I recently bought a TyTNfor almost $900 including a 2 GB expansion card. Despite dozens of hours of trying to get it to work correctly, I find th TyTN almost intolerably buggy.
Specifically:
1) the phone loses connections frequently -- much worse than the Cingular 8125 or my old Treo 650.
2) numerous application programs either crash the device or do not run properly -- specifically, the Audible.com player, the the automated download feature or of Audible Air, most of the SPB utility applications, SBSH Weather (VGA Icons), SBSH Ilauncher and others.
3) the battery life absolutely sucks. I get less than eight hours of operation -- with very few telephone calls. I do have Microsoft push e-mail turned on. However, this ought to work -- for God's sake, or what's the point?
4) the screen/stylus requires re-alignment at least twice a daily..
Is there anyone out there who can help me and walk me through the installation of a new ROM, or some kind of update that makes this device work in a tolerable manner?
I would be very happy to pay you for your consulting time. Otherwise, I want to try to get HTC to take this buggy phone back for a full refund and I will go back to using my old Treo 650.
Many thanks for your attention and future help.
ROM version 1.18.255.3
ROM date 07/22/06
Radio Version 1.03.03.10
Once I hear that you have alignment problems, then, from what I hear you have bad luck since you have one of the firt TyTns out there. I heard that HTC replaces these units. It hapens to be a common problem on the early devices.
I have my MDA Vario II (a variation of a Hermes) and till now 4 days long extremely happy with everything.
natgoldhaber said:
I recently bought a TyTNfor almost $900 including a 2 GB expansion card. Despite dozens of hours of trying to get it to work correctly, I find th TyTN almost intolerably buggy.
Specifically:
1) the phone loses connections frequently -- much worse than the Cingular 8125 or my old Treo 650.
2) numerous application programs either crash the device or do not run properly -- specifically, the Audible.com player, the the automated download feature or of Audible Air, most of the SPB utility applications, SBSH Weather (VGA Icons), SBSH Ilauncher and others.
3) the battery life absolutely sucks. I get less than eight hours of operation -- with very few telephone calls. I do have Microsoft push e-mail turned on. However, this ought to work -- for God's sake, or what's the point?
4) the screen/stylus requires re-alignment at least twice a daily..
Is there anyone out there who can help me and walk me through the installation of a new ROM, or some kind of update that makes this device work in a tolerable manner?
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Well, I am sorry you are having these problems. I don't think most of them are a Tytn problems in general.
1) First I have heard of this. I have had the Tytn for a month now and don't have that problem. I move in and out of a 3g area and whether on GSM or UMTS, call quality has been great (better than my Wizzard in fact). Maybe your problem is a SIM issue since this phone is not supported by your carrier where you others might be? I went and got a new SIM when I got mine so I don't know if that could be an issue or not.
2) I don't use many apps. I do use SBSH Weather v1.3.3 (regular icons) and it works well. No issues at all, updates just fine etc. I thought the VGA icons were for devices with a VGA screen (Universal for example). To the best of my knowledge the Wizzard, Tytn etc are not VGA devices so I don't think it helps to use the VGA icons, and who knows, maybe it could cause an issue on a non-VGA device. I have heard that SPB has issues. Slingplayer also works well for me, streaming video runs great.
3) I get ~3-4 days out of the battery if just used for calls, weather updates, and light browsing. Heavy UMTS browsing or streaming cuts that down significantly to 24-36 hours. I don't use push mail so don't know there, but there might be a config setting that is causing your device to get polled too frequently. I do know that one time I went into the phone menu and Band page to set Band to UMTS only. I forgot I did that, left a UMTS area and the phone went into constant network search mode instead of switching to GSM. That drained my battery in something less than 8 hrs.
4) I also don't have this problem. There are many reports of this problem though and the only fix I am aware of is a replacement.
Bottom line is I suspect you have a bad phone (reception and alignment issues) as well as setup issues or program conflicts causing your apps problems.
try to upgrade to the lastest rom!
natgoldhaber said:
I would be very happy to pay you for your consulting time. Otherwise, I want to try to get HTC to take this buggy phone back for a full refund and I will go back to using my old Treo 650.
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I would love to take your money, but I think you should take it back and get something else. Maybe even a Treo. The reason I say this is because the TyTn is just not ready for Prime Time unless you are a power user or someone who doesn't feel the need to complain because it doesn't work properly. Power user go around these issues and figure out the problems.
This is no way an insult to you, it's just that if you can't deal with the problems, and you need to rely on a phone/pda, and email is very important to you maybe even go as low as to get a blackberry. In the meantime I personally would keep the TyTn and explore it and fully understand how it works. When you are ready to dive in and start using it as a "power user" then you will no longer need to worry about it's faults.
This is coming from 2 years of experience with the O2 Xda IIs. Which was the buggiest pocketpc phone that ever came out and today is one of the top, mainly due to the fact that once the ROM is hacked the development efforts go up considerably and you see increased productivity and usability.
But if you need the money, just get a refund.
Sorry about my blunt response, but I had a friend who I converted from a palm to a Blue Angel. He didn't like it so I got him into a wizard. He curse at it for a while, then he started loving it after a few weeks of using it. Now he would never go back to a Palm or a Treo or anything else. I got my TyTn only last week and have cursed it to hell and back several thousand times. But this is just the way it goes when you're one of the early adopters. Especially when the phone is not commercially available to the US and Canada.
Time heals all.
Fully agree with you axiom, the most sincere response you could have given him.
I also come from the BlueAngel and was one of the early adopters, now running helmi's 1.32 rom, that's why I truely understand what you mean
Thanks pof for backing me up. I am also still using my BlueAngel with with the 1.32 rom but primarily in my car for navigation. This way I don't have to spend another few hundred dollars on a Nav system. And it really bothers me when tomtom loads faster on my BlueAngel then it does on my TyTn, but then I am hopeful that the TyTn will prevail when the time is write and all our heads are in the right place.
As always, everyone is welcome to post their problems, concerns, and findings and I am always pushing people to hang in there because "I know" there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Thanks for all the thoughtful replys - but....
Perhaps this is a device that is a little too early for me. But I will not return it. I love the speed of the Cingular 3G network. And I am blown away by how well Exchange/Outlook push works. I would never go back to a Treo or to a Blackberry.
I was rather hoping someone may have an idea about an improved ROM. I did have a direct conversation with HTCEurope's tech support office. They said they were well aware of the problems with applications, especially with the Audible player. They wistfully referred to the folks in Taiwan creating a new ROM - any month now.
I hoped that one of you might feel that a beta Cingular or other ROM might fix some or all of my problems. And I hope that someone could talk me through the installation. I hope that is true.
Many thanks.
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I hoped that one of you might feel that a beta Cingular or other ROM might fix some or all of my problems. And I hope that someone could talk me through the installation. I hope that is true.
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Oh please don't install the cingular beta ROM. Infact, as much I enjoyed using it for testing purposes, the last thing you want to do is start pushing ROMs. I am also waiting for a newer ROM, I was one of the first along with pof and others who installed the cingular roms and found some harsh truths, and some benefits. However, I went back to the dopod rom, with a radio update from the cingular rom. And this was a journey in possibly bricking my unit because going back from the cingular to one of the other roms is a chance and you need your original rom to go back.
If you must pursue upgrading your ROM, please keep a few things in mind:
1) And very important: If you don't know what you're doing, you could brick your unit.
2) A rom upgrade is only as good as the comments it has received from the users on this forum.
3) Most users who use the newest roms are, in most cases, advanced and understand that there will be problems.
4) Once you have started to upgrade your rom, you will be doing it all the time and be ready to reinstall your apps and settings.
If this is all ok to you and you have a back up phone, that you can use while you play with your TyTn, then go ahead and try the Dopod, Imate or TyTn rom. Look through the wiki and you will find all the information you need.
READ EVERYTHING FIRST, THEN START YOUR JOURNEY. The worst thing is having someone tell you "Do a search", or "RTFM", or "Read the wiki". People will respect you more and will be willing to help you more if your questions legit and the wiki can't help you out.
To start you off, I would suggest the Dopod ROM, with radio 1.16. This should take you about 1 hour to update. Then if you're not satisfied with this, then go to the TyTn or the IMate.
I hope this helps, and I have never seen anyone ask for money on here to help our fellow users and if they have, then shame on them. We are all here to learn and teach, this is what makes us a community of excellence.
I hope this helps you and many others on this board. Until the next rom, or hopefully the successful hack of the TyTn rom... Long live xda-developers!
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axiom: I took part of your last comment and updated the upgrading FAQs with it
As far as the screen alignment issue goes i am shortly sending my TyTN to HTC (in the UK) to get fixed under warranty (ie free)....the guy on the helpline was REALLY helpfull in sorting it out...they estimate a 5 day turnaround for it which is just SWEEEEET......shall be back to my P900 for a few days URGH!
So afaik the screen alignment can be sorted with an under warranty repair
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axiom: I took part of your last comment and updated the upgrading FAQs with it
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Thanks pof, I am very honored to me contributing to the wiki. Hehe.
There is one spelling mistake, can you change:
help you more if your questions legit and the wiki can't help you out.
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help you more if your questions are legit and the wiki can't help you out.
Thanks.
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There is one spelling mistake, can you change:
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I changed it, but remember that you can edit the wiki too... it's very easy, and if you need help, just ask
Dear Prof, Asukal and especially Axiom:
I want to thank you for your responses. I took the plunge last night and upgraded the phone radio ROM to the Cingular 1.16 version using the instructions and files from Asukal.
There were moments of sheer terror. The ROM upload to the phone took hours. In fact, I went to sleep and let it continue through the night. But when I woke up, there was the predicted error message on the TyTN. Just as instructed, after a reset, everything worked perfectly. I will write this up more thoroughly in a day or two after I have a chance to really test the radio.
But thanks for giving me the courage to try the upgrade. I am also including a snippet from a message I received from HTC Support about the next ROM:
"There are no ROM updates available for the TyTN at present, although are actively working one to address various issue customers are experiencing.
We are expecting this to coincide with the Windows Mobile 5 AKU3 update."
Nat
please help/ new to this
I have a 02 xda exec that has several programs that states that " either it is not signed in with a trusted cetificate, or one of it's commponent can not be found, you might have to reinstall or restore this file." My desktop had the backup files for the 02 exec but it crashed. im using my laptop to try to find out how to restore my files. I tried the update but that failed too. Please help.
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I have a 02 xda exec that has several programs that states that " either it is not signed in with a trusted cetificate, or one of it's commponent can not be found, you might have to reinstall or restore this file." My desktop had the backup files for the 02 exec but it crashed. im using my laptop to try to find out how to restore my files. I tried the update but that failed too. Please help.
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This is the TyTn forum. You want to post this in the Universal forum.
natgoldhaber said:
Dear Prof, Asukal and especially Axiom:
I want to thank you for your responses. I took the plunge last night and upgraded the phone radio ROM to the Cingular 1.16 version using the instructions and files from Asukal.
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Congratulations and you are very welcome. Btw, which base rom did you stay with? I have noticed better reception with the 1.16 radio, how are you finding it?
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Congratulations and you are very welcome. Btw, which base rom did you stay with? I have noticed better reception with the 1.16 radio, how are you finding it?
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ROM is version 1.18.255.3
Date:7/22/06
Radio: 1.16.00.00 (hurray)
Protocol: 32.53.7018H
ExROM: 1.18.255.106
I will give a full report on the radio tomorrow - not enough experience with it yet - and some very minor anomalies after the upgrade.
If you're experiencing shortened battery life, try changing the push email settings (active sync for the mail server) -- if you set it to other than "as they arrive" to an hour or so, for off-peak, it will really reduce the battery drain. Same with the settings for an POP3 email mailboxes -- change the polling interval to a longer duration. I've found that to be one of the biggest battery drains on my TyTN.
I've had a TyTN for more than 2 months and absolutely love it. Sold my k-jam (wizard) because I want the 3G if Cingular USA ever gets it working in my area. I've found the TyTN faster even on the EDGE network locally and better overall than my k-jam -- seems like the issues with the wizard have been largely addressed. Mind you I've never had the screen alignment problem so I can sympathize with those who do. I did switch my HTC ROM to the Imate ROM and I feel like the stability is better.
Slightly better
natgoldhaber said:
ROM is version 1.18.255.3
Date:7/22/06
Radio: 1.16.00.00 (hurray)
Protocol: 32.53.7018H
ExROM: 1.18.255.106
I will give a full report on the radio tomorrow - not enough experience with it yet - and some very minor anomalies after the upgrade.
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I think the Cingular 1.16 Radio ROM is just a bit better than the TyTN ROM that was native to my device. It seems very clear and it MAY hold the signal a bit better. My house is in a marginal area, switching constantly between GPRS and UMTS. That may make things difficult. My reception at home is clearer but about the same as my old Treo 650 in terms of maintaining a connection. The 8125 I had on trial from Cingular for a few weeks was better - but of course it had no UMTS.
Might be interesting for someone to do a hack which grabs GPRS during phone conversations in marginal areas and prevents going to UMTS during the call. ?????
I downloaded the fix4cat TyTN tweaker and set audio to "excellent." Not sure what that does, but excellent sounds good. I also enabled HSPDA, but that seems to do nothing.
Anyway I am happy.
The audible player still does not work worth beans (boohoo - their tech support is NO HELP AT ALL) and I had a really terrible experience with Chapura Pocket Mirror which I used successfully on the Treo for years. I need to synchronize public folders on my Exchange server. Any ideas? Chapura is brain dead, temporarily broke my device and made me spend hours recovering my programs and settings.
Finally - anyone ever able to get into a Cisco firewall and look at files on the company server with the VPN software in WM5??? I have tried using PPTP – no luck.
And really finally, thanks to everyone who helped. (Battery life better with push email off and TyTN magically stopped alignment drift completely and I am no longer a ROM virgin).
Nat
I've been using USB Modem with my Sprint Touch Pro for the last week and I'm having a major problem with it.
When uploading images via FTP, after one or two jpg files are uploaded, the upstream speed diminishes to almost nothing. It does this every time without fail.
The workaround is just disconnecting and reconnecting, but that's a pain.
Anyone else having this problem? It seems like it's some sort of switch being tripped in the phone or by Sprint when it sees that a large amount of data is being uploaded...just a guess though.
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I've been using USB Modem with my Sprint Touch Pro for the last week and I'm having a major problem with it.
When uploading images via FTP, after one or two jpg files are uploaded, the upstream speed diminishes to almost nothing. It does this every time without fail.
The workaround is just disconnecting and reconnecting, but that's a pain.
Anyone else having this problem? It seems like it's some sort of switch being tripped in the phone or by Sprint when it sees that a large amount of data is being uploaded...just a guess though.
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Hi,
Strange problem, I don't know if this will solve your problem.
But you should definately try a programm called "wmrouter" (google...)
This will turn your TP in a wireless router, which is really easy to use.
greetings,
Wout
have you tried the registry hacks for tethering? there's a cab if you don't want to do it yourself, but perhaps it'll fix your problem. You can do a search on here or go here for other touch pro essentials as well: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=42730
The edits are under "internet" on there. goodluck.
wout said:
Hi,
Strange problem, I don't know if this will solve your problem.
But you should definately try a programm called "wmrouter" (google...)
This will turn your TP in a wireless router, which is really easy to use.
greetings,
Wout
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he's right. that app is great and also lets you connect your cpu wirelessly. only problem is that it drains your phone faster cause it uses wifi. but you won't have disconnections... you could try the registry hacks thread on that link i gave you first and if that doesn't work you should pay for wifi router or pdanet.
hey if you resolve this issue please update us on how u did it.. thanks
Wow, thanks for the help guys. Problem solved.
First off, USB Modem simply doesn't work right on the Touch Pro, so I'm uninstalling it. With the pre-installed Internet Sharing software, there's no need for USB Modem anyway and it cuts out the old step of having to dial #777 to connect.
Thanks for the suggestion Unflushablelog. I downloaded and installed the Internet Sharing tethering hack cab file, fired up Internet sharing and blam, full Rev A speed and no diminished upload speed and best of all, no #777 dial up. Awesome. Better solution than I could have hoped for.
As for WMWifiRouter, I'm sure that would work too but I prefer the USB tether.
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he's right. that app is great and also lets you connect your cpu wirelessly. only problem is that it drains your phone faster cause it uses wifi. but you won't have disconnections... you could try the registry hacks thread on that link i gave you first and if that doesn't work you should pay for wifi router or pdanet.
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I just bought a touch pro and im waiting for sprint to ship it, i got the everything plus plan will sprint slap me with a huge bill for tethering?
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I just bought a touch pro and im waiting for sprint to ship it, i got the everything plus plan will sprint slap me with a huge bill for tethering?
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i think only the phone as a modem add on to the plan covers tethering... but that's why people use that registry fix... to make sure it uses the sprint line (which is what simply everything uses - regular unlimited data). we should be getting billed for it, but we don't. just try not to spend a lot of time tethering and you'll be fine (basically you don't want to raise any flags by having abnormal data charges on your account cause then sprint might look into it)... people have been doing this for years and that's always their recommendation.. i've never heard anyone say don't do it. it's something that sprint tries to capitalize on by selling an unnecessary extra when it should be free, whether you have the simply everything plan or just the regular power vision with internet
Unflushable could you provide some more info about this reg fix please?
The registry fix is here: http://pocketpc-live.com/top-stories/the-remote-party-has-ended-this-connection.html
Regards,
Carty..
Carty said:
The registry fix is here: http://pocketpc-live.com/top-stories/the-remote-party-has-ended-this-connection.html
Regards,
Carty..
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Thank you!
Hey all... just picked up the Touch Pro the other day and was a little disheartened to see that the tethering functions can be a little troublesome.
In the past, I've used USBModem on a Treo 700p and it worked beautifully via BlueTooth with my Nokia N800. I typically don't use the devices with a laptop/desktop, as it is most often something I'll make use of when I'm out... otherwise, the standard PDANet solutions would be fine.
Soooo... questions are: have their been any solutions figured out by others who may be using a Nokia N800/N810 to tether to, or is the only current option to use the WMWifiRouter software? Even using the registry changes mentioned in other threads, I have had no luck having the Nokia find the Touch Pro - well... it does, but it sees it as being a GSM device, which I haven't figured out either. If the WMWiFiRouter is the only real option, is it known if that software takes any steps to "mask usage" or will I be dealing with Sprint wanting me to get the "phone as modem" package - additionally, if that would be a problem, could the registry modifications help with that?
Any info provided is greatly appreciated. It's the only thing that keeps it from mopping the floor with my previous machine!
//edit: I failed to mention that I am with Sprint, and the USBModem site clearly states that it does not work via BlueTooth with the Sprint service - I don't know if I've done the registry edit and tried USBModem (I don't believe so, but I've tried a fair number of combos and off the wall ideas so far, so I dunno!)
As far as I can tell, the WMWifiRouter does not let Sprint know that you are tethering since in the technical sense of the word, you are not. Pulling the 3G signal down and broadcasting it as wifi is not tethering. Just try not to use gigabytes of bandwidth every month and you should be fine.
Also, WMWifiRouter is the only solution I've found for my Touch Pro (also on Sprint) that actually works. My tethering hacks always failed after 30 seconds or so, and there seemed to be no other solutions out there besides this piece of software.
You make a good point in that it's not tethering in the sense of the word. I suppose I could also rephrase the question to ask if they can spot the activity and, if so, how easily, but it may be beating a dead horse. I did find it to be a reasonable solution outside of it being a bit of a battery drain. I don't use such functions very often at all, and as such have never brought attention to any minor tethering I've done in the past. Hopefully it will stay that way and I won't see a whack of charges on my bill. Cheers!
Proteus93 said:
Hey all... just picked up the Touch Pro the other day and was a little disheartened to see that the tethering functions can be a little troublesome.
In the past, I've used USBModem on a Treo 700p and it worked beautifully via BlueTooth with my Nokia N800. I typically don't use the devices with a laptop/desktop, as it is most often something I'll make use of when I'm out... otherwise, the standard PDANet solutions would be fine.
Soooo... questions are: have their been any solutions figured out by others who may be using a Nokia N800/N810 to tether to, or is the only current option to use the WMWifiRouter software? Even using the registry changes mentioned in other threads, I have had no luck having the Nokia find the Touch Pro - well... it does, but it sees it as being a GSM device, which I haven't figured out either. If the WMWiFiRouter is the only real option, is it known if that software takes any steps to "mask usage" or will I be dealing with Sprint wanting me to get the "phone as modem" package - additionally, if that would be a problem, could the registry modifications help with that?
Any info provided is greatly appreciated. It's the only thing that keeps it from mopping the floor with my previous machine!
//edit: I failed to mention that I am with Sprint, and the USBModem site clearly states that it does not work via BlueTooth with the Sprint service - I don't know if I've done the registry edit and tried USBModem (I don't believe so, but I've tried a fair number of combos and off the wall ideas so far, so I dunno!)
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How often are you "Tethering" anyway? I honestly don't have any problems using my phone as a modem with the reg edits to modify the connection from "ForceConnection" to "Sprint PCS" and it works great.
I'm not a dedicated "Tetherer" and use it occasionally but have never seen any problems using the Internet Sharing app and the reg edit.
I use it very rarely (at least I think I do)... maybe once or twice every couple of weeks, and I don't use it to download things from the web and whatnot. Typically, I'll access a few sites and that's about it - very limited.
The only problem I ran into with the reg edits was that my Nokia N800 wasn't picking it up via Bluetooth. Using this method, I can just connect to the wireless broadcast.
Hmm, well I usually use the USB cord with mine but I did us the BT DUN on to tether using a MAC and it worked just fine.
Check your IM
i invested in PDAnet back when i got my Moto q and have never been happier. I get great speeds. download at 300kb/s at times. Their newest version includes options for WiFi setup as well. Definately worth the money IMO.
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i invested in PDAnet back when i got my Moto q and have never been happier. I get great speeds. download at 300kb/s at times. Their newest version includes options for WiFi setup as well. Definately worth the money IMO.
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Would you be willing to do a test with PDANet and the ICS program on our phones?
I'd like to see a comparison of DL speeds fron the same location of PDANet vs. ICS. I have the ICS cab if you are not running it right now if you like.
PDANet would work fine if I were to tether to a desktop or laptop. Problem is, I am almost never in a situation where I need such a thing. If I use it, it's via bluetooth with my Nokia N800 (since it does not support USB hosting of such devices as 'USB modems'). Bluetooth connectivity with both PDANet and USBModem is nil, with USBModem saying that it won't work with Sprint on their page.
I have found that the latest version of WMWiFiRouter (version 1.25 as of writing) works beautifully and I get reasonably speeds with it... since it's an ad-hoc wifi access point, the Nokia likes it. Problem seems to be solved and very reasonable.
So I was stupid and left my Sprint Hero phone in my shorts and my wife washed them, so goodbye phone. I luckily have two PPC 6800 phones that I can use in the mean time. Im definitely going to miss having an android 2.3 phone though. Any recommendations for making this phone not suck as much over the next month while I wait to see what new phone im going to get? I am not 100% what custom rom is on it now, its from June of 2008 though. Could be 6.5, but its been forever since Ive been in the windows mobile arena. My only needs are exchange support (sync email, contacts, calendar) and basic phone use. I dont even use a bluetooth. Would be useful to be able to use it as a hotspot for my android tablet, but not 100% needed as this is only temporary.
Suggestions? Thanks!
http://www.ppckitchen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1734
you can ask their for details on what bootloader and radio your phone should be at.
That is the only place I can find current ROMs for the titan.
If you find this useful, you can hit thanks.
I just installed Ryan Moguls 6.5 light rom, but its from last year. Seems the link you posted to a rom is still actively being used. Think that might be a better choice?
I do.
And Tink will help if you have problems. I have it on three phones now.