you speak to people, who are you to decide what deserves a thread and what dosent
Quite an ironic response for someone with "Learn How to use XDA well.Love all.Respect all." in there sig lol
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Watch how you speak ?! Read again and if you take offense to that your sissy nothing else.
Whats Ironic huh ?
Dude only if you had read the Rules in that link !
And Who am I to decide well, I'm a member of this community as much as you are !
Is anyone stopping you from posting something ?
Or you just go around flaming ?
The message about the thread was for the OP with respect okay ?
Not for you so stop sticking your leg in between.
P.S: if the OP got and problem with what i said he/she can please tell me. I meant no offense to the OP.
But strangers please stay out.
Peace.
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Watch how you speak ?! Read again and if you take offense to that your sissy nothing else.
Whats Ironic huh ?
Dude only if you had read the Rules in that link !
And Who am I to decide well, I'm a member of this community as much as you are !
Is anyone stopping you from posting something ?
Or you just go around flaming ?
The message about the thread was for the OP with respect okay ?
Not for you so stop sticking your leg in between.
P.S: if the OP got and problem with what i said he/she can please tell me. I meant no offense to the OP.
But strangers please stay out.
Peace.
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would it not be an idea to talk to an moderator instead of saying this things that can be dually explained ?
PS: maybe not the right timing but it would be a good idea to let chefs make a bare rom and just add the stuff through UC which one can download and unpack on a sd-card ?
I don't mind a MOD judging me as I was not Wrong !
I can't stand baseless acquisitions !
And will defend myself.
And UC on SD card would be good but then the ROM of one chef would not be different from anothers which would make things repatitive.
Plus UC will take so long to install so many apps and things.
People will have different demands and many demands for custom UC.
But maybe it could be tried by upcoming chefs.
Just PM'd two MODs Captain_throwback and the-equinoxe two look into the matter.
I will agree with whatever they will say.
No offense was taken.
Many times how I express myself in text is misunderstood as text doesn't allow for tone of voice, pauses, voice inflectoin etc.
So, Im not one to cast stones on this. No harm, no foul.
That said, I didn't post this thread to attract trouble or controversy.
I simply wished to make a request where chefs and patrons could take note and chime in if they like.
Yes, this was posted selfishly seekling a ROM a bit more user friendly to my disability. But before posting I tried to phrase things inclusively with the idea others might also like such a ROM for whatever reason.
Just a request, wondering if others feel they would benefit too.
No trouble intended.
NBP Pipsquack Bird said:
No offense was taken.
Many times how I express myself in text is misunderstood as text doesn't allow for tone of voice, pauses, voice inflectoin etc.
So, Im not one to cast stones on this. No harm, no foul.
That said, I didn't post this thread to attract trouble or controversy.
I simply wished to make a request where chefs and patrons could take note and chime in if they like.
Yes, this was posted selfishly seekling a ROM a bit more user friendly to my disability. But before posting I tried to phrase things inclusively with the idea others might also like such a ROM for whatever reason.
Just a request, wondering if others feel they would benefit too.
No trouble intended.
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glad to hear that.
you don't need to be sorry OP.
you are at no fault
glad to see you 2 get along now all of a sudden
donno what happend but it is gifted by the gods
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I was never against the OP !
This thread seems to be a fair request, imo.
That being said, it's always a good idea to look at the ROM threads before posting, to see which ROM meets your needs. If you don't see one, perhaps starting a thread like this gives the OP an opportunity to get people's opinions. This isn't one of those "which ROM is the best" threads, which serve no real purpose, as the answer to that question is quite subjective.
I'm glad to see that the disagreement has been worked out.
I'm also not one for "pretty over functional" ROMs, though don't get me wrong - I like pretty. But I also like having the latest features/ports working on my device (i.e. Manila 2.5).
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I'm actually close to (FINALLY) releasing my own ROM, which I'm *trying* to keep simple and functional (it's tough though, with so many goodies out there). My philosophy is to install as many apps as possible via CAB, rather than cooking in, which not only keeps the \Windows folder cleaner, but allows the end-user to uninstall anything they don't like or won't use. I actually created the placeholder for my ROM 2 months ago, and it's just now finally getting to the point of completion (several ports and hundreds of builds later). Maybe you'll want to check it out, in addition to the other suggestions offered here.
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Anyway, just make sure everyone keeps respecting each other here in the forum. We just here to help each other. No reason to scold anyone for starting a thread. If it shouldn't be here, the Mods will take care of it.
Yes, it would be great to have a basic ROM, all,ost all the other ones are overloaded with things most people don't need...
You then could upload a package with CABS so that people can install only the things they want.
It would be great indeed...
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This thread seems to be a fair request, imo.
That being said, it's always a good idea to look at the ROM threads before posting, to see which ROM meets your needs. If you don't see one, perhaps starting a thread like this gives the OP an opportunity to get people's opinions. This isn't one of those "which ROM is the best" threads, which serve no real purpose, as the answer to that question is quite subjective.
I'm glad to see that the disagreement has been worked out.
I'm also not one for "pretty over functional" ROMs, though don't get me wrong - I like pretty. But I also like having the latest features/ports working on my device (i.e. Manila 2.5).
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I'm actually close to (FINALLY) releasing my own ROM, which I'm *trying* to keep simple and functional (it's tough though, with so many goodies out there). My philosophy is to install as many apps as possible via CAB, rather than cooking in, which not only keeps the \Windows folder cleaner, but allows the end-user to uninstall anything they don't like or won't use. I actually created the placeholder for my ROM 2 months ago, and it's just now finally getting to the point of completion (several ports and hundreds of builds later). Maybe you'll want to check it out, in addition to the other suggestions offered here.
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Anyway, just make sure everyone keeps respecting each other here in the forum. We just here to help each other. No reason to scold anyone for starting a thread. If it shouldn't be here, the Mods will take care of it.
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Appreciate that you had a look here.
And wasn't scolding was just expressing what i felt.
And i think i can do that
Yeah solved OP got no problem i got no problem.
But Captain i heard that once apps are cooked in ROMs they perform better rather than when installed ?
Could you explain that ?
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But Captain i heard that once apps are cooked in ROMs they perform better rather than when installed ?
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It all depends. If you're talking about an app that is located in \program files, it doesn't matter at all how it got there. Apps that appear in rom (in the \windows folder) can work much better when cooked in (voice command comes to mind).
I would love to have a clean ROM. I have acculmulated most of the Software that I won't already in CABs. I have found a lot of really nice ROMs out there but say in 1 I don't like this feature, or in another, I don't like that. I wouldn't mind having just a ROM cooked WinMo 6.5.#, a good radio with only Titanium setup to work with my Fuze on ATT and I can probley do the rest. I don't generally run Manila and the only HTC specific programs i really like are the HTCcalculator and the HTC Comm Manager.
If you look at my signature, I'm still running Bionix Fusion 1.1 (JI6 build).
Vibrant development has taken off lately, given the recent leaks of different builds in such a short period of time (JK2,JK6,JL1). Ive pretty much flashed all the major ROM releases, including Gingerclone and Nero, and I find myself unsatisfied.
I always find myself reverting back to JI6 and I cant put my finger on why. Granted, I'm not as caught up in the goose chase of staying current as some others may be, but for the sake of keeping up with the forum/development and enjoying new mods/themes/features, you would think it would behoove me to upgrade to a current build. Yet I still cant bring myself to commit.
Now, IMHO these ROMs based off of leaks are very very good stuff, but still not as stable (by that i mean as smooth as silk) as previous builds, and they tend to be a bit buggy. I think this is a major factor for me.
It could also be that I currently have my phone setup EXACTLY the way i want it (theme/appearance, modifications), and I dont want to have to go and dig around for everything for the newer build. Yes, its laziness, but what can i say.
There are things out there that are available for newer builds that are not for older builds, but i still dont feel the trade-off is worth it.
Does anyone else feel this way, or am I now old-fashioned??? Like you just reach a point when youre reallly happy with your phones setup, combined with getting just a little exhausted with the constant changing? Dont misunderstand, this is not me wishing that development would stop. Hell no. Im talking about that feeling you get when you dont have the energy to upgrade on such a constant basis, even though you want to keep up with the crowd (the forum)
you need justification for your setup?
wasted space.
My 2 cents, the reason why there are so many new roms are because of the leaks. For the JK2,JK6,JL1 - These are just Modems not the actual roms.
You can upgrade your phone to the newer modems without having the need to do a complete install or mess up your themes. Just so that you know, these new modems are supposed to give you better reception & Improve GPS performance.
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whats your problem? why are you always on my case??
GENERAL section, im bored at work and its something i was thinking about and id like to hear if anyone thinks the same way.
Hey, i have an idea....EVERY time i think about posting I will PM you, and I will ask you if you personally are interested in what im going to post, and if it meets your seasoned standards.
Piss off with your pitiful, embarassing internet ego. As mad as your post made me, as im typing this, all i can think about is how much better my life must be than yours, considering that i dont have to gutlessly cyber-bully people on forums to compensate for the alienation i experience in the real world. Flag me for flaming, i wont lose any sleep, pal.
Attend the "Town Meeting" tomorrow, you may learn something. I personally am not attending, and its because of members like you. Members who have been around for a while and break every forum rule, yet never get disciplined and probably never will. I dont care how many posts you have, or how much you contribute, no one should be immune to discipline. Yet, somehow, dicks like you are allowed to roam free with no consequences. Im simply trying to start a relevant discussion, and instead of easily passing over it, you come in and immediately start trying to derail/bellittle it. do you have ANYTHING better to do?
Guys, lets just relax and stay on point here. You can always ignore comments you do not like.
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Guys, lets just relax and stay on point here. You can always ignore comments you do not like.
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thanks for responding dude, but honestly i dont give a sh*t anymore, everyone preaches "respect other members" and that concept is absolutely non-exsistent....hes probably rubbing his hands together going "haha i ruined his thread immediately, and now hes flaming me so ill probably get him in trouble"...and the dude is alllways giving me crap....sad existence
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Thanks for responding anyway.....i didnt realize you could flash any modem with any build.
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Open ODIN and select Select Phone and point to the Modem file.
Whatever floats your boat, if JI6 works for you then stay with it. ROMs are like a work of art, you may like one artwork over another, its all individual preference. I was flashing ROMs frequently until I settled on Macnut R14, it will be my daily driver for a while....
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Open ODIN and select Select Phone and point to the Modem file.
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yah i know how to flash....just didnt know that it would function properly....good to know though, thanks
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yah i knwo how to flash....just didnt know that it would function properly....good to know though, thanks
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You are welcome.
After searching through the changelogs of many of Team Whiskey's and Master's Axura roms, I have noticed that many of the changelog features are framework changes and new skins on the stock rom. That being said, I am not flaming anyone as I do appreciate their work but are many devs for the Vibrant skinners or true coders such as Barack, Eugene, etc?
Again, THIS IS NOT A POST TO START FLAMING PEOPLE!
I'm going to leave this open for the time being with the understanding that the thread may be closed by the designated Moderator for this forum the moment the thread goes off-topic.
I'm about as "true developer" as you can get. I've written software in machine language and entered it in hex with a 16-key pad. I've written embedded systems. I've written software that was good enough that MS bought the company. I've written drivers. I've run dev shops with 400 employees. I have systems in production that process more than $150 billion worth of annual global transactions. There isn't a lot in the software world that I haven't tried my hand at.
And *I* don't have the time to screw around with building something like Nero v3. But I flashed it the other day and it rocked the tits off my previously-stock-Eclair phone, and I was pretty satisfied with the whole thing, and it never once occurred to me to wonder whether the TW guys were "real" developers or not.
In short: who cares? I willing to bet I can lay claim to the title "developer" on par with the hardest of the hardcore coders here, and I'm here to tell you if it bothers you that they're calling themselves developers because you suspect they may not size up to your standards, you should probably just move along -- or keep it to yourself.
Maybe a swift kick in the balls would've been kinder.....a little over the line I think. I really don't care who it is, but anyone who takes the time to change framwork or "reskin" a ROM has done more than my fat little fingers can do. They may not all be as great as Team Whiskey or Eugene, but they still develop something, so in short, sure they are all developers. As long as someone gives credit where due, and asked permission where necessary, then the laws of the universe are still being followed......
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After searching through the changelogs of many of Team Whiskey's and Master's Axura roms, I have noticed that many of the changelog features are framework changes and new skins on the stock rom. That being said, I am not flaming anyone as I do appreciate their work but are many devs for the Vibrant skinners or true coders such as Barack, Eugene, etc?
Again, THIS IS NOT A POST TO START FLAMING PEOPLE!
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I think it is a fair enough question to post... but I ask you, what is it that you hope to answer or establish? Guidelines to correct nomenclature? E-peen? I just don't quite get the nature of your interrogatory...
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Kudos to you... that is exactly why a functioning MOD committee is a great thing for XDA. I applaud your commitment to open discourse.
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I'm about as "true developer" as you can get. I've written software in machine language and entered it in hex with a 16-key pad. I've written embedded systems. I've written software that was good enough that MS bought the company. I've written drivers. I've run dev shops with 400 employees. I have systems in production that process more than $150 billion worth of annual global transactions. There isn't a lot in the software world that I haven't tried my hand at.
And *I* don't have the time to screw around with building something like Nero v3. But I flashed it the other day and it rocked the tits off my previously-stock-Eclair phone, and I was pretty satisfied with the whole thing, and it never once occurred to me to wonder whether the TW guys were "real" developers or not.
In short: who cares? I willing to bet I can lay claim to the title "developer" on par with the hardest of the hardcore coders here, and I'm here to tell you if it bothers you that they're calling themselves developers because you suspect they may not size up to your standards, you should probably just move along -- or keep it to yourself.
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Listing your credentials may (and I stress may) have been a bit over the top... but point well taken nonetheless.
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Maybe a swift kick in the balls would've been kinder.....a little over the line I think. I really don't care who it is, but anyone who takes the time to change framwork or "reskin" a ROM has done more than my fat little fingers can do. They may not all be as great as Team Whiskey or Eugene, but they still develop something, so in short, sure they are all developers. As long as someone gives credit where due, and asked permission where necessary, then the laws of the universe are still being followed......
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Also very fair point...
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After searching through the changelogs of many of Team Whiskey's and Master's Axura roms, I have noticed that many of the changelog features are framework changes and new skins on the stock rom. That being said, I am not flaming anyone as I do appreciate their work but are many devs for the Vibrant skinners or true coders such as Barack, Eugene, etc?
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Soo, you call two set of dev teams just skinners.. and one team coders, yet expect not to start a flame war?
I also don't know how you get "many of master's axura roms" there is only ONE axura rom.. And if you look at features, you could tell that it is not just a "Skin" you could also tell that in the change-logs if you looked past "Just framework mods" framework mods aren't just images btw.
If you honestly don't want to start a flame war, it is best not to post these types of threads.
I've considered this question myself and the answer I've come up with is, I don't care.
Whether they're truly writing new code or just reskinning or theming it's still more than I can do. They do it in their spare time and offer their work to us for free. So I guess my question to you is, what difference does it make?
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Listing your credentials may (and I stress may) have been a bit over the top... but point well taken nonetheless.
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I have a pretty strong suspicion that the OP is a developer and is trying to pull the "harder-core than thou" card, so it seemed appropriate at the time.
There is ALWAYS somebody better than you. If you're smart, you'll call those people "employees."
I agree with that I don't really care, as long as who ever it may be, don't start releasing garbage that bricks my phone, I'm content.
I don't run an empire of $888.000.656.99...gabillion dollars with 2 interlaced brains that can code the matrix's live wallpaper, but in my little, I'm able to flash a ROM or 2.
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After searching through the changelogs of many of Team Whiskey's and Master's Axura roms, I have noticed that many of the changelog features are framework changes and new skins on the stock rom. That being said, I am not flaming anyone as I do appreciate their work but are many devs for the Vibrant skinners or true coders such as Barack, Eugene, etc?
Again, THIS IS NOT A POST TO START FLAMING PEOPLE!
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When you write something remotely as good as Axura or V3 then you can make these statements.
Until then you're just being an ignorant troll.
The op is a flame in itself, why is it still up?
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The op is a flame in itself, why is it still up?
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^^Have to agree personally.
Anyway, anyone who develops something is a developer (dur). This means themes, mods, guides, roms, etc.
As for the ignorant comment the OP made about changelogs, most "devs" don't take the time to list off every detail of the performance enhancements they made. Why? Because you wouldn't know what they're talking about if they did, and there's too many to list. If you're one of the few that could actually read and understand such a changelog, then you probably could be/are making your own roms anyway.
Yes some roms available on any phone's forum are more build around aesthetic changes, while others are geared towards efficiency, while others for raw power. That doesn't make one superior to another, but rather simply built for a different consumer.
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^^Have to agree personally.
Anyway, anyone who develops something is a developer (dur). This means themes, mods, guides, roms, etc.
As for the ignorant comment the OP made about changelogs, most "devs" don't take the time to list off every detail of the performance enhancements they made. Why? Because you wouldn't know what they're talking about if they did, and there's too many to list. If you're one of the few that could actually read and understand such a changelog, then you probably could be/are making your own roms anyway.
Yes some roms available on any phone's forum are more build around aesthetic changes, while others are geared towards efficiency, while others for raw power. That doesn't make one superior to another, but rather simply built for a different consumer.
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i just made a do-do in the toilet, am i a developer?
jk lol
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most "devs" don't take the time to list off every detail of the performance enhancements they made. Why? Because you wouldn't know what they're talking about if they did, and there's too many to list. If you're one of the few that could actually read and understand such a changelog, then you probably could be/are making your own roms anyway.
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I have to agree with this. I remember on Obsidian V5 Sombionix listed in the change log in great detail what he changed including userscripts and kernel tweaks only to be bombarded with questions about what they meant/do. A lot of the users don't understand the technical aspects and just want something "cool." Devs already get blasted with a barrage of questions and really don't need to add more fuel to the fire so to speak. It seems the OP more or less called TW and Master "skinners." The above says otherwise regarding TW and as for Master just look at the layout of his latest "beast" not to mention the Sense port he got booting on our phones. I would definitely call this development, wouldn't you agree?
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i just made a do-do in the toilet, am i a developer?
jk lol
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I know you were only making a joke, but basically (using it as an anology of course) yes. Is a kid that picks up an instrument for the first time a musician? Yes. Is he good or does anyone care that he's a musician? Probably not (other than his parents). Should he share his work with the world? Again, only his parents should hear it.
The point isn't "are you or aren't you a developer" it's simply a mater of what we percieve as different levels in skill. This doesn't even mean that our perception is accurate, but we're entitled to our opinions. And if you think a developer should have kept his work to himself or herself, then don't download it, and all is right in the world.
So yes, if you develop crap, you're still a developer, just maybe shouldn't share your product with the world
Zip Developer, Cyanogen and his Merry men or somebody dropping pure source I can careless. They contribute more than half the downloaders and requesters wanting more.
I say let them do their Jobs and be greatful they are here. Use somebody elses work and give them credit as long as its an option. I like options
I've got thick skin so feel free to throw things.
Watching the forum over the last month I've seen a proliferation of ROMs to the point that I've stopped updating - also partly because my favorite and second favorite teams have stopped putting out new versions. I finally succumbed to the burning urge to try another ROM last night but ended up with buyers "meh."
The ROM environment has become so fragmented that it's hard to know what the advantage of ROM a is over ROM b other than appearance.
A comment from one of the ROM makers brought the problem into sharp focus. "I've renamed my ROM because I didn't know one of my team members already had a ROM named X."
How can you be part of a "team" and not know what's being produced by that team?
It seems like we've got more themers producing work in the form of full ROMs rather than themes. I've got nothing against themers, I love packages that can completely change the look of my device and I'm always on the lookout for cool new themes.
I'd rather see ROM maintainers and themers working together where the former group produces faster and more reliable ROMs while the latter group produces mods for those ROMs.
Do the two groups just not want to work closely together or are there predominantly just mostly lone wolves working at the ROM/theme level in Android?
Wrong section. Suppose to go in q&a (QUESTIONS and answers)
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I disagree because it's directly applicable to development and is aimed at the developers. It's not a general q/a question
I agree with this. There's no need to make a "rom" if you just change the theme. Just make a theme and zip it up then post it in the themes section. And oh yea I believe people refer to these people as "winzippers".
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OP has a great point about our forum here. Ive really stopped doing anything but for my own use, and with the exception of a few real roms put here, I've watched our Vibrant area here turn into a rom porting paradise, without a lot of original work done by people calling themselves devs. Several of these self proclaimed devs have asked me for help with recent projects, and have then been unable to provide even a simple logcat for diagnosis. If someone cant pull a logcat or understand how to do other basics, you really need to take your time and learn.
It is okay to theme and do little things while you learn, and take the time to put out a quality product, instead of a hurried build thats half broken. We have a slight handful of true devs out here, and a whole bunch of people who want to learn, but seem to be in too much of a hurry to kang others work and not really learn how to build a rom from the ground up. Its a damn shame.
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I agree with Br1cK'd. There are a lot of "devs" lately that seem to be kanging together half broken ROM's. I can't tell you how often lately I've flashed something only to find major bugs, when the OP claims that the ROM is 100 percent working and bug free. It seems that most of the more skilled developers have moved on to newer devices. I'm all for people learning but they need to do a lot of quality control before they post their work on XDA.
are you tryna say my team member ferhanmm that did an error ? whats up with you son?>
But then... what actually constitutes a "Rom".
For as far as I know, according to CM6/7/Miui people, only theirs are truly "Roms", as they are built from ground up.
Everything else is just a themed stock Rom, or improvements to existing Sammy framework. (Which I still love btw)
If there were malicious Roms that are purposely bricking systems, then I would argue for stricter requirements for releases. But as it stands, I think the openness of this forum allows users and developers alike to find what makes them happy.
I just think in general, Rom devs/maintainers get more credit (Thanks button hits?) than purely themers. As there is a feeling that themers kind of "work for" Rom Devs... Which is why people tend to package their work as Roms instead of themes (So their work seems less derivative or what not)
Wrong section, but I agree.
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Br1cK'd said:
OP has a great point about our forum here. Ive really stopped doing anything but for my own use, and with the exception of a few real roms put here, I've watched our Vibrant area here turn into a rom porting paradise, without a lot of original work done by people calling themselves devs. Several of these self proclaimed devs have asked me for help with recent projects, and have then been unable to provide even a simple logcat for diagnosis. If someone cant pull a logcat or understand how to do other basics, you really need to take your time and learn.
It is okay to theme and do little things while you learn, and take the time to put out a quality product, instead of a hurried build thats half broken. We have a slight handful of true devs out here, and a whole bunch of people who want to learn, but seem to be in too much of a hurry to kang others work and not really learn how to build a rom from the ground up. Its a damn shame.
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first of all about the logcat ? did you learn alone ? i guess that if someone ask you, its nno bad to help is it ? because i bet some one showed you...now about the kang, so almost every rom here is a kang right ? almost all roms based on stocks from i9000s and stocks kb1`s isnt it ?... i guess this people have the right to learn, but seems you guys that already know a little dont like to help huh?
I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.
I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.
I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.
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I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.
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as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid
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I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.
I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.
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+1
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I did my first root about two month ago. Since then I have tried about 20 various roms or updates to them. I tried one last week that seemed to be a copy from an established developer. The other team got really pissy and used alot of immature slang when confronted. I will no longer use any roms from them. I agree that people should learn from the ground up before posting roms and stop the plagiarism.
I appreciate the hard work of the legitimate developers on this site.
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I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.
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dont pay attentionn to this ppl fer.. day just stupids ... look at thhe quote i made above.. its just stupid, they want us to redo the same **** that is already made... for example.. whats the need to do a gps fix when jellette made one already ? its just stupid
them may be half a$$ed devs but them gotta have donate button
Bosina & Br1cK'd, first, thanks for your input and participation but this thread isn't about helping or not. It's about packing up thematic changes and publishing them as a ROM rather than a theme bundle.
If a group of members wants to debate about newbies not giving as much as they get, please start a new thread.
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as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid
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this dude ha ha shut up im trying to read and your comments are unnecessary and full of hate and You act like You are a Big Time developer who dont take s**t from anyone , go smoke something and relax , i dont see Team Whisky complain or Eugene, just You big time savior .
But if the teams join there will be more people to split the donation money between so maybe thats why people stay separate ?
Hi wanted to know what ICS is much better than the stock released ICS?? I tried jellybean but I cant stand the reboots!!! Any help would be appreciated thanks!:silly:
CM9.1 stable build. Always my go to ROM when I need stability. Never had any issues.
It's all a matter of opinion and personal preference. Everyone has a different answer, which is why it is kind of frowned upon to start this kind of a thread... again and again. Just go try some out until you find one that YOU like.
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Hi wanted to know what ICS is much better than the stock released ICS?? I tried jellybean but I cant stand the reboots!!! Any help would be appreciated thanks!:silly:
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You might wanna consider looking at padawan. Very fast ROM with the nature ux tw launcher.
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It's all a matter of opinion and personal preference. Everyone has a different answer, which is why it is kind of frowned upon to start this kind of a thread... again and again. Just go try some out until you find one that YOU like.
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I find it kind of ridiculous for you to say that, I'm just asking others opinion and at the end of the day it really makes no difference because I have to try it myself to decide if it suites me. I don't know about you but I don't have all day to try a bunch of cooked roms. So I ask peoples opinion so I narrow my search down then I will give the last few recommendation a try!
I'm quite partial to Flapps Rom release 12. with a 13 day uptime who can complain. Stable, smooth and good battery life. Well, until I started playing ingress
Though I am hesitant to mention Flapps ROM as it isn't on XDA anymore, but I'm sure if you google FlappJaxxx and a couple key words like FJ Mod Build #12 you can find it easy enough.
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I find it kind of ridiculous for you to say that, I'm just asking others opinion and at the end of the day it really makes no difference because I have to try it myself to decide if it suites me. I don't know about you but I don't have all day to try a bunch of cooked roms. So I ask peoples opinion so I narrow my search down then I will give the last few recommendation a try!
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Forum Rule #1, http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=1494, is Search Before Posting. My sig contains a handy search link, or on the right side of your screen there is a search tool. Try using it.
If you "don't have all day" then why are you on XDA? Most of us have tried many ROMs. I am sure I have tried at least 15-20 different ROMs on my Note, many with multiple version updates. I have flashed my phone well over 50 times. And I have a job, a family, and a life. Your lack of time is of no interest to me.
If you actually would read some of the threads for ROMs rated 4 or 5 stars, you could easily tell if they are any good. Lots of opinions in those threads.
Funny that you admit yourself, "at the end of the day it really makes no difference because I have to try it myself to decide if it suites me". Waste of time thread that has been asked and answered many times. But you think I'm ridiculous.
I now think that the latest cm10.1 is better than 9. Much Snappier.
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Forum Rule #1, http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=1494, is Search Before Posting. My sig contains a handy search link, or on the right side of your screen there is a search tool. Try using it.
If you "don't have all day" then why are you on XDA? Most of us have tried many ROMs. I am sure I have tried at least 15-20 different ROMs on my Note, many with multiple version updates. I have flashed my phone well over 50 times. And I have a job, a family, and a life. Your lack of time is of no interest to me.
If you actually would read some of the threads for ROMs rated 4 or 5 stars, you could easily tell if they are any good. Lots of opinions in those threads.
Funny that you admit yourself, "at the end of the day it really makes no difference because I have to try it myself to decide if it suites me". Waste of time thread that has been asked and answered many times. But you think I'm ridiculous.
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Number 1 I did not say that I haven't done any of my own searching, I clearly stated that I don't have all day to try each and every build. No.2, why are you wasting your time reading my post you clearly have no intention of helping, so why don't you keep it moving? I swear I think some of you guys forget what the forums for! I thought it was meant for members to assist one another. Well any ways, I was basically asking for members opinion, if you don't like it keep it moving! Couldn't care what dev made what to me their all great developers, I'm just asking reviewers what rom they had better luck with as stated before to "narrow my search!" FOR EVERYONE ELSE THANK YOU!! :good:
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I now think that the latest cm10.1 is better than 9. Much Snappier.
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You did get random reboots correct? because I tried it a while back and I would get 1 to 2 reboots per day!
If you want something closer to stock ICS experience, but with no bloat, I would recommend Padawan v5 or Nebula.
The beef with this type of post is that this exact question has been asked many many times in the past.
If you do not have time to look into every ICS rom out there, at the very least, search if someone else has asked this very question. You will find your answers in those threads, instead of posting a new thread. And I think that is what the rule "Search before posting" is asking you to do.
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If you want something closer to stock ICS experience, but with no bloat, I would recommend Padawan v5 or Nebula.
The beef with this type of post is that this exact question has been asked many many times in the past.
If you do not have time to look into every ICS rom out there, at the very least, search if someone else has asked this very question. You will find your answers in those threads, instead of posting a new thread. And I think that is what the rule "Search before posting" is asking you to do.
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+1 for you. Listen to this guy.
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<Snip> I swear I think some of you guys forget what the forums for! I thought it was meant for members to assist one another. Well any ways, I was basically asking for members opinion, if you don't like it keep it moving! <Snip>
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Wrong: This forum is for development and not to make a phone look cool with neat launchers, custom mods and tips/tricks. Only recently has this been around and to be honest, it is making this forum look more and more like AnyOtherForum.com. Nobody wants to learn anymore how to do this stuff (not you specifically). Most people don't even know what ROM stands for. Those are the people that are killing development on a daily basis.
Opinions are for elections, hair color and dinner plans. Sorry for the snark but my opinion is worth about $0 to most people as I am not the one flashing a ROM on someone's device. Now ask about how to get into the core functions of the OS and I will be all over that. But in the end, mine, yours or anyone else's opinion means squat when it comes to flashing ROMs.
Functionality is the key. What works and what doesn't. And those can most likely be found in the OP and probably the last 10 pages of any ROM thread. That is always what I suggest when these threads pop up. Read the OPs of about 4-6 ROMs, pick 1 or 2 top contenders, go to their last 10 pages for recent bugs and finally pick one and start reading. Shouldn't take that long to narrow it down.
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The beef with this type of post is that this exact question has been asked many many times in the past.
If you do not have time to look into every ICS rom out there, at the very least, search if someone else has asked this very question. You will find your answers in those threads, instead of posting a new thread. And I think that is what the rule "Search before posting" is asking you to do.
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Yes, I agree that I think that is what he meant when he typed out about Rule #1. No harm, no foal. Chances are though is that a search would have yielded another thread that was closed as well for the same reasons.
OP, you have been a member for 6 years now and know how this site was and how it is now. We are trying our best but you also have to realize that not all chip-sets are created equal. What works on one phone/tablet may not work on the exact same model. My wife and I had the same phone a few years ago with the same build date stamped inside and those two could not be any different from each other in terms of stability, chip functionality (mine could OC way higher than hers could) and other HW limitations. Software is software is software but if the hardware cannot handle what is being thrown at it, then it really doesn't matter what ROM is on there.
Sorry for the manifesto type post but there it is. Seems like you got some good suggestions though.
This thread is now closed.