HI FRIENDS
WM 6.5 BUILD 21612 (21 NOV 2009)
Startup memory:21 m.b. without camera loader/18 m.b consistently after many hours
Free storage:41 m.b. approx
Added New Group Folders icons like system,applications,system etc
Application for overclocking
rest same as the previous build
and it's quite stable.
For numerical battery download cab file in recommended downloads post
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ROM UPDATING INVOLVES A LOT OF RISK. READ THIS THREAD BEFORE UPDATING
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=472169
A big thanks to each and every member of this GENE forum for being helpful in converting me from a NOOB to a CHEF[although noob]
CLICK HERE FOR the ROMS
CLICK HERE FOR the LITE versions
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CLICK HERE FOR NEW GENE_23064
CLICK HERE FOR OLD GENE_23064
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CLICK HERE FOR NEW GENE_23060
CLICK HERE FOR OLD GENE_23060
CLICK HERE FOR KITCHEN FILES_23060
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CLICK HERE FOR NEW GENE_23052
CLICK HERE FOR OLD GENE_23052
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CLICK HERE FOR NEW GENE_23409
CLICK HERE FOR OLD GENE_23409
CLICK HERE FOR KITCHEN_23409
well in the kitchen i forgot to make changes in the xip for old gene.
just copy the msxipkernel from new gene folder and paste it in old gene folder.
path: SYS>ROM>
PACKAGES INCLUDED IN THE ROM
Recommended downloads
HERE ARE THE WALLPAPERS I USED
1.QUICKMENU
2.CAMERA ON/OFF
3.New Contacts application from 23414
4.For numerical battery meter(all credits goto kane:http://www.techparaiso.com/kane-battery-taskbars/)
Looking Good Keep it up!
krazy_about_technology said:
Looking Good Keep it up!
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Thanx Buddy
Great.........
Hi ams1576,
good work man keep it up
one stupid ?
can u please tell me which kitchen do you use for this build.
thanks in advanced
crazy4tricks said:
Hi ams1576,
good work man keep it up
one ?
can u please tell me which kitchen do you use for this build.
thanks in advanced
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i used Sumit's 23016 kitchen
and got the sys and xip from jojobee's post at ppcgeeks.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=1140052&postcount=7601
Can u tell what that interface is called?
Thanks
Thank for your help buddy ,
lamborg said:
Can u tell what that interface is called?
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the titanium theme is Ibrythill_WM7_Titanium_Project
And the icons are ireflect icons
u can get all these form devs and hacking
ams1576 said:
HI FRIENDS
This is the preview of my FIRST PUBLIC ROM. The work on ROM is almost completed.
Here Are Some Previews.
I have Edited some graphics in the Rom to My liking.
Hoping For feedbacks for the Preview.Will upload within a Day or Two.
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the graphics editing that you have done looks great...
htc3400 said:
the graphics editing that you have done looks great...
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Thanx man
hey nice luking rom
but wat abt free ram ??
give some details dude
siddhesh1609 said:
hey nice luking rom
but wat abt free ram ??
give some details dude
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for the numbers it's 21.7 mb at startup
With Camera loader
please tell what all application are there is office mobile there
any bugs there
thanks nice looking rom
rakesh61 said:
please tell what all application are there is office mobile there
any bugs there
thanks nice looking rom
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That's the bug with the new ui builds.Office is not showing up.
No other bugs yet.
Will enter more details 2morrow
Dude you must be missing the office packages, coz i tried this build, office is workiing fine. some chefs like joojoobee666 @ ppcgeeks remove them and post them in a seperate file "removed items from <build no>". Check for that. And there is nothing changed in office so you can take office folders from one of the previous builds.
krazy_about_technology said:
Dude you must be missing the office packages, coz i tried this build, office is workiing fine. some chefs like joojoobee666 @ ppcgeeks remove them and post them in a seperate file "removed items from <build no>". Check for that. And there is nothing changed in office so you can take office folders from one of the previous builds.
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ya i put the office folders in the sys but it doesnt show up.
if u have a working package can u upload?
looking gud,but free RAM is too low.....
but dats nt the issue,the lock screen is windows default only,no classic dat makes device slower.
Related
known issue
1. free ram memory decreases after some time
2. opera min shortcut on manila 2d not working
report bug (if possible give solution )
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wm6.5b_ultimate_new_gene.rar only for new gene
plz softreset phone before first use or hard reset
For new GENE or OLD GENE ?
And when will release?
Advance Thanks to u Ankit360. Waiting. Pls make it simple as it before, like touchflo, htc taskmanager, if possiable that cute dialer u have used before.
The current dialer also not bad. Dose it have Smartdial?
Can you please use the Analog watch instead of the digital one? ;|
And a feature list would be nice
Blueangel180 said:
Can you please use the Analog watch instead of the digital one? ;|
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To ankit
i also want the analog clock it looks cool
& start menu icon which looks like vista is also be default as in wm6.1
plz do it if possible otherwise ur choice because its ur rom
Tnahks
One more Question when will it release i can't wait any more
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Advance Thanks to u Ankit360. Waiting. Pls make it simple as it before, like touchflo, htc taskmanager, if possiable that cute dialer u have used before.
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Hi Ankit,
As far as the dialer is concerned is it possible for u to use the OPAL PHONE CANVAS dialer which sumit used in pro users ROM it really looks cool or the one which i have quoted now....its only a suggestion and i understand it is difficult to modify parts of the ROM which u have created already...
steptoweb said:
For new GENE or OLD GENE ?
And when will release?
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hope u realease this for both...
thnks for replying
rom is release for old as well as new gene regarding dialer and icon I work on in the dialer show in above pics also has smartdial the old cauldron which I want some issue like sometimes phone get hang during call but I m working on it and ur feedback is also valuable
ankit360 said:
rom is release for old as well as new gene regarding dialer and icon I work on in the dialer show in above pics also has smartdial the old cauldron which I want some issue like sometimes phone get hang during call but I m working on it and ur feedback is also valuable
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Thanks for taking up our suggestions ...
w8n to get it soon
thnx in advance
@ankit: Buddy i have been researching on this build a lot. Its very buggy at places. YOu may not have noticed but the start menu shortcut of Windows Media Player does not works as the exe is for devices with ATI graphics chip. Plus the Wait Cursor is VGA in size. And all the dlls are present in compiled form as well as splitted form, taking up double space. Also, the compiled form of dlls are all VGA I think this release is ported from VGA as the 8x8 icon for folders that is used in File Explorer, Resco Explorer etc is improperly designed and shows jaggy edges. I am not feeling good about this Although i have also made a ROm with the SYS and XIP from this ROM, but i have re-ported the XIP as some files were missing from your xip (one of the important one is cacheflt.dll, that is used to speed up filesystem access).
just cant wait pls do it soon
hi
Real great man just cant wait for ur upload pls do it soon hope it is also for old gene u guys u and Krazy ur great guys man realy realy great guys
i want to do lots of changes in rom so u wnat to wait for some more day
Thanks Ankit, to follow our request. Also please make it as simple as like this gene_01162009m2d_wwe.
sorry ppl sumit is already release the rom so i m now not thinking about this
instead i will release next version of my old 6.5 rom
ankit360 said:
sorry ppl sumit is already release the rom so i m now not thinking about this
instead i will release next version of my old 6.5 rom
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why so we guys eagerly waiting for ur 6.5 rom
plz release it soon we are waiting
who is waiting for this rom ?
I am going to cook same rom as sumit
if u want some help to learn cook rom I m always be there
ROM][WWE][30/07/2009] Topaz Hoang An V1.4*WM6.5 Build 23016 with manila 2.1*without manila
welcome to my kitchen
this rom i like so much and i hope u will like too.
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link down
manila:
Code:
http://www.mediafire.com/?1mhymyoxazg
titanium:
Code:
http://www.mediafire.com/?zfgnjm0iomj
ok!
I will wait for your link!
can you tell us more about your new rom?
kevinzong said:
I will wait for your link!
can you tell us more about your new rom?
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Link download available alr bro.
Hoangan added some OEM from warhawk (AT&T Touch diamond 2 OEM) and some OEM he maked by himself, so this rom will provide fast n stable.
Enjoy it and don't forget to leave comment about bug of this rom, bro.
Thank you.
Hi, can you make any screenshots from ROM without manila?
Phone, Calendar, Start menu, Lock and unlock home menu and more.
I wish ROM without manila and Phone Canvas ...., simply WM 6.5 as WM 6.5 by BSB.
Thanks
sorry for my easy english
Any chance you can remove the at&t stuff and use 2.08 base rom?
Other than that its a good rom, no bugs from what i can see.
cityhunter
cityhunterx said:
Any chance you can remove the at&t stuff and use 2.08 base rom?
Other than that its a good rom, no bugs from what i can see.
cityhunter
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Hey... Look volume icon on topbar... can't you change it? I think, it will be more nice if you change it to another.
nhathoa said:
Hey... Look volume icon on topbar... can't you change it? I think, it will be more nice if you change it to another.
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yes, maybe version behind i will change. thank !
Thanks, it's very nice rom, only one thing that I can't make flip of Manila in your rom, there'll only show half screen.
citiboy said:
Thanks, it's very nice rom, only one thing that I can't make flip of Manila in your rom, there'll only show half screen.
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[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\HTCSENSOR\GSensor]
delete key : Autorotate = 1
and 2 folder key : ModuleName and Whitelist
After that reset your device !
And now u have fully functions of Flip it in your Topaz already
hoangan12 said:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\HTCSENSOR\GSensor]
delete key : Autorotate = 1
and 2 folder key : ModuleName and Whitelist
After that reset your device !
And now u have fully functions of Flip it in your Topaz already
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Thanks Hoangan12, I've already do that, and it's flip but only show half screen in Manila.
It looks so good but I cannot download it. The download link is not working for me (in China). Is there any other link available?
amboxy said:
It looks so good but I cannot download it. The download link is not working for me (in China). Is there any other link available?
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Download from here: http://giesecke.tk:8090/privat/topa...M+6.5/HoangAn/&download=Topaz_manila23016.rar
citiboy said:
Download from here: http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Cooked_ROMs/WM+6.5/HoangAn/&download=Topaz_manila23016.rar
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hehehehe
This mirror is special for my asian friends. Located in Tokyo.
Thanks for your work.
I have problem, I can't sync contacts with this firmware.
Whats the difference between Manilla en Titanium? When I look at the screenshot I see TouchFlo3D?
no difference between manila and titanium. manila use HTC manila for today ,titanium use titanium today.i'm building manila 2.5 with new build better ver 1.3. present ..i'm busy i will post earlest. sorry my bad english
hoangan12 said:
no difference between manila and titanium. manila use HTC manila for today ,titanium use titanium today.i building manila 2.5 better ver 1.3. present ..i'm busy i will post earlest. sorry my bad english
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When you will post it? today?
gani_d said:
When you will post it? today?
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no. i'm not at home. i'm going to travel ^^,maybe sunday
BIG Problem with all people button
It seams that in your rom contacts are not working properly. flasshed rom twice and still same error.
Pressing all people button in contacts make manila restet and not working at all.Any Ideas ?
Details
Build 23047.5.3.0
Pool Size -6
Free RAM - 21 to 23MB
Free Storage - 59MB
Check out the screen shots
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DOWNLOAD LINKS
NEW GENE
OLD GENE
Please post your comments...
-JayS
jays_12 said:
Check out the screen shots
Download link will be added on Requests
So Please post
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upload ur kitchen
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jays_12 said:
Check out the screen shots
Download link will be added on Requests
So Please post
-JayS
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@Jay : Please post the download link for OLD GENE
dont forget our beloved new gene too....eagerly waiting
Before making pple interested, you need to provide some technical details, like:
Build No.
What's in it (non standard or add on)
What's NOT in it (which is otherwise standard)
Free RAM
Free Storage
No offence,
he's just making his thread popular....
no ROM,no details....just few fancy screenshots he got.
shail00 said:
he's just making his thread popular....
no ROM,no details....just few fancy screenshots he got.
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Yes, thats true!!
Please recheck my thread for little more Details and 2moro you will get a link for NEW GENE
Whats new in this ROM??its just 23047!!
3q. Can it use in GENE?
deathgame said:
Whats new in this ROM??its just 23047!!
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Buddy, you haven't seen the wallpaper?
Are you posting the links today?
I am sure you would not just show the screenshots but roll out the ROM now.
deathgame said:
1).icons-only u have changed folder catagory icons in startmenu
2).i cant see ur work on buttons...they are default 23047...
3).all chef's release their ROM with unwanted programs???
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Now, can you see the little difference with Buttons?
Thread cleaned up, cut the fighting.
deathgame said:
thats it!now i removed those words...
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That warning went for you too. You are not higher than other users because you know how to click "report post", don't act like it.
Now, please go back to discussing the ROM using nice, polite words like flowers and kittens .
keep up the good work bro. trying this on the new gene. actually on a friend's gene. and i must say...this is quite some work man.
PS: jus cos you forgot to add the rom details before (btw which you shud add always) and cos you are new to cooking (take note of that, the rest of you) dont let some members get you down by their way of NOT appreciating.
like the mod said...think abt the rest of us kittens...prrr...we prrr...like your ROM...prr
and i must say....Gary13579....i salute your respect and understanding towards members. ppl like you are the reason we still like the forum.
please post for OLD Gene too..
chigz said:
please post for OLD Gene too..
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OLD GENE will be added 2moro...
Thanks
Jay bro iam enjoying ur rom i have to say ur really great. What a beautiful rom yaar its so much beautiful i really want this rom on my htc touch viva (opal) also bro could u port this rom to opal whole opal community will be happy may be u will also be rewarded currently in my opal iam using rom of phamquang not good wm 6.5 build 23041 plz plzzzzzzzz port this rom to opal waiting for u iam online today for u online for u only all day so plz post reply.waiting.........
jagan2 said:
Jay bro iam enjoying ur rom i have to say ur really great. What a beautiful rom yaar its so much beautiful i really want this rom on my htc touch viva (opal) also bro could u port this rom to opal whole opal community will be happy may be u will also be rewarded currently in my opal iam using rom of phamquang not good wm 6.5 build 23041 plz plzzzzzzzz port this rom to opal waiting for u iam online today for u online for u only all day so plz post reply.waiting.........
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Thanks Man!! But so sorry(ONLY GENE) Sorry!!
SO 1ST OF ALL THANKS TO ALL TIME GREATS OF GENE FORUM BESFEN,SUMIT,RAMERSNOW AND ALL THE XDA'S USERS
SPECIAL THANX TO KARAN,DEATHGAME AND PAVANBAW FOR SHARING EXT AND THEME FILES .
NOW THIS IS MY FIRST ROM WHICH I M RELEASING TO USERS.
I HAVE TRIED TO MAKE IT GOOD FOR EVERYTHING.
THE ROM IS QUITE FAST, AS I M USING LATEST BUILD 21870.
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BUILD 21870
FREE RAM: 19MB(WITH TITANIUM)
FREE RAM: 13MB(WITH TOUCH FLO)
DOWNLOADS IN 2ND POST
PACKAGES IN ROM
1FolderIcons
Advanced_Configuration_Tool_v3_3
AudioBooster_Jade_1_2
AudioManager_Mega
BluetoothExplorerFTP
bufed
fileexplorerex
GoogleMaps_July09_v3_2
hc4_inbox_signed
HTCAlbum_Opal
HTCAnimation
HWbuttonFix
JBed_3dMod_12_02_2008
PACKAGE_Elfin_AdvancedNetwork
PACKAGE_Elfin_ClearStorage
PACKAGE_Elfin_DeviceInfo
PACKAGE_Elfin_MicrophoneAGC
PACKAGE_Elfin_Power
PACKAGE_MEGA_2DManila
PACKAGE_MEGA_Redial
PACKAGE_Opal_TaskManager
PHMRegistryEditor
PPC_PIM_Backup_Dotfred
Settings+
SimManager_Mega
SmallUtils
USBtoPC
VoiceRecorder_Opal
ZZZZ_ADD_App_2Slide_SRS_WOWHD_ARM
CAMERA GENE
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DOWNLOADS
NEW GENE DOWNLOAD - MEDIAFIRE
OLD GENE DOWNLOAD - MEDIAFIRE
Reserved for future
Congratulations for your RELEASE..!!!
Nice to see a New ROM & a NEW CHEF..!!!
Hi Ultriva,
Welcome to the world of rom cooking. And congrats for your rom.
hey nice signature buddy!
luking forward to get graphically enhanced problem free and stable roms all the best
Hi
looks like the rom for old gene is not working...i have tried and it says file corrupted error 270...i will try to re download the file...any one else with old gene faced any problems?
htc3400 said:
Hi
looks like the rom for old gene is not working...i have tried and it says file corrupted error 270...i will try to re download the file...any one else with old gene faced any problems?
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I have new gene...so u need to wait for others to get there replies...
i will see if i can do anything
ramersonw said:
Hi Ultriva,
Welcome to the world of rom cooking. And congrats for your rom.
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yup thanx a lot...buddy
siddhesh1609 said:
hey nice signature buddy!
luking forward to get graphically enhanced problem free and stable roms all the best
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yeah thank you ...
most probably after first 2 releases graphically enhanced and stable rom will be released...so that i will get more experince
thanx to all
feedbacks
Guys please dont forget to give your feedbacks.
some suggestions-
use can do some different things like change M2D fonts.
make,collect or request new image files or icons and put it into ur ROM.
try to achieve more storage and RAM
dont include camera loader in ur ROM...those who want more free RAM...they will install camera loader after installing ROM.
collect some new softwares from freeware sites and include it in ur ROM.
make sure u made same ROM for old and new GENE
always mension pagepool,phone memory,RAM on startup and avg. use
problem with manila 2d.. repeatedly ask "tap here to launch touchFLO"
HTC3400i_np said:
problem with manila 2d.. repeatedly ask "tap here to launch touchFLO"
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this happens if u have a large number of msgs after the restore
hey nice rom .......
plz upload d kithcen
abhay050 said:
hey nice rom .......
plz upload d kithcen
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thanx
will upload the kitchen as soon as possible.
vaibhav_batra_the_techguy said:
this happens if u have a large number of msgs after the restore
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Is there any solution to it....I am also facing the same problem
have 1000 msgs in Inbox
imblfmstr said:
Is there any solution to it....I am also facing the same problem
have 1000 msgs in Inbox
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Disable message tab through M2DC (M2D customizer)
htc3400 said:
i will try to re download the file...
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i have tried to redownload the rom file but still not working...
Ultriva said:
I have new gene...so u need to wait for others to get there replies...
i will see if i can do anything
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you may think about removing the link for old gene ultriva...
vaibhav_batra_the_techguy said:
this happens if u have a large number of msgs after the restore
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hi vaibhav
i had faced this issue with karan's ultimate v7 rom,but the thing is i just has 1 messaged saved to my sim and i did not restore any messages....any ideas why that could have happened....
@offtopic
When are you releasing a new ROM...it would be really nice if you can create a new ROM with MEGA packages which could be stable like your V2 ROM.
F08-10 BASED ON 23130, FULL ROM 31-08-2010 2G
If you want to translate my rom click here thanks to kiliss
First of all, I will not upload any pictures of F08-10, it's more an update on F06-10, see pictures of F06-10 below.
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What's new in F08-10 :
Added BootAnimation WindowsScribble thanks to GLaDOS who made a special version for me. More info can be found HERE
Changed from ConnectionSetup to ADC
Fixed the problem with the 3G switch
Added Nitrogen
Added S2V
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Added Action Screen in Touchflo in F06-10 and above
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F07-10
F06-10
If you are interested in which apss I added just download Oemcheck and place it in your phone or sd-card and run the exe
F08-10 and here is a Mirror - com3
F07-10 and here is a Mirror - com2 re-uploaded mirror
F06-10 and here is a Mirror - com3 re-uploaded mirror
F05-10 and here is a Mirror - com3
F04-10 and here is a Mirror - com2
Have fun, and remember use at your own risk
Rataplan said:
WM 28002 Lite
Hi all, just need some testers for my first rom.
At the moment don't have time to make a thread with some screenshot's
So more info follows later.
Here is the link : http://www.4shared.com/file/161553166/97e56fc9/28002L.html
Have fun, and remember use at your own risk
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later or tomorrow i test this rom on my nike and upload some screenshots and give some informations
Downloading
Downloading right now.will give u my feedback 2morrow
Alls seems to be working pretty good.
Here are some screens:
The memory is like this after I installed all my usuall software.
Thanks.
start menu
good one pal.but the start menu is not attractive.
deepankerjha said:
good one pal.but the start menu is not attractive.
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If you mean the lockscreen, sorry for that but that was just a test forgot to delete but you can edit the cpr file and add your own info.
twolf said:
Alls seems to be working pretty good.
Here are some screens:
The memory is like this after I installed all my usuall software.
Thanks.
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Thanks for the screenshot
I think he ment the start menu being a list, but everyone has a different taste and that very easy to change, just replace the attached files on the Windows folder to have it with this looks:
One small change I noticed so far, every install has a new first step where you choose to install or not. No biggie, just different.
Does the task manager work? Thanks!
True Wolf
thats exactly what I meant Twolf.thx a lot boss.
prvtryan said:
Does the task manager work? Thanks!
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it does. You can kill running tasks.
Another new thing I noticed, the "touch" is different on list selections. I have to keep the selection pressed for at least half a second for it to be selected. Again, not bad, just different.
Really liking the speed.
SMS and Contacts
The ROM is fast but for me it's not useable. When I open sms manager and open one sms, it doesn't show up. Just stucked at the SMS list but never open an sms. Also, the contact list shows up but never open one contact. For me, this is not useable.
I guess you are right, I use M2D and icontact, so I hadnt noticed that yet...
Probs
Hey Pal
the speed is terrific,but u have to work out on a few bugs.sms doesnt show up.even in the connection setup no display.same with contacts.
I am pretty sure u will wipe off these bugs.
can u plz share the sys 28002 with us.I would love to make a rom using it
hey, whats new in the update?
syre said:
hey, whats new in the update?
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Just deleted a view small bugs, and the contact and sms is working on the update (just tested) wasn't aware and didn't noticed it didn't work so I delete the first link.
Rock=On
I knewvthat u will do it at the earliest.Good job pal.
wat abt sharing the 28002 SYS?
Is there any registry change or easy fix for the SMS's so that i dont have to reinstall everything again?
Or are there many new changes?
twolf said:
Is there any registry change or easy fix for the SMS's so that i dont have to reinstall everything again?
Or are there many new changes?
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Sorry but I deleted the corrupted rom, so I have to take a look in the new build, let you know asap.
the rom works fast und stable, but it seems so that on older builds the touchscreen responds better