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Anyone found a good car holder for the TyTN? I've looked through ebay and found a few and all of them have no charging/power connector. I don't know which one fits well. I'm looking for a good cheap holder with ot without a power connector. Any recommendations?
Try the Brodit range:
http://www.dsldevelopments.com
There's also a thread over at Modaco.com about their stuff:
http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=244140
Hope this helps.
That looks really good! But I can't afford to spend £40 on a holder. I went for a simple one from ebay for a fiver. I only use it when I go on long trips and use my tytn for satnav which is very seldom.
penyekz said:
That looks really good! But I can't afford to spend £40 on a holder. I went for a simple one from ebay for a fiver. I only use it when I go on long trips and use my tytn for satnav which is very seldom.
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You could check out these links, they are from HTC Europe.
http://www.expansys.com/htc/p_htc_item.aspx?i=142066
http://www.expansys.com/htc/p_htc_i...www.expansys.com/htc/p_htc_item.aspx?i=142058
http://www.expansys.com/htc/p_htc_item.aspx?i=142059
Things to consider though is if on long journey the phone might need charging so make sure the mini usb has enough room for a car charger to be plugged in. I use the charger for Holux GPSlim 236 satnav receiver to charge both devices when in the car. The only other problem I had with my M2000 was when accelerating hard or going fast round corners the phone would be pulled out of the cradle in fact I tried loads of cradles so I'm hoping this smaller phone doesnt suffer the same problem otherwise it could be elastic band time again.
Looking at that cradle in the top link it looks like one of the bottom lugs will block access to the mini usb which is no good really. Oh well only one way to find out and thats go and buy it.
I bought one from a Vodafone shop. It's just known as a universal car holder. Cost a fiver and works great.
I can still access the mini usb and all buttons while it's fitted in there.
Hope this helps
Has anyone bought this? http://tinyw.in/uGuJ This is about the cheapest I have seen them. Ships from China, so it will take 2-3 weeks to get it, but the price is right at $12.10 shipped. If anyone bought this please let me know if it works. Thanks!
Looks legit. Hahahahahahahaha look at the item location! It ships from: Fast Shipping From China, China
alainater said:
Looks legit. Hahahahahahahaha look at the item location! It ships from: Fast Shipping From China, China
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I've never had an issue yet with buying stuff from China or shipping from China on eBay. Returning something may be a different story.
housry23 said:
Has anyone bought this? http://tinyw.in/uGuJ This is about the cheapest I have seen them. Ships from China, so it will take 2-3 weeks to get it, but the price is right at $12.10 shipped. If anyone bought this please let me know if it works. Thanks!
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I'll let you know sometime between Nov15-Nov22. That was prolly one of the quickest impulse buys I've had in a while.
One of my buddys works at radio shack and every time I go in there to him I look at that $40 one and think I really want that but it's way too expensive. So I really hope this works.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10833&cs_id=1083314&p_id=8675&seq=1&format=2
$14 for one, and cheaper if you get multiples... also stupidly cheap prices on microUSB and HDMI cables... I have their MHL adapter and it works great!
Will these also charge your phone at the same time?
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Will these also charge your phone at the same time?
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Very lightly if at all, as the mhl requires power to work, so does your phone, it might even charge slower than a car charger or usb charge, if at all... Especially if your playing a movie or a lot of videos.
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Drewmungus said:
I'll let you know sometime between Nov15-Nov22. That was prolly one of the quickest impulse buys I've had in a while.
One of my buddys works at radio shack and every time I go in there to him I look at that $40 one and think I really want that but it's way too expensive. So I really hope this works.
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I got it in the mail today. So it took 10 days to arrive. It was in bulk packaging, There is no brand name on it at all. It came with a micro usb cable, no hdmi cable was included.
Now the important part, how does it work. Perfectly is the answer! I just plugged it in and it worked. It was well worth the money.
I can't believe for any reason that all this would come cheaper than $10.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-S-Sha...ccessories&hash=item20c014ce8a#ht_3277wt_1396
Just wondering if anyone else had seen this...
It's true. I got same case for $2.95 and it's a great case. For the rest I can't comment. Anyway, you can't go wrong with this deal. China shipping baby...
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It's true.. just some cheap stuff from China lol =P but ships from the US instead.
Purchased! I can't believe that price lol. Well to anyone who is interested, that is a deal to jump on.
I bought some stuff from itrimming years ago, yes cheap, I don't remember if I bought the radio transmitter, the case for my zune, charger, extended battery or what, but something I bought "broke" and something I bought "worked" so I should it was
What's a good rating on chargers for our phones battery? mAh rating etc. I'd like to get a car charger that won't quickcharge the battery but do the same "full" charge like an AC/USB charger
I just received my order from them. I got the same one execpt without the ac charger. It all works good. The case fits so well that the rockers are almost invisible on the sides. The clear shield is cut very accurate but a little small all the way around. Having not used any other shield that may be the way they all are cut. I don't work for them as everyone seems to point out.
I got one, I figured "tough case" incase I decide to go do or be somewhere where my phone might need it instead of my "pretty" SGP Neo Hybrid. + I needed a car charger. 8 bucks ain't bad.
Edgarhighman said:
I got one, I figured "tough case" incase I decide to go do or be somewhere where my phone might need it instead of my "pretty" SGP Neo Hybrid. + I needed a car charger. 8 bucks ain't bad.
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Haha yeah I really wanted one of those cases but when I saw this deal i couldn't resist. I'll let everyone know how it fits etc. and if the accessories work once it all comes in. I ordered yesterday, shouldn't be too far away!
Ended up buying one myself. I'm sure the chargers will break sooner or later, but for the price . . . why not?
I have the same case, just got it on Friday. I've bought accesories many times from Itrimmings on e-bay and have never been dissapointed.
For that price i couldn't refuse....Nice case by the way doesn't add weight to the phone.
I have this case from itrimmings and LOVE IT.
I got the case and a different chargers in the full package today for 8 bucks it's alright but I don't feel comfortable dropping the phone in this case
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I guess now it is too good to be true.
"This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available."
pics anyone?
For the $8 bucks, I'll tell you this. . . Well worth the $$ I paid. I got an extra wall charger for work, extra USB cable for the computer/lappy, extra car charger for trips.
The case, VERY NICE for what it cost (I think with everything else, the case would come out to $4) I am having some trouble getting used to the power button being harder to press, but other then that I can't say anything bad about it.
All the holes fit perfectly, it *kinda* sticks in your pocket, so its hard to pull it out while driving if needed. Other then that, I'd have to say its good enough for my needs.
A cheap case is fine, but your phone could flame up or explode using the wrong battery or charger. I think someone died once because of a pocket explosion.
Nice case for a decent price. Like the looks of it, but can't stand the feel of TPU.
Can anyone comment on whether the car charger (and wall charger) works with i777? I got a generic car charger when I upgrade the phone, but when I plug the phone into it in the car, the battery level _drops_ instead of increases! That basically makes it impossible to use the phone as GPS...
Amazing deal. Thanks!!!!
Just bought it
So I recieved one of those ebay generic batteries with the Black and white leabel yesterday.
it was marked 2600 mAh rating.
I peeled back the label to see whats underneath. Much to my surprise there was no casing! Its just a thin plastic frame around the outside. The cell inside did not even take up all the space. there was 1/8" X 1" thick strip of foam along the length.
I'm not gonna rip open my OEM battery but damn...I'm sure the Samsung isnt like that!
So after a full charge, the battery life was pretty dismal. 2 hrs of light use, no games, brought it down to 60%. then i went to sleep. in the morning it dropped to 33%. from that point i went down to zero after 1 hr of web browsing, sitting on my desk.
i'll upload pics later
EDIT: just slapped in the 2nd fully charged battery. its down to 87%. i took like 3 photos and nothing else. FAIL
not all generic batteries are suck!
i bet your generic battery is lighter in weight?
Anker battery weight the same as oem samsung battery.
i havnt used oem samsung battery after i got my Anker batteries.
I should specify ebay ones. Yeah i ordered a pair of ankers and a charger this morning. I however did see some nice looking battery cases with 3500mAh ratings, kind of like an external sleeve/backing.
however this makes the phone even longer and thicker, but not as gross looking as the 5000mAh double sized batteries. sadly, they are in the $45 range
EDIT: like this
http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/...laxy-Note-i9220-GT-N7000-Galaxy-Note-LTE.html
i wouldn't buy from here tho. seems sketchy
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gtnote said:
why should they not capitalize on people who look at only price and not quality? they sell crap because people buy it, and they know that you wont pay to ship it back to China for a refund. See they can ship to the US for nothing our postal service delivers it and we get the increased postal rates. Now if you purchased from a real American business you would have a better quality battery because American sellers cant get away with that crap.
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I don't find the logic in such a stereotypical post.
I bought similar...from a US seller...shipped from the US. ...same result...crap batteries
Seller did refund half of the purchase price and told me to keep the batteries.
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HHHUMMMM you spend $10 and .....
complain it is a piece of crap, not sure if you know you get what you pay for in this world. Continue to go cheap and you get cheap at some point you have to spend money for quality. Not saying the most expensive is the best, but do your research and buy the best bang for the buck vice the cheapest for the buck.
vanemburghj said:
HHHUMMMM you spend $10 and ..... complain it is a piece of crap, not sure if you know you get what you pay for in this world.
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go look at this freaking loser review on amazon. he spent 14.99$ for 2 batteries and charger, that is like 5$ for each item. And he get pissed off cus the charger takes too long to charge compare to samsung charger.
that is like getting a kia and get pissed off cus it' not as smooth or as comfortable compare to Mercedes!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007JSSNHI/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
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go look at this freaking loser review on amazon. he spent 14.99$ for 2 batteries and charger, that is like 5$ for each item. And he get pissed off cus the charger takes too long to charge compare to samsung charger.
that is like getting a kia and get pissed off cus it' not as smooth or as comfortable compare to Mercedes!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007JSSNHI/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
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That, and his second battery was defective? Don't be overly biased here.
I have 2 Anker batteries and they seem comparable to my OEM's. No better, no worse. Hopefully in time they will still perform.
They aren't even broken in yet.
In the end, they will still suck, but hopefully not that bad. I wouldn't try to use your camera with flash on using an aftermarket battery though
EDIT: Also some gentleman was selling OEM note batteries, wall charger adapter, and a USB cable for 20$ shipping on eBay. I picked one up, it's perfect, and a steal of a deal.
well ive been trying to cylcle them a few time turning EVERYTHING on and maxing brightness etc.
still. felt like i opened a big bag of chips and finding it only half full. Im curious if others found the same thing in "better" batteries?
EDIT: I fully knew i wouldnt be getting the full rated mAh as i just wanted cheap, backup batteries. I've bought many of these before, but never opened them till now.
These batteries have since been retired. Do yourselves a favor, buy the "Anker" brand batteries. Theyare as good as oem and cheap too. Under $20 for two including a stand alone charger with usb output and 600mA.
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If you need a USB C vehicle fast charger, fast charge battery pack and fast wireless charger, this bundle from Verizon is $99 and comes in 3 choices of colors for the fast wireless charging stand:
https://www.verizonwireless.com/accessories/samsung-fast-charge-everywhere-bundle-blk/
https://www.verizonwireless.com/accessories/samsung-fast-charge-everywhere-bundle-sil/
https://www.verizonwireless.com/accessories/samsung-fast-charge-everywhere-bundle-gld/
I bought this and the fast charge battery pack is very nice. It comes with a cable that has a micro USB plug and a USB C adapter that is hooked onto the cable by a loop so you can charge both micro USB and USB C devices. The color reminds me of the orchid gray S8, it's very premium looking and feeling. It has pass through charging too so you can both charge a device and the battery pack at the same time.
The fast wireless charging stand is great, it has a fan in it to help to dissipate heat.
The fast charge USB C vehicle charger has a coiled cable, which I really like for storing in my console, but I wish it came with a USB C to micro USB adapter so that it could be used to charge both types of device. You can buy USB C to micro USB adapters on amazon and ebay.
https://www.amazon.com/TriLink-Adapter-Anti-lost-Keychain-Connector/dp/B01HI5YYN8?th=1
You could similar items on amazon for about $50 for all three. I usually stay away from bundles Verizon sells. Everything is cheaper on amazon.
dluxx06 said:
You could similar items on amazon for about $50 for all three. I usually stay away from bundles Verizon sells. Everything is cheaper on amazon.
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Not of the same quality/design. The Samsung fast charging wireless charging stand has a fan in it that helps to keep the device cool while fast charging. I haven't seen any of the other brands have something like that.
The fast charging battery pack not only comes with a micro USB cord with a USB C adapter, it has a loop that makes it easy to carry. It is a very premium looking and feeling device. The color also goes well with the orchid gray S8. That may not matter to you, but I like things that look stylish.
The vehicle charger has a coiled cord, which again, is something that may not matter to you. I will only buy vehicle chargers with coiled cords as I find them so much less likely to get tangled up in my console. The only thing I would improve on is to have a USB C (female) to micro USB adapter included so that you could charge both types of devices. You can buy those on amazon or ebay.
You could get a 2 pack of the samsung (with fan) wireless charges from Woot:
https://electronics.woot.com/offers...reless-stand-2pk-2?ref=w_cnt_lnd_cat_elec_2_2
They're back in stock
LoliSmith said:
Not of the same quality/design. The Samsung fast charging wireless charging stand has a fan in it that helps to keep the device cool while fast charging. I haven't seen any of the other brands have something like that.
The fast charging battery pack not only comes with a micro USB cord with a USB C adapter, it has a loop that makes it easy to carry. It is a very premium looking and feeling device. The color also goes well with the orchid gray S8. That may not matter to you, but I like things that look stylish.
The vehicle charger has a coiled cord, which again, is something that may not matter to you. I will only buy vehicle chargers with coiled cords as I find them so much less likely to get tangled up in my console. The only thing I would improve on is to have a USB C (female) to micro USB adapter included so that you could charge both types of devices. You can buy those on amazon or ebay.
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Wireless Charger w/ Fan:
http://a.co/dqxmbv0
http://a.co/8U3HXWo
http://a.co/3kNtrQv
http://a.co/4sZfvXs
I have the first one. Been using it for a while since i had my S7 Edge.
As far as the battery pack ya the strap is a neat idea. But still much cheaper and better ones on the market. Personally I have one that can jump start cars if need be, has a flash light, and has the quick charge feature that was $50.
The coiled car charger is also good but since i have multiple devices (work phone, personal phone, and wifes phone) i have a multiple outlet quick car charger.
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Wireless Charger w/ Fan:
http://a.co/dqxmbv0
http://a.co/8U3HXWo
http://a.co/3kNtrQv
http://a.co/4sZfvXs
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Thanks, the first one is not a stand though, I like the stands. The 2nd - 4th are 2 coil stands and if you read in the reviews, the reviewers say they won't charge the Note 5 in portrait position, which is a problem I had with the 3rd party chargers. The Samsung one works with my Note 5 in either portrait or landscape position. That won't matter to you if you don't have a Note 5, but I do and also I will likely be getting the Note 8 so it could be a problem for that device.
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As far as the battery pack ya the strap is a neat idea. But still much cheaper and better ones on the market. Personally I have one that can jump start cars if need be, has a flash light, and has the quick charge feature that was $50.
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How big is that though? I want something portable and I like how attractive the Samsung one is too.
And not only can the Samsung battery pack fast charge your phone, it also has fast charge so it fast charges if you use the Samsung adaptive fast charge plug to charge it. And it can do passthrough charging and fast charge your phone while it is fast charging itself.
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Wireless Charger w/ Fan:
http://a.co/dqxmbv0
http://a.co/8U3HXWo
http://a.co/3kNtrQv
http://a.co/4sZfvXs
I have the first one. Been using it for a while since i had my S7 Edge.
As far as the battery pack ya the strap is a neat idea. But still much cheaper and better ones on the market. Personally I have one that can jump start cars if need be, has a flash light, and has the quick charge feature that was $50.
The coiled car charger is also good but since i have multiple devices (work phone, personal phone, and wifes phone) i have a multiple outlet quick car charger.
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When you buy retail, especially from a phone provider, you're ALWAYS going to overpay for the same thing rather than when you buy from Amazon or somewhere online.
sanjsrik said:
When you buy retail, especially from a phone provider, you're ALWAYS going to overpay for the same thing rather than when you buy from Amazon or somewhere online.
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No, not at all. For Samsung OEM products, the Verizon bundle is better priced than anything you can get on Amazon. The person you were responding to is recommending generic products, some of which may be OK, but they aren't Samsung products and aren't as stylish. I have used plenty of the cheaper products sold by those manufacturers and lots had problems. Plus they are cheap looking. The Samsung products are nicer.
It may not matter to you what a wireless charging stand looks like in your home sitting out on a desk or table, but it matters to me. I have a very nice looking decor and the silver Samsung wireless charging stand looks premium, not like those cheap products you can buy off of Amazon.
This is a great deal for what you get. You can always buy cheaper generic products but you can't find a better deal on the Samsung charging stand and battery pack.
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No, not at all. For Samsung OEM products, the Verizon bundle is better priced than anything you can get on Amazon. The person you were responding to is recommending generic products, some of which may be OK, but they aren't Samsung products and aren't as stylish. I have used plenty of the cheaper products sold by those manufacturers and lots had problems. Plus they are cheap looking. The Samsung products are nicer.
It may not matter to you what a wireless charging stand looks like in your home sitting out on a desk or table, but it matters to me. I have a very nice looking decor and the silver Samsung wireless charging stand looks premium, not like those cheap products you can buy off of Amazon.
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I'll just repeat what I wrote earlier. This is an atrocious price. You can do better for official samsung wireless chargers (2 for the price of less than 1 from verizon):
https://electronics.woot.com/offers/...d_cat_elec_2_2
This is like people who buy stuff from bigbox retail stores like bestbuy. I had to walk a friend who bought $50 HDMI cable from PC Richard and Sons and was told the cable was needed because she had Verizon Fios and that was the only type of HDMI cable that would work with Verizon Fios. When I went back with this friend and asked the in-store "expert" who told her this in the first place, the woman looked at me and said, "oh, you work in computers, don't you?" I just smiled and made her take the cable back and give my friend her $50 + tax back.
The phone carriers sell overpriced accessories because a lot of the people who get their phones think that if they're already in the store, the "official" products must be better. There are a LOT of people who still don't comparison shop on the internet.
What Verizon is doing in this instance is price gouging of people who don't go comparison shopping. It's sad, but I see it all the time.
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I'll just repeat what I wrote earlier. This is an atrocious price.
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Nope, you are wrong for all of the reasons I said. And you continuing to compare cheap looking generic products just means you don't understand my point. Obviously, having cheap looking generic products isn't an issue for you. Well not everyone feels the same as you. I have a nice home, a nice car and a nice phone. I want nice accessories too.
LoliSmith said:
Nope, you are wrong for all of the reasons I said. And you continuing to compare cheap looking generic products just means you don't understand my point. Obviously, having cheap looking generic products isn't an issue for you. Well not everyone feels the same as you. I have a nice home, a nice car and a nice phone. I want nice accessories too.
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LOL, yup, and everyone you know KNOWS you have all these things. LOL, the Woot deal is neither cheap nor generic. Those are from Samsung.
It's sad when people think that buying name-brand at full price is the "official" way to go. The rest of us will simply pay less and wonder why you end up in such debt. However, your nice car, your nice home, and nice phone will all make you nicely poor. I prefer to spend my money on real products that aren't sold at full price.
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However, your nice car, your nice home, and nice phone will all make you nicely poor.
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Not at all. I live within my means, I just have a lot of means. I am a very successful person.
You can buy a lot of cheap crap on Amazon, have at it. Life is short, I can afford nice things so I buy them. I still have plenty saved for retirement and I own my on home outright, no mortgage. Car is paid off too.
Regardless of how much money I have, this is a GOOD deal.
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Not at all. I live within my means, I just have a lot of means. I am a very successful person.
You can buy a lot of cheap crap on Amazon, have at it. Life is short, I can afford nice things so I buy them. I still have plenty saved for retirement and I own my on home outright, no mortgage. Car is paid off too.
Regardless of how much money I have, this is a GOOD deal.
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I'm sorry, but when you have boast about your "success" to justify spending too much on accessories does not work. Your "good deal" was a bad deal. Bundle deals are scams, much more when you buy at a retail store. No matter how much you make, if your a millionaire, middle class, or minimum wage, when it comes to money, shop smart and do your research.
Maybe it's just my phone, but the 2nd-Gen Samsung Wireless Fast Charger Stands (Last years model, not this years.. I have two different ones) do not properly charge my S8. It just constantly turns on and off every second or two. This happens no matter if the phone is positioned vertically or horizontally. Other wireless chargers that I have (non-samsung) work fine
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I'm sorry
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Yes, you are.
JGoldz75 said:
Maybe it's just my phone, but the 2nd-Gen Samsung Wireless Fast Charger Stands (Last years model, not this years.. I have two different ones) do not properly charge my S8. It just constantly turns on and off every second or two. This happens no matter if the phone is positioned vertically or horizontally. Other wireless chargers that I have (non-samsung) work fine
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I have last year's model in black and it works fine to fast charge my S8/S8+. I have this year's in silver and it too works fine to fast charge my S8/S8+. They have a 1 year warranty so I would hit up Samsung to get a replacement if it has been less than 1 year since your date of purchase.
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LOL, yup, and everyone you know KNOWS you have all these things. LOL, the Woot deal is neither cheap nor generic. Those are from Samsung.
It's sad when people think that buying name-brand at full price is the "official" way to go. The rest of us will simply pay less and wonder why you end up in such debt. However, your nice car, your nice home, and nice phone will all make you nicely poor. I prefer to spend my money on real products that aren't sold at full price.
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Amen
LoliSmith said:
Not at all. I live within my means [parents money], I just have a lot of means [rich parents]. I am a very successful person [level 16 in pokemon go].
You can buy a lot of cheap crap on Amazon, have at it. Life is short [because im 16], I can afford nice things so I [my parents boguht me my phone and the bundle too] buy them. I still have plenty saved for retirement [piggy bank] and I own my on home outright [parents basement], no mortgage [parents dont charge me]. Car is paid off too [parents drive me].
Regardless of how much money I have [in my piggy bank], this is a GOOD deal [along with my $75 monster hdmi cables].
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I edited this for ya too.
You know I am sorry, Sorry you got such a bad deal. You can see NO ONE supported you on this "Great Deal" because it was not a deal. It was Verizon selling you over priced accessories to fulfill their accessories quota. A smart consumer would of seen through their commission driven lies and said no.
Oh yeah btw... the Samsung fast charge wireless stand is on sale for $25 LOL
http://www.wirelessoemshop.com/samsung-fast-charge-wireless-charging-stand/?gclid=CJmw4bjk6tMCFYF-fgodq1EIsg
or at walmart for $29
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Samsung-Fast-Charge-Wireless-Charging-Stand-W-AFC-Wall-Charger-US-Version-With-Warranty-Black/130902005
dluxx06 said:
Amen
I edited this for ya too.
You know I am sorry, Sorry you got such a bad deal. You can see NO ONE supported you on this "Great Deal" because it was not a deal. It was Verizon selling you over priced accessories to fulfill their accessories quota. A smart consumer would of seen through their commission driven lies and said no.
Oh yeah btw... the Samsung fast charge wireless stand is on sale for $25 LOL
http://www.wirelessoemshop.com/samsung-fast-charge-wireless-charging-stand/?gclid=CJmw4bjk6tMCFYF-fgodq1EIsg
or at walmart for $29
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Samsung-Fast-Charge-Wireless-Charging-Stand-W-AFC-Wall-Charger-US-Version-With-Warranty-Black/130902005
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I just unsubscribed to the thread but was notified that you had quoted me. Honestly, if he wants to pay full price for his accessories, it's what the carriers and the manufacturers love. Consumers who don't shop around and pay retail. Makes them really happy. I'll opt to make my wallet happy and the manufacturers/carriers unhappy.
dluxx06 said:
I am sorry
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Yes you are.
sanjsrik said:
he wants to pay full price for his accessories
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Dude, GET A CLUE. The bundle is NOT full price. I know for some of you math is hard, but damn boy, this is just arithmetic.