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So over the last couple weeks I’ve been looking in to purchasing a new phone, and to be honest it has been pretty difficult deciding which new phone to get. As I’m sure everyone has, I’ve taken at the iPhone 4 and I have to admit that the apps and such that it offers are impressive. I’m not sure what it is, but there’s something about the iPhone that just doesn’t do it for me though. Instead I’ve been getting pretty excited, like others, about the upcoming HTC Desire HD and although information about the phone is moslty based on rumors I still believe that this phone will be phenominal.
The phone will supposedly run Adroid 2.2 which will allow the phone’s cpu to run up to 2-5 times faster with the OS. This massive change is just between 2.1 and 2.2 and with future Android updates I’m sure that the Adroid OS will only help the HTC Desire HD reach an even higher potential. From what I’ve seen of the original HTC Desire, this phone will be awesome, but if I need a phone soon is it really worth the wait?
Eh. Personally, I don’t think there’s anything HTC will be able to do to keep up with Apple and the iPhone line. Everything that it comes out with seems to be always a day late and a dollar short. The fact that there are barely any apps for the HTC and the fact that the iPhone has the full strength of many veteran app designers behind it means that the iPhone will always be better. My opinion, buy the iPhone4.
what does any of this have to do with the HTC HD2???
e_expert said:
So over the last couple weeks I’ve been looking in to purchasing a new phone, and to be honest it has been pretty difficult deciding which new phone to get. As I’m sure everyone has, I’ve taken at the iPhone 4 and I have to admit that the apps and such that it offers are impressive. I’m not sure what it is, but there’s something about the iPhone that just doesn’t do it for me though. Instead I’ve been getting pretty excited, like others, about the upcoming HTC Desire HD and although information about the phone is moslty based on rumors I still believe that this phone will be phenominal.
The phone will supposedly run Adroid 2.2 which will allow the phone’s cpu to run up to 2-5 times faster with the OS. This massive change is just between 2.1 and 2.2 and with future Android updates I’m sure that the Adroid OS will only help the HTC Desire HD reach an even higher potential. From what I’ve seen of the original HTC Desire, this phone will be awesome, but if I need a phone soon is it really worth the wait?
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I am like you, from what the rumours have told me about the Desire HD.. well you probably guessed from my username here I believe there is a HTC Launch Event in London on the 15th Sept so maybe we'll get some real facts on this device then.
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what does any of this have to do with the HTC HD2???
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Nothing of course, except that its HTC.. obviously this thread is probably better off being moved to the main general forum.
TodStarrr said:
Eh. Personally, I don’t think there’s anything HTC will be able to do to keep up with Apple and the iPhone line. Everything that it comes out with seems to be always a day late and a dollar short. The fact that there are barely any apps for the HTC and the fact that the iPhone has the full strength of many veteran app designers behind it means that the iPhone will always be better. My opinion, buy the iPhone4.
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I am with you the iphone is the best. It has the more gb's and the wifi's.
I'd personally rather have steve jobs decide how i get to use my phone.
the kicker Is i decided I wanted a iphone when Face time wouldnt work!
wow, noone started iphone flaming till now.. should i? ))
TodStarrr said:
Eh. Personally, I don’t think there’s anything HTC will be able to do to keep up with Apple and the iPhone line. Everything that it comes out with seems to be always a day late and a dollar short. The fact that there are barely any apps for the HTC and the fact that the iPhone has the full strength of many veteran app designers behind it means that the iPhone will always be better. My opinion, buy the iPhone4.
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Lol this did make me laugh, I know Apple invented video calls three months ago, and gimmicky apps definately make a phone.
The fact they made a phone with a 1Ghz processor and lesser specs than a HD2 eight months after it's release. And less than six months before HTC are on the cusp of releasing a dual core mobile processor with a brand new OS. But yeah, you're right, HTC will never be able to keep up.
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Lol this did make me laugh, I know Apple invented video calls three months ago, and gimmicky apps definately make a phone.
The fact they made a phone with a 1Ghz processor and lesser specs than a HD2 eight months after it's release. And less than six months before HTC are on the cusp of releasing a dual core mobile processor with a brand new OS. But yeah, you're right, HTC will never be able to keep up.
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that was EXACTLY my thought too.
but i thought i should first ask if i should start iphone bashing now or not :3 XD
D4rkSoRRoW said:
that was EXACTLY my thought too.
but i thought i should first ask if i should start iphone bashing now or not :3 XD
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I wouldn't call it iPhone bashing, it's just stating facts, with a little sarcasm tacked on for good measure!
The only plus for apple is it's stability.
On the other hand Apple keeps their mobiles low spec, so less chance for errors/problems.
The thing that affronts me the most is the fact that Steve Jobs determines wether apps can be installed or not (remember the "nude" app?), although by this testing / approving of software the phone is more stabe, the manufacturer decides what you can do with your phone, really: Big Brother (steve) is watching you.
Exactly for that reason I do not believe it is a good business phone... it is a good n00b-phone.
Agree
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The only plus for apple is it's stability.
On the other hand Apple keeps their mobiles low spec, so less chance for errors/problems.
The thing that affronts me the most is the fact that Steve Jobs determines wether apps can be installed or not (remember the "nude" app?), although by this testing / approving of software the phone is more stabe, the manufacturer decides what you can do with your phone, really: Big Brother (steve) is watching you.
Exactly for that reason I do not believe it is a good business phone... it is a good n00b-phone.
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I agree with Wilco on this one. I really do hate the fact that Steve Jobs has got his hand in everything little thing you’re able to do with the iPhone. A smart phone to me is almost like laptop nowadays, and for that reason I feel like I should be able to run anything I wish, whether it be stable for the phone or not. If it weren’t for that “affront” as Wilco says, I ‘d probably be jumping on the iPhone bandwagon with much less resistance.
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Lol this did make me laugh, I know Apple invented video calls three months ago, and gimmicky apps definately make a phone.
The fact they made a phone with a 1Ghz processor and lesser specs than a HD2 eight months after it's release. And less than six months before HTC are on the cusp of releasing a dual core mobile processor with a brand new OS. But yeah, you're right, HTC will never be able to keep up.
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Video calling that only works with WIFI and another iphone4...yeah thanks LOL.
So... It looks as though Hero development may end with Gingerbread (2.3). Honeycomb (3.0) looks very tablet orientated and some devs are already stating it may be hard to port it.
My question is, after the resilient little Hero, what would be the next best handset to move to? A lot of people have mentioned the Desire HD or the Desire Z, but I'd like to hear from you guys, what do you think?
Update: I prefer a HTC handset myself, but which would be a good one to move to for the next set of decent ROMs??
I also believe, that after getting fully operational 2.3 with 2.6.35 kernel it will be pretty much it
Contracts are ending (I have one more year to go), developers are moving to other projects.
I hope that we will have one day "[GPL][2.3][2.6.35]Final Rom for hero".
After hero? Well, perhaps some crazy samsung device (although their quality isn't as good as HTC). I'm sure I'll stick with android, one of the best choices ever made
cheers!
I'll keep my Hero until a Tegra 2 device is realeased
I'm going to hang on to my hero for as long as possible... But I'm starting to think the Nexus S might be the next decent handset to move to, no-ones started developing ROMs yet though... Although I did notice Cyanogen had created a thread in his forum for it
I think 2.3 is maximum for Hero. Honeycomb is likely their requirements opportunities Hero.
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I'm going to hang on to my hero for as long as possible... But I'm starting to think the Nexus S might be the next decent handset to move to, no-ones started developing ROMs yet though... Although I did notice Cyanogen had created a thread in his forum for it
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I take that back!!! Nexus S is a Samsung handset, and got a fairly "meh" review on The Register.
It's a personal issue; I just don't like Samsung phones!!
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I'll keep my Hero until a Tegra 2 device is realeased
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I have to admit, this looks like the root (sorry!) I'm most likely to take.
The Nexus S seems to be a decent choice
But after putting froyo on my hero for the first time and seeing how fast it became, I think I can wait for the next reference phone
Hopefully, the next one will have a full RGB AMOLED instead of the Pentile PoS on the current Nexus S
On my next phone I'm looking for:
Tegra 2 or similar, perhaps dual core hummingbird with dedicated gpu
300+ dpi RGB AMOLED screen
Proper capacitative multitouch
Hard buttons
NO FINGERPRINT MAGNET, minimal gloss&plastic, good materials
In any case, would Honeycomb be for tablets? I assumed that honeycomb won't come to phones
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I'll keep my Hero until a Tegra 2 device is realeased
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yep, same hear, dual core is the way forward.
I plan to run the hero, cancel my TMO contract and get a giffgaff PAYG sim until a decent Tegra2 (preferrably HTC!) comes to the market.
not sure if i'd go back on contract or stick with giffgaff...i'll see how they perform, then buy the handset sim free (ouch?!?)
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In any case, would Honeycomb be for tablets? I assumed that honeycomb won't come to phones
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personally, i think there will be a version of Honeycomb for phones, when the dual core handsets become more readily available. maybe a 'cut down' version.
i have Hero for like 8 months now. Pretty good phone, but still a little bit slow, only compared to other smartphones (but as a phone, it is great).
But yesterday i bought SGS.
for my girlfriend. i hate world
Sorry, what's an SGS?
Uopdate: OH! Samsung Galaxy S?
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it depends on your needs i think. if you're flashjunky like me our hero will end soon i think because the processors won't be enough soon.
and also be careful about screen, only desire (not z nor hd) has amoled screen. so for better screen sharpness, you may get desire for now. and also it gets great scores
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So... It looks as though Hero development may end with Gingerbread (2.3). Honeycomb (3.0) looks very tablet orientated and some devs are already stating it may be hard to port it.
My question is, after the resilient little Hero, what would be the next best handset to move to? A lot of people have mentioned the Desire HD or the Desire Z, but I'd like to hear from you guys, what do you think?
Update: I prefer a HTC handset myself, but which would be a good one to move to for the next set of decent ROMs??
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I have to smile. Fertile has a year left on his contrast, and knowing him he'll find plAces to take it.
hush...
When i change my Hero, i will to buy a HTC Desire.
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good point.
What would you replace your hero with ??????
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good point.
What would you replace your hero with ??????
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It's looking like a HTC Desire at the moment. I was told to avoid the Desire and go for a Desire HD or Desire Z. Not sure why though, the Desire is the only one of the three with an AMOLED display...
I've had the Hero for just over a year now, and honestly, jailbreaking it has given it a new lease of life. That said though, it's definitely not gonna get 3.0 by the looks of things, and I'd rather not get left behind in terms of software updates. I will likely get an HTC or a Samsung; both companies make good hardware that's pretty powerful. I have considered buying a Nexus S outright, but it's kinda beyond my budget right now...
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I've had the Hero for just over a year now, and honestly, jailbreaking it has given it a new lease of life. That said though, it's definitely not gonna get 3.0 by the looks of things, and I'd rather not get left behind in terms of software updates. I will likely get an HTC or a Samsung; both companies make good hardware that's pretty powerful. I have considered buying a Nexus S outright, but it's kinda beyond my budget right now...
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Completely agree with you. I bought a Hero when my iPhone went t*ts up.
But my concern was that the newer versions of Android are going to require faster hardware and there will come a point where the Hero just won't be able to cut it anymore. So what's the next best handset to go up to? At the moment a HTC Desire
Well, it's looking like either Nexus S, or Desire for me =P
Hello guys,
I am comparing the Vibrant, G2, MT4G and N1, even considering the HD2.
Is there still a good reason to consider the Vibrant? Seeing as how Samsung is really dropping the ball / support. Any other advice / support is appreciated.
Note: This will be my first Android phone, I will be coming from an iPhone 3GS.
I'd get Nexus S or even better, wait for Vibrant 4g.
Vibrant running a rom is a great phone. Stock not so much. I would probably just wait for the new 4g galaxy in a month or two and grab that.
Stock, the phone isn't very good. It's slow. It's laggy. The battery life is pretty poor. I'd rate a stock Vibrant (Eclair) 6 out of 10.
Rooted and flashed with a good ROM, it's quite good. I'd say it's 8 out of 10. There are a number of flaws... such as the GPS being wonky, the phone not having any notification LEDs and the haptic feedback being very weak compared to comparable devices.
Regardless of software issues, the hardware is good, even if the build quality is low. The S-AMOLED display is gorgeous (if a bit oversaturated). The audio quality (for media playback, not call quality) is the best I've heard on a phone.
I wouldn't buy it on contract, though. I bought my Vibrant second-hand for about $300, and I consider it a great deal, even now after all the Samsung software shenanigans.
It depends on what you are wanting (FFC, other features...)... where you live (4g?)... and how the phone feels.... do you want the stock feel (N1) or the features touch wiz brings.
Personally, the Vibrant is perfect for ME. Obviously there is going to be someone who prefers another phone on your list (good group).. I have the Nexus also.
Say what you will, but TouchWiz has a LOT of features i would miss.
I will say this, for hardware, not bricking, the BEST screen, and great developers the Vibrant wins.
The Vibrant 4G seems to be launching in Feb, but will probably be out of my price range...
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It depends on what you are wanting (FFC, other features...)... where you live (4g?)... and how the phone feels.... do you want the stock feel (N1) or the features touch wiz brings.
Personally, the Vibrant is perfect for ME. Obviously there is going to be someone who prefers another phone on your list (good group).. I have the Nexus also.
Say what you will, but TouchWiz has a LOT of features i would miss.
I will say this, for hardware, not bricking, the BEST screen, and great developers the Vibrant wins.
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I live in LA, so 4G should be available...
I'm still new to Android... TouchWiz, a quick google shows it is the Samsung's splash screen / desktop. And a "rom" seems to be a custom firmware, is this correct?
Androids seem so much more complicated than an iPhone.
Anyone know the spects on the vibrant 4g?
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Android is open source. Because of this, manufacturers can take it and "make it their own"
Touchwiz is amazing and absolutely my preferred "skin" *though I prefer stock android, ala Nexus one*
Look in my signature, read those stickies... should answer a lot of questions AND show what the Vibrant can do.
Regardless what phone you choose, I bet you end up (1) rooting it and (2) flashing a custom rom.
The Vibrant is incredibly hard to brick... will benefit from the Nexus S and Vibrant 4G (source code released) and has great developers.. plus it is just sexy. Your call.
Unless you absolutely need fast updates (Nexus S), and need a phone now, yeah, get the vibrant. Great hardware, very slick, great devs, but maybe a few trolls in the community. Great phone none the less.
Dont let the whine threads fool you this phone is fantastic.
You need to ask yourself a few questions when looking at what phone you want.
How important is a forward facing camera?
What screen size would you prefer?
How does the phone feel to you?
Whats the storage like?
The vibrant has a great cpu and gpu. a beautiful screen and 16 gig internal storage with an sdcard slot that supports a 32gb micro sd card.
Its mad light which can throw you off but you get use to it. You can probably get a great deal if 4g isnt all that important. I got mine for about 315 here in los angeles.
Ive seen them for a lot lower on cl also.
The phone might be decent but the company behind it ruins it.
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Yes, it just depends on how much you are paying for it.
With the Vibrant 4G ready to drop next month, I wouldn't pay more than $200-300 for a plain Vibrant.
I'm actually waiting till then to buy one for my wife.
Short answer: no.
Long answer: there are way better phones than the vibrant coming out soon. Samsung also blows, and for those of you telling him yes... what happened to #neveragain?
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remarquian said:
Yes, it just depends on how much you are paying for it.
With the Vibrant 4G ready to drop next month, I wouldn't pay more than $200-300 for a plain Vibrant.
I'm actually waiting till then to buy one for my wife.
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This is what I might do, since I'm willing to spend $200 for the Vibrant... Or maybe I'll go for the G2 at $350ish.
I like the G2 since it's "future proof" with 4G and has a qwerty keyboard. It also has much better name to back it and has a stronger community behind it.
I would wait. I love my Vibrant, but the GPS is still spotty and there's no guarantee you'll get one that works. Dual core phones (as well as the Vibrant 4G) are right around the corner and right now the Nexus S is a better choice. I'm guessing the Vibrant 4G will be $200 on contract when it comes out.
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No.They care so little for us(both tmo and samsung) that anything else would be an improvement.ANYTHING.
DisturbedAle said:
Hello guys,
I am comparing the Vibrant, G2, MT4G and N1, even considering the HD2.
Is there still a good reason to consider the Vibrant? Seeing as how Samsung is really dropping the ball / support. Any other advice / support is appreciated.
Note: This will be my first Android phone, I will be coming from an iPhone 3GS.
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Buying one of the phones you listed above right now would be foolish. I only say that because we are litterly on the cusp of new Dual core phones to hit the market soon.
As a Vibrant owner, I would say stay away, even from the Vibrant 4G. If you must upgrade now, I would get the Nexus S, even though it doesn't have hspa+ (4G).
It just depends, if your a hacker, get an hd2, as you can put many roms on it, Gingerbread, Froyo, Windows phone 7, but it's not as sexy as the Vibrant's display, and maybe not as fast, I think everything else is pretty ugly lol. I would get a Vibrant 4g though, if you really want a Galaxy S model.
I'm trading my Vibrant for a hd2, and $200, that's probably the only reason I'm bragging about it.
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It just depends, if your a hacker, get an hd2, as you can put many roms on it, Gingerbread, Froyo, Windows phone 7, but it's not as sexy as the Vibrant's display, and maybe not as fast, I think everything else is pretty ugly lol. I would get a Vibrant 4g though, if you really want a Galaxy S model.
I'm trading my Vibrant for a hd2, and $200, that's probably the only reason I'm bragging about it.
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last I heard the hd2 was barely able to get past the android boot, since when has android been successfuly working on the hd2?
btw hd2 comes with windows mobile 6.5, not 7.
its been able to boot it for a while now. they finally got nand though.
I live in Australia and we have UMTS 850 and 2100 so I can use the DNA, J Butterfly or International Butterfly, however I notice all of the developer support going out to the DNA and not the Butterfly. Will the same development work on both, for example kernel and ROM? The support already looks slow enough as it is, let alone none at all if I choose the wrong model! I wonder why there is no Butterfly sub section?
Is development always this slow for this phone or is it because it is a new device?
Depends on a lot of things.
Butterfly is not getting wide spread international release like most HTC phones do just yet. There is big question mark if it ever will. With their financial troubles and pulling out of many markets, they might skip widespread Butterfly launch and just go with M7 global launch.
Either way, DNA makes more sense at this point. Even if Butterfly releases widely internationally, the phone shares almost everything except modem with DNA. So any ROM that is released for Butterfly can and will be easily ported to DNA. If not the one that works for Verizon, then the one like Virtuous DNA+ which is dedicated ROM for 3G HSPA users like you and me.
So getting DNA makes more sense as it is global phone. So you have 2 development channels open. Easy ports of Butterfly ROMs and dedicated DNA development. I am sure most developers who will work on Butterfly in future will release simple port for DNA as it will increase their popularity and they will get more donations with minimal efforts.
And at the moment DNA is getting more development as you said as it released in the US as the only 1080P phone early.
Win win for DNA owners.
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Depends on a lot of things.
Butterfly is not getting wide spread international release like most HTC phones do just yet. There is big question mark if it ever will. With their financial troubles and pulling out of many markets, they might skip widespread Butterfly launch and just go with M7 global launch.
Either way, DNA makes more sense at this point. Even if Butterfly releases widely internationally, the phone shares almost everything except modem with DNA. So any ROM that is released for Butterfly can and will be easily ported to DNA. If not the one that works for Verizon, then the one like Virtuous DNA+ which is dedicated ROM for 3G HSPA users like you and me.
So getting DNA makes more sense as it is global phone. So you have 2 development channels open. Easy ports of Butterfly ROMs and dedicated DNA development. I am sure most developers who will work on Butterfly in future will release simple port for DNA as it will increase their popularity and they will get more donations with minimal efforts.
And at the moment DNA is getting more development as you said as it released in the US as the only 1080P phone early.
Win win for DNA owners.
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Thanks for that. I was at my local shops today about to purchase the Note 2, however it is too much like my last 3 phones SGS 1,2,3 and it was very uncomfortable to handle due to the nature of it's size. I was then looking at the Nexus 4 online and now the Droid DNA. I am having a hard time deciding on 1. I am blown away by all of the development for Nexus 4 and the front bezel looks sexy!. It is really sad to see little developers for DNA! - I am not used to little support, coming from a Samsung. I know for certain if the DNA threads were busier I would not hesitate to choose it over the Nexus 4.
the DNA is as wide as the S3 and taller, if you haven't compared the two yet
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the DNA is as wide as the S3 and taller, if you haven't compared the two yet
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I don't mind the size of my S3, however I wanted to try something away from Samsung now. I have been using them since Eclair. Like I said above, the only reason I am hesitant with this device now is it doesn't look to be flourishing in the development community!
I think HTC has become a little bit suspect over the last couple of years and that also worries me. I have owned a HTC Touch Diamond and a H2 (which I converted from windows to Android) and both of these phones overall weren't impressive to me at all. I just really hope if I buy a DNA/Butterfly, I won't regret it or be disappointed. Was anybody else on the fence with this device? if so what do you think now?
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I don't mind the size of my S3, however I wanted to try something away from Samsung now. I have been using them since Eclair. Like I said above, the only reason I am hesitant with this device now is it doesn't look to be flourishing in the development community!
I think HTC has become a little bit suspect over the last couple of years and that also worries me. I have owned a HTC Touch Diamond and a H2 (which I converted from windows to Android) and both of these phones overall weren't impressive to me at all. I just really hope if I buy a DNA/Butterfly, I won't regret it or be disappointed. Was anybody else on the fence with this device? if so what do you think now?
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Well that is tricky one to be honest.
I have give more than fair chance to HTC over last few years. I had Hero, Desire, HD2, Sensation, Sensation XL and One X before DNA.
The One X I ditched purely out of frustration. It received fair share of development, but even lot of developers themselves were frustrated with S-ON and Tegra 3.
The S-ON blasphemy still lives on till today and that is the biggest caveat I have against HTC and same is the case with lot of developers. They just loathe the fact that you have to go through HTC DEV to unlock bootloader and S-ON putting extra restriction on them and one more step for end users to remember and make sure they dont mess up while flashing custom kernels and rolling back to stock.
The only reason I am even giving chance to DNA is purely because of Hardware. I am not a big fan of Sense either. But it can be refreshing for a while. I went to One X after using 2 back to back Samsung TWUI phones, and for a while it was great to use something else. In long run though that beautiful piece of hardware was nothing but disappointment. But I hope DNA is different. Even if it does not get as much development as Samsung, couple of key devs can make a lot of difference.
I just wish they do come here. We already have few good ones. But their interest needs to last.
In the end you can always ebay the phone if you take care of it properly (cosmetically) and recover large portion of your investment. Specially high end little exclusive device like DNA which is not easily accessible outside US is in great demand outside US.
DNA will never get as much developer support as Nexus 4. Its not happening, neither will it match Note 2 or SGS3 or upcoming SGS 4 for that matter. What we need is just enough developer involvement to address some critical issues or add some really beneficial features to a phone with stunning hardware. This time the hardware is all there. We just need little bit of development. I for one was willing to take that risk when I jumped in. If it works out, well and good. Or it hits ebay in month or two.
Usually it will take couple of months after device launch for developer section to start buzzing on the exclusive devices like DNA.
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Well that is tricky one to be honest.
I have give more than fair chance to HTC over last few years. I had Hero, Desire, HD2, Sensation, Sensation XL and One X before DNA.
The One X I ditched purely out of frustration. It received fair share of development, but even lot of developers themselves were frustrated with S-ON and Tegra 3.
The S-ON blasphemy still lives on till today and that is the biggest caveat I have against HTC and same is the case with lot of developers. They just loathe the fact that you have to go through HTC DEV to unlock bootloader and S-ON putting extra restriction on them and one more step for end users to remember and make sure they dont mess up while flashing custom kernels and rolling back to stock.
The only reason I am even giving chance to DNA is purely because of Hardware. I am not a big fan of Sense either. But it can be refreshing for a while. I went to One X after using 2 back to back Samsung TWUI phones, and for a while it was great to use something else. In long run though that beautiful piece of hardware was nothing but disappointment. But I hope DNA is different. Even if it does not get as much development as Samsung, couple of key devs can make a lot of difference.
I just wish they do come here. We already have few good ones. But their interest needs to last.
In the end you can always ebay the phone if you take care of it properly (cosmetically) and recover large portion of your investment. Specially high end little exclusive device like DNA which is not easily accessible outside US is in great demand outside US.
DNA will never get as much developer support as Nexus 4. Its not happening, neither will it match Note 2 or SGS3 or upcoming SGS 4 for that matter. What we need is just enough developer involvement to address some critical issues or add some really beneficial features to a phone with stunning hardware. This time the hardware is all there. We just need little bit of development. I for one was willing to take that risk when I jumped in. If it works out, well and good. Or it hits ebay in month or two.
Usually it will take couple of months after device launch for developer section to start buzzing on the exclusive devices like DNA.
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You raise some very good points. If the Nexus 4 had the same screen, I would not be typing this message. Thanks for your advice! Have you received the phone yet, if so how do you like it? - I understand that Samsung will win with development at this stage and it will take some time for HTC to gain back their audience. I just really hope for the same things you do with development!
I use a DNA on Telstra, am really enjoying it. Once you strip it down and cull the bloat, it goes well. Data on NextG works fine. I got MMS going with a few tricks, too. Happy to help if you decide to take the plunge!
Justin
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You raise some very good points. If the Nexus 4 had the same screen, I would not be typing this message. Thanks for your advice! Have you received the phone yet, if so how do you like it? - I understand that Samsung will win with development at this stage and it will take some time for HTC to gain back their audience. I just really hope for the same things you do with development!
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Yes, I got phone few days ago. Been using it for a week or so now. Havent yet completely switched to it due to busy schedule so I can transfer all my data and files to this phone yet but using it daily as secondary phone for now.
I like the phone, the screen, the overall feel. Wish sense animation was little bit faster. Phone flies in apps which is to be expected thanks to the hardware, but sense feels slower than TWUI or AOSP UI. HTC has opted for that smooth transition effect which actually feels slower on such fast device. I am so used to Note 2 flying through home pages and app drawer that this will take some time getting used to. But there is very little wrong with the phone for day to day use.
I actually wish we get good stable and fast AOSP /AOKP release for this phone so I can switch to it. Simply switching launcher does not seem to give the desired effect on this phone.
But it is far from total disappointment. In fact it is good experience so far. Just want it to get little better :good:
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I use a DNA on Telstra, am really enjoying it. Once you strip it down and cull the bloat, it goes well. Data on NextG works fine. I got MMS going with a few tricks, too. Happy to help if you decide to take the plunge!
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Thanks for the response mate. I appreciate the help. Why do you need to do anything to get working MMS?
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Yes, I got phone few days ago. Been using it for a week or so now. Havent yet completely switched to it due to busy schedule so I can transfer all my data and files to this phone yet but using it daily as secondary phone for now.
I like the phone, the screen, the overall feel. Wish sense animation was little bit faster. Phone flies in apps which is to be expected thanks to the hardware, but sense feels slower than TWUI or AOSP UI. HTC has opted for that smooth transition effect which actually feels slower on such fast device. I am so used to Note 2 flying through home pages and app drawer that this will take some time getting used to. But there is very little wrong with the phone for day to day use.
I actually wish we get good stable and fast AOSP /AOKP release for this phone so I can switch to it. Simply switching launcher does not seem to give the desired effect on this phone.
But it is far from total disappointment. In fact it is good experience so far. Just want it to get little better :good:
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Oh cool you have both phones then? The Note 2 is just a little bit too big for me. How do the screens compare to you? Anything else you might add you like or dislike about the 2 devices mate?
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Yes, I got phone few days ago. Been using it for a week or so now. Havent yet completely switched to it due to busy schedule so I can transfer all my data and files to this phone yet but using it daily as secondary phone for now.
I like the phone, the screen, the overall feel. Wish sense animation was little bit faster. Phone flies in apps which is to be expected thanks to the hardware, but sense feels slower than TWUI or AOSP UI. HTC has opted for that smooth transition effect which actually feels slower on such fast device. I am so used to Note 2 flying through home pages and app drawer that this will take some time getting used to. But there is very little wrong with the phone for day to day use.
I actually wish we get good stable and fast AOSP /AOKP release for this phone so I can switch to it. Simply switching launcher does not seem to give the desired effect on this phone.
But it is far from total disappointment. In fact it is good experience so far. Just want it to get little better :good:
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If you go into the advanced development settings menu, you can raise the animation speed from 1 to .5 and it makes it more like TW animation speed. :good:
MMS doesn't work outside VZV unless you edit a few things in the build.prop (they blacklisted the 'mms' APN). To do this, you need a kernel with /system write available, so your changes stick after a reboot. You also need to use a third-party messaging app like Go SMS Pro or something.
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MMS doesn't work outside VZV unless you edit a few things in the build.prop (they blacklisted the 'mms' APN). To do this, you need a kernel with /system write available, so your changes stick after a reboot. You also need to use a third-party messaging app like Go SMS Pro or something.
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Ahh cool. I might ask you when I receive my phone. Just ordered it now. Costing me $598 delivered to Australia. It's fully unlocked and comes with an Otterbox Defender case. There weren't many deals going on and it took me a few days to even find this deal! I just sold a Nexus 4 for $550, so this is only costing me an extra $50 and it includes the case, so I'm happy. The phone has HTC USA 1 Yr Warranty. (Luckily for me my mother in-law lives in the US!
How much is the going price on the device outside of eBay? In the states for example.
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Ahh cool. I might ask you when I receive my phone. Just ordered it now. Costing me $598 delivered to Australia. It's fully unlocked and comes with an Otterbox Defender case. There weren't many deals going on and it took me a few days to even find this deal! I just sold a Nexus 4 for $550, so this is only costing me an extra $50 and it includes the case, so I'm happy. The phone has HTC USA 1 Yr Warranty. (Luckily for me my mother in-law lives in the US!
How much is the going price on the device outside of eBay? In the states for example.
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Outside ebay its $599 + tax + shipping. So a lot more than what you paid. Even I got mine was way less than this from ebay only. Got mine for like 550 delivered. But yes I too had to wait for couple of weeks for right auction and little bit of luck with auction ending late local US time in the middle of night.
Most ebay phones are people who had upgrade option available and got the phone for $199 but decided to make some money by selling the phone on ebay and keep the old phone for another contract cycle.
This is what 99% of ebay deals are for phone like this. So we do save considerable amount by buying from ebay. If you have a look at the seller ratings, you are safe and covered by ebay guarantee which heavily favours buyers. So its pretty safe bet if you take minimal precautions.
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Thanks for the response mate. I appreciate the help. Why do you need to do anything to get working MMS?
Oh cool you have both phones then? The Note 2 is just a little bit too big for me. How do the screens compare to you? Anything else you might add you like or dislike about the 2 devices mate?
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I am little bit of phone fanatic. I end up buying almost all high end phones from HTC, Samsung and sometimes some good chinese phones.
At the moment I have Xiaomi MI2, Note 2 and DNA with me. And just sold Nexus 4 few weeks ago, but you already had that so you know how it was.
Xiamoi is on par with DNA as far as performance is concerned. Its blazing fast and thats understandable as it has same chip. And no throttle issues like Nexus 4 on this phone. It just flies out of box. Mind boggling performance. It does out perform even DNA in benchmarks like Antutu as it has 720P screen and not 1080P. But you can feel the speed with this one. Total bang for buck for something I bought for less than $400 shipped. It does run out of battery quickly if you do anything processor intensive so it is mainly used as house phone.
Note 2 is a beast. Its screen is much better than SGS3. But DNA screen looks totally different. 1080P is heaven if you are viewing right content. Sadly somehow you feel sense is not making use of the real estate available. Specially those who have good vision and can live with smaller font or rather smaller icons / more grid lines as an option would have been nice. But thats fine. Nothing major. Sure someone will make a rom that will implement this down the line.
1080P and games that scale properly look super nice on this phone. But playing games with on screen controls is better experience on Note 2 thanks to bigger display. But I dont game much these days, not heavy gaming for sure. Just some 2d time pass games or sudoku, puzzle or jetpack joyride etc..
But the huge battery, and S-Pen make it much better productivity device. And I do have large hands.
I am totally in love with Note 2. I dont think that will change. It is better, more productive device at this stage of its development. But if you have problems with Note 2 size, DNA is definitely next best thing right now.
For development i say buy nexus.I had HTC desire and since then HTC changed, became a locked garden, Devs are moving away from HTC scene. However if you feel the need of some htc sense candy(i sometimes miss it) ,it is another story but i always flash an aosp rom usually so sense is kinda waste for me.Experience also taught me that software support is far superior as opposed to a slight advantage in hardware.Just my 2c though, it is your money and you decide how to us it at the end of the day
If not that why don't you Terry xperia z atm i don't really know about that line of phones but i only hear good things even from our beloved cody back at the sammy forums.
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Funkym0nkey said:
Outside ebay its $599 + tax + shipping. So a lot more than what you paid. Even I got mine was way less than this from ebay only. Got mine for like 550 delivered. But yes I too had to wait for couple of weeks for right auction and little bit of luck with auction ending late local US time in the middle of night.
Most ebay phones are people who had upgrade option available and got the phone for $199 but decided to make some money by selling the phone on ebay and keep the old phone for another contract cycle.
This is what 99% of ebay deals are for phone like this. So we do save considerable amount by buying from ebay. If you have a look at the seller ratings, you are safe and covered by ebay guarantee which heavily favours buyers. So its pretty safe bet if you take minimal precautions.
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I am little bit of phone fanatic. I end up buying almost all high end phones from HTC, Samsung and sometimes some good chinese phones.
At the moment I have Xiaomi MI2, Note 2 and DNA with me. And just sold Nexus 4 few weeks ago, but you already had that so you know how it was.
Xiamoi is on par with DNA as far as performance is concerned. Its blazing fast and thats understandable as it has same chip. And no throttle issues like Nexus 4 on this phone. It just flies out of box. Mind boggling performance. It does out perform even DNA in benchmarks like Antutu as it has 720P screen and not 1080P. But you can feel the speed with this one. Total bang for buck for something I bought for less than $400 shipped. It does run out of battery quickly if you do anything processor intensive so it is mainly used as house phone.
Note 2 is a beast. Its screen is much better than SGS3. But DNA screen looks totally different. 1080P is heaven if you are viewing right content. Sadly somehow you feel sense is not making use of the real estate available. Specially those who have good vision and can live with smaller font or rather smaller icons / more grid lines as an option would have been nice. But thats fine. Nothing major. Sure someone will make a rom that will implement this down the line.
1080P and games that scale properly look super nice on this phone. But playing games with on screen controls is better experience on Note 2 thanks to bigger display. But I dont game much these days, not heavy gaming for sure. Just some 2d time pass games or sudoku, puzzle or jetpack joyride etc..
But the huge battery, and S-Pen make it much better productivity device. And I do have large hands.
I am totally in love with Note 2. I dont think that will change. It is better, more productive device at this stage of its development. But if you have problems with Note 2 size, DNA is definitely next best thing right now.
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Awesome! I already had the SGS 1 and 2. I then followed suit and bought the SGS 3. The phone was way too similar to the SGS 1 and 2. I got bored of it extremely fast, which was a first for me in a long time. I decided to flash a Samsung based ROM with AOSP apps, which I thought was pretty good for about a day and then flashed Paranoid, CM10.1 and AOKP over the next couple of weeks. I eventually just got sick of the look and feel of the device being too familiar to me.
At this point the nexus was the 1 and only phone for me....... I first thought. After using it for a while it didn't seem like the screen was even any bigger than even my SGS 2 as it loses so much screen real estate because of the OSKeys and it certainly didn't feel like an upgrade from the SGS 3, besides the fact it was extremely polished and fast being vanilla.
However, the thermal throttling and screen size pushed me away (Not to mention I was scared about the resell value if it eventually does come back in stock). So naturally I starting looking at the Note 2 (Which mind you is fantastic, but after using my friends over a weekend, I just found it to be so much like the SGS 1,2,3 in design and feel, with that same familiar Samsung feeling. Also it was very hard for me to handle while doing my day to day tasks. I did have a final play with it at the shops and it really just felt too strange to handle.
I am now taking a gamble on the DNA but oh well, it is selling in Australia for a lot more so I know if I want to resell it I won't lose any money! The screen looks brill and the muscle car chassis is dangerously gorgeous. I have never liked HTC phone after my previous attempts but fk it. At least I can give a complete comparison to others later on
Honestly, all of this fuss just for a phone which I will most likely sell to buy an Xperia Z or another 5"1080p phone by the second half of this year with perhaps the Adreno 330 or perhaps a comeback by Tegra? Who knows what the year will bring. All I know is their is a lot of competition that has yet to arrive from Sony, Oppo, Motorola, Acer, Asus.... and so on!
P.S It was refreshing to actually see some movement in the thread!
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For development i say buy nexus.I had HTC desire and since then HTC changed, became a locked garden, Devs are moving away from HTC scene. However if you feel the need of some htc sense candy(i sometimes miss it) ,it is another story but i always flash an aosp rom usually so sense is kinda waste for me.Experience also thought me that software support is far supurior as opposed to a slight asvantage in hardware.Just my 2c though, it is your money and you decide how to us it at the end of the day
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Hey bart. Been a while mate. I don't think we have spoken since my fantastic post about the history of CheckROM and it's developers.
As for the N4, Been there already man. I loved the Nexus 4 for that pure clean experience. Above is my reasoning as to why I chose to leave it.
Oh god lol how can i forget that checkrom thread i still remember ur posts
Hehe k ,i suggest u look also at xperia z but,about tegra... i think you know how exynos is fked up in terms of supportthe grass at the tegra department is not greener
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Oh god lol how can i forget that checkrom thread i still remember ur posts
Hehe k ,i suggest u look also at xperia z but,about tegra... i think you know how exynos is fked up in terms of supportthe grass at the tegra department is not greener
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Yeah well the grass is never greener If you read my long boring post above from start to finish you would have seen me mention the Xperia Z near the end of the thesis
I am now again looking at buying the Droid DNA due to being screwed around by previous seller! I wanted to ask this: Everywhere seems to state that the Droid DNA is network unlocked. Is this true? If it is then why are people sometimes stating on eBay that only GSM will work and no DATA outside of Verizon and the US! (I live in Australia and this is obviously important)
I am seriously getting so confused because of mixed seller listings. Some people say it is factory unlocked and some people say it is locked to Verizon. What is the deal? Also if the phone has a bad ESN or they fail to make a payment later on down the track and it does become bad, does this mean it will stop working in Australia or is it solely based around US and Verizon in general?
About the seller on eBay, I have now been refunded my money for my recent transaction. The seller did not mention that the device didn't come with it's box, instructions, charger etc. He also has no intention of mentioning it because he has relisted it without even indicating it. He is just trying to get an international buyer to deal with it is my guess. It was just a handset and a case. Very misleading, I am lucky that I confirmed with him just before he was selling it. It was one of those buy it nows that need to be paid upfront.
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Hey all,
Last week I decided to give Sprint and the iPhone 5 a go.
I don't recommend either.
So I'm back with Verizon, still have unlimited data (never actually cancelled just in case!), and I'm looking for an upgrade to the Galaxy Nexus, off-contract.
I'd like to get an HTC device, all I really want is Sense, SD Card support (coming from the GalNex, I really miss that), and I mean, decent specs. I obviously don't want to drop $300-400 on a phone that won't support Android 4.3 (yes, I know no one knows the answer to that FOR SURE, but I mean... ).
I also looked at the DNA, but its off-contract prices are STILL through the roof, plus, I like that the Dinc 4G LTE has a smaller screen size, I think the 4.7" on the GalNex was too big for me and not worth the battery woes.
So without further adieu, what do you guys think?
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Hey all,
Last week I decided to give Sprint and the iPhone 5 a go.
I don't recommend either.
So I'm back with Verizon, still have unlimited data (never actually cancelled just in case!), and I'm looking for an upgrade to the Galaxy Nexus, off-contract.
I'd like to get an HTC device, all I really want is Sense, SD Card support (coming from the GalNex, I really miss that), and I mean, decent specs. I obviously don't want to drop $300-400 on a phone that won't support Android 4.3 (yes, I know no one know's the answer to that FOR SURE, but I mean... ).
I also looked at the DNA, but its off-contract prices are STILL through the roof, plus, I like that the Dinc 4G LTE has a smaller screen size, I think the 4.7" on the GalNex was too big for me and not worth the battery woes.
So without further adieu, what do you guys think?
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Got mine mint at us160 on eBay, looks like new, decent phone and great price, also about android 4.3, it will be minor update like 4.2 so I guess we will probably get it too with cyanogen
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Got mine mint at us160 on eBay, looks like new, decent phone and great price, also about android 4.3, it will be minor update like 4.2 so I guess we will probably get it too with cyanogen
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$160 used though, right? I'm trying to stick to new if prices permit.
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$160 used though, right? I'm trying to stick to new if prices permit.
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I got mine, new for $250, via XDA marketplace when it still existed. This was back in November last year, if I remember correctly. You should easily get it reasonably cheaper than that off contract. But I dunno where to find new ones of these off contract at those prices. Most online places will probably only have used or kinda used ones. But keep hunting and you should get good prices.
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I got mine, new for $250, via XDA marketplace when it still existed. This was back in November last year, if I remember correctly. You should easily get it reasonably cheaper than that off contract. But I dunno where to find new ones of these off contract at those prices. Most online places will probably only have used or kinda used ones. But keep hunting and you should get good prices.
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I see a cell phone seller on eBay that has like 50 Dinc LTEs (sold like 15) for around $250, classic "New but we opened them", seems reasonable, I paid $350 for the Galaxy Nexus new not even a year ago (October 2012).
Does it have that lanyard loop thing like the original Dinc had?
Also, how's the battery life? I had the Thunderbolt and the original Dinc, HTC never gave their phones good batteries, at least up through 2011. I'm not up to date on this...
And can anyone explain the Inductive Charging situation? Does the Dinc LTE have it, does it need a special cover?
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Does it have that lanyard loop thing like the original Dinc had?
Also, how's the battery life? I had the Thunderbolt and the original Dinc, HTC never gave their phones good batteries, at least up through 2011. I'm not up to date on this...
And can anyone explain the Inductive Charging situation? Does the Dinc LTE have it, does it need a special cover?
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I don't think it has a lanyard loop. I can't find one. I can't compare the battery life of the Dinc4G with any other 4G phone as it is my first but I think it is fair to say that I get very similar battery life as I did with my Dinc2 which was a 3G only phone. All thanks to the Snapdragon 4 which are more frugal with LTE. But then again, I am a pretty light user so don't take my word as final. On a relatively light-moderate usage (music, talk, gps for tracking my running and occasionally gps for navigation) I get a days worth of battery. I leave my phone on 4G most of the time, even if I have wifi and it doesn't kill the battery at all. It hardly uses any in downtime.
Inductive charging needs a special back cover. It adds to the thickness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDZuCyadpZs Never tried it and your mileage may vary.
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$160 used though, right? I'm trying to stick to new if prices permit.
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yes used, all in perfect shape, the seller had it on a case all the time and was used only 2 weeks so i was very lucky, however i can still find some used incredibles on ebay for the same price, i won mine on a auction
I can't believe people actually prefer Sense. I mean, I know people's opinions differ, but pure JellyBean is just so...nice...Out of curiousity, what do you prefer about Sense over stock android?
I want to get the Moto X phone coming out. The specs aren't amazing, but it's got a pretty low price point too:
http://www.popherald.com/news/20130721/motorola/google-x-phone-leaked-white-model.php
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I can't believe people actually prefer Sense. I mean, I know people's opinions differ, but pure JellyBean is just so...nice...Out of curiousity, what do you prefer about Sense over stock android?
I want to get the Moto X phone coming out. The specs aren't amazing, but it's got a pretty low price point too:
http://www.popherald.com/news/20130721/motorola/google-x-phone-leaked-white-model.php
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I was thinking about the Moto X, too, but I was thrown astray by the whole "lack of expandable storage" thing. I already have a Pure Google phone, I don't want another.
I've always had a soft spot for Sense. Ignoring the features and the useful widgets (HTC Sync for iTunes music syncing and fullscreen widgets), it just looks better than AOSP IMO... But I mean, with the Galaxy Nexus, AOSP/Vanilla has been my ONLY option, so I guess I'm a little tired of it.
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I was thinking about the Moto X, too, but I was thrown astray by the whole "lack of expandable storage" thing. I already have a Pure Google phone, I don't want another.
I've always had a soft spot for Sense. Ignoring the features and the useful widgets (HTC Sync for iTunes music syncing and fullscreen widgets), it just looks better than AOSP IMO... But I mean, with the Galaxy Nexus, AOSP/Vanilla has been my ONLY option, so I guess I'm a little tired of it.
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The grass is always greener on the other side. The key advantage of a Nexus phone is timely support, though you can kiss that goodbye on Verizon. Even the Galaxy Nexus suffered horrendous waiting times for updates to roll out. I do like the Sense aesthetic to some extent, but then it does get in the way in other areas. If I were to honestly rate Sense 4.1 to AOSP 4.x and above, I say the vanilla Android has the upper hand. Granted it may seem sparse at places but it is consistent and doesn't have certain annoying features you may find on Sense. I assure you you'll get tired of sense too... But more importantly you'll start to get frustrated by lack of support, lack of kernel source leading to buggy CMs. Luckily that is not yet a major issue and we thankfully have a very stable CM 10.1.2 on 3.0.x kernel...
Speaking of Motorola X, who cares of those cutting edge specs? I used to be naive to think more is better and keep running for the best specs. But you know what, I don't care anymore. All these tech blogs care about is bleeding edge tech despite how little a majority of us need it. And they brainwash us into wasting money upgrading phones while the current phone is more than serviceable. I don't find the Moto X to have subpar specs, and for that price off-contract, that is a freaking amazing phone. I just don't know why we can't have decent 4"/4.3" phones anymore. Remember when phones were compact and all? Are these OEMs seriously planning to push the boundaries and make phones as big as the Nexus 7 in a few years? Sheesh. I am trying my best to avoid that road, but I think there aren't any decent 4"/4.3" phones anymore
Amen. I was content with the Droid Incredible, but then LTE happened, and I got the closest thing to it with LTE, the Thunderbolt. I recall the whole kernel source problem, I wish HTC would just release the source with the RUU (do RUUs still exist?).
Anyway, I looked at the Moto X rumors... It's interesting with the made in USA and customizability, but I don't want a phone that size, I want SD card support, easy sync with iTunes on a Mac (Doubletwist or HTC Sync, but neither support a Nexus or Moto phone with MTP), and support for Beats headphones in-line buttons and mic (I'm assuming...).
I wish it was cheaper than $250 new though, especially since the Moto X is supposed to be around $199 new off-contract (allegedly...hmm that seems fishy though).