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I searched but did not find much current information-
Has anyone gone to an oversized high capacity replacement battery for their wizard? I see several on ebay from $17 to $30 delivered and doubling the battery capacity has to be a good thing.....right?
dcyale said:
I searched but did not find much current information-
Has anyone gone to an oversized high capacity replacement battery for their wizard? I see several on ebay from $17 to $30 delivered and doubling the battery capacity has to be a good thing.....right?
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i was thinking about it as all wm devices suck on battery life... but i charge mine all day at work and on my nitestand, and it usually lasts about two days without charging anyways....
i figured my brick is already big enough i'd just buy a second battery and keep alternating the two (keep one in the car or something with a car charger)...
I did purchase a large / double capacity battery - and am very happy with the purchase. Yes, it makes the brick a bit larger, and does come with a battery door as the original will not fit.
I was having charging issues, believe my battery was at the end of its lifespan - was having to charge every night, and if battery got below 51%, my wizard would continually loop at windows mobile flash screen.
I've gone as long as four days without a charge with the new extended battery - that is running some of the XDA WM6 roms - using wifi, etc.
I find the phone easier to hold with the larger battery
Just my .02 cents
Have a good one
does the phone with the bigger battery still fit in the regular case?
Thanks
The phone still fits in my holder - that was a big plus for me.......
The holder I have is a brown leather one with the logo Reiko on it. Came with the phone when I bought it on ebay. It has elastics on the side, so not sure if it is a specific holder for the wizard only.
Can't really help much more than that
Have a good one
Thanks for the info, bill_in_mtl.
I have decided to buy one. Hopefully it'll fit in the case.
What's a good place to buy one?
I found someone on e-bay selling them for $12 shipped.
http://cgi.ebay.com/2400mAh-Ext-OEM...ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
It says it's by Celxpert.
Is this battery to be trusted, or could this turn out to be a cheap, low quality product?
I purchased mine on ebay also - for just about the same price. Have had no issues whatsoever with the new battery.
One note is that you need to ensure you identify which model you have - the different Wizard models have different battery doors.
Cingular 8125 and TMobile MDA have different battery doors. I noticed that the ebay item you linked shows it is for the mda.
I ordered and received the correct item for the 8125.
Thanks again for the info.
I just ordered the one I linked to.
I do have a T-mobile MDA.
I'll report here how it works out.
After one day of using the high capacity battery I got from e-bay, I can say so far it's performing great. The phone is bulkier now, but it can still fit in the original case that T-Mobile sent with the phone, although barely.
I may start making a lot of voip calls over wi-fi, so can't do without a high capacity battery.
ive always used mugen powered batteries when it came to extended, they are the best quality out there. a little pricey but the best.
for the touch pro they have two out so far:
1800mah STANDARD SIZE battery. i am looking into getting this one because their is no need for a extended backpeice, its the original size.
http://www.mugenpowerbatteries.info.../es109514_es120302495377/Products/HLI-T7373SL
the second one is a 4500mah extended battery that comes with a new backpeice.
http://www.mugenpowerbatteries.info.../es109514_es120302495377/Products/HLI-T7373XL
one question i have is, will the backpeice fit the tmobile US touch pro 2 ? the tmo us touch pro is just a flat cover that dosent go around the edges, but looking at the unbranded tp2 and the backpeice goes around the edge. so are they a different size or the same ?
in opinion, which one is a better value ? taking into thought the size difference
I would get the 1800mAh for 2 reasons.
1. Better value for money.
2. No extra battery cover needed. OEM TP2 fits fine with 1800mAh
If you do buy the 1800mAh, please do post a review...
also if you look on the mugen website, they also have a 3000mAh for $80 which fits the TP2 but a extended battery cover is needed which is supplied...
I'll surely go for the 1800mAh. not that pricey after all, if it really gives that 20% more usage time with no need for weird battery covers and so on! I've been crossing my fingers for months hoping to see a standard size / increased capacity battery!
moreove mugen power batteries are well known all over the world as I can see, and much appreciated by many users, which is good!
wow I'm so happy! jayizzbakk you're the man!
UPDATE: all htc touch pro 2 t7373 batteries are currently out of stock. I wonder when they'll be back on stock again??
I purchased one of these on eBay without thinking. No it doesn't fit the Tmobile USA Touch Pro 2.
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I'd think having a 4500ma battery for trips etc would be great.
I'm guessing the one you listed is not for the Tmobie Touch Pro 2 either.
I have one of the 1800 ma batteries on its way to me now I will let you know how it does on the Telus TP2
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I have one of the 1800 ma batteries on its way to me now I will let you know how it does on the Telus TP2
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I was looking into getting one for my Telus TP2 as well. Please do post a review.
no problem, im also waiting for them to come into stock. im afraid that it wont be a big difference
I don't think there is is an extended battery with a rear cover made for the At&t fuze...\
I too went on ebay, bought a 2800mah and cover, not realizing what the descript meant by unlocked (unbranded)
blasted the seller with negative feedback, there in hong Kong, even if they where to credit mysale and shipping both ways, I wouldn't have been satisfied, for the time I waited and that was with me paying express.... they should have written Unbranded, not unlocked(unlocking is software, un branding is hardware) Period
i saw the exact same one, and was thinking that unlocked has nothing to do with it lol
im hoping they can make an extended with a rear door in mind of the tmo tp2 users.
im really looking into the standard size extended because this phone is already big and heavy, no need for a size boost
I was liking the idea of something like the HTC Battery bank but it's kinda expensive. What do you guys think about making something like this:
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/ele/1331980387.html
Would that even work, or worse yet, would it harm the device. Too bad I just sold my MDA or I'd have an old piecer to test it on.
I haven't seen any real high AAA Lipo, maybe 1,000 - 1,500 Mah not any improvement
Unbranded Extended Battery
I did the same... I bought the unbranded 2800. I just looked and seen that it wont fit. I bought it on the 22nd and they put a note saying it would only fit the unbranded on the 24th... So now I have to wait for it to get here, just to send it back...
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I did the same... I bought the unbranded 2800. I just looked and seen that it wont fit. I bought it on the 22nd and they put a note saying it would only fit the unbranded on the 24th... So now I have to wait for it to get here, just to send it back...
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probably after I gave them neutral feedback, Listen I waited over a week to get it and paid the express shipping, its not a total lose, cause the batter is still good, but there is nothing they can do to make me happy, short of refunding me the whole sale, and I wouldn't want or expect that, so.... "just changed unlocked to unbranded" sothis don't happen to anyone else
mugen batteries for touch pro 2 will be in stock by the end of next week. their customer service is superb, will surely buy the 1800mAh one, though I fear it won't be much of an improvement...
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mugen batteries for touch pro 2 will be in stock by the end of next week. their customer service is superb, will surely buy the 1800mAh one, though I fear it won't be much of an improvement...
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won't see much of an improvement till u move too the 2400 and beyond, I'll wait till they come out with an extened back cover
I wonder if this is correct: 1800mAh is 20% more than 1500, so is it correct to assume that it will increase my phone life of nearly 20% (likely less - but HOW MUCH less?)?
There are some 1800mAh batteries for the TP2 on ebay but I can't imagine a $1.50 battery is going to do much besides melt my phone.
and what about that:
http://cgi.ebay.fr/HTC-Touch-Pro-2-...3?hash=item20ad159355&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177
It's hard to tell how thick the back cover is
Got my Mugen 1800 ma battery today
It arrived in todays mail will let you know what my impressions are after I have used it for a few days.
I am looking to upgrade my battery, but as I read through these forums all i see is people complaining about crappy Chinese made battery's that work good at 1st but then suck after a month or so.
What brand has the best quality?
SEIDIO
4U
MU**** (some name i can't remember)
anyone have an opinion
Thank You
If you're looking for a battery that doesn't need an extended cover, I can recommend the Andida. I picked up an Andida 1600mAh battery off of eBay, shipped from Hong Kong. I've only had it for less than 2 weeks, so I couldn't tell you about performance degredation. However, I can tell you that the battery does perform significantly better than the OEM HTC battery that came with the phone. I did a little bootlegged battery test with the Andida and found that it had about 30% better battery life than the stock HTC one. Good luck finding the right battery...
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If you're looking for a battery that doesn't need an extended cover, I can recommend the Andida. I picked up an Andida 1600mAh battery off of eBay, shipped from Hong Kong. I've only had it for less than 2 weeks, so I couldn't tell you about performance degredation. However, I can tell you that the battery does perform significantly better than the OEM HTC battery that came with the phone. I did a little bootlegged battery test with the Andida and found that it had about 30% better battery life than the stock HTC one. Good luck finding the right battery...
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i can confirm this too
I've talked about this many times on here. This is the BEST battery for the G1 IMO. http://tinyurl.com/g1batt. Can't say enough about it and I have six months of use to back it up.
ekeefe41 said:
I am looking to upgrade my battery, but as I read through these forums all i see is people complaining about crappy Chinese made battery's that work good at 1st but then suck after a month or so.
What brand has the best quality?
SEIDIO
4U
MU**** (some name i can't remember)
anyone have an opinion
Thank You
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you're referring to Mugen. and idk about the others, like the chinese and stuff. the Andida seems to be quality, wish i knew about it before i bought the 2600mah seidio...
everyone also says that Seidio is quality. out of the list here i would recommend you to them. try the andida i guess. man oh man why did i spend $50 when i could have spent $15... and even three andida batteries for the same price >.<
The only battery I personally would ever recommend to anybody.
http://www.seidioonline.com/product-p/basi14tmg1.htm
Hello,
I've ordered a 3.200mAh Battery from Mugen Power.
Now the Phone thickness increases to 23mm, so the original case doesn't fit.
Is there a case like the original for this brick?
Regards
Wiesel
Sorry for out-of-topic question - but how long does this battery last after full charge? -Thanks.
"PLEASE NOTE THIS BATTERY INCREASES THE THICKNESS OF THE DEVICE TO 23mm.
REPLACEMENT BATTERY COVER IS INCLUDED. "
So you don't have to order another one, isn't it? ^^"
My current stock battery lasts for about 2.5 days. If the above mentioned battery lasts for about a week I would definitely consider buying one and keep the stock battery as a backup
but the price is crazy..$96?!?
I hope somebody can review a yoobao 2200mah.
The battery arrived, few minutes ago.
So I can give some statement in a couple of days.
Mugen is very expensive, but the batteries are high quallity.
I have a three years old 3300mAh in my tytn and have power for over a week
with bt on and mutch sufring on it.
hi,
Can you please let us know the results with your new battery?
sweet I would have loved that much juice in my toy too!! I can't wait for batteries powered by nuclearity! (there are those now, read it in a magazine) They can actually make them much tinier yet safe enough for daily use.. hell, even the older pacemakers were powerd by splitting atoms
BATTERY
The battery will come with a new back cover included
DasWiesel, do you recommend this battery? is it worth the $100? how much longer battery life are you getting out of it as opposed to the original battery? is the extended thickness noticeable by a lot? do you like chocolate chip cookies? oh sorry let's just stick to the subject
isn't it very heavy????
it seems the phone will be like a brick! no?
I should buy one battery...
see here 2200 mAH
it contains back cover too...
please write a review here...
thanks
http://www.superetrader.co.uk/extended-battery-for-htc-touch-diamond-2200mah-p-4207.html
devices with new batteries are all bricked or are there actually some results on the duration?
I just purchased the Mugen 3200mah battery for my HTC Pure. With the original battery, I'd get 15 hours of moderate use. I'm now on my second charge on the Mugen and it looks like it will run for 30 hours. That means even with heavy use, I can easily get a full work day out of it. Weight with the new battery - 5.4oz (155g). That's up from the original 4.15oz (117g).
Update = after 24 hours, the battery is still going strong and is at 49%. So looks like it will run for more like 2 days in moderate use !
2nd update = After 49 hours, the battery is at 2% and I'm going to recharge it. So, 2 days of moderate use !
As to size and weight, I previously had the AT&T 8125 and 8525 (HTC Wizard and Hermes) and the HTC Pure with the extended battery is about the same size and weight as these. So, I don't have the hardware keyboard those units had, but I do have a phone that will last through a day of even high use (push mail, web use, phone calls, etc.) ! Worth it for me.
saeba said:
I just purchased the Mugen 3200mah battery for my HTC Pure.
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i too just purchased the mugen 3200mah and have one question. on their website it say's that it's for the t5353 (touch diamond 2) and does not mention the st6356 (at&t pure). i know they are both the same phone, however, after seeing pictures of the t5353 back cover, it looks like it covers the entire back of the phone from top to bottom, while the st6356 has a back cover that only goes three quarters of the way down. did i just pay $100 for nothing or will the back cover fit just fine?
jetbro said:
i too just purchased the mugen 3200mah and have one question. on their website it say's that it's for the t5353 (touch diamond 2) and does not mention the st6356 (at&t pure). i know they are both the same phone, however, after seeing pictures of the t5353 back cover, it looks like it covers the entire back of the phone from top to bottom, while the st6356 has a back cover that only goes three quarters of the way down. did i just pay $100 for nothing or will the back cover fit just fine?
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The back covers do look quite different so I can't say. I bought the mugen for the HTC Pure - http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-3200mAh-MUG...ewItem&pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item45f022bfc9
I recommended this battery to a friend and she got one as well from eBay and loves it. She was going to pitch the phone and buy an iPhone till I got her to upgrade the battery and then installed an Energy Rom for her.
i just saw some more pictures and yes, they are different. so the question now is, is it possible to buy just the mugen back cover for the pure without the battery?
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never mind that. naked cell phones from ebay offered to sell me the back cover alone for $11.99. but there was no need since mugen power batteries were kind enough to cancel my order. so i purchased the whole thing and received it today. i hope it's as good as everyone claims.
Can somebody post a picture of his Topaz and the mugen some that I can get a expression about the new look?
Mugen Power just released 3600mAh battery for Motorola Photon 4G. Has anyone given it a try already?
http://www.facebook.com/mugenpowerbatteries
Mugen Power 3600mAh Battery for Motorola Photon 4G
I would like to know something about it too, but prefer the chinese 3500mah, from ebay. 100$ is a lot!
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Mugen Power? Not available, Seideo....now shipping
porcupineli said:
Mugen Power just released 3600mAh battery for Motorola Photon 4G. Has anyone given it a try already?
http://www.facebook.com/mugenpowerbatteries
Mugen Power 3600mAh Battery for Motorola Photon 4G
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went to the real mugen power website, checked on the extended battery, it is out of stock, you can order but wont receive until november
ordered my seidio extended battery for the photon 4g it will arrive tomorrow. there are a few counterfeit mugen websites on the web so be careful, mugen power batteries are quite good.
as for cheapo chinese batteries you get what you pay for, many chinese batteries are labeled with exaggerated claims as to their mah rating, several of these batteries have been found to be no larger than the standard ones containing weights to make them feel authentic, never trust chinese knockoff batteries, some will also damage your device and some have been known to catch fire, saving a few bucks on a cheap chinese battery that saves you a few bucks today and ends up costing you your device.......suddenly not soo cheap anymore you know the old saying....you get what you pay for
When I first saw this post, I was all over it until I saw the extended door. I do not want any battery (or accessory for that matter) that adds size or weight to the device. With that said, for my and other members knowledge, will it fit in car dock?
cutter2668 said:
went to the real mugen power website, checked on the extended battery, it is out of stock, you can order but wont receive until november
ordered my seidio extended battery for the photon 4g it will arrive tomorrow. there are a few counterfeit mugen websites on the web so be careful, mugen power batteries are quite good.
as for cheapo chinese batteries you get what you pay for, many chinese batteries are labeled with exaggerated claims as to their mah rating, several of these batteries have been found to be no larger than the standard ones containing weights to make them feel authentic, never trust chinese knockoff batteries, some will also damage your device and some have been known to catch fire, saving a few bucks on a cheap chinese battery that saves you a few bucks today and ends up costing you your device.......suddenly not soo cheap anymore you know the old saying....you get what you pay for
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there are one seller at ebay with mugen batteries, you can check.
not the real mc coy
olegfusion said:
there are one seller at ebay with mugen batteries, you can check.
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As I said the REAL mugen power does not currently have the battery in stock nor have they ever, there are however phony websites claiming to have an extended battery for the photon, these are counterfeit products and not genuine mugen power batteries, there was soo much confusion and soo many soo called mugen websites that I spoke directly with the company.
They are awaiting shipping of the batteries so anyone who orders them from the genuine mugenpower site will not see their product shipped until some time in november.
Most ebay batteries are fakes, mugenpower does not sell batteries on ebay, chinese scammers sell knockoffs on ebay for cheap, they ruin your phone and catch fire, thanks but not thanks, you get what you pay for.
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When I first saw this post, I was all over it until I saw the extended door. I do not want any battery (or accessory for that matter) that adds size or weight to the device. With that said, for my and other members knowledge, will it fit in car dock?
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I find extended batteries dont add that much bulk and actually make the evo and now my photon easier to handle, most people who try an extended battery for a week tend to keep them and love them, you'll just have to find a diffferent case to carry your phone in, easily solved at best buy or other stores that sell generic cell phone cases for phones with larger screens. As noted before, this battery is extremely light compared to the evo's extended battery, I was surprised really. As for a car dock? not sure if the extended would work or not, but you could always use the regular battery for that purpose and swap out the extended when not using in the car dock. These batteries WILL get you through a day, people tend to complain about the bulk havent tried one and lets face it, your carrying extra **** now ..........another standard battery or a charger and charging it up throughout the day or in the car, extended batteries free you from that burden. if you dont like it you have 30 days to return it if you buy it from seidio, best buy also sells seidio products so the battery may show up their, the retail packaging at best buy does not bear the seidio name but they carry the seidio extended battery and several of their cases, very fancy packaging, certainly not rocketfish lol.
Hi, I saw this in eBay , will it be of any serious issue if I use this battery with my photon , I just ordered for one , thought it was a good deal coz my battery hardly lasts for 5 hours , thats it. I'm an entrepreneur and I need to make lots of calls and emails . Like 7 hours a day I need to divert my photon's number to my BB coz the fone lasts literally 5 hours . Any suggestions .,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3500mAh-Ext...5?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item1c1fff3c1f#shId
you get what you pay for, buyers beware of cheap ebay phone batteries from china
sarandepp said:
Hi, I saw this in eBay , will it be of any serious issue if I use this battery with my photon , I just ordered for one , thought it was a good deal coz my battery hardly lasts for 5 hours , thats it. I'm an entrepreneur and I need to make lots of calls and emails . Like 7 hours a day I need to divert my photon's number to my BB coz the fone lasts literally 5 hours . Any suggestions .,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3500mAh-Ext...5?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item1c1fff3c1f#shId
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that battery on ebay is a chinese knockoff, I wouldnt trust it, also look at the back cover, the speaker grill looks like it will obscure sound, I highly recommend the seidio extended battery for the business man who needs extra power, ebay batteries seldom live up to their claims, I have taken some apart to find that they have no more cells or fewer cells and power than a standard battery, some of these can also damage your phone, seidios battery is only 69 dollars, thats twenty bucks more than a genuine standard motorola battery and you get 3500 mah instead of 1600. when it comes to after market batteries I only trust mugen power and seidio ( beware of counterfeit sites imitating mugenpower) the seidio extended fits the phone perfectly, much better speaker grill, had to turn my volume down, mugeenpower batteries are generally good with fit and finish as well. at the official mugen power batteries site you will find that these batteries are currently not in stock, only the counterfeit sites have them "in stock" so heads up if you go with mugen, the official site says you can order but will not be shipped intil november 4th.
The Battery is on its way , I'll buy a mugen itself as u have suggested, I wont use this ebay battery then .,
i bet ur phone case wont fit with that
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As I said the REAL mugen power does not currently have the battery in stock nor have they ever, there are however phony websites claiming to have an extended battery for the photon, these are counterfeit products and not genuine mugen power batteries, there was soo much confusion and soo many soo called mugen websites that I spoke directly with the company.
They are awaiting shipping of the batteries so anyone who orders them from the genuine mugenpower site will not see their product shipped until some time in november.
Most ebay batteries are fakes, mugenpower does not sell batteries on ebay, chinese scammers sell knockoffs on ebay for cheap, they ruin your phone and catch fire, thanks but not thanks, you get what you pay for.
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I find extended batteries dont add that much bulk and actually make the evo and now my photon easier to handle, most people who try an extended battery for a week tend to keep them and love them, you'll just have to find a diffferent case to carry your phone in, easily solved at best buy or other stores that sell generic cell phone cases for phones with larger screens. As noted before, this battery is extremely light compared to the evo's extended battery, I was surprised really. As for a car dock? not sure if the extended would work or not, but you could always use the regular battery for that purpose and swap out the extended when not using in the car dock. These batteries WILL get you through a day, people tend to complain about the bulk havent tried one and lets face it, your carrying extra **** now ..........another standard battery or a charger and charging it up throughout the day or in the car, extended batteries free you from that burden. if you dont like it you have 30 days to return it if you buy it from seidio, best buy also sells seidio products so the battery may show up their, the retail packaging at best buy does not bear the seidio name but they carry the seidio extended battery and several of their cases, very fancy packaging, certainly not rocketfish lol.
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This is totally legit - there are many mugen fakes out there. I'm posting a lot of news about mugen cuz I'm in touch with their representative. They are quite open for communication so if you have questions, just shoot them a message or add them on Facebook.
mugen claims
According to this web site mugen falls short of it's claims often enough.
http://batteryboss.org/
Just ordered a 3600mah from MUGENBATTERY.com. Hope that is the legit site. Price was $88.00. Anyone know of an app that will let me know how much juice is left in the extended battey? I'm running CM9 Alpha...
Battery circle might help. I've heard problems with the photon not reading battery percentage correctly. That was on the seidio battery tho. It would stay at 1% for like 5hrs. Any issues with the mugen one?
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jbuggydroid said:
Battery circle might help. I've heard problems with the photon not reading battery percentage correctly. That was on the seidio battery tho. It would stay at 1% for like 5hrs. Any issues with the mugen one?
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Still waiting for UPS to deliver it, but will post my finds ASAP. I heard an app called Battery Monitor may help...
Just a FYI, battery circle will not help with the issue of extended batteries not registering the correct percentage left.
Even on CM7 the percentages don't display correctly? Our on any other ROM?
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Even on CM7 the percentages don't display correctly? Our on any other ROM?
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Just got my 3600 Mugen Power extended battery last night. Came 100% charged out of the box. I love this thing and can tell it is quality built. Phone actually feels better in the hand with it as opposed to with stock battery & cover. I'm running CM9 Alpha ICS (not so great with battery consumption) but my phone lasted 12 hours with heavy use. Still need to break it in too (instructions said 4 to 5 100% to 0% runs)!
Also got my battery indicator to calibrate with it as well...
Here is the trick: You must charge the extended battery to 100%, power off device, boot into recovery and then wipe battery stats and reboot phone. Leave the phone on until the battery drains totally dead and the phone shuts off automatically because of it. After this charge the phone back to 100% without removing it from the charger (took 4 hours for me) and enjoy, you're now calibrated to the extended battery.
Nice I just got the trexcell one off Amazon. Reviews were good. If it is crap then at least it was cheap lol. I over night it. Should be here tomorrow
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You said it actually feels better in hand, I'm sure the added weight has to do with that. What about pocket size though? Is it a pain to get in and out of a pair of jeans? Just flashed CM 7.2 and I'm doing the whole calibrate thing. I hope what you detailed works, good thing I've got all day to play with it and run it down from 100% to 0 before I have to go out with it tomorrow.