Anyone know if you can put the motherboard and guts of a hero in a G1 housing giving you the ability to use the physical keyboard of the g1 with the better memory ect of the hero?
it would get messy, the screens are a different size, ahah and if you kept the g1's screen it would take alot of programming i think to get it to work
i wouldnt say its impossible, but arnt there ways of using bluetooth keyboards?
id suggest figuring that out!
Bluetooth keyboards are certainly an option. There are two commercial apps in the market which support them. One for SPP & one for HID (the two BT profiles, serial port profile & human interface device, which BT keyboards can use), so most keyboards should work with one or the other. As it happens, I'm waiting for delivery of a Freedom Pro, from Handtec, atm.
It's probably not actually impossible, but if you had to ask then it's not something you could do.
I'd say it's practically impossible in that no one would ever do it.
OT: The poster above mentioned 2 apps for using a BT keyboard.. what are they and do either support the original old freedom BT kb?
It's possible, but as far as I'm aware you'd need to write new drivers for communicating with the physical keyboard, and the older screen/buttons, etc.
sambartle said:
OT: The poster above mentioned 2 apps for using a BT keyboard.. what are they and do either support the original old freedom BT kb?
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BlueInput & KeyPro. Can't get either to work with the Freedom Pro on a 1.5 gsm Hero (they support many phones running 1.5). Hero seems to be lacking something under 1.5 that most other devices have.
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I bought a Belkin wireless keyboard (F8U1500), but the keyboard drivers don't work with Windows Mobile 5.
Does anybody have any ideas on a good keyboard that will work with the Wizard? I want to do some writing, and lugging my laptop around is a pain.
Thanks.
How about using the one that comes with it
Why would you buy a wizard if you didn't want the keyboard. You should have gone for a JAM.
Well, first off, you can't actually type on that keyboard. You can peck, you can poke, and you can thumb, but there will be no writing of books or articles on that thing. It's too small.
Second, you can't buy a Jam or any of the other HTC handsets in the US. You get the two variants of Wizard, and that's it.
I could have gotten a WM2003 based machine, but there were specific features of WM5 that I wanted: the extended battery life and the non-volatile memory are at the top of my list. I've used Pocket PC's and Palm OS PDA's in the past, and I've always been worried about the batteries dying and losing my data - it happened once, and wouldn't you know I'd been using it heavily the day before.
Even at $500 (I didn't get an activation discount because of stupid recordkeeping on T-Mobile's part), the Wizard is still a good deal. I just looked up a Jam, and it's over $600.
Finally, I didn't know about the Jam, or any of the other HTC products until after I purchased the T-Mobile MDA. I like this product, and I wouldn't trade it for any other PDA I've seen - except maybe Cingular's variant, since I like their keyboard better.
Either way, the fact remains: I need a keyboard that's compatible with my Wizard, and giving me a hard time about what I "should have" bought doesn't help.
If anyone has any serious suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
Thanks.
I use the ThinkOutside Bluetooth keyboard and mouse with my 8125, and the Qtek 9100 I had before it. Work very well togehter.
Drivers are here: http://thinkoutside.com/support/Drivers.asp?ManufacturerID=60&ModelID=357
Regards - John
Thanks. I ordered one of those through EBay ($105 after shipping).
We'll see how well that goes.
the think outside bt is great
i've been using since i had my jam and now the wizard
you made a good choice
chybinj said:
I use the ThinkOutside Bluetooth keyboard and mouse with my 8125, and the Qtek 9100 I had before it. Work very well togehter.
Drivers are here: http://thinkoutside.com/support/Drivers.asp?ManufacturerID=60&ModelID=357
Regards - John
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They just released new BT drivers 4-20-06. So far it has seemed to fix the power button issue that myself and others have experienced. I really love this keyboard now!
Steven
thanks a lot for the update on the driver
i'll update mine now
I have an apple BT wireles keyboard.
Are there any drivers I can use to pair it with my Vario?. The Vario can find it, but doesn't offer any services to use.
(My apple wireless mouse pairs and is identified as a HID, but there is no mouse pointer on screen!!)
I'm looking for a small thumb-like bt keyboard. I know there are many folded ones, but they are all to big. Coming from Kaiser i miss thumb-typing, so i'm in need of something similar. Logitech dinovo mini is way to expencive and still to big to carry around. I found some, but don't know if they will work. If anyone has some idea if this can work on HD or does know thumb-like keyboard, please share.
Old one, but it looks great
http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/n..._releases_standalone_bt_thumb_board_08101034/
Weird looking but would do the job
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-83Key-Wire...4|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50
Maybe this one too
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=224040
Anyone using this?
http://freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=137&Itemid=140
tnx
Have you also explore alternative soft keyboards like Resco or SBP:
http://www.resco.net/pocketpc/keyboard/
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/keyboard/
I also used to have a Touch Pro and a Tytn II and was a thumb typist on both. But, now I'm happy with JUST the HD and now keyboard.
i use soft keybrds for fast input, but when typing long emails it's much faster to type with hw keyboard. I even make less typos with it.
i suppose the only problem is with device driver, so what kind of BT chip does HD have? Some of this thumb keyboards allready have wm support (of some sort) and support Bluesoil.
I dont know much of this, so i could be way off. Even so, i think this would be good adition.
tnx
could be used for games?
teva said:
I'm looking for a small thumb-like bt keyboard. I know there are many folded ones, but they are all to big. Coming from Kaiser i miss thumb-typing, so i'm in need of something similar. Logitech dinovo mini is way to expencive and still to big to carry around. I found some, but don't know if they will work. If anyone has some idea if this can work on HD or does know thumb-like keyboard, please share.
Old one, but it looks great
http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/n..._releases_standalone_bt_thumb_board_08101034/
Weird looking but would do the job
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-83Key-Wire...4|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50
Maybe this one too
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=224040
Anyone using this?
http://freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=137&Itemid=140
tnx
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I'm not sure that the maplin one would work
I had a real good look at it plus some web searching
ps3's use a different HID to microsoft
Hence I'm reasonable sure it not for you
Gary
I'm waiting to see this thing come out.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/06/lgs-lba-c300-bluetooth-qwerty-card-is-the-best-calculator-loo/
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I'm waiting to see this thing come out.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/06/lgs-lba-c300-bluetooth-qwerty-card-is-the-best-calculator-loo/
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that is sick! bet its more than the other ones due to screen etc but would be a great companion to the blackstone
*update, the conclusion is that the current software is useless and as of the ppc6800 and the following HTC models, the IRDA port is either crap or non-existent, for that reason I am building a powered, universal adapter to turn any phone into a remote*
hello. first off, yes I know there are old threads about this, but they are dead and had a different take on this topic. I am looking to know if anyone has gotten any tv remote control software working on the mogul. I don't care about the distance so I dont want to hear about how the mogul is ill-equipped to do this, I just want to know what software works as I will use\make a IR repeater\booster that will give me all the range I need.
I have tried the following software
1-PDAWin tv remote controller simply crashes when I press any button
2- noviiRemote is not compatible with our IR
3- RemoteControl II v.2.12 stays it is incompatible with our processor and for that reason, it turns off the IR access... but the rest of the software works ??? odd
4- UniversalRemoteCE 4.0 Tested by wagonis, froze his phone with every try
5- Total Remote does not work, freezes when I try to record a signal.
Untested
6- UltraMote
can't find
7- VITO remote
so to recap. Has anyone found a working software? I will give a free IR booster\repeater to anyone who can point me to a proper and working programmable universal remote control software that works over IR and not the web (or even better, anyone who can get PDAWin tv remote working )
thanks.
Honestly, I've tried 4 different softwares from that list and none worked, if anything they kept crashing my phone...so I gave up before I caused any damage to my phone. If you figure out which one works though, please list it, I'd like to know and try it.
can I know which was teh 4th that did not work so I can update my list please?
UniversalRemoteCE 4.0 froze up my phone every time I tried to use it
Many have tried. I am pretty sure no one has succeeded.
in my best Airplane - The Movie voice
"good luck, we're all counting on you"
my best suggestion is to buy an older known compatible phone with stronger irda
i looked into it a bit ago and came up with a good solution and found two of the phones on ebay for $20...but never bought them
i know it would be convenient to use our daily cell for this feature...but its an uphill battle
dont give up...lol
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Since the whole software thing does not seem to work... I am going to set out on making my own! My goal is to make a universal-universal remote app; even cross-platform, and the way I will do this is with external hardware. Since most new phones do not have a good IR port, I will make an external IR port that plugs into phones, mark my words!
I will keep people up to date on this
I'll subscribe to this thread to keep tabs on this. Good luck.
Well I am very excited to say that things are moving along nicely. Unfortunately, my local electronics supply shop (that is actually worth going to) is closed during weekends since its a small business who's main clients are engineering students during the year . This means that My full prototype (with range booster) will have to wait, but the basic premise is working, and, depending on my schedule, I should have a working prototype soon. I have already gotten in contact with a few chinese companies to compare the price of production of the modules.
well, the project is coming along well, but I need some input from the community. 1 is a note, 2 is the important question.
1- the software will be open source. The exact format still has to be determined, but the main lead right now is java so that i can be universal for all phones (except the Iphone that will need its own app).
2- Should it be powered or not? The module is coming along well, but I need some input. If it is powered, I have to make the tough decision between having the ext-usb plug sticking out on the edge of the board, meaning you have a 9v battery dangling from your phone or a short cable (1-2 feet) that plugs in the ext-usb port and the module rests next to you. What is the best route for this? (Ideally I would love bluetooth, but I do not have the electronic know-how for this)
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well, the project is coming along well, but I need some input from the community. 1 is a note, 2 is the important question.
1- the software will be open source. The exact format still has to be determined, but the main lead right now is java so that i can be universal for all phones (except the Iphone that will need its own app).
2- Should it be powered or not? The module is coming along well, but I need some input. If it is powered, I have to make the tough decision between having the ext-usb plug sticking out on the edge of the board, meaning you have a 9v battery dangling from your phone or a short cable (1-2 feet) that plugs in the ext-usb port and the module rests next to you. What is the best route for this? (Ideally I would love bluetooth, but I do not have the electronic know-how for this)
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Why not make all? Powered and not. Corded and not. Are you encasing the electronics? If just for the Mogul how 'bout a phone case type add on putting the IR port on the right end of the phone while you're at it so we don't have to rotate our screens? That being said, with the Mogul getting dated, how 'bout for newer phones lacking IR ports all together like the touch pro and touch pro 2? Oh, maybe someone could help you out with bluetooth.
Well its not just for the mogul, it is going to work universally for all HTC phones and will be one little tweak away from working with other phones.
As far as corded or not, I think I will make it non corded and then you can just add it. It will cost a few cents extra but save alot on production costs of 2 different modules (if I go with powered, unpowered can easily be both).
The reason I am not doing powered and unpowered is that the powered requires a case and a battery and starts getting a little big (the size of half a thumb approximately), while the unpowered one is about 0.5mmx0.5mm. Also, making the powered one requires a much greater production cost as it would be made in china because if I make it myself, the powered one would be about 4 inches by 2 inches as I can't make the small traces myself, many of the parts are hard to come by and suftace mount is hard to do.
The reason that none of the programs work is because they require raw IR port access, not the IRDA protocol.
dj13241 said:
The reason that none of the programs work is because they require raw IR port access, not the IRDA protocol.
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Thats ok, this is a hardware\software combination so the IR will work.
I think I love you man. I've been looking for this since before I got my Mogul in my hands.
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I think I love you man. I've been looking for this since before I got my Mogul in my hands.
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lol I hear ya. Everything is being delayed because the store I usually go to was selling IR LEDs for 4 bucks and they don't specify voltage so I had to order some online. I just need to get that stupid LED so that I can be done with the hardware and get working on the software.
I am still waiting on those diodes. I bought molding and casting material so that our IR emitters will look better than a loose set or components soldered on an extusb port
Anyone going to china who can buy ExtUSB ports for 50 cents with the breakout port? I got that quote from a company but I don't like sending unsecured payments and 10$ per extusb port + breakout board is going to make it pretty expensive for us. If so, let me know, I would like to buy a batch.
thanks.
since our device will work on many phones, instead of creating threads in every forum of every device, we decided to opt for a twitter account where we will keep everyone up to date on this project.
Spread the word!
http://twitter.com/wrctweets
Found this thread searching for a Bluetooth to IR converter, so I could use my Rhodium as a universal remote.
I was wondering... since all modern smartphones have Bluetooth, why not make a powered BT -> IR converter, which uses the HID standard? Since most phones have a HID application already (my old SE K750i could be used to control my desktop computer with HID), you don't need a lot of development on the phones itself. You'd need a way to program the conversion table (key 5 -> send PLAY IR sequence), I guess. You could then have a simple HID remote on simple phones or a full blown custom skinnable remote on a WVGA smartphone.
It would really be nice to have a Philips Pronto (or similar) universal remote where you can operate all sorts of equipment.
unfortunately, working with bluetooth at that level would be well beyond my expertise and bring the cost up $$$$$ because of the low volume of production. Also, making the drivers for this would be much harder and way to phone-specific, killing the intent of this device. Also, the way this works, it should work with any standard IR device.
I have a p4000 and am upgrading to a touch pro2, when I upgrade again in 2 years, I don't want to have to start the project over .
Finally, bluetooth device = more components = bulkier and = batteries!
I am getting back home late tonight and I will get back to work on the project (got the LEDs the day I was leaving).
ps. I do appreciate all feedback and comments.
thank you
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unfortunately, working with bluetooth at that level would be well beyond my expertise and bring the cost up $$$$$ because of the low volume of production. Also, making the drivers for this would be much harder and way to phone-specific, killing the intent of this device. Also, the way this works, it should work with any standard IR device.
I have a p4000 and am upgrading to a touch pro2, when I upgrade again in 2 years, I don't want to have to start the project over .
Finally, bluetooth device = more components = bulkier and = batteries!
I am getting back home late tonight and I will get back to work on the project (got the LEDs the day I was leaving).
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sorry for being off topic, but do you know when the touch pro 2 is coming out in Canada ? And who's gonna get it telus, roger, fido or bell ?? (hope this is coming to Telus)
hehe, its out with telus waiting for mine in the mail now!
Inbound Ir
Will your Module accept inbound ir transfer? I am using a polar hr monitor that uses ir to download files to my phone. I've been looking for an upgrade option with ir without success. If your module will work, this is great news. Keep up the good work.
does the touch pro 2 have the ability to use a mouse with it ???
USB is a host/client interface. The TP2 is a client, not a host, so no. I am curious about it's ability to use bluetooth peripherals though, would be cool to use blue tooth game pads with emulators.
I thought the input of the TP2 was called Mini-USB? So why can't a (mini)-usb device work together with the TP2 per definition?
Mini-usb is a connector size. USB is a host-client interface (one device is the HOST, one is the CLIENT), and your phone only works as a CLIENT, not a HOST. The hardware is actually different.
Some phones actually DO have the HOST hardware included, but no drivers included to make it work. There was a USB-HOST set of drivers hanging around here somewhere for some phones, but I don't know if anyone's ever tried with the rhodium.
somewhere reported as non functioning
do you think it might work with a bt mouse?? used to have one for htc universal... simply fantastic!! where to find drivers though? I lost the cd coming with it..
years ago I have had a bt mouse with on WM. Cant remember what the mouse was called or the software it used, But I still have it at home somewhere. I could check. Maybe storeaway, would that be it? It was cool to have a little cross on the screen.
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years ago I have had a bt mouse with on WM. Cant remember what the mouse was called or the software it used, But I still have it at home somewhere. I could check. Maybe storeaway, would that be it? It was cool to have a little cross on the screen.
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Stowaway probably... mine is called "stowaway bluetooth travel mouse"!
if we find the drivers, and if it is compatible with wm6.1 / wvga and all the rest, we could manage to use the TP2 as a little netbook, like the old good days with the htc universal! that would be simply great!
I don't actually have TP2 yet, but there's a piece of software called Bluemouse, which is supposed to let you use a Bluetooth mouse with your device, and there's a trial which you can use to see if it works or not. As for the Zeno USB host drivers, apparently they don't work with the TP2, nor most of the HTCs with Qualcomm chipsets, since there is no host capability.
Dave
Hi,
Is there any external Bluetooth keyboard or just
a normal Keyboard working with the HTC hero?
Or any Bluetooth-keyboard-driver?
Greetz
Jonas
I've been looking at this for the HTC Desire and have found 4 possibilities which may or may not apply to the Hero
1. Keypro on the android market claims to provide bluetooth drivers for a range of keyboards. Comments suggest it is tricky to set up but does work for some devices
2. BlueInput also on the market claims to do the same but comments are much more negative
3. Freedom input are developing drivers for Android for their Freedom Pro keyboard model and have released some
4. Chris Paget has developed a hardware solution for a USB keyboard (see http://www.tombom.co.uk/blog/?p=124). Needs some soldering and looks a bit awkward
I am probably about to go for option 3 but let us know if you get something working
alexbush said:
I've been looking at this for the HTC Desire and have found 4 possibilities which may or may not apply to the Hero
1. Keypro on the android market claims to provide bluetooth drivers for a range of keyboards. Comments suggest it is tricky to set up but does work for some devices
2. BlueInput also on the market claims to do the same but comments are much more negative
3. Freedom input are developing drivers for Android for their Freedom Pro keyboard model and have released some
4. Chris Paget has developed a hardware solution for a USB keyboard (see http://www.tombom.co.uk/blog/?p=124). Needs some soldering and looks a bit awkward
I am probably about to go for option 3 but let us know if you get something working
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Option 3 seems the most likely to work, though all drivers seem to fail/be problematic with a number of Android 1.5 devices, particularly HTC ones, including the Hero.
I have a Freedom Pro sitting here waiting to be tested with my Hero, after I finally update to a 2.1 ROM.
maybe these can help?
jkontherun.com/2010/02/17/how-to-add-a-usb-keyboard-to-an-android-phone/
adq.livejournal.com/95689.html