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Is it possible to get the new Windows 7 mobile on the hero? If so, how? If not, can someone make it possible?
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Is it possible to get the new Windows 7 mobile on the hero? If so, how? If not, can someone make it possible?
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No. Wrong chipset, not powerful enough, wrong screen size. Many reasons.
Wrong chipset is enough though.
Its windows ..... thats enough of a reason XD
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Its windows ..... thats enough of a reason XD
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Well, android can run on a iPhone, so, it's not a stupid question
Android should run on the iPhone - its the only way they'll get a good OS on their phone! but why would you want to run the iphone os or windows on an android phone?
I'm being antagonistic for the sake of it FYI. And the question was never "stupid" - your words not mine
I would love to see this happen - just to say they we can run any of the OS's. BUT IMHO Android is by far the best and I would never replace it completely on my phone. I think most of the devs on here probably feel the same which is why you're unlikely to see anyone working on doing this.
AND IMHO - there is no technical reason that either of the above mentioned OS's wouldn't run on an Android phone. Drivers/Code can be created for chipsets and screen size & resolution is easy to fix (in comparison). It may not be simple but its dooable. The tricky part would be getting access to the code - as those os's aren't open source or copyleft. So you'll have to "illegally" break the code to gain access in order to create the drivers to support other chipsets etc. This creates a nightmare time for places like XDA from a legal standpoint as they will be liable if people distribute this code through their website.
So in terms of this topic actually going somewhere and this technology actually coming to fruition - don't hold your breath!
I hope this helps a little more than previous answers
btdag said:
Android should run on the iPhone - its the only way they'll get a good OS on their phone! but why would you want to run the iphone os or windows on an android phone?
I'm being antagonistic for the sake of it FYI. And the question was never "stupid" - your words not mine
I would love to see this happen - just to say they we can run any of the OS's. BUT IMHO Android is by far the best and I would never replace it completely on my phone. I think most of the devs on here probably feel the same which is why you're unlikely to see anyone working on doing this.
AND IMHO - there is no technical reason that either of the above mentioned OS's wouldn't run on an Android phone. Drivers/Code can be created for chipsets and screen size & resolution is easy to fix (in comparison). It may not be simple but its dooable. The tricky part would be getting access to the code - as those os's aren't open source or copyleft. So you'll have to "illegally" break the code to gain access in order to create the drivers to support other chipsets etc. This creates a nightmare time for places like XDA from a legal standpoint as they will be liable if people distribute this code through their website.
So in terms of this topic actually going somewhere and this technology actually coming to fruition - don't hold your breath!
I hope this helps a little more than previous answers
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Thanks for the detailed answer, that explained a lot more.
Guys (and girls ... if any are reading .. )
After some tinkering about (for days now) with Mango build 7720 (Thanks again YUKI + XBOXMOD!) I can confirm that the many of the issues present in Mango Beta are now gone ... Ok granted the MicroSD gets encrypted but its not meant to be removed on an original WP7! You can refer to Yuki's thread on how to unlock your MicroSD card if you don't fancy the likes Microsofts OS and want to revert back to Android .....
Now, it's a known fact that multitouch is an issue together with sound and camera. I was unable to find solutions to this issue. This thread seeks to ask / reply and hopefully implement some of the issues which remain for us to make the HD2 and hopefully run Android and WP7 natively without the abstraction layer present in the secondary bootloaders.
Question 1 - I am aware that CLK runs android only. Are the sound / camera / and multitouch issues present in WP7 also present in Android NAND roms running on CLK ?
Question 2 - How possible is it to modify CLK to run WP7 if the answer to above is NO?
Question 3 - If the issue iies in the secondary bootloader drivers (if any) ... Is there a way to modify/contribute for further development on them?
If we resolve these the HD2 would truly be a remarkable piece of hardware running virtually any OS. Presently the multitouch issue kills some of the enjoyment on WP7 ... and the source sound input gain is too high.
I really wish if we could get some serious thread going and if anyone is confident that he/she can help resolving the driver issue, feel free to pm me. I am a software developer (c#) if this can help in any way. Have been using it some years now on a daily basis. I am willing to provide my help. I hope that anyone could help along maybe we create yet another open source bootloader which does the trick.
Hoping to hear from you so we get something going ...
Regards
Al
I would really like to hear from some devs I am more than sure that the community would be very grateful.
Secondly (courtesy of warriorvibhu)
I suggest that you all Sign this Petition.. Kindly inform all fellow HD2 owners to sign it ... especially if they were impressed by WP7 on HD2.
Alcatrazx said:
Guys (and girls ... if any are reading .. )
Now, it's a known fact that multitouch is an issue together with sound and camera. I was unable to find solutions to this issue. This thread seeks to ask / reply and hopefully implement some of the issues which remain for us to make the HD2 and hopefully run Android and WP7 natively without the abstraction layer present in the secondary bootloaders.
Question 1 - I am aware that CLK runs android only. Are the sound / camera / and multitouch issues present in WP7 also present in Android NAND roms running on CLK ?
No there are some issues in camera and sound with android but is related to incomplete kernel. They are not related to each other for example no multi touch issues on android. All those issues are related to not perfect drivers hd7 is using another touchscreen panel I guess and maybe different speakers and camera. Anyway those drivers are complexed to write because we dont get source from microsoft on how to write them.
Question 2 - How possible is it to modify CLK to run WP7 if the answer to above is NO?
Theoritically yes but CLK is designed to load an linux kernel. So if we want that we need to write a complete new bootloader.
Question 3 - If the issue iies in the secondary bootloader drivers (if any) ... Is there a way to modify/contribute for further development on them?
Yes but you need to go backt to Windows 6.5 and read out the current drivers and port them to windows phone 7 properly. But you will need a JTAG for it and you must be very skilled.
If we resolve these the HD2 would truly be a remarkable piece of hardware running virtually any OS. Presently the multitouch issue kills some of the enjoyment on WP7 ... and the source sound input gain is too high.
I really wish if we could get some serious thread going and if anyone is confident that he/she can help resolving the driver issue, feel free to pm me. I am a software developer (c#) if this can help in any way.
Hoping to hear from you so we get something going ...
Regards
Al
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Hope this make some stuff clear.
You talk about a sound issue.
If your talking about the sound being too high, then a cab can be downloadeed to fix this. Doesnt limit the maximum volume, just reduces the minimum and puts bigger steps in placce.
We need an asm developer for try to fix multitouch problem... or the source code of driver...
Multi-touch is a bit better for me (don't know if the games which need two screen pressure work I didn't tried yet) but in Bing Maps and IE9 it's working most of the time.
Just hope that's will come soon, I cant wait it !
However, I also hope the Mango will worked with flash and include more apps in the marketplace.
Fisher_9511 said:
Multi-touch is a bit better for me (don't know if the games which need two screen pressure work I didn't tried yet) but in Bing Maps and IE9 it's working most of the time.
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Its not working in any of multitouch Games.
Nice thread,curious to See the answers, definitely camera is a big issue for me, hope it get fixed soon.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
Dont forget the need to use the "batterytrick"
good thread by the way
Unfortunately the thread won't lead to anywhere. Development on WP7/7.5 is not like development on Android. WP7 is closed source and so is the drivers.
So unless HTC themselves step in or a developer hacks new drivers up(which won't happen). We'll never see a native WP7.
We're using all the stuff that was leaked from the original LEO ROM. Also, CLK with WP7/7.5 boot support would not change this. And no, all these problems are not present in Android. But that's because the developers have more tools and open source code to work with, something we don't have.
Try to think positive man... Have you ever seen the arm listed file? We need to find a timer between the two finger... would not be so so so hard... but only hard...XD
TonyCubed said:
Unfortunately the thread won't lead to anywhere. Development on WP7/7.5 is not like development on Android. WP7 is closed source and so is the drivers.
So unless HTC themselves step in or a developer hacks new drivers up(which won't happen). We'll never see a native WP7.
We're using all the stuff that was leaked from the original LEO ROM. Also, CLK with WP7/7.5 boot support would not change this. And no, all these problems are not present in Android. But that's because the developers have more tools and open source code to work with, something we don't have.
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Hi and thanks for the feedback. With a negative attitude the thread will lead to nowhere yes. That was what people said a year ago when they said that WP7 will never run on the HD2 but the devs ultimately got there. Thanks for answering the question re the Android drivers though.
You are RIGHT that the drivers in WP7 are closed source drivers ... so is MAGLDR. Rewriting another bootloader (if needed) which does not have all the frills of MAGLDR but which is open source could be a possibility.
I am not interested in getting into the WP7 ROM and modifying the drivers built in ... We have to use a technique similar to what they use when creating emulators by reverse engineering ... The most die hard emulators out there such as some of the Playstation emus out there were all closed source but it did not stop the devs from doing a proper emulation of the console.
I'd really appreciate if you could be more specific when you said that we are using the stuff which was leaked from the original "LEO" ROM ... as far as I know, is it not the Schubert which was leaked? Correct me if I'm wrong ... We got too far to give up just now...
Multitouch games do not work .. with the current Multitouch driver .. mainly due to the finger position bug .... This is explained in detail on youtube.
Sound is distorted because the input gain is too high ...
Let's not speak about the camera for now ... I think those are the two major issues which need to be remedied for now. Hopefully this thread will get us somewhere.
Regards
Al
Good initiative ! I hope we can make things work.
Also for those with the negative attitude...if you dont have anything good to say...dont say !
backlashsid said:
Good initiative ! I hope we can make things work.
Also for those with the negative attitude...if you dont have anything good to say...dont say !
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Nicely said and many thanks
You talk about a sound issue.
If your talking about the sound being too high, then a cab can be downloadeed to fix this. Doesnt limit the maximum volume, just reduces the minimum and puts bigger steps in placce.
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That is not exactly fixing the issue... It just modifies the maxima and minima ... The sound (input gain) is too high making it sound distorted from the HD2. The fix does remedy this a bit but its ... erm not really fixing the problem.
do think this would be a good idea, but its not being negative pointing out the obvious issue, its being realistic.
you see the point you made on MAGLDR and WP7 running of the HD2 is mute, and im not sure you fully understand its use, there are fundamental differences in making WP7 believe the HD2 is a native device and changing the actual drivers, you see, the SPL for the HD2 was opened up a long time ago with HSPL to be put in place which pretty much allowed us to do anything, the next critical piece was MAGLDR, which sat on top of the HSPL which gave us the potential to install android then WP, both HSPL and MAGLDR are very much programed by folk on here, they were not "hacked" or copied, they are closed source as you put it but they are built for a purpose of doing exactly what they do, enable custom ROMs, for WM, Android and WP to install. But that’s not the issue, the issue is a driver
To be clearer on the matter, IF WP7 had never been tested on the HD2 initially then we would never have had it.
The reasons for the bugs we talk about are because we have test drivers that were never supposed to see the end user. Had we not had that opportunity with the drivers on the HD2 then we would have been up the creek with it.
There are only a number of possibilities to get what we want
•HTC/OEMs go out of their way to finish the HD2 WP7 drivers and give them to use
•HTC/OEMs gives us the Relevant code and tools to do it ourselves
•We find native Windows phone devices that uses EXACTLY the same hardware which we can borrow
•Finally, the wildcard, someone who happens to know how to program for the hardware in question comes to help us.
That is it im afraid, its not being negative, you want to know what we need to do, well, there you go, the chances of HTC etc helping us are almost non-existent, finding devices with the same hardware, well i think we have more of a chance of HTC giving us them, BUT thats more to do with the very old digitiser we have, less so with the other hardware elements, so there is a possibility there.
Finding someone who can actually build a driver from the ground up? its possible, but short of putting adverts out on every developer website asking for help its not likely we will find one from this thread alone.
dazza9075 said:
do think this would be a good idea, but its not being negative pointing out the obvious issue, its being realistic.
you see the point you made on MAGLDR and WP7 running of the HD2 is mute, and im not sure you fully understand its use, there are fundamental differences in making WP7 believe the HD2 is a native device and changing the actual drivers, you see, the SPL for the HD2 was opened up a long time ago with HSPL to be put in place which pretty much allowed us to do anything, the next critical piece was MAGLDR, which sat on top of the HSPL which gave us the potential to install android then WP, both HSPL and MAGLDR are very much programed by folk on here, they were not "hacked" or copied, they are closed source as you put it but they are built for a purpose of doing exactly what they do, enable custom ROMs, for WM, Android and WP to install. But that’s not the issue, the issue is a driver
To be clearer on the matter, IF WP7 had never been tested on the HD2 initially then we would never have had it.
The reasons for the bugs we talk about are because we have test drivers that were never supposed to see the end user. Had we not had that opportunity with the drivers on the HD2 then we would have been up the creek with it.
There are only a number of possibilities to get what we want
•HTC/OEMs go out of their way to finish the HD2 WP7 drivers and give them to use
•HTC/OEMs gives us the Relevant code and tools to do it ourselves
•We find native Windows phone devices that uses EXACTLY the same hardware which we can borrow
•Finally, the wildcard, someone who happens to know how to program for the hardware in question comes to help us.
That is it im afraid, its not being negative, you want to know what we need to do, well, there you go, the chances of HTC etc helping us are almost non-existent, finding devices with the same hardware, well i think we have more of a chance of HTC giving us them, BUT thats more to do with the very old digitiser we have, less so with the other hardware elements, so there is a possibility there.
Finding someone who can actually build a driver from the ground up? its possible, but short of putting adverts out on every developer website asking for help its not likely we will find one from this thread alone.
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ur right...man sometimes i so feel like bombarding Drew Bamford (product design HTC) emails about windows phone 7 and androi on HD2 and force him to be convinced to make drivers for us....its our right
but then again...can we really ???
backlashsid said:
ur right...man sometimes i so feel like bombarding Drew Bamford (product design HTC) emails about windows phone 7 and androi on HD2 and force him to be convinced to make drivers for us....its our right
but then again...can we really ???
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I'd say... let's do this! If we get enough people, and those will send emails like everyday, then why not? There's nothing to lose
IF, and its a big IF, we are going to get it working better its going to need ideas like the comment from backlashsid to get unofficial support from these companies
In my humble opinion there is little chance of getting anything else working better without the support of people in the loop, essentially that means HTC and Qualcomm, but remember that by getting the HD2 running WP7 we are costing them money in lost sales, so there is little incentive for them to support us in an official capacity, what we're looking for is an insider!
it doesnt hurt hunting for new devices with the same hardware but its unlikely anyone would use old gear.
This would be nice so then we (as the community of XDA) can show off our HD2's as the beast-mode phone and bestest phone ever!
hey everyone. ive been googleing and googleing for weeks and weeks trying to educate myself on how the android build process works and how a device tree works. what i have been able to figure out is the device configuration has been moved form /vendor to /device between eclair and froyo. although i am very lost and confused. i have gone through source.android.com several times, and i have also gone through the very outdated platform developers guide. right now i am trying to teach myself how to set up a build environment for a real device. im doing this purely out of learning experience so i can apply it to something useful in the future. i have several devices at my disposal (epic 4g, droid1, atrix 4g, acer iconia a500) any of which i would be willing to use for learning. does anyone have any recommendations on reading material im missing? any good place to ask stupid questions? there is lots of documentation out there but i just cant seem to find it. where should i go from here? i wish i could just take a class on this. because there is so much information out there i have no idea where to go from here.
I was actually going to make a post along the same lines as yours. From what I have found the pinned post in this forum from cyanogen about cooking is probably the most useful information to get started.
The issue I have is a forum just on this topic alone. It would be nice to have a forum that only discussed merging manufacturers released code into AOSP. By googling I have found the Atrix source code that Motorola has released and also the AOSP itself. By reading cyanogens post and mucking around with the source this should give you a good start.
Good luck and if you come across a forum with just this topic discussed post a link.
Also for setting up an environment this post is good for getting everything setup to compile what you need. It is a post to compile CM7 but it can be used for what you are looking for.
gh123man said:
hey everyone. ive been googleing and googleing for weeks and weeks trying to educate myself on how the android build process works and how a device tree works. what i have been able to figure out is the device configuration has been moved form /vendor to /device between eclair and froyo. although i am very lost and confused. i have gone through source.android.com several times, and i have also gone through the very outdated platform developers guide. right now i am trying to teach myself how to set up a build environment for a real device. im doing this purely out of learning experience so i can apply it to something useful in the future. i have several devices at my disposal (epic 4g, droid1, atrix 4g, acer iconia a500) any of which i would be willing to use for learning. does anyone have any recommendations on reading material im missing? any good place to ask stupid questions? there is lots of documentation out there but i just cant seem to find it. where should i go from here? i wish i could just take a class on this. because there is so much information out there i have no idea where to go from here.
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2nd hit googling android porting.
http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/development/pdk/docs/
Nothing is truly "update-to-date" there are somethings that your going to have to do your homework on. That is a very detailed guide on the basics of getting a port going and working towards the "device tree"
Unless the device tree is from a google nexus phone, then most likely the trees are not perfect. Cyanogenmod for example, the devs that work hard on creating those device trees don't just know what will and won't work. Each phone is different alot of trial and error. Do you build a binary from source, or do you use prop files already on the phone, that is all based on what is trying to be done and how much you know. Eventually you figure it out. It hard to just say what creates the device tree. Its just like someone asking for tips on how to write Java.
Bottom line, just do it and have fun.
lithid-cm said:
2nd hit googling android porting.
http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/development/pdk/docs/
Nothing is truly "update-to-date" there are somethings that your going to have to do your homework on. That is a very detailed guide on the basics of getting a port going and working towards the "device tree"
Unless the device tree is from a google nexus phone, then most likely the trees are not perfect. Cyanogenmod for example, the devs that work hard on creating those device trees don't just know what will and won't work. Each phone is different alot of trial and error. Do you build a binary from source, or do you use prop files already on the phone, that is all based on what is trying to be done and how much you know. Eventually you figure it out. It hard to just say what creates the device tree. Its just like someone asking for tips on how to write Java.
Bottom line, just do it and have fun.
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thanks for the response. maybe im just searching for the wrong things... that and its not sinking in to my thick skull lol.. ill keep reading. im just trying to learn how it all works. some of the things i read either dont make sense or are really vague. i am currently cramming java into my head for app development. i suppose thats a good place to start. my end goal is to contribute.
gh123man said:
hey everyone. ive been googleing and googleing for weeks and weeks trying to educate myself on how the android build process works and how a device tree works. what i have been able to figure out is the device configuration has been moved form /vendor to /device between eclair and froyo.
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I am trying to figure out how to build/port ROMs too. It has been a nightmare trying to study that. Not enough material, or the material is incomplete. Most of the tutorials are meant to be done with nexus devices wich has a native suport from android. No such a help for someone who is seeking a way to build for a new, unusual device (like me).
I didn't get this "three" thing. And, In my case, it is a little bit weirder because I am trying to build for a MTK6577 processor. (Some may say I am screwed).
although i am very lost and confused. i have gone through source.android.com several times, and i have also gone through the very outdated platform developers guide.
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Many years ago I said: there will be a Time when people will know the "internet junkyard" or the "virtual online trash can".
I was reffering to outdated information. This information is available now and is not completely reliable because it is old and no one got rid of it.
It is something that is new (although the information is old, the event is pretty new) and we must learn how to deal with it. Unfortunally.
To de development point of view, I've been facing an incredible hard time just to find new information about building a custom rom from the source or porting an existent one.
I know i didn't help at all, but, I felt I must say that.
Anyway, knowing about anything, let me know.
Best regards!
gh123man said:
hey everyone. ive been googleing and googleing for weeks and weeks trying to educate myself on how the android build process works and how a device tree works. what i have been able to figure out is the device configuration has been moved form /vendor to /device between eclair and froyo. although i am very lost and confused. i have gone through source.android.com several times, and i have also gone through the very outdated platform developers guide. right now i am trying to teach myself how to set up a build environment for a real device. im doing this purely out of learning experience so i can apply it to something useful in the future. i have several devices at my disposal (epic 4g, droid1, atrix 4g, acer iconia a500) any of which i would be willing to use for learning. does anyone have any recommendations on reading material im missing? any good place to ask stupid questions? there is lots of documentation out there but i just cant seem to find it. where should i go from here? i wish i could just take a class on this. because there is so much information out there i have no idea where to go from here.
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Here is the Small Guide Made to Begin from scratch for Android Device Tree Building
Hello, I currently own an SGH-i717 and would like to start rom developing for it and would like to know where to start. If I was a complete noob and compared to most of the people here I might be, how would I download 4.0.3 source code, use adb with my phone and etc etc. I find it all very interesting but I have no idea where to start.
I am asking for help with this specific device, then maybe onto porting for other devices but this model has a very sore lack of developers for it and since I own an ATT Note I would like to start the development for it regarding ICS and etc. Also why is there a lack of developers for this model's roms?
Thanks for any and all help regarding this issue and I am excited to get started developing for you guys!
I think you need something called android sdk
Sent from the only smartphone designed by Chuck Norris
So what do I win if I vote in the poll?
KangKilla said:
Hello, I currently own an SGH-i717 and would like to start rom developing for it and would like to know where to start. If I was a complete noob and compared to most of the people here I might be, how would I download 4.0.3 source code, use adb with my phone and etc etc. I find it all very interesting but I have no idea where to start.
I am asking for help with this specific device, then maybe onto porting for other devices but this model has a very sore lack of developers for it and since I own an ATT Note I would like to start the development for it regarding ICS and etc. Also why is there a lack of developers for this model's roms?
Thanks for any and all help regarding this issue and I am excited to get started developing for you guys!
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google search, ever heard of it before? and there is no lack of devs here unless you consider quantity over quality to be better
LOL
Underground_XI said:
google search, ever heard of it before? and there is no lack of devs here unless you consider quantity over quality to be better
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If that was the case, then why aren't there ice cream sandwich roms for att note?
and also, what do I search for? I'm very busy so I don't have time to mess with google all day. I need someone who is willing to work with me on educating a new developer, that maybe in turn had someone to learn from before them that appreciates a new (quality)developer.
To keep things simple here... Please refrain from jerky comments as I am trying to maintain progression in this area and again I am a very busy person so I would appreciate it if we kept this thread professional.
Thanks again for any help you care to give! I apologize for being a beginner, but everyone has to start somewhere... right?
kevinjgray88 said:
I think you need something called android sdk
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I already have the Android SDK, but I'm not sure how to use it for developing. I tried once and ended up frustrated with it. Are there easy to understand tutorials somewhere around here that might help a beginner?
I've managed to unbrick my captivate using ADB once but it was very foreign to me and I was kinda impressed I even pulled off sending it into download mode. Thanks for helping!
jpeg42 said:
So what do I win if I vote in the poll?
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Tell em what he's won Johnny!!! - A BRAND NEEW ICE CREAM SANDWICH!!!!! - ::And teh crowd goes wild!::
It's good to see someone with a lot of drive to develop, but the biggest hurdle isn't building AOSP from source. You need to get a working kernel that is compatible with ICS and all the Notes hardware. You can't google search how to do that. In reality it's almost impossible to do if you don't have extensive experience with that sort of thing.
We need the source code from Samsung for the Note and as far as I know, there is no source code out yet for the Note (for any version of Android). The roms you are seeing right now (two that Im aware of) are basically rigged versions of the stock rom where things have been removed (bloatware) and a few things have been added that conveniently worked out of the box without messing with code.
The real work will come when we have some source code to work with.
Ok, what's next?
macked said:
It's good to see someone with a lot of drive to develop, but the biggest hurdle isn't building AOSP from source. You need to get a working kernel that is compatible with ICS and all the Notes hardware. You can't google search how to do that. In reality it's almost impossible to do if you don't have extensive experience with that sort of thing.
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Okay well that's a start... does anyone know where I can find a stock version of ICS to study it's code and experiment? I found source codes for SGH-i717 here
opensource(dot)samsung(dot)com
(I need more posts to make that a link, lol)
I searched for i717 and it came up with four source results on samsung's opensource search bar but I don't know what the four results are for and what the difference between them all are(unless it means it is for att or tmobile or etc, etc.), if you can tell me any info on these then I would be greatly appreciative.
Yeah, I have no clue how to do most things with coding for android but I do understand how to flash correctly, root and all that jazz. I just lack the programming skills and work flow it takes to make all this. I am downloading java for dummies and learning how to use XML files, but I am wondering if there is something else I should study too?
It sucks that I came here starting from scratch basically but I have learned a lot from here in a short amount of time, I appreciate all of the developers who have made the roms I love along the way, I am just growing impatient with the far and few between updates for your devices and I want to see updates for our devices come faster and the only way to do that is to do something about it. So I am very grateful for any help I get regarding this.
Where can I start with the kernel search? Is that what everyone is waiting on to start developing ICS for this phone? Does anyone know if one exists?
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What's the difference between a kernel and a rom? Basically.. what the heck is it in lamen's terms?
KangKilla said:
What's the difference between a kernel and a rom? Basically.. what the heck is it in lamen's terms?
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This is a great place to start.
http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html
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This is not the place to learn how to develop, go to Android Development and Hacking forums and start studying.
My Atrix got it's case cracked and the touch-screen display died, and given I already got a replacement phone I feel a bit adventurous. I wanted to see if I could build my own computer with what remains, so I wanted to run Linux natively (no Android). Given that there's a Linux 4 Tegra from Nvidia:
Is there a chance that I could build my own distro based on that?
Should I use another kernel (like the one currently used in gingerbread or CM7)?
Please note that I'm not trying to do webtop.
I thought of building my own handheld with the Atrix, or what remains of it. So any tips on how to get started would be great.
Cheers!
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Umm... what section would you suggest other than Q&A?
It was moved. Sorry 'bout that. I was under the impression that development questions were on the other forum...
"Android development" is in the description. I think they keep that forum just for Android-specific things, even though Android is just a flavor of linux.
tonglebeak said:
"Android development" is in the description. I think they keep that forum just for Android-specific things, even though Android is just a flavor of linux.
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You're being way too literal. It's been used for all sorts of non-Android dev multiple times. Right now, Boot2Gecko is right there. The fact of the matter is that when it pertains to dev questions, this post would most likely be answered there. I'm pretty sure it'll die here on this forum with barely any useful answer, if at all.
The development section is mostly for things that are "in progress", ie. with "something to show". Questions, discussions and ideas go elsewhere.
As for your question, I believe I've seen a thread about this already, and quite recently too.
ravilov said:
The development section is mostly for things that are "in progress", ie. with "something to show". Questions, discussions and ideas go elsewhere.
As for your question, I believe I've seen a thread about this already, and quite recently too.
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I've checked a few that I've found on the forum, but most had no answer and were about other devices. With regards to the Atrix or the Tegra, I've only found threads about webtop.
Not to argue too much about this too much, but I've seen threads that started with nothing in the dev section. Like the Kernel porting project that started as a mere placeholder for the project. Point is, I've done my research and found no pointers to the questions I have. I made it in case another dev had an idea about it. I may have missed something, but that's why I asked in the first place. If I believed I had covered all grounds by myself, I wouldn't have asked in the first place.
Lugaidster said:
I've checked a few that I've found on the forum, but most had no answer and were about other devices. With regards to the Atrix or the Tegra, I've only found threads about webtop.
Not to argue too much about this too much, but I've seen threads that started with nothing in the dev section. Like the Kernel porting project that started as a mere placeholder for the project. Point is, I've done my research and found no pointers to the questions I have. I made it in case another dev had an idea about it. I may have missed something, but that's why I asked in the first place. If I believed I had covered all grounds by myself, I wouldn't have asked in the first place.
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What you're looking to do seems similar to this question: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2110161
The difference between the webtop and a stand alone installation of Linux won't be that different, mainly it would just be where on the device the OS is installed and how video is handled. That said, I'm not sure about the kernel, specifically the video drivers, since they're intended for Android and may not be compatible with X. AFAIK, Wayland is closer to Android than X is, but Wayland isn't quite ready.
Anyway, assuming you did succeed, what you would end up with would be less like a true desktop (as you'd be pretty much locked into a specific kernel, and therefor any packages limited by it, but it doesn't invalidate the effort), and more like a persistent live CD, since the OS would be installed to an area mounted as read-only (to prevent flash wear), with access to an area that has read/write access, like in Android where you store apps and user files. Overall, it could be fun if you enjoy a challenge and aren't intimidated by soldering and using the JTAG connector.
lehjr said:
What you're looking to do seems similar to this question: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2110161
The difference between the webtop and a stand alone installation of Linux won't be that different, mainly it would just be where on the device the OS is installed and how video is handled. That said, I'm not sure about the kernel, specifically the video drivers, since they're intended for Android and may not be compatible with X. AFAIK, Wayland is closer to Android than X is, but Wayland isn't quite ready.
Anyway, assuming you did succeed, what you would end up with would be less like a true desktop (as you'd be pretty much locked into a specific kernel, and therefor any packages limited by it, but it doesn't invalidate the effort), and more like a persistent live CD, since the OS would be installed to an area mounted as read-only (to prevent flash wear), with access to an area that has read/write access, like in Android where you store apps and user files. Overall, it could be fun if you enjoy a challenge and aren't intimidated by soldering and using the JTAG connector.
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Actually, I might have to do soldering anyway. I'm not really intimidated by it and don't really care all that much for phone functionality and such. I'm not even interested all that much in X as my project is more towards transforming it into a handheld gaming (more like emu) device. I don't mind compiling software specifically for the system. The question is pretty low-level in that regard for me. I want to know if I have to do anything with regards to the kernel since it's specific to Android. Given that most emus I know that would run acceptably in a tegra 2 don't really need the GPU, I don't mind just using framebuffer so HW doesn't really interest me.
Lugaidster said:
Actually, I might have to do soldering anyway. I'm not really intimidated by it and don't really care all that much for phone functionality and such. I'm not even interested all that much in X as my project is more towards transforming it into a handheld gaming (more like emu) device. I don't mind compiling software specifically for the system. The question is pretty low-level in that regard for me. I want to know if I have to do anything with regards to the kernel since it's specific to Android. Given that most emus I know that would run acceptably in a tegra 2 don't really need the GPU, I don't mind just using framebuffer so HW doesn't really interest me.
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Unfortunately, it's going to be one of those areas where you'll have to make an educated guess, since as far as we know, no one has successfully pulled off a straight Linux implementation on the device.
That said, nVidia does have both Android and Linux images for the Ventana dev kit, so it should be possible. In my case, I would compare the source code for their Linux kernel vs the stock Linux kernel vs their closest Android kernel vs the stock Android kernel. The biggest thing is how the the device specific files translate from one kernel to another, because you'll likely need to translate the device specific files for the Atrix in the same manner. The changes may be subtle or they may be drastic. The main thing is to just be able to set the pins properly so you don't release any "magic smoke". Unfortunately, I see no source code for any of nVidia's kernels.
Anyway, that's how I would do it, but I do suspect that someone with more knowledge could find a much simpler approach and hopefully they'll chime in, but this part of the forums isn't the thriving hub of activity it used to be, so I don't know if that will happen any time soon or at all.
lehjr said:
nVidia does have both Android and Linux images for the Ventana dev kit
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Atrix is a Whistler, not a Ventana.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33289027#post33289027
ravilov said:
Atrix is a Whistler, not a Ventana.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33289027#post33289027
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Thanks for the heads up and the link! :highfive: