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I want to publicly thank all of you here on XDA (and some I know are on sdx as well) for your contribution to the rest of us users who lack the talent and downright genius to do what you do. Although some of us are sharp, and know a little bit, you are the 1% of us who have the ability take that idea and design and morph it into a theme or self operating system.
Thank you again. And thank you for being teachers as well! I have learned more in the past 6 months about computers and electronics and Linux than I have in my life being around them.
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+one million. the people here are so helpful. i try to be as helpful as i can, but nobody can compare to the people who spend hours on end on roms and mods.
Yes thanks to all the devs and themers!
Cant belive how much dev support we have.
I knew I picked the right phone.
EVO 3D!!
It's good to see threads like this in the morning instead of *****ing, complaining, or topics not related to the Evo 3D.
Thanks man. I take that to the heart...
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That, sir, is a great post, and duly needed around here.... What hit home for me as well, was this..
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I have learned more in the past 6 months about computers and electronics and Linux than I have in my life being around them.
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Agreed×10.
I'm pretty much in awe over how much you can learn here in such a short period of time. The raw knowledge that is available here collectively is absolutely amazing.
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Thanks cobra. I do it for the love of the game!(that's why I got rid of my donate button) When toast was a little whipper snapper and I was teaching him about thingamabobs, I remember him saying "Chef, thanks! I'm going to make a dope ass build of cm7 for the evo 3d". Off to the dev section toast! And ignore the ahole trolls!
I also want to thank the devs (whether or not most of them were under my wing at one point or another). You ALL make my phone a ton of fun. I've learned a ton of cool stuff from the devs and users here at xda.
Back to helping toast get the 3d wiring in the thingamagig.
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I rarely post but I just wanted to agree with the subject of this thread and the posts in it so far. I've learned so much about Android, adb, etc. since I got my first Evo a little over a year ago. Being able to mod and flash our phones is something I'm sure a lot of us, I know I do, take for granted at times, but is something that wouldn't be available to most without the great Devs here. So I just wanted to say Thanks for making my phones better each and every day.
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I rarely post but I just wanted to agree with the subject of this thread and the posts in it so far. I've learned so much about Android, adb, etc. since I got my first Evo a little over a year ago. Being able to mod and flash our phones is something I'm sure a lot of us, I know I do, take for granted at times, but is something that wouldn't be available to most without the great Devs here. So I just wanted to say Thanks for making my phones better each and every day.
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Well said. And ditto with learning so much since my og Evo. The nook color taught me a few tricks also.
Rootyourdroid.net. My nephews blog.
Your post is excellent. Behind the scenes of any mod, rom and theme is began with a idea to make it different and or better. And the developers are volunteers that help all of us out. They contribute knowledge that when applied let's us get s-off, root, better roms, better performing devices. Countless of hours go to any one single item they put out..and in some instances...many man years, all mostly for free. Time spent away from friends, family job, and other obligation in lives. Some are good, some are bad but all deserve a big THANK YOU.
Good post. It brightens up the forums a little bit.
good post man.. it is important that we continue to show love to the community, this place has turned into such crapfest recently.. and its good to see people posting positive material; devs, chefs and themers need to know that we appreciate their work so that they will continue to press on.. its hard to find the passion to make something when everywhere you turn is some douchebag talking crap about what he doesnt even know..
and many thanks to all of the people who have helped me in my time here, to help me accomplish the things that i can do today.. i wouldnt have thought i would be able to do half of the things that i can do now.. back in my heroC days learning about kernels from decad3nce and s0be, rom building from aosp, and themeing from thoughtlesskyle.. and many many others.. thanks a ton, and heres to a better community.. *cheers*
I have been around since the beginning of android. I Had a G1, then a Nexus One, to a MT4G, and now a Rezound. I rooted every one (minus the rezound obviously) and frequented the forums, learning and discussing the Mod'ing of these devices. As these past years have gone by, I have grown more and more concerned with the direction the community has taken.
Now there has always been at least some drama within the community, but as Android has grown in popularity, and more users seek info in the forums, the drama has ramped up exponentially it seems.
I remember when it was more about info than ego...
My request: Can we please get back to what its really about? Mod'ing, Flashing, and fun. Lets leave our egos at the door, they only do more harm than good. A sense of community and mutual respect is what we should strive for.
No personal insults/attacks be respectful even in disagreements
Don't steal code... give credit where due
Don't be a troll
Don't flame someone just for ignorance (if they seem to be habitual in forum misuse tell a mod so they can investigate and they can handle it appropriately)
Expect nothing, make no demands, ask politely... this goes for all sides
Remember this is a hobby and just for fun for most of us. Replace the fun with drama and what is the point.
I am sure there are other things I could list, but that will do for now.
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Just so you guys know... Nobody is owed anything. No Dev owes you ROMs, root, or anything else. Vice versa, no user owes a Dev anything for their work. (paid market apps excluded) The rooting community is a hobby based entity. We work on respect and a mutual love of the platform. Donations are voluntary but a good idea. (It makes Devs feel appreciated)
Another thing... Drama... It kills the community. It runs off users and Devs alike. It creates a hostile environment that no one wants to deal with. When a device looses Devs it can be a death nail to the further development for that device.
When you think "just my one little question on ETAs won't be a big deal, I'll PM/IRC/tweet/IM the dev" you have to remember... about 100 other people are thinking the exact same thing. Its one thing to pop in the ROM's thread and if you don't see any activity for several days/a week, to post a quick question like "how is it going?", as dealing one one question and being able to answer publicly so others benefit too is not a big deal... Just don't get upset if the answer is a simple "we are still working on it" Often times there is a lot of effort put in but no real progress to report, no landmark goals yet made.
When you take the ETA/update questions into areas like IM that you start getting several people an hour pestering someone with the same question and it gets old...
^^^^^that's what it should about. But u got so many newbies here (and we all started somewhere of course) it seems as of the trolling and such come from New people not understanding the aspect of the site. But I k.ow I'm wasting my time typi.g his. Hope it happens.
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When I first started coming here, it was all about the phones. Helpful people, friendly community, the works. After a while it just seemed to deteriorate. Every other thread was a flame war. It got to a point where i'd rather rack my brain or scour Google before I'd ask a question in here, because I knew some ego tripping person with no manners was gonna try to flame me for asking a simple question. A little respect/courtesy can go a long way, whether if ur helping someone or being helped.
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Thank you for this post. +1000000000
I would like to see a rule enforced regarding swearing and overly aggressive, or hateful language.
I understand that phones can be frustrating, and so can users. But, if you can't post in a helpful and friendly way, you probably shouldn't post at all.
Temporary (and the threat of permanent) banning should be used to keep those in line who do not have the self control to handle posting in a respectful manner.
I wouldn't worry too much. With the Galaxy Nexus going on sale today, most of the babies crying that they can't unlock/root their Rezound are most likely in line right now to exchange their Rezound for the Galaxy Nexus. That should weed out many of those who do nothing but complain here in the Rezound threads.
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I wouldn't worry too much. With the Galaxy Nexus going on sale today, most of the babies crying that they can't unlock/root their Rezound are most likely in line right now to exchange their Rezound for the Galaxy Nexus. That should weed out many of those who do nothing but complain here in the Rezound threads.
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This should be in the general forum, not a phone specific Forum.
That aside, I agree. This is a forum where the work people do is totally by choice, because they like it as a hobby or for whatever other reasons they may have. It's all about respect and patience, something a lot of people need to remember and practice themselves.
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And by this forum, I mean xda in general.
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I agree, that this is what it should be about again!!! ^^^
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This should be in the general forum, not a phone specific Forum.
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Not trying to start anything or flame anyone, but isn't it the Mod's job to determine whether a thread is posted in the wrong area and move it accordingly? It just seems that if you come behind someone who took the time to start a thread and tell them that its in the wrong place, you come off like a smart Alec and thus animosity begins. Not saying that u are, just saying some ppl get off on that and only that. Once again, not trying to start anything, just my two pennies.
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Long live the rezound and the people who help others truly understand this great phone.
I'm living on a yellow submarine
It is their job, I was just saying what I think but I realized that I didn't put the phrase "I think " in that first comment. It was and still is a suggestion before some people flame him cause it is in this forum. Also, if he wants to get that message out, its towards the whole community, not just people in the Rezound forums, know what I mean. Didn't mean to sound like a smart Alec ='(.
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It is their job, I was just saying what I think but I realized that I didn't put the phrase "I think " in that first comment. It was and still is a suggestion before some people flame him cause it is in this forum. Also, if he wants to get that message out, its towards the whole community, not just people in the Rezound forums, know what I mean. Didn't mean to sound like a smart Alec ='(.
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Yeah I agree. The flamers r in the building!! Lol its cool I think it is a message that needs to be spread forum wide tho. Another thread got shut down due to the things that are addressed in this thread.
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Yeah, I considered putting this in the over all general forum, but I am seeing so much craziness here in the Rezound forums that I thought it was needed here the most. I might throw it up in the Android general section if you guys think I should.
I love this phone, but I am getting impatient for root.
It is mostly the battery life issue. I hate extra batteries with a passion and hate needing to charge during the day as well. I am a light user, I just game a few minutes during breaks, send a few messages through the day and a few random things here and there. I really only have a smartphone for the convenience that it brings and the fact I like the Android OS and followed it since early 2007. With my MT4G even on a heavy use day (for me) I would have 40% left when I went to bed and charged, usually it was around 60%. With the larger screen and dual cores, I don't expect the same, but I know it will be better with cyanogenMOD on it. I can get through the day, but just barely, and that is on my lightest days.
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Yeah, I considered putting this in the over all general forum, but I am seeing so much craziness here in the Rezound forums that I thought it was needed here the most. I might throw it up in the Android general section if you guys think I should.
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^Agreed. How Many Members That Are Here(Rezound Forum) Actually Look At The Main xda General Section.
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^Agreed. How Many Members That Are Here(Rezound Forum) Actually Look At The Main xda General Section.
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I very rarely head over there.
I agree 100% with the OP. If people talked to each other like they would if they were sitting next to that person, half of the stuff wouldn't be said. When I drove a truck over the road, we used to call them people "CB Rambos".
Ah the courage that comes with anonymity. Isn't it grand...
#ff
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Ah the courage that comes with anonymity. Isn't it grand...
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Hmm...?? Who Are You Referring About? I Didn't Think I Said Anything Wrong Just Noting About Not Many People In "Here" Read The xda-General. If I Said Something Wrong I Do Apologize There Was No Condescending Intention.
I see a lot of people wondering what happened to the AOKP thread, and the dev, jermaine151.
MOD EDIT: Speaking to that which you do not know and violating XDA rules.
This always happens. On every forum.
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This always happens. On every forum.
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True that....it's just a shame that a lot of people will miss out on AOKP for the Prime because of a disagreement between 2 people.
I liked to think of XDA as a one stop shop for all my modding and customization needs, as do others, but now we are missing a BIG chunk of development for the Prime.
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This always happens. On every forum.
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It mainly just happens on XDA. Rootzwiki is a way better haven for Developers and much more drama free. It's where I hang out the most. Personally, I'm glad to see Jermaine on Rootzwiki. I was mainly only coming here for Motley and Jermaine. One less reason to come here now.
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crap .. i hope he keeps developing for the prime ... best rom for the prime ..
we need more roms!
asus unlock this device else we are screwed! we need more devs
I dont think its right that one moderator should take whatever personally and have a person banned or encourage them to leave when the person serves US not the moderator.
This really sucks... I think that particular rom would have been a game changer.
This as others say happens to often, and it seems that the moderators let their personal feelings get in their way of their 'job'.
Well, this sucks ASS...
Sadly this is happening more and more often, and most of the AOKP devs from other devices have already left XDA some time ago, and post here at a bare minimum especially since overall the experience with the mods is better and generally speaking there are less inexperienced users over at rootz not to say there arent some but the general populace has more of an idea of what they are doing when you compare to xda.
Sad to see XDA drive another great dev away.
Thanks for headsup. I was just wondering what is going on with jermaine151's threads. I found him on rootzwiki.
that other site is cool but prime section is really a ghost town over there. In their developement AOKP is literally the only rom there i saw. well add in the cornerstone version also. it is sad a disagreement lead to all of this. i hope he comes back as he will have more people to test out and view his roms over here.
at least he didn't stop the developement though. its just moved to a new place. I think ego's and pride got in the way and lead to the clash of the titans. I still plan on trying out this rom once i finally unlock. it was the most feature packed one i saw and really was on the rise. I'd say just let it blow over for a while for both parties to cool off and hopefully they work things out. Both are great developers. Prime needs all the developers it can get. Choice is always good so the more roms, the better.
not related to that situation, but people just need to chill out and be more thankful/grateful to developers, themers , and people trying to help others in general. i remember seeing our main themer almost quitting due to some members nagging and ungratefulness. I've seen some people in new EOS nightly rom act snobbish and expect stuff when they want. People have to remember all these developers and themers or whoever spends their free time over here. they don't really get paid for doing what they do and making roms and such for us users to use. Nothing is owed to us by them. They make this roms and such out of hobby interests and passion for doing what they do. So the end user should always be more encouraging to these type of people. Instead of making demands or complaining about their work. I could see why some would want to leave here because alot of members either act snobbish, or act like developement is owed to them, or just plain ungrateful.
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that other site is cool but prime section is really a ghost town over there. In their developement AOKP is literally the only rom there i saw. well add in the cornerstone version also. it is sad a disagreement lead to all of this. i hope he comes back as he will have more people to test out and view his roms over here.
at least he didn't stop the developement though. its just moved to a new place. I think ego's and pride got in the way and lead to the clash of the titans. I still plan on trying out this rom once i finally unlock. it was the most feature packed one i saw and really was on the rise. I'd say just let it blow over for a while for both parties to cool off and hopefully they work things out. Both are great developers. Prime needs all the developers it can get. Choice is always good so the more roms, the better.
not related to that situation, but people just need to chill out and be more thankful/grateful to developers, themers , and people trying to help others in general. i remember seeing our main themer almost quitting due to some members nagging and ungratefulness. I've seen some people in new EOS nightly rom act snobbish and expect stuff when they want. People have to remember all these developers and themers or whoever spends their free time over here. they don't really get paid for doing what they do and making roms and such for us users to use. Nothing is owed to us by them. They make this roms and such out of hobby interests and passion for doing what they do. So the end user should always be more encouraging to these type of people. Instead of making demands or complaining about their work. I could see why some would want to leave here because alot of members either act snobbish, or act like developement is owed to them, or just plain ungrateful.
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Personally, I see rootzwiki gaining more and more credibility and popularity as time goes on. Look at the GNex forum in particular. Huge. As has been mentioned, overall, Rootz attracts the way more experienced and tech savvy end user. There's virtually none of the community drama found here at XDA. Its simply not tolerated and more importantly not expected which is why more and more of the Android community of developers and end users go there.
I bet with AOKP for the Prime at Rootzwiki now, we'll begin to see development explode. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see other developers transition there as well as new developers.
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Looks like the thread's back.... up and running!
Yeah I saw it just now too, yay!!!!
I understand your desire to support jermaine. However without a full understanding of what the situation was you create angst and whatnot. This is not the way to handle it.
Nor is violating one of the XDA rules in the process:
Encouraging members to participate in forum activities on other phone related sites is prohibited.
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I was off to a great start on XDA, helped a lot of people, made a mod or two and gathered a decent number of thanks.
Lately though, I've been frustrated and it's showing in my posts.
I'm frustrated because after probably more than 150$ in donations to different people, it seems that developers left one right after the other and that money I gave to encourage development is now used to develop for another phone.
I understand there's no obligation for developers to stick to a phone for ever, everyone wants to play with the new hardware and being a hardware junkie myself, I really can't blame anyone for that.
I gave to Scott because I ran his ROM for quite awhile and it was really stable. Probably because it is stock with the fat trimmed but that met my needs. Later on I hear about all this talk going on about how he's not a real developer and he left.
Then I gave money to bored at least twice, once for his S4 Rom, and once again to help him get a new laptop. Shortly after he vanished for personal reasons. It's probably something big, probably not his fault, bad things happen and sometimes our priorities changes but it seemed that once again I encouraged someone who had to go away.
Lastly, I donated twice to Joel for his S4 ROM and to encourage him to continue developing and we now know what is happening. He doesn't seem to have the time and with the Roms coming out for the GNex and the One X, if I was a developer, I would be all over the new hardware as well.
So those events made me frustrated and I think I managed to p!ss off quite a few people so I'm sorry for that. I tarnished my own reputation because instead of accepting all that, I wanted something for my donations and I got nothing.
I decided to change the way I see things and consider my donations as a contribution to work that was done in the past. I used CleanRom so I donated for that, I used S4 a lot and Bored helped me port his blue theme so that it works with 3.6 Roms, and I donated for that. I didn't really run Joel's ROM a lot because the lack of bluetooth and screen rotation lag was too much for me but still, he put some good stuff together and it was good while it lasted.
So once again, I apologize for anyone I offended or rubbed the wrong way. Donating only to see people vanish got the best of me and I'm paying for it now because of my latest posts.
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I was off to a great start on XDA, helped a lot of people, made a mod or two and gathered a decent number of thanks.
Lately though, I've been frustrated and it's showing in my posts.
I'm frustrated because after probably more than 150$ in donations to different people, it seems that developers left one right after the other and that money I gave to encourage development is now used to develop for another phone.
I understand there's no obligation for developers to stick to a phone for ever, everyone wants to play with the new hardware and being a hardware junkie myself, I really can't blame anyone for that.
I gave to Scott because I ran his ROM for quite awhile and it was really stable. Probably because it is stock with the fat trimmed but that met my needs. Later on I hear about all this talk going on about how he's not a real developer and he left.
Then I gave money to bored at least twice, once for his S4 Rom, and once again to help him get a new laptop. Shortly after he vanished for personal reasons. It's probably something big, probably not his fault, bad things happen and sometimes our priorities changes but it seemed that once again I encouraged someone who had to go away.
Lastly, I donated twice to Joel for his S4 ROM and to encourage him to continue developing and we now know what is happening. He doesn't seem to have the time and with the Roms coming out for the GNex and the One X, if I was a developer, I would be all over the new hardware as well.
So those events made me frustrated and I think I managed to p!ss off quite a few people so I'm sorry for that. I tarnished my own reputation because instead of accepting all that, I wanted something for my donations and I got nothing.
I decided to change the way I see things and consider my donations as a contribution to work that was done in the past. I used CleanRom so I donated for that, I used S4 a lot and Bored helped me port his blue theme so that it works with 3.6 Roms, and I donated for that. I didn't really run Joel's ROM a lot because the lack of bluetooth and screen rotation lag was too much for me but still, he put some good stuff together and it was good while it lasted.
So once again, I apologize for anyone I offended or rubbed the wrong way. Donating only to see people vanish got the best of me and I'm paying for it now because of my latest posts.
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no hard feelings bro. id feel pretty pissed too if i donated money and it didnt lead to anything. this community, is broken right now. we have about three devs for cdma and 1 gsm left. i want to stay but it seems i cant! im pretty sure im leaving to get a GSM gnex and go to tmobile. its just better for me right now. believe me, THIS IS THE INTERNET!!!! if anyone gets offended, they are p*ssies
I started to think of the fact that the money I donated would have bought me almost a third of a One X at full retail price but developers do release ROMs before getting donations so I'm trying to see it as contribution done in the past, not in the future.
hey man, i'm just as upset as you with the developers leaving. our community really has been shot to hell, and i don't really see it recovering very well, and that sucks. we started off as a small, close, tight-knit community from like weeks before launch date. many of us were familiar faces from the Inc forum, so we were enjoying ourselves. once we got bigger, i guess everything began to get on peoples' nerves: lack of AOSP, RIL, kernel source, ICS not being released, etc etc.
now, we have less than a handful of developers left, as they've all left for the nexus.
hang in there, the source/ update drought cant last forever. If you can make it through the wait, it's inevitable that the combination of the hardware + the price of this phone will bring talent. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of those folks you mention above make their way back here again. Being stuck on 2 year old software isn't really exciting for many devs, but it's where we're at for the time being.
Nice to see that you have a new outlook dude
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I like where this thread is going and I agree with the sentiments behind it, hopefully no one will come in here and turn this into a troll-fest.
Personally, I think this is a natural (though unpleasant) thing that's going on. In the forums for my last device, this exact same thing happened - as frustration grew over manufacturer/carrier delays for the next big/promised release and source code, things got bad in the community. It got ugly. Then the release finally came and source finally came and some really good things happened, including CM9. I haven't been back there in a long time so I have no idea what it's like now, but that's the way I left it. I'm hoping once we have source that good things will happen. I believe we'll see some new faces and maybe some old ones.
The one thing that complicates matters in the Rezound forums is the issue of donations (in my opinion). In my old device's forums, a lot of the devs (maybe most) refused to take donations, or at least discouraged donations, and actually it seemed the most talented devs were the ones most likely to discourage/least likely to accept donations. Here, a lot of the devs (most? all?) accept and even encourage donations, in some cases outright asking for them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I've donated to at least 3 Rezound devs myself, but there are risks that come along with accepting/encouraging donations. The people who donate then expect certain things, expectations are higher, and if you don't deliver or if you leave before delivering, you have to expect some people are going to take it hard. I'm not saying I agree with that, it's just human nature. There is a fine line between donating to encourage someone and outright paying them for an expected outcome.
I don't think I ever posted anything negative towards any dev, and I've never taken sides in the current "war" that's going on. I must admit there is one thing I really don't get in all this, one thing I really would like to post and ask about because I'm honestly confused by it, but I know 100% it would turn into a troll feeding frenzy, so I'm just going to keep it to myself and hope for better days ahead.
Personally I love this phone (aside from battery life) and think it's still better than a lot of devices coming out now. I'd love to get more into the dev game myself if I could just. find. the. frickin. time...
That was long-winded, I apologize...
I thank you all make good points and I feel the same way also and I'm so tired of all the childish stuff that just keeps going on iv been with most these dev's sense(pun intened) the inc and they all are very talented but really don't blame them for leaving whether it be personal or not.on that note thank you to all the modders themers and devs and anyone that's a helper and not a troll
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I don't blame people for wanting to go develop for a newer hardware platform, I would do the same and if I could afford it right now, I would buy a GNEX and let Google feed be with updates.
We still love you.
The development section hasn't had anything good in at least a month.
I don't see the rage about the new S3, or Nexus (plus thought nexus was blocked for US sales??). I'm really enjoying the Resound and am having Zero issues at the moment with it. It would be nice to get some of the new updates rolling quicker with the phone, but the amount of work developers have put into the current roms is amazing. They are all very talented people, and there's no possible way to thank them enough for all they've done. I just do really hope some end up trailing back in our direction and bring/breathe more life into this phone..... Particularly Jellybean.
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hey man, i'm just as upset as you with the developers leaving. our community really has been shot to hell, and i don't really see it recovering very well, and that sucks. we started off as a small, close, tight-knit community from like weeks before launch date. many of us were familiar faces from the Inc forum, so we were enjoying ourselves. once we got bigger, i guess everything began to get on peoples' nerves: lack of AOSP, RIL, kernel source, ICS not being released, etc etc.
now, we have less than a handful of developers left, as they've all left for the nexus.
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.....but this is exactly what I'm saying, its all marketing. By people playing ball and RUNNING to the newest phone that has better software when we dont get source fast enough all were doing is saying "hey, you can manipulate the market easily, just take too long to update software and we'll just buy the next phone you tell us to buy". We just need to be patient and wait for source, this is a GREAT phone! Just. Be. Patient.
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.....but this is exactly what I'm saying, its all marketing. By people playing ball and RUNNING to the newest phone that has better software when we dont get source fast enough all were doing is saying "hey, you can manipulate the market easily, just take too long to update software and we'll just buy the next phone you tell us to buy". We just need to be patient and wait for source, this is a GREAT phone! Just. Be. Patient.
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Let's see VZW/HTC stated this phone officially would have ICS Q1, it is now Q3 and they have yet to deliver. This phone has already passed it's shelf life so I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't see the official ICS/source for another month, or two, or three. It sucks but you just gotta face it, this phone is dead. Great phone with a lot of potential, troll community destroys any hope of AOSP or the improvement of current roms.
The thing is, manufacturers have zero motivation to update the software on their phones because they make no money off of that and have to spend money on development.
If not coming up for an update for the Rezound and putting the latest on the One X, they ensure that anyone who wants the latest android will spend money on a new phone.
Yeah we're rooted and we do have the latest, but despite that, I think we all share that itch to get the newer phone with the slightly better CPU and a little bit more RAM.
It's a fact that faster hardware doesn't always make for a faster phone, the quality of the software running on it makes a huge difference as well. I see the same thing on my rezound, sense launcher has never been smoother while 3rd party launchers like Nova, Apex, Go, have never been slower. Open the app drawer, everything is smooth but flip through screens on the desktop and you get that low framerate feel.
I wouldn't consider the GNEX too old to buy but I'll be enjoying my Rezound until the next phone from Google.
Nic2112 said:
The thing is, manufacturers have zero motivation to update the software on their phones because they make no money off of that and have to spend money on development.
If not coming up for an update for the Rezound and putting the latest on the One X, they ensure that anyone who wants the latest android will spend money on a new phone.
Yeah we're rooted and we do have the latest, but despite that, I think we all share that itch to get the newer phone with the slightly better CPU and a little bit more RAM.
It's a fact that faster hardware doesn't always make for a faster phone, the quality of the software running on it makes a huge difference as well. I see the same thing on my rezound, sense launcher has never been smoother while 3rd party launchers like Nova, Apex, Go, have never been slower. Open the app drawer, everything is smooth but flip through screens on the desktop and you get that low framerate feel.
I wouldn't consider the GNEX too old to buy but I'll be enjoying my Rezound until the next phone from Google.
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This.
Completely.
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I like where this thread is going and I agree with the sentiments behind it, hopefully no one will come in here and turn this into a troll-fest.
Personally, I think this is a natural (though unpleasant) thing that's going on. In the forums for my last device, this exact same thing happened - as frustration grew over manufacturer/carrier delays for the next big/promised release and source code, things got bad in the community. It got ugly. Then the release finally came and source finally came and some really good things happened, including CM9. I haven't been back there in a long time so I have no idea what it's like now, but that's the way I left it. I'm hoping once we have source that good things will happen. I believe we'll see some new faces and maybe some old ones.
The one thing that complicates matters in the Rezound forums is the issue of donations (in my opinion). In my old device's forums, a lot of the devs (maybe most) refused to take donations, or at least discouraged donations, and actually it seemed the most talented devs were the ones most likely to discourage/least likely to accept donations. Here, a lot of the devs (most? all?) accept and even encourage donations, in some cases outright asking for them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I've donated to at least 3 Rezound devs myself, but there are risks that come along with accepting/encouraging donations. The people who donate then expect certain things, expectations are higher, and if you don't deliver or if you leave before delivering, you have to expect some people are going to take it hard. I'm not saying I agree with that, it's just human nature. There is a fine line between donating to encourage someone and outright paying them for an expected outcome.
I don't think I ever posted anything negative towards any dev, and I've never taken sides in the current "war" that's going on. I must admit there is one thing I really don't get in all this, one thing I really would like to post and ask about because I'm honestly confused by it, but I know 100% it would turn into a troll feeding frenzy, so I'm just going to keep it to myself and hope for better days ahead.
Personally I love this phone (aside from battery life) and think it's still better than a lot of devices coming out now. I'd love to get more into the dev game myself if I could just. find. the. frickin. time...
That was long-winded, I apologize...
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Maybe some people need to change their expectations.
I don't donate for future work. Since it's entirely possible that the dev has run into a creative or technical wall, I think it's an unrealistic expectation. But that's just me.
I donate because I appreciate the work the dev has already done. If he takes the donation as an "attaboy" as inspiration for bigger and better things, I consider that a bonus.
Nilsp's ROMs are just about the only ones I've used since I got my Rezound. I appreciate the consistent quality, that he'll answer a question almost anytime of the day or night without snark, and that his ROMs are in a constant state of improvement. I've bought him at least one beer if not two, and if he can get Sense 4 to run properly, I'll buy him a case.
BTW...Nilsp had to be coaxed into accepting donations. Like many of the devs, his satisfaction seems to come in beating the challenges and the simple thanks the users of his product give him. The rest...beer money.
I think another problem with this community is the sense that Verizon has practically orphaned this phone right out of the gate. It was supposed to be a top of the line phone...by technical standards, it's still one of their best phones eight months out of the gate, which is saying something...but they never promoted it, and the dragging of their feet with the ICS update is simply maddening, given that they implied it would be one of the first to get it.
I like this phone. I'm pretty much stuck with it for another year anyway, but I can't see the advantage to jumping at quad cores, especially since few apps can truly take advantage of the extra cores anyhow.
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I don't donate for future work. Since it's entirely possible that the dev has run into a creative or technical wall, I think it's an unrealistic expectation. But that's just me.
I donate because I appreciate the work the dev has already done. If he takes the donation as an "attaboy" as inspiration for bigger and better things, I consider that a bonus.
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I agree with you, but not completely. You see, I've noticed two ways of inviting for donations.
1. "If you like my work, please consider donating". That I agree with you, a donation is for past work and no expectations should be assumed on either side. You like the current rom and you want to donate, send a few bucks and enjoy the phone. No one ever said there would be a next version.
2. "Let's get 'x' a phone so that he can develop for the Rezound". This is far different than the first one. This, in simple terms, means "If you buy me a phone, I will release something". Maybe just one Rom supported for a little bit, maybe more, but this DOES imply that if the developer gets his/her new phone, that this person will develop something. This is money for future development.
Going with the second method is risky because it does set an expectation to get something back for getting that person a phone. Those expectations are likely to be different between the developer and people who donated. I am convinced that this is why there is so much friction and frustrated people in the Rezound forums. Different people have different expectations and some people are bound to feel like they deserve more.
I learned my lesson though. Next time someone needs the community to help them get a device, I'll politely pass because this concept of donating for future work is at high risk to cause frustrations.
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I agree with you, but not completely. You see, I've noticed two ways of inviting for donations.
1. "If you like my work, please consider donating". That I agree with you, a donation is for past work and no expectations should be assumed on either side. You like the current rom and you want to donate, send a few bucks and enjoy the phone. No one ever said there would be a next version.
2. "Let's get 'x' a phone so that he can develop for the Rezound". This is far different than the first one. This, in simple terms, means "If you buy me a phone, I will release something". Maybe just one Rom supported for a little bit, maybe more, but this DOES imply that if the developer gets his/her new phone, that this person will develop something. This is money for future development.
Going with the second method is risky because it does set an expectation to get something back for getting that person a phone. Those expectations are likely to be different between the developer and people who donated. I am convinced that this is why there is so much friction and frustrated people in the Rezound forums. Different people have different expectations and some people are bound to feel like they deserve more.
I learned my lesson though. Next time someone needs the community to help them get a device, I'll politely pass because this concept of donating for future work is at high risk to cause frustrations.
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Nobody bought me a phone. I'm not buying someone else one.
I prefer developers who plan to use their phone and their ROMs as daily drivers...because that's how I use my phone. If I'm helping a dev buy a phone, he's only in it for the challenge. Once he thinks he's met that challenge, he's off looking for a new one...while I've still got a year or more to go on my contract. And all of that presumes we're talking about an ethical developer...one that's not using his buddy's phone to do the work and pocketing the donations. ---NOTE---that is not an accusation pointed at anyone, just a hypothetical.
I'm not the government. I don't pay for future development....because more times than not, it doesn't work out to be much of a bargain for the taxpayer.
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We still love you.
The development section hasn't had anything good in at least a month.
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Huh?
Nils has been releasing GREAT stuff. Why do folks ignore this super-talented dev?
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Huh?
Nils has been releasing GREAT stuff. Why do folks ignore this super-talented dev?
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yeah, nils is the man. made some badass roms on the Inc, and continues to do so on the rezound.
So, let's be honest. I'm not exactly the most popular person on this specific forum.
A lot of you know me for my rather-- well, let's put it kindly, firm opinions when it comes to Apple being discussed here.
That being said, an apology to quite a few of you is in order. Let's face it, all niceties aside, I've made quite a few posts that make me sound like an almighty dickhead, and I admit it, I went overboard. What started out as me being quite protective of the developers on XDA who gives us all we flash kind of gave me a bit of an ego, and I've been quite rude to people who don't really deserve it.
The truth is simple; I love Android. The only reason I'm on this forum is because I love Android. While I may disagree with other users' opinions on Apple, I really should be going about expressing those opinions in a much more constructive way, because reading through my own posts, I can see where I've used phrases or figures of speech that the situation really didn't call for. I've used profanity in many posts even though XDA very much does not allow it.
I've had a specific way of posting for quite some time, and I'd like to change that. I mean, we're all here because of a common interest, right? I'd like to enjoy the company of people who have found happiness in the same things I have. It's really not in my place to tell any of you what to think or what opinions you have, and for that, I am truly sorry for attacking any of you.
I'd like to make this clear; no moderators or staff members asked me to make this post. This isn't the result of two infractions which I've received (which I admit, I deserved). This apology is because I want to remain a part of this community and the way I treat some of you is just not acceptable. In my line of work (in real life), if I talked to any one in the same way which I've talked to some of you, I would be instantly fired.
So here's my resolution. I'd like to make a promise to approach situations with a far, far more respectful and professional manner. I'd like to live up to my Recognized Developer name (as well as put out a few things which I've slowly been working on). Right now, I don't feel deserving of my title, and I want to change how I act to reflect that fact I'd like to keep it.
So in the future, you can expect me to mellow down quite a bit. You can expect me to remain as polite as possible, and to make my posts as informative and as useful as they can possibly be. You can expect me to not be condescending, and you can expect all these things because you shouldn't expect anything less than that from me.
In short; I've been a jackass. Solution: stop being a jackass. :good:
Thanks for reading this.
Sounds like a good solution to me! lol, welcome back from the world of the insane.
LiquidSolstice said:
So, let's be honest. I'm not exactly the most popular person on this specific forum.
A lot of you know me for my rather-- well, let's put it kindly, firm opinions when it comes to Apple being discussed here.
That being said, an apology to quite a few of you is in order. Let's face it, all niceties aside, I've made quite a few posts that make me sound like an almighty dickhead, and I admit it, I went overboard. What started out as me being quite protective of the developers on XDA who gives us all we flash kind of gave me a bit of an ego, and I've been quite rude to people who don't really deserve it.
The truth is simple; I love Android. The only reason I'm on this forum is because I love Android. While I may disagree with other users' opinions on Apple, I really should be going about expressing those opinions in a much more constructive way, because reading through my own posts, I can see where I've used phrases or figures of speech that the situation really didn't call for. I've used profanity in many posts even though XDA very much does not allow it.
I've had a specific way of posting for quite some time, and I'd like to change that. I mean, we're all here because of a common interest, right? I'd like to enjoy the company of people who have found happiness in the same things I have. It's really not in my place to tell any of you what to think or what opinions you have, and for that, I am truly sorry for attacking any of you.
I'd like to make this clear; no moderators or staff members asked me to make this post. This isn't the result of two infractions which I've received (which I admit, I deserved). This apology is because I want to remain a part of this community and the way I treat some of you is just not acceptable. In my line of work (in real life), if I talked to any one in the same way which I've talked to some of you, I would be instantly fired.
So here's my resolution. I'd like to make a promise to approach situations with a far, far more respectful and professional manner. I'd like to live up to my Recognized Developer name (as well as put out a few things which I've slowly been working on). Right now, I don't feel deserving of my title, and I want to change how I act to reflect that fact I'd like to keep it.
So in the future, you can expect me to mellow down quite a bit. You can expect me to remain as polite as possible, and to make my posts as informative and as useful as they can possibly be. You can expect me to not be condescending, and you can expect all these things because you shouldn't expect anything less than that from me.
In short; I've been a jackass. Solution: stop being a jackass. :good:
Thanks for reading this.
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You've always been good in my book. :beer:
"Hey, that's not a bug, that's a feature!" Linus Torvalds, 2001
LiquidSolstice said:
So, let's be honest. I'm not exactly the most popular person on this specific forum.
A lot of you know me for my rather-- well, let's put it kindly, firm opinions when it comes to Apple being discussed here.
That being said, an apology to quite a few of you is in order. Let's face it, all niceties aside, I've made quite a few posts that make me sound like an almighty dickhead, and I admit it, I went overboard. What started out as me being quite protective of the developers on XDA who gives us all we flash kind of gave me a bit of an ego, and I've been quite rude to people who don't really deserve it.
The truth is simple; I love Android. The only reason I'm on this forum is because I love Android. While I may disagree with other users' opinions on Apple, I really should be going about expressing those opinions in a much more constructive way, because reading through my own posts, I can see where I've used phrases or figures of speech that the situation really didn't call for. I've used profanity in many posts even though XDA very much does not allow it.
I've had a specific way of posting for quite some time, and I'd like to change that. I mean, we're all here because of a common interest, right? I'd like to enjoy the company of people who have found happiness in the same things I have. It's really not in my place to tell any of you what to think or what opinions you have, and for that, I am truly sorry for attacking any of you.
I'd like to make this clear; no moderators or staff members asked me to make this post. This isn't the result of two infractions which I've received (which I admit, I deserved). This apology is because I want to remain a part of this community and the way I treat some of you is just not acceptable. In my line of work (in real life), if I talked to any one in the same way which I've talked to some of you, I would be instantly fired.
So here's my resolution. I'd like to make a promise to approach situations with a far, far more respectful and professional manner. I'd like to live up to my Recognized Developer name (as well as put out a few things which I've slowly been working on). Right now, I don't feel deserving of my title, and I want to change how I act to reflect that fact I'd like to keep it.
So in the future, you can expect me to mellow down quite a bit. You can expect me to remain as polite as possible, and to make my posts as informative and as useful as they can possibly be. You can expect me to not be condescending, and you can expect all these things because you shouldn't expect anything less than that from me.
In short; I've been a jackass. Solution: stop being a jackass. :good:
Thanks for reading this.
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i didnt notice u being a jackass?!!!! but i accept bro!! anyone who takes the time to sit and write up an appolagy......deserves acceptance of appolagy. i 2 can sometimes act a fool, thinking of ludacris act a fool bobbing head....lol! anyways we all can, its in our manly nature! welcome back bro! the new and improved u, and maybe others will follow that read this. as will i!
Very noble of you, sir. I really respect your ownership of the situation and willingness to change. A lot of us could learn from this...
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Just incredible. I have been fairly drama free but some of my old teammates at Android Creative Syndicate (where I was a Site admin) are pretty mad with me too cause I have also done some wrong things in dealing with my exit from that Site and starting my own. Takes a man to admit when he was wrong and you have inspired me tonight to find some people and make amends. I'm being totally serious to this inspired me. It's huge and I appreciate it. Ty much
Kid
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It's all gravy brotha. We are all here for a common interest, may as well make the best of it. Takes a cool dude to admit wrong and apologize..
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LS take some balls for a person in your position on this Site to post a public apology. No one's perfect man. You've given a lot to the community. I'm sure I. Due time, the people who don't know ow you will see that dedication. Good job man.
Jo
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You never offended me but apology accepted. Takes a real man with some stones to do what you did. Good on ya.
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I mean, we're all here because of a common interest, right? I'd like to enjoy the company of people who have found happiness in the same things I have. .
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Indeed you are correct sir. Infact Ive made a new pretty awesome friend through these forums. Infact we went disc golfing the other day. Had a great time with someone that has similar interests as I. I look forward to hanging out with him again and look forward to meeting more of you fine people on here. The world is a POS and its nice to be a part of a community that bonds together through similar struggles and endevors. Though its gonna suck in 8 - 12 months when people start jumping ship to the next phone. Until then LETS ROCK THIS MOTHER FATHER!
I'm not sure wth happened, but I still have a ton of respect for you LS, for doing this. As long as I've been here, I have Iseen, and even myself partook in some heated/uncalled for "debates" on XDA but never have I seen anybody sincerely apologize for their mistakes on this forum. I honestly feel that the way we treat people online in mostly anonymous situations like forums shows a lot about our true personalities and morals even when regarding reality...We just tend to bring out the parts online that we're afraid to act on and do because we know how we'd be perceived in reality.
Much respect man.
Good thing i read the last sentence first
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Iv learned something lately in dealing w/a really wonderful humanbeing who's addiction makes her not such a nice person....Think long n hard b4 you let what comes outta yer mouth. You dnt knw what the other persons been through n that could really hurt em more than you possibly know. No matter how much ppl get under your skin or say what you perceive as ignorant....speak to em as a wise man/teacher. Maybe they have no idea and could learn from your teachings something positive to pass along to others
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I have to say I enjoy reading your debates like Kao and the other poster (sorry, on ltevo app, afraid I will lose typed info if I look).
When u feel u need to challenge fact or opinion for that matter then please do. I come here to learn about the things u may take for granted as a dev.
Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing makes u a ****. Disagreeing on principle makes u a respectable ****. Or somewhere along those lines.
The line needs to be drawn somewhere I suppose. Don't lose sight of questioning what u should though. This country is going to the ****ter bc we as a whole have allowed it to happen.
Well, I better end this here before I end up being the **** of your apology thread for starting a debate on China being our daddy.
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You're good in my book, because I'm an ass too.
And my post was erased. Good god, are we men or what here? Mods sure love covering up things round here
LT. EVO reporting sir!!!
KaoMinerva said:
And my post was erased. Good god, are we men or what here? Mods sure love covering up things round here
LT. EVO reporting sir!!!
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Don't make this thread into trash.
Final warning.
Cool cool! :beer:
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How commerable. Very impressive friend. May you keep strong in your desires
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It takes a better man to ignore and oversee stupid childish comments in any forum or in public. Sounds like you have become the better man. Much respect.
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Ive been a follower of yours since the Heroc forum liquid. Ive nevrr known you to throw out anything that wasnt deserved. That being said, It takes a pretty big man to throw out an apology of actions like you did here. You have always had my respect and for this that respect has grown that much more. Thanks for the example you have set here sir. Later ,,,,,,
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