So I've gotten anywhere between 2.5 to 5.1 MFLOPS using various ROMS and have yet to be able to notice something incredibly different.
710...768...806 - What does it matter? What program other than Linpack shows a sizable difference? Sure, maybe things open quicker? What am I missing here?
I read all this about achieving high MFLOPS and OC Kernels yet I still can't achieve smooth game play on 16 bit emulator on my phone with 5 MFLOPS.
MFLOPS mean jack when there is little way to observe the difference.
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So I've gotten anywhere between 2.5 to 5.1 MFLOPS using various ROMS and have yet to be able to notice something incredibly different.
710...768...806 - What does it matter? What program other than Linpack shows a sizable difference? Sure, maybe things open quicker? What am I missing here?
I read all this about achieving high MFLOPS and OC Kernels yet I still can't achieve smooth game play on 16 bit emulator on my phone with 5 MFLOPS.
MFLOPS mean jack when there is little way to observe the difference.
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Linpack MFLOPS - measures the floating point performance of your phone.
710...768...806 - refers to CPU frequencies
increasing the CPU frequency should equate to better general-case performance, including things opening quicker as you mention, but also other types of general snappiness like moving between screens and so forth.
"I read all this about achieving high MFLOPS and OC Kernels yet I still can't achieve smooth game play on 16 bit emulator on my phone with 5 MFLOPS." - This may have less to do with the performance of your phone and more to do with the emulator itself. Emulation is a surprisingly CPU intensive operation, especially if the emulater isn't well written. Rather than looking a ton into overclocking and JIT, etc, maybe you ought to look for a better piece of software.
Yea,
I've tested most emulators. Wish there was an Atari emulator!
Thanks for the response.
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Yea,
I've tested most emulators. Wish there was an Atari emulator!
Thanks for the response.
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I have run roms with 5.1 MFLOPS and now am running a rom that gets 3. I can honestly say I see no difference.
Spencer_Moore said:
I have run roms with 5.1 MFLOPS and now am running a rom that gets 3. I can honestly say I see no difference.
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I can see a difference... in battery life! Lolz
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I can see a difference... in battery life! Lolz
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Haha Awesome
it looks like to me that everyone is look at the wrong things.
for example:
I am running a Tom that is getting on a average of 4.9 mflops.
I get smoother screen changes....
streaming videos online is so much faster compared to a 3.0 mflop rom. ...
tubetube and other....... websites.
to me everything I do is faster...
I.don't play game on my phone so I don't know how that is.... but everythng else I do is very much faster.
I love high mflop roms...
I have notice about mflops is that it matters about the kernal that u use.
Isn't it true that the MSM7201 in our phones is already overclocked to get to 528mhz as it is? I see a lot of different places saying Qualcomm chips in general are just not worth overclocking... and since our chip is factory overclocked to begin with... just seems like we're pushing the already-pushed here. But the way this board goes crazy for overclocking... it's contradictory. I don't know what to think, cause I've run Linpack myself and gotten ~4.9 with JIT + OC versus ~2.5 without... but I'm with the OP on this one... only difference I'm seeing is my battery draining faster and my phone getting physically hotter.
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Isn't it true that the MSM7201 in our phones is already overclocked to get to 528mhz as it is? I see a lot of different places saying Qualcomm chips in general are just not worth overclocking... and since our chip is factory overclocked to begin with... just seems like we're pushing the already-pushed here. But the way this board goes crazy for overclocking... it's contradictory. I don't know what to think, cause I've run Linpack myself and gotten ~4.9 with JIT + OC versus ~2.5 without... but I'm with the OP on this one... only difference I'm seeing is my battery draining faster and my phone getting physically hotter.
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I have OC and JIT and getting about 5.1 mflops and haven't had worse battery life or a hotter phone. It could be the battery I'm using but meh (got a replacement one that's 2000 mAh) but I got worse battery life on leak 2.1 than with the rom I'm using now that has OC, JIT, LWP, etc. I can go about 8 hours with heavy texting, moderate internet usage and my lwp's running and it only goes to about 65%
so OC and Jit don't make that big of a difference in gameplay?
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What the OP and all the respondents are noting is frankly quite typical of what happens when performance tuning focuses on a single benchmark: the results obtained are essentially meaningless for different kinds of activities on the same device.
That's because there's a whole chain of dependencies that are specific to a given task, any number of which could become the rate-limiting factor; and a different task on the device will have a different set of dependencies and therefore different rate-limiting behaviors.
For instance, let's take writing to an SD card as an example: there's really no way that OC'ing will speed that up in a measurable way - because the CPU isn't the rate limiting factor.
That Linpack benchmark measures floating-point performance using a software library (as the Eris has no hardware FP capability). Most of the apps on the phone do very little FP work at all. But, it's not a bad test of CPU speed, because it performs no I/O. It also may not be very memory bandwidth intensive, either (if the problems it works on stays in the uP cache and there are few page faults).
OTOH, a game emulator needs to write to the graphics display (at a minimum) and possibly also do read I/O from flash.
Different task, different results. Sometimes things can be improved by hardware or firmware; sometimes the software itself needs to be improved.
bftb0
im sorry, but could you just answer in plain english
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im sorry, but could you just answer in plain english
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Lima beans bad.
Pork good.
Slow phone bad.
Fast phone good.
bftb0
Thanks for my laugh of the day on that one.
What I'm trying to get at is -
I should be able to play, at the basic level, Sonic or Mario - Without issues.
At the very least
I prefer roms over market games any day (Sonic, Mario, Zelda, DK-Country) and it cripples the phone, at least in my view, that I cannot enjoy the fruits of old games.
Although, I was able to find some old Atari games - which, thankfully, work without stuttering.
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I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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This is agreed up to a point. Sooner or later they will be creating apps and OS' that will truly utilize the full dual cores potential within the phone. I personally believe that up until that point the OP is 100% right on. But once this does happen, these apps will become more and more processor heavy. And once that happens, I believe we'll be back in the same boat as before and 1.2 vs. 1.7 will actually make a bit of a difference to the typical end user (and not just by benchmark enthusiasts).
The only reason I believe this to be true is look at how PCs and laptops evolved. We got dual core processors and apps weren't quite using the full potential, then as time went on and programmers started utilizing the full processing capabilities of dual/quad cores (& as these processors became more and more common) the differences began to matter again. That's just my 2 cents & I could be completely wrong, but just wanted to share my thoughts. Good topic though
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I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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lol i did this once gotta love having multiple tabs and think you clicked on the right one ya? least thats what happend to me when i did it
I agree with you. Even in the games i play there is almost no difference, except that the battery gets drained faster because of the higher voltage.
P.s. wrong section, rable, rable, rable
I kinda agree with you in the matter of it not making a HUGE difference. But when I'm overclocked to 1.7, I do notice that it seems to scroll smoother. But that's the only difference I can see.
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I'm comin from a heroc running 768 so 1.2g MORE than enough for me. Besides any faster an yer batterys gonna last w couple hours.
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motoelliot said:
I'm comin from a heroc running 768 so 1.2g MORE than enough for me. Besides any faster an yer batterys gonna last w couple hours.
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This would be my philosophy. A 1.2 GHz Dual Core is absolutely insane compared to what us Hero users used to have to deal with. My phone couldn't even handle 768, it was stable at 691.
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This would be my philosophy. A 1.2 GHz Dual Core is absolutely insane compared to what us Hero users used to have to deal with. My phone couldn't even handle 768, it was stable at 691.
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Yeah... My poor heros still mad at me.
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I have my 3D oc'ed to 1.5 and ever so slightly undervolt to 1175000 (too many zeroes?)
Totally stable for me. Battery doesn't seem effected much.
Of course I haven't done heavy gaming yet. So. I dunno. I'm still in the honeymoon phase of just being Able to overclock, ya know. Lol.
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I have my 3D oc'ed to 1.5 and ever so slightly undervolt to 1175000 (too many zeroes?)
Totally stable for me. Battery doesn't seem effected much.
Of course I haven't done heavy gaming yet. So. I dunno. I'm still in the honeymoon phase of just being Able to overclock, ya know. Lol.
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I dont know what the stock voltage is, but wouldnt this essentially balance out the extra battery draw from running a slightly higher clock?
Faster, Stronger .. make it so.
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I've overclocked mine a few days, now I'm at stock 1.2 almost no difference. Running the script for overclock is nice though because it allows the use of apps like setcpu. That way profiles can be set for temperature and battery charge level.
As for overclocking because its awesome fast... No need, sweet the way it is.
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I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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I agree. It doesn't feel much if any faster and is probably needlessly using excess battey.
On the otherhand, I find there to be a pretty big difference between driving 120, 150, or even 170 mph.
mitchellvii said:
I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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I overclock because it makes my friends with lame iPhones jealous.
bavman said:
I agree with you. Even in the games i play there is almost no difference, except that the battery gets drained faster because of the higher voltage.
P.s. wrong section, rable, rable, rable
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You goto KU?
Nice internet speeds, dorm/campus internet sucked when I was there
Once there's permanent root and htc releases the kernel source, will our phones be able to be over clocked higher then 1.7?
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I overclock because it makes my friends with lame iPhones jealous.
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So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
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Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Benchmarks do have a some good uses... while comparing different phone models with benchmarks can be iffy, it can give an overall insight, (things like graphics capabilities with very GPU extensive games) but in the end user experience and daily use are the real judges.
Where benchmarks can be of the most use, is when comparing changes to the same phone model.
E.G. Comparing performance impacts of AOSP vs Sense, overclocking and under-clocking, and de-sensing/bloat removal.
When used for these reasons, you can get a really good feel for how changes are affecting your device overall. Even then, benchmarks are not the be all end all, and user experience is still important. As you may introduce lag or other performance issues that do not show up in benchmarks.
Which temp root method are you using? Mine isn't staying rooted long enough for me to justify using setCPU at all...
The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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Thx for the info, guess I must still be using the outdated method. I'll run the latest version of Scott's Clean tool and give it a shot.
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So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Please let us know what settings you use that work for you.
I generally stay temprooted unless I'm going to be away from a charger for a bit and need BT (since you can't turn BT back on after temproot). I wouldn't have SetCPU autostart on boot (since it won't ever be able to get root access immediately after boot).
Meanwhile, I also set it to conservative and will see what that accomplishes.
A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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This kernel apparently does work with SetCPU. I've confirmed using other cpu monitoring apps that the clock speed changes are capped.
I own 7 android phones, and have been rooting, overclocking, undervolting each and every single one of them (well one I still cant get rooted). I know when the cpu is under clocked and when it is not. Been doing these tweaks for 4 years now. If you use a tool like System Panel, at stock settings you can see the max cpu around 1500 on our little bad boy. When it peaks out the clock speed is shown. When you under clock it, then check again it won't go beyond the max cpu set in my testing I put a ceiling at 918mhz. System Panel reported full CPU usage (100%) at clock speed 918mhz. Typically with stock kernels, your absolutely right, changes to SetCPU do nothing at all to the real cpu. Which is confirmed, when I reboot and dont have root, if I attempt to use SetCPU and make the changes, System Panel reports 1500mhz (roughly) at full load regardless of what I set it to in SetCPU. If I did this to any of my other phones with stock kernels, you are correct it makes no difference as SystemPanel reports the stock max setting.
No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
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A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
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Or I would say, "half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should have always been allowed to do...." Just sayin'.
Are you using the profiles at all? Im interested to know what seems to be working out the best for you.
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
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In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
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Linpack and Quadrant are not reliable benchmarks. TBH I don't take any of the benchmarks seriously, they are more for entertainment for me. But to each their own right?
Yeah some of the benchmark apps are a bit unreliable to say the least...
If I use one, I try to use ones that Anandtech uses. I trust them to find the better benchmark tools.
So I overclocked my GSII to 1.6Ghz, and ran benchmarks and it was blazing fast. So what's the point of overclocking other than running benchmarks? I'd rather not have my processor running at 1.6Ghz all the time and draining battery power. I actually prefer underclocking to save power. So my question is - how else can I benefit from overclocking my device?
yo whyd you put this in the dev section? get flame suit on brotha.
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Well its obviously to have your device performance better. Honestly it's not really practical to run higher than 1.2 ghz though.
You also put this in the wrong section. Prepare your anus.
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Well its obviously to have your device performance better. Honestly it's not really practical to run higher than 1.2 ghz though.
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But in what ways other than benchmarks? Am I really going to notice a difference if I kick it up to 1.4 or 1.6Ghz when browsing the web or playing Angry birds or something?
where is the download link and what does it do?
Some serious development going on here.. [\sarcasm\]
OP even if you crank it up to 1.6GHz, unless your isolating that step, your phones not using that clock speed unless your doing sh*t on your phone. It will increase how fast apps or menu's open navagating throughout the phone. Your making the CPU think faster so your phone ends up doing its tasks little and big ...faster
But dude.. Googling the benefits of OC could have giving you an answer ..and FASTER. Lol
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The benefits of overclocking you ask? Let me tell you just a few.
1. For every overclocked phone, one dollar is anonymously donated to poor and starving children, families, and college students across the world [citation needed].
2. Overclocking your phone emits a low frequency gamma wave inhibitor which in some cases, tested by prestigious scientists, has proven to protect you from harmful UV rays from the sun, nuclear fallout, increases neural synapse action in the brain, lowers bad cholesterol AND blood pressure, increases lifespan up to a minimum of three years, and is a natural antimicrobial agent that also interacts with your white blood cells to not only increase output and strength, but also breaks down the DNA rebuilding process by inhibiting protein synthesis in a wide variety of foreign microbes in your body.
3. Overclocking has been used to successfully treat sever depression, obesity, dementia, and AIDS.
4. With an overclocked phone, it's been observed waiting times for and inside elevators is severely decreased.
5. Bad driver? Accident prone? Overclocking has been shown to heighten driver awareness and overall skill.
6. It speeds up your phone on a day to day basis, with some, but not terribly noticeable battery drain [citation needed].
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Overclocking is entertaining. But I'm running the Unnamed rom on my device and have it UNDER clocked to 800mhz. Crazy good battery life and zero lag.
Overclocking is pointless as it runs everything great already. I'm waiting to overclock until my phone is outdated and my contracts about to expire.
While its rather easy to do there really isn't any benefit to overclocking the SGSII. Yes, it'll run a little faster and your Angry Birds might run smoother (really? ), but it'll also mean a little more heat and more battery drain all to accomplish something you really won't be able to get any real advantage from.
another reason to overclock would be bragging rights
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another reason to overclock would be bragging rights
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Only reason in my opinion lol...
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For this phone, it's pretty much useless. The phone runs great without the faster clock speeds.
On the other hand, if it was a snapdragon processor, you'd need 1.5 GHz just to be marketable next to this phone (and 1.8GHz to perform as well in day to day usage.)
One reason could be... Because we can!
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One reason could be... Because we can!
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haha ... love it!
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MattMJB0188 said:
So I overclocked my GSII to 1.6Ghz, and ran benchmarks and it was blazing fast. So what's the point of overclocking other than running benchmarks? I'd rather not have my processor running at 1.6Ghz all the time and draining battery power. I actually prefer underclocking to save power. So my question is - how else can I benefit from overclocking my device?
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Most people overclock for a smoother/snappier experience. I notice that roughly 20% increase in scrolling/tabbing around. Also you can think of it like this:
1.4ghz will finish tasks faster then 1.2, that way taking less battery. You could also undervolt that 1.4 to 1.2 (1275mV), so your finishing tasks quicker while draining no more then stock.
I switch between 1.4 and 1.0 every other day it seems. 2 months later, still looking for the right one for me. 1.6 should only be for benchmarking imo, epeen.
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1.4ghz will finish tasks faster then 1.2, that way taking less battery. You could also undervolt that 1.4 to 1.2 (1275mV), so your finishing tasks quicker while draining no more then stock..
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It's not that simple.
There are dozens of bottlenecks in these devices (and any other computer), and 9 times out of 10, it's NOT the processor. Persistant storage, RAM, bus speeds, etc - all those things will ensure that a 10% bump in processor speed will NOT give you a 10% decrease in run time for a given typical application. In many cases, you'll see no speed increase at all, as it takes the same amount of time to flush to persistant storage no matter how fast the write cache fills.
I'm not suggesting that a person shouldn't O/C, but don't be surprised when going from 1200MHz to 1400MHz makes no visible difference other than the battery draining slightly quicker.
I know someone is going to respond that the processor will bump back down to a slower speed and therefore it runs at the higher speed for less time, etc. However, unless you have the governor set to poll for usage so often that the governer is driving your clocks up to max, it's not going to poll often enough to make much (if any) difference.
Think of it this way: We both own a mustang, but mine is a V6 at 220HP and yours is a V8 at 300HP. In theory, yours can accel faster and maintain a higher top speed. In reality, neither one of us can go faster than the car in front of us (but you'll burn more gas doing it.) (Of course, you'll have more fun in yours.)
I hope this helps with a very common misconception.
Take care
Gary
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It's not that simple.
There are dozens of bottlenecks in these devices (and any other computer), and 9 times out of 10, it's NOT the processor. Persistant storage, RAM, bus speeds, etc - all those things will ensure that a 10% bump in processor speed will NOT give you a 10% decrease in run time for a given typical application.
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Very true. Also I am guessing in gaming, that OC will drain your battery quite well.
Consider I mostly do Web browsing on my phone (I need a tablet), 1.4 is a much better browser experience imo. Worth the 100mV.
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Think of it this way: We both own a mustang, but mine is a V6 at 220HP and yours is a V8 at 300HP. In theory, yours can accel faster and maintain a higher top speed. In reality, neither one of us can go faster than the car in front of us (but you'll burn more gas doing it.) (Of course, you'll have more fun in yours.)
I hope this helps with a very common misconception.
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Excellent analogy.
Sent from my Galaxy SII
While for now Overclocking is mainly just done for fun im hoping that closer to my upgrade time that i will be overclocking for more actical reasons. That is the way it was for my Captivate. I enjoy trying to push my hardware to its limits. Ive gotten my GSII so far to a stable 1700mhz but i think i can squeak out a little more speed especially with the gpu down clocked a little. I run it at 1400MHZ Though with the gpu forced at 267mhz.
I'm debating on taking back my device due to getting such low stock Quadrant scores. Around 850 stock on average.
What's everyone else getting? Am I the only one with such low scores? I appreciate any feedback!
Benchmarks are worthless in general, Quadrant is incredibly worthless because it doesn't break down the scores and is EASILY gamed.
For example, disabling per-file fsync on an ext4 system gains you 600 points or so instantly.
Enabling Stagefright on Samsungs gets you 500-1000 points but breaks media playback.
I'm not talking about using mods at all though. I'm just saying I'm getting half of what I've seen as the average STOCK 1Ghz score for this device. My 800 @ 1Ghz vs. others 1600-ish @ 1GHz. I just want to know if anyone else is getting around my scores (800ish) without mods.
What other devices?
I get about 1300-1400 stock...
Hi,
I just ran it on my (US/rooted) SGP5, and got 947.
I noticed that on the comparison graph, there's Samsung Galaxy S, that had slightly lower number ...
Jim
P.S. FYI, I used Fast Boot, to kill all processes, just before running the Quadrant test. I'm not sure if that affected anything.
BTW, Quadrant gives HEAVY weighting to file I/O scores - so Voodoo Lagfix-enabled devices and native-ext4 ones will smoke RFS devices.
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I get about 1300-1400 stock...
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Hi,
Wow! Do you know how you got such scores? What have you done to your device (and what is it)?
As I posted, I just got 947 on my SGP5. It's stock, other than being rooted.
Jim
Entropy,
Your completely missing my point... Here it is again. "My SGP5 is getting around 850~average scores on Quadrant stock, as in, in the state it was when I took it out of the box. Reviewers and other owners of this device are getting much higher quadrant scores with their STOCK devices as well.
When I overclock to 1.3GHz, I get around 1400 average while other SGP5's get around 2k+ at 1.3GHz. I just want to see how many are also experiencing such low scores as I am.
As I said, many of the reviewers online say that the SGP5 gets around 1400-1600 with Quadrant without any modifications or rooting. I get around 850. Please stop with the "Well Quadrant isn't accurate because, if you mod it like this.. you get this", I'll say it again, My. Device. Is. Stock. It's not modified, I didn't do anything to it to boost the score or lower it.
You're missing my point.
Quadrant is unreliable and inconsistent as hell. It can vary by hundreds of points from run to run, it's easily gamed, it will do weird unpredictable things if you look at it the wrong way. Plain and simple, it sucks and its results are utterly and completely worthless.
You ARE benchmarking with the CPU governor set to performance, right? Benchmarks with the governor in play are even more worthless and variable.
I just saw 600 points difference between two runs with the same kernel - 992 once, 1619 the next.
I've gotten consistent bench marking results every time, consistently low, but consistant.... Do you own a SGP and can say this from experience or just because you have a similar Android device? I actually own a SGP5 and haven't seen the "992 once, 1619 next" at all... I've never gotten above 1619 or ever had a jump of more than 100 on the same frequency.
Unless your testing this for yourself on the device in question, please stop once again...
Yes, I own an SGP 5. I unboxed it last night. I actually ran Quadrant again, 1700 the next time around. Just more evidence that it's crappy and meaningless. Benchmarks in general suck, but Quadrant is especially bad. At least Antutu is fairly consistent AND breaks out scores by category.
It's consistent with every other device I've ever owned - run-to-run variances of a few hundred points.
Note that over time, your scores will go down on this device because RFS sucks and becomes slower as it's used, and as I said, I/O performance is weighted HEAVILY.
RFS sucking is a known problem with old Samsungs, that's why Voodoo Lagfix exists.
Returning a device based on Quadrant scores is stupid on an epic scale given what a horrifically worthless and inconsistent benchmark it is...
Around 1300.
Heh, anyways.
What's Voodoo lagfix? And RTS? If you don't mind me asking, not familiar with those two. And so far it performs pretty well @ 1.5GHz with 2000+ quad scores, downloading Antutu now.
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Heh, anyways.
What's Voodoo lagfix? And RTS? If you don't mind me asking, not familiar with those two. And so far it performs pretty well @ 1.5GHz with 2000+ quad scores, downloading Antutu now.
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RFS is ? File System - it's some special Samsung file system that just kinda sucks.
ext4 is the current standard Android filesystem format, which is MUCH better.
(think of it as being like NTFS vs FAT on a PC)
Voodoo Lagfix is a set of initramfs scripts that automatically convert RFS partitions to ext4, improving read/write performance a lot.
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RFS is ? File System - it's some special Samsung file system that just kinda sucks.
ext4 is the current standard Android filesystem format, which is MUCH better.
(think of it as being like NTFS vs FAT on a PC)
Voodoo Lagfix is a set of initramfs scripts that automatically convert RFS partitions to ext4, improving read/write performance a lot.
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Ah interesting, I looked into the Lagfix; Think it would work the same for the SGP as it does for the galaxy?
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Ah interesting, I looked into the Lagfix; Think it would work the same for the SGP as it does for the galaxy?
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Yes - it's on my todo list once I get CWM to play nice.
As by the title, I get a low score on CleanROM 3.7 based on ICS 4.0.3. My result is just 1700. I haven't found any benchmark result based on this rom but I know that stock should get at least 2400-2600.
Has anybody benchmarked on CleanROM?
Why does it matter? Bragging rights, or pissing contest?
Actually the score doesn't really matter but I've noticed a slowdown after flashing CleanROM.
Haven't noticed any lag at all.
Have you benchmarked quadrant? Also, the slowdown is more noticeable when scrolling menus and some heavy designed websites.
I don't know why people bother with Quadrant, it doesn't work correctly on dual-core phones anyway.
Actually don't really bother on it. But, as I said started to be doubtful of some lags compared to the stock rom and I used quadrant just to create an idea if this was really the case.
By the way. Ver 2.0 is optimized for multicore phones.
Quadrant is a terrible benchmark.
Use Antutu.
Tryied Antutu and got 3387. Checked a bit around and found that a score of 5000-6000 should be normal.
Ok, rerun antutu after restarting the phone and got around 6200. What really bothers me is that even after killing all task and running any benchmark, I notice that scores are usually noticeable lower than on a first run after restarting. And more important, the phone is slower. Seems like services are still running and using available resources.
I use Advanced Task Killer by the way.
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I use Advanced Task Killer by the way.
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Don't ever, ever, ever use task killers on anything past Froyo.
They harm the phone and do not do anything, it's all placebo that it does.
There's countless threads about it.
Delete it.
Done. Thank's for informing. Now I'm asking myself why they are still some of the most downloaded apps on the market when 90% of Android are on GB and up.
Because a friend of friend told them long ago to get it.
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Imo the only benches I care about are GPU benches. Quadrant is utter garbage, remove it and do yourself a favor. Nenamark 1 / Nenamark 2 for GPU benching is nice.
well, scrosler puts fastboot in his rom, which kills all running tasks that are not core.
Myself, I'll occasional open System panel app if the phone is acting up. Very occasionally.
On cleanrom I haven't noticed any slowdows.