I can't possibly think of installing every single program, one by one. it's a pure pain in the ass and I loved UC and probably won't go back to a non-UC rom.
So, which ones have it?
I will be cooking in UC for my next ROM, but I highly recommend you check out SASHIMI. It is extremely easy and more effective than UC. You don't need to make a setup.txt (or whatever it was - I honestly forget). You simply put cabs, reg edits, XMLs, files/folders to copy, etc in their specific folders and it runs perfectly.
Plus, no need to depend on us chefs and our daily preferences.
No fish google!
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I will be cooking in UC for my next ROM, but I highly recommend you check out SASHIMI. It is extremely easy and more effective than UC. You don't need to make a setup.txt (or whatever it was - I honestly forget). You simply put cabs, reg edits, XMLs, files/folders to copy, etc in their specific folders and it runs perfectly.
Plus, no need to depend on us chefs and our daily preferences.
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Yeah after installing my third version of 23004 in about a week I decided I have to read up on sashimi. Hopefully I'll get some time to tonight. I had to ask around a bit to figure out where to get it though. I'm usually a google-ninja, but there's a buttload of sushi sites on the web that google insists on making you wade through.
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Yeah after installing my third version of 23004 in about a week I decided I have to read up on sashimi. Hopefully I'll get some time to tonight. I had to ask around a bit to figure out where to get it though. I'm usually a google-ninja, but there's a buttload of sushi sites on the web that google insists on making you wade through.
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Here's the real SASHIMI link for anyone who needs it:
http://www.winmo-experts.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4
And please watch the videos. It will make the learning curve extremely simple to get this up and running.
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Here's the real SASHIMI link for anyone who needs it:
http://www.winmo-experts.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4
And please watch the videos. It will make the learning curve extremely simple to get this up and running.
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I installed last night but canceled out of actually setting it up, I definatly plan on watching the vids before I get too far into it.
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I have been using the Kitchen here for a couple months now...I'm feeling pretty comfortable with it...I've even pulled some OEMs from another kitchen into DCD's and installed them...which got me thinking....
Now I've been reading a bit about the OEMizer. It looks a little scary. It looks like it could do some things that the kitchen is doing...but I'm not sure.
I'd love to build in some of my cabs and email accounts using the OEMizer but Im' a bit afraid.
Can someone explain how the OEMizer and the kitchen fits together....
Thanks,
Matt
sudermatt said:
I have been using the Kitchen here for a couple months now...I'm feeling pretty comfortable with it...I've even pulled some OEMs from another kitchen into DCD's and installed them...which got me thinking....
Now I've been reading a bit about the OEMizer. It looks a little scary. It looks like it could do some things that the kitchen is doing...but I'm not sure.
I'd love to build in some of my cabs and email accounts using the OEMizer but Im' a bit afraid.
Can someone explain how the OEMizer and the kitchen fits together....
Thanks,
Matt
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the oemizer rocks, but i only used it for one package (timezone)
it simply creates a nice package for you to drop into OEM or SYS
i instead just use wincecab manager to dump the cab's contained files, then export the registry.
if the cab uses a setup.dll, i do a full registry export, install app, full registry export again, compare. this (usually) shows me what setup.dll did.
right...that sounds doable...if you/e a rocket scientist...I like using the kitchen....and want to add oems....it seemed lik i could create them with oemizer and drop the directory into your kitchen to include in the cook....
your method described above just seems a little too tough for me...i'm not seeing how to make that oem folder used by your kitchen
well, i think the manual cab extraction is really pretty easy, i am sure you could handle it, you're just not used to it.
but to answer your question, yes an oem created with oemizer should work just fine.
I like to use it just for the random crap that I have to enter each time I flash. Now I don't have to enter user info, exchange setup, and all sorts of other goodies. Wish I had found this sooner!
Rob,
I haven't actually done it (OEMizer). Is it as easy as I think...build your OEM folder then just drag it into the kitchen and select it whilst cooking?
Not always. It doesn't alway get the reg stuff setup correctly. You have to pay attention to that.
I have been using the OEMs from the newest Apache kitchen and they work fine.
blaze,
i didn't realize the Apache OEMs would work.
do you have a link?
This is what I'm saying....we need to SHARE these OEMs we know will work on our device. Sharing=Good.
but..if you want to HORD your OEMs....that's fine... ;-)
OH....do you think the Apache OEMizer would work for us? this seems like a silly question now...but I'll go with it.
95% of OEM packages work on other devices. You should always be wary of the OEM packages that have something to do with the dialer, camera, GPS or anything specific to your phone.
You can find links to many OEM packages in the FAQ section of my OEM package tutorial.
Before you ask, I have no intention of releasing a tutorial for OEMizer
I did a bunch of searching but didn't come up with a clear answer (probably due to just how much info is out there on cooking).
Why do people cook ROM's in kitchens? What is the advantage of it, vs taking a clean rom, and installing the .cab's for the various programs / options you want, using a program like Sashimi or even manually?
It seems like if it's cooked into the ROM, a program can't be removed or upgraded. Is there a storage size benefit or some other benefit? Thanks in advance.
Well some people like to REMOVE stuff that they don't use. DCD includes a lot of stuff by default that I personally remove when I use the kitchen. Likewise, he doesn't include some of the stuff I like to install that isn't (officially) in CAB form.
A good example of this is that I remove all Voice-related stuff and add the Entertainment pack to my Kitchen ROMs, as well as some generic stuff like TomTom7.
As far as auto-installing using Sashimi or Autorun/etc, I can't really answer anything related to those, but integrating into an OEM eliminates the need to install via CAB (it's basically installed when u flash).
I hope that helps some. If not, ask away.
One benefit I see is if you have some form of a tracking tool, if someone steals your phone and does a hard reset, if you have it cooked in the rom via kitchen, then it restarts back up and will be able to help you recover your phone.
For tools that don't update on a regular schedule, there is the benefit of not having to reload it from a cab. In my case I have it auto-configure my exchange settings, owner info, load a few games that I don't have a cab for, and to change a few of the programs that DCD provides that I don't use.
I can hard reset my phone in the field and within 30 seconds my data is already being synced back to my phone with only a few clicks.
BTC
BillThyCat said:
One benefit I see is if you have some form of a tracking tool, if someone steals your phone and does a hard reset, if you have it cooked in the rom via kitchen, then it restarts back up and will be able to help you recover your phone.
For tools that don't update on a regular schedule, there is the benefit of not having to reload it from a cab. In my case I have it auto-configure my exchange settings, owner info, load a few games that I don't have a cab for, and to change a few of the programs that DCD provides that I don't use.
I can hard reset my phone in the field and within 30 seconds my data is already being synced back to my phone with only a few clicks.
BTC
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The hard-reset idea was what I used to claim, but not anymore. I flash a new ROM on this phone like every 2 weeks. (addiction?) Having most of my apps cooked on after flashing is the biggest benefit for me now. Since I've got all my apps in OEM form (some already made, some I created on my own), I just simply use them in whatever kitchen. So now, no matter what ROM I flash to, it's still the "same" for me
i do it mainly for convenience, its a lot easier for me to configure all my email, owner info, reg tweaks, and other stuff on my PC before flashing than on the phone after flashing
Great question!
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Why do people cook ROM's in kitchens? What is the advantage of it, vs taking a clean rom, and installing the .cab's for the various programs / options you want.
It seems like if it's cooked into the ROM, a program can't be removed or upgraded. Is there a storage size benefit or some other benefit? Thanks in advance.
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I'm very new to this, but now that I've installed my first custom ROM I've been wondering the same thing. I find the responses you've received very interesting - for instance, how do you
configure all my email, owner info, reg tweaks, and other stuff on my PC before flashing than on the phone after flashing
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If I can do that, then it would seem to make sense to put up as stripped a ROM as possible and load all my normal programs on the storage card.
I used a tool called OEMIzer, it let me preset owner info, email server info, default theme, etc.
BTC
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I used a tool called OEMIzer, it let me preset owner info, email server info, default theme, etc.
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Thanks, BTC. By the way, I was at UT getting my MBA when Berkeley Breathed was starting up many of his characters in the Daily Texan . . .
I miss Bloom County..... None of BB's comics since have been as funny or as thought provoking.
My brothers "hacker" alias was Oliver Wendell Jones.
I was in HS at the time, so you got a few years on me
BTC
BillThyCat said:
I miss Bloom County..... None of BB's comics since have been as funny or as thought provoking.
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Agreed!
BillThyCat said:
I was in HS at the time, so you got a few years on me
BTC
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Amen to that. My wife tells me I am too old to be playing around with custom ROM's and assembling my own PC's, but I figure if I'm not learning every day I'm dying. (grin)
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If I can do that, then it would seem to make sense to put up as stripped a ROM as possible and load all my normal programs on the storage card.
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thats pretty much what i do, i dont cook any apps into the rom, just settings, then i have cabs for all my apps on my storage card, i dont install them to the card because of access speeds
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thats pretty much what i do, i dont cook any apps into the rom, just settings, then i have cabs for all my apps on my storage card, i dont install them to the card because of access speeds
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So do you put all your data files (Excel workbooks, Word docs, databases, etc.) on your card? With 8 to 16 GB cards, there's little worry about running out of storage now.
I've installed nearly all of my (non-MS) apps on the card currently; loading doesn't seem to be a problem except for Skyfire. Next ROM image I assemble I will minimize everything in ROM and use your "CAB on Card" idea.
Thanks for the comment. cv
For quite some time, I used the kitchen on my Apache & then some with my Mogul.
For the Apache, the biggest benefit was saving memory by getting rid of all the crap Sprint loads on the phone. For the Mogul, memory isn't as big an issue, anymore.
I quit using the kitchen because the results were too buggy with my Mogul. I need my phone to operate every single time I use it and the one in a hundred times my kitchen-ized phone wouldn't work right was one time too many.
One of the annoying things about the kitchen, imo, is that there are dozens of wonderful apps with no explanation as to what they do. I've inquired about them a few times & rarely ever gotten a clear answer. Most of them can be Googled, but many can't. It seems like a waste.
In the end, I'm using Sprint's latest official ROM with lots and lots of upgrades. I also have figured out how to delete most of the files that are installed by default using various file explorers, so I've cleared up even more memory. Now, my phone is rock solid... doesn't have a single glitch... works 100% of the time at 100% capability. I do not worry that the bluetooth will decide it's not going to work, don't worry that the answer button won't work when I receive a call, don't worry that it's going to freeze up for no reason...
The kitchen is fun, and with my Apache, was a lifesaver.
I just don't feel the bugs I get from the kitchen outweigh the bugs Sprint's 6800 rom gives me (I haven't actually found any, yet.) With the Apache, the equation worked the other way around.
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EDIT: As Michy has asked for graphics requests, he apparently already has something in mind for his 5.2 / 6.0. Yea! So be sure to post with any requests as to what you want the next ROM to look like.
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You have to hand it to Michy. 4.1 and 5.1 are both fast, smooth, and (almost completely) trouble-free ROMs with tons of useful programs. And for both SPLs!
To tell the truth, until I flashed 4.1, I had regretted HardSPLing my device. Most of the ROMs I tried up until then were troublesome and just as slow as my stock WM6.0.
So in a way, this post is thanks to Michy. Gran bel lavoro Michy!
In another way, it is a request for something new. I know I am not the only one on this forum that gets nervous if he hasn't flashed a new ROM this month... I'm feeling the itch! I need my fix!
Anyway, thought it might be interesting to see what kind of ROM people wanted. Give your vote and comments please.
hi,
please just add your graphic-style request, so i can have an idea for a 5.2/6.0.
bye
Michael,
Good to see you are considering a new rom. In truth your 5.1 seems flawless and it's hard to imagine how much better you can make it. Thanks for your great work.
One suggestion I would give to make your next ROM easier to understand is: if you are going to include lots of apps like you usually do, it might be a good idea to put them in folders in the start menu according to their usage.
A Multimedia folder could contain YouTube Player, TCPMP, MP3Trimmer, Camera, Audio Manager, and Album links.
VoipCall, Slick, Messenger, Fring, Flash SMS, Call Firewall and others could be grouped in a Communications folder.
And some things like FTouchFlo, GSen CFG, GSen, GSenToggle, IContactConfig, PDM, PocketScreen, PIM Backup, PsShutXP, QuickGPS, RegEditor, SIM Manager, SynchroTime etc, etc, could easily be put in the Tools folder you usually include.
By doing this, you allow the person using the ROM to have easier access to the programs that they install. Because people are more likely to frequently use the programs that they install, rather than ones that come pre-installed.
Another suggestion is about the applications you include with your ROMs. I think I understand your logic in including lots of apps: the space is there in the ROM, so you might as well use it as long as the apps don't degrade performance. That's strong logic, and I agree with it. My suggestion is to only include apps that have reached a developmental dead-end; i.e. apps that are stable, and are no longer currently being developed. For example TCPMP, VNCViewer, and DotFred's Task Manager aren't updated very frequently - they make perfect additions to your ROM. Other apps, like YouTube, Manila 2D/3D, S2U2, ThrottleLauncher etc, are still in active development and can/should be updated from time to time. It is possible to update and install over the apps in the ROM, but then you have just wasted that space in the ROM.
As far as graphics are concerned, I am of two minds.
1) I have always really liked the touch/kaiser grey-on-white-with-blue-highlights. Very professional.
2) However, recently I have flashed my Hermes with PDACorner's Pro V.25 and I really appreciate the usefulness of the colors he uses in his status bar. Colors like that would really be useful against the flat black bars of the DiamondVGA.tsk you always include... They take a little getting used to, but make it really easy to know what is going on with your phone with simply a glance.
And this is a light and robust little Comm Manager that looks great with the skin in post eight.
And as always, thanks for your consideration. I wish I had the time, patience and talent to build such ROMs.
Not much more to add from my side, thanks larsuck!
- Make it as fast as possible without losing 5.1 stability
- Ahm...make both startup gifs like the ones from AP4.0, just with your name (I know, plagiate, but it looks great)
- Real-VGA, all programs/thumbnails should work and look according to chosen dpi, especially with 128dpi (seems to be the best choice)
- Remove time&date permanently from taskbar, so that all buttons can be seen and clicked without problems
- In short: please make it look like the original x7510 screen
Program wishes: maybe some program for real contacts import/export with edit-function on PC, I'm currently using xmlcontactsbackup but perhaps there are better choices.
Many thanks
just to renew my ROMs, i'm going to make a 5.1 Last Build Edition, with the last build i found on xda (20921). If this build will work well.......you'll have a new rom to falsh
There we go again weare just a bunch of rom addicts,lol, so far I been playing wit 5.1 is nice and respond qick only problems found so far is the bluetooth stack, (if the new build has something as AP4 Ill be in heaven) and Slic if I try to use it will give a BSD with a message saying fatal system exception or something, that was funny because it was the first time I have seen a BSD in WM, no a biggie for my I just do not use the app .
The programs included are useful but I rather get rid of duplicates e.g if you think icontact is better than stock contact manager get rid of the stock one( Im not complaining on that ,you have done a good job there so far).
the graphics just keep them consistent across the rom e.g not a black today a green communications and a white phone screen.
And if touchflow 3D was included working reliably that would be a plus.
Larsuck mention below to add mature apps only to the rom, I do not agree, why, because we will flash to newer roms during the development of the app so if a rom has the latest opera and a newer one appear we will have a newer rom sooner with the newer opera or whatever anyway, and because when a app reach its end of development time usually means that there are newer apps better and so its no point to keep developing the oldest ones ( not always the case) so as long the apps in the rom are solid stable just include what you think is useful.
Great job Michi and many thanks
I ask for two things...but only one is possible me thinks.
If you could get hootgaming working on your next rom, now that would be something. Something tells me it won't be possible as getting hold of the client .cab for winmob seems rather difficult.
Back in reality...I tend to use Claunch on my today screen as it works well but the only buttons that are any good tend to be based on the Iphone. Any app like this with an original button interface would be fantastic.
Keep up the good work.
After trying several ROMS I decided to learn a little about UC. I have slowly been tweaking SDconfig to load my favorite cabs and a few registry changes. This is working well but I recently started thinking about overwriting cabs that come preloaded in the ROM.
IE: Some roms have opera and others do not. I load the latest opera during UC whether it is needed or not. I know the cooks put a lot of thought into their roms so I am wondering if this might have an adverse affect on those roms that come preloaded with the cabs I am overwriting.
You've just discovered the reason why running UC indiscriminately isn't always a great idea. I myself prefer sashimi, because you can run it after you've taken the time to poke around a while; it's also easy to change things up on the fly.
Sashimi is a great way to go. You have some automatic and some manual options. Stuff that comes in ROMs put in the manual area, and the rest of your stuff, stick in manual.
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After trying several ROMS I decided to learn a little about UC. I have slowly been tweaking SDconfig to load my favorite cabs and a few registry changes. This is working well but I recently started thinking about overwriting cabs that come preloaded in the ROM.
IE: Some roms have opera and others do not. I load the latest opera during UC whether it is needed or not. I know the cooks put a lot of thought into their roms so I am wondering if this might have an adverse affect on those roms that come preloaded with the cabs I am overwriting.
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One of the adverse affects can be if there is a double installation of a program. Usually it won't happen, all important files and reg settings are usually overwritten. The one that can happen for sure and it is really not a big deal is that you lose some storage space. One of the reasons I leave out so many core programs from my ROM. There are different versions that people like and it is simple enough to install the one you like.
I love UC now that I use it all the time. Before I started cooking I never used and I can't belive I waited so long to try it.
What's the advantage of UC over spb backup?
XDA_UC
its been done by NOONSKI and i must say its not far behind in the competition. What i liked most was the extent of customisation i could do with his project and his help.
Though the script's main aim is to start the customisation at 2nd boot once autorun or runcc are complete but i have completely removed autorun runcc or even checkautorun from my rom.
and have made XDA_UC to install all my rom customisation files as well as all the cabs or registries and many other stuff that the user has in the XDA_UC folder in the storage card.
so everything gets covered on 1st boot and on 2nd boot your phone is ready for full use.
People have been liking sashimi as well but i never got time to really understand the whole concept. will look out soon.
as for now XDA_UC is far more simple and fast. and improving.
I started using uc because I could copy folders with shortcuts directly to my programs directory. That way I don't have to reinstall the programs. It saves time and I can arrange the shortcuts exactly where I want.
I am currently setting up UC to run manually after I flash. I will look into XDA_UC. I notice Special Pro Classic runs it and it runs every cab on my card.
Here is a ROM that I'm working on. Far from finished, but I wanted to get some input on it. Still working on better folders, once I figure out how to do it, and some registry changes. I hope to have this as a final version soon. I can't see any of the functionality change if there is a new release. But, feedback is what I'm looking for. I still have a lot to learn. Thank you.
Also, how do you list the software installed? I plan on trying to keep everything up to date as much as possible.
Download link:
Beta 2: http://rapidshare.com/files/264836743/ruu_signed.nbh
i guess I need to go back to the previous connection settings. The new ones seem kind of flaky. oh well. I created the rom before checking my work, now I know to check before rushing.
Hi splxtreme,
I created a free Collector account on www.rapidshare.com ... that's where folks are pulling my kitchen files from.
Doesn't appear to impose limits other than wait time for downloaders.
HTH,
Thanks for the info. I'll try that out.
im hoping for someone who can port the latest OSes into the fuze, since the awesome Da_G kitchens are coming to an end.
Try to get something that is lightweight, barebones with OS and the good HTC packages like album and wifi sharing. apart from that keep it very lean so that people can choose what they need and go from there.
OK, added some things and changed some. Hopefully this is already stable enough for people to use. I'm not done with it yet. So, enjoy.
i wonder if its possible to do a rom as i describe below.
- ROM should have only barebones OS simply tuned for the fuze.
- All other applications and settings should be packaged to individual cabs.
- Provide a list of all cabs with dependencies if any.
- Provide UC script to install all cabs in right order by default.
This way, we start off with a barebones rom and people who dont wish to tinker, can just use the given UC script to do all their packages, but if you want, you can remove some UC entries in case you dont want some packages.
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i wonder if its possible to do a rom as i describe below.
- ROM should have only barebones OS simply tuned for the fuze.
- All other applications and settings should be packaged to individual cabs.
- Provide a list of all cabs with dependencies if any.
- Provide UC script to install all cabs in right order by default.
This way, we start off with a barebones rom and people who dont wish to tinker, can just use the given UC script to do all their packages, but if you want, you can remove some UC entries in case you dont want some packages.
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Very possible too do. Are there certain apps that you are looking for? Which do you not want to see?
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Very possible too do. Are there certain apps that you are looking for? Which do you not want to see?
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Fantastic, that would be something someone like me would be looking forward to
Some of the things i use are
HTC wifi sharing
Facebook
Palringo
Google maps
Bing search
windows live
lumos
skype
pocketwit
gpstest
office mobile
right now im using energyrom warhawk which is fantastic. I like the energyrom series since they are pretty and yet stable and fast. however they do have some fluff (not criticizing, NRG has made a great rom) that i dont use. im pretty sure if that was cleaned out then it would be a wee bit faster for me. but i dont have to time to go thru with Da_G's clean rom, and try to bring it to energy roms level, so if i could just get all settings and software in a neat cab list, i can certainly take a few minutes to prune that and get my ideal set working.
fluffs - what am i talking about?
things like beejiveIM - its beta and crashes all the time, non stock games, widgets, wifi monster are some of the things i could do without.
oooh and for name, how about "Touch of Blue"