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So apparently the myTouch 3G is getting an official 2.2 Froyo update. If so, then what's stopping us from getting it? Correct me if I'm wrong but don't we have basically the same or better hardware than it? Or is it a choice of Verizon's whether or not to give us the update?
You can read more about the MT3G announcement here http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2010/06/mytouch-3g-will-see-2-2-soon-not-2-1/
average folks working for free in their spare time are going to take a lot longer then a group of 20 or so software developers at htc being paid full time. so... really chill out, the devs are doing the best they can.
it still is good news though, once it's released i dont think the devs will have any problem at all porting it over.
EDIT: okay, i might've jumped to the wrong conclusion after re-reading your post. I'm just so used to so much bad mouthing and drama that I guess I got carried away.
Anyway, Verizon is really slow at sending out updates. they constantly check and recheck and tell the companies to change so many things that it's really complicated to get them out as quick as t-mobile does. if HTC is making one for the MT3G (hero), there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they're working on one for the eris as well, they probably just havent announced it because they are waiting for verizon to greenlight it.
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average folks working for free in their spare time are going to take a lot longer then a group of 20 or so software developers at htc being paid full time. so... really chill out, the devs are doing the best they can.
it still is good news though, once it's released i dont think the devs will have any problem at all porting it over.
EDIT: okay, i might've jumped to the wrong conclusion after re-reading your post. I'm just so used to so much bad mouthing and drama that I guess I got carried away.
Anyway, Verizon is really slow at sending out updates. they constantly check and recheck and tell the companies to change so many things that it's really complicated to get them out as quick as t-mobile does. if HTC is making one for the MT3G (hero), there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they're working on one for the eris as well, they probably just havent announced it because they are waiting for verizon to greenlight it.
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I think Verizon will roll out the 2.2 by the end of Q3 seeing as the just popped the official 2.1 out(which from what i have seen is very buggy)
Even if they dont, when the official Froyo for 1.2/Fender is OTA'd the Eris port will fallow VERY shortly(since the 1.2 is basically and Eris in a Magic case)
BTW Hero CDMA=Sprints version of the Magic
Hero GSM= is Tmobile UK "G2"
Just sayin'
Lemcott said:
average folks working for free in their spare time are going to take a lot longer then a group of 20 or so software developers at htc being paid full time. so... really chill out, the devs are doing the best they can.
it still is good news though, once it's released i dont think the devs will have any problem at all porting it over.
EDIT: okay, i might've jumped to the wrong conclusion after re-reading your post. I'm just so used to so much bad mouthing and drama that I guess I got carried away.
Anyway, Verizon is really slow at sending out updates. they constantly check and recheck and tell the companies to change so many things that it's really complicated to get them out as quick as t-mobile does. if HTC is making one for the MT3G (hero), there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they're working on one for the eris as well, they probably just havent announced it because they are waiting for verizon to greenlight it.
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Yeah I wasn't badmouthing. I hate all the drama in these forums lately. I know the devs are working on a 2.2 port, but I was just stating that if the MT3G can get it what's stopping us from getting it? I'm hoping Verizon will greenlight it if they are working on a 2.2 update. And if they aren't we'll always have a dev who will make a rom for us.
2.2 will probably be available for rooted Eris within hours of source being posted, though I do hope Verizon doesn't drag their feet for the sake of those unwilling or unable to root.
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2.2 will probably be available for rooted Eris within hours of source being posted, though I do hope Verizon doesn't drag their feet for the sake of those unwilling or unable to root.
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Agreed. Plus I would think it'd be better to have the 2.2 that was made for the eris to make the rom, rather than just porting it so everything will work. Although it may be just as easy for some people.
2.2 will probably be available for rooted Eris within hours of source being posted, though I do hope Verizon doesn't drag their feet for the sake of t
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Agreed. Plus I would think it'd be better to have the 2.2 that was made for the eris to make the rom, rather than just porting it so everything will work. Although it may be just as easy for some people.
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I smell version 5 version 6 leaks coming soon from peoplethat work for htc
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From some articles I have read I'm pretty sure we will get an official 2.2 update. It was stated that the jit that is used in 2.2 will actually help to speed up older devices such as ours. So I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and if not then I hope that we get root for leak.
Will it be able to root from 2.1? Maybe get the leaked users out of the gutter?
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Will it be able to root from 2.1? Maybe get the leaked users out of the gutter?
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it's a real good chance that the hboot for a 2.2 rom will be a higher number, so IF verizon/htc go forward with a 2.2 update for the eris, and we can get it rooted? leakers might be able to root.
Lets hope so. I would so love to root my phone. No more jumping the gun for me. I'll be waiting for an official ota or root. No more leaks for me.
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So apparently the myTouch 3G is getting an official 2.2 Froyo update. If so, then what's stopping us from getting it? Correct me if I'm wrong but don't we have basically the same or better hardware than it? Or is it a choice of Verizon's whether or not to give us the update?
You can read more about the MT3G announcement here http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2010/06/mytouch-3g-will-see-2-2-soon-not-2-1/
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HTC Sense is stopping it. Number one reason why I cried when I found out the Nexus one wasnt coming to Big Red
Incredible users will get 2.2 soon enough, just like HTC EVO users.
SenseUI will be just fine with 2.2. Will JITs be modified or adapted for it?
Time will tell.
JIT's are exactly what make it so fast
So I have the HBOOT v 1.3 and I am wondering if there is any early knowledge of its value over 1.4?
This also makes me begin to wonder... is there going to be any benefit to waiting and getting S-OFF through HTC? Or is there going to be greater benefit to getting S-OFF through the dev community? I.E., does anyone anticipate that even with HTC flavor of S-OFF, that perhaps they could control things just a little bit? For example, even with S-OFF today on the 4G, we cannot downrev HBOOT after a certain number....
So... we can already see that even with S-OFF, they can restrict certain things.
Are there going to be similar restrictions? Should I ignore all update prompts as I am doing now?
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So I have the HBOOT v 1.3 and I am wondering if there is any early knowledge of its value over 1.4?
This also makes me begin to wonder... is there going to be any benefit to waiting and getting S-OFF through HTC? Or is there going to be greater benefit to getting S-OFF through the dev community? I.E., does anyone anticipate that even with HTC flavor of S-OFF, that perhaps they could control things just a little bit? For example, even with S-OFF today on the 4G, we cannot downrev HBOOT after a certain number....
So... we can already see that even with S-OFF, they can restrict certain things.
Are there going to be similar restrictions? Should I ignore all update prompts as I am doing now?
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If HTC gives us what they promised we will merely have a bootloader that is not cryptographically signed. That's it. No root. no s=off. Nothing else.
I think you are mistaken. They promised an UNLOCKED bootloader. Unlocked means that no S-CHECK is performed... which means that we can flash recoveries, custom roms, etc.
But... even with today's S-OFF EVO 4Gs, people are not able to flash the older HBOOTs... (not sure why). But this is more to what my question was about. There is an advantage to the ENG hboot on EVO 4Gs. But even with S-OFF, those units still have restrictions of no downrevs after 2.02 i think.
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I think you are mistaken. They promised an UNLOCKED bootloader. Unlocked means that no S-CHECK is performed... which means that we can flash recoveries, custom roms, etc.
But... even with today's S-OFF EVO 4Gs, people are not able to flash the older HBOOTs... (not sure why). But this is more to what my question was about. There is an advantage to the ENG hboot on EVO 4Gs. But even with S-OFF, those units still have restrictions of no downrevs after 2.02 i think.
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I hope I am mistaken, that would be fantastic.
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I hope I am mistaken, that would be fantastic.
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Dude... I know you are mistaken. It is all the talk these days... and there are links to HTC's official announcements. When I said "I think," I was just being polite. I really meant to say "I know."
But my original question still stands... anyone have any thoughts about that?
Since the HTC method will likely require that you void your warranty, it might be advantageous to get root under the radar if possible.
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Since the HTC method will likely require that you void your warranty, it might be advantageous to get root under the radar if possible.
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If HTC is willing to play ball on our terms I think it only fair that we play ball on their terms.
...even though I think it is ridiculous.
In fact, without access to a custom recovery and ability to flash whatever I want I'm afraid of screwing up my phone in a way that I can't fix.....someone had a thread earlier about setting 'compatibility mode' off in Spare Parts causing bootloops and a factory reset didn't fix it. I've been there before but I had multiple avenues of recourse...right now I would have nothing I could do to fix that.
Granted, I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with the problem, but, the point remains.
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Dude... I know you are mistaken. It is all the talk these days... and there are links to HTC's official announcements. When I said "I think," I was just being polite. I really meant to say "I know."
But my original question still stands... anyone have any thoughts about that?
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I've been following this pretty closely for, well, about a month now...I've never heard anything spelled out specifically detailing it in this way.
However I have wondered the entire time what "unlock" means to HTC. We were only asking for the bootloader to not be crypto-signed, though that still means that we need to find an exploit...meaning we asked for open access to...well...more hacking of their software? If they are willing to take the biggest block out of the way, why not the whole kit and kaboodle? So I could see them (rightly) interpreting all of the "unlock bootloadar" demands to mean "give us unrestricted access to everything we need", though the cynic inside me also considered that they would stick to only offering the most specific thing they could--what we asked for. If they are really going to crack these phones wide open for us that really is a monumental statement...it could very well change the direction of this industry (for the better...for the consumer)...
...though that would blow my mind.
Anyone who really wants S-off and root, should definately not take the OTA updates. I've been down this road in the past with other devices. I have a lot more faith in our dev community unlocking this phone then I do in HTC. Just my thoughts.....
Okay, so I've been with android since the G1, I've had a G2, and now I have the Amaze 4G, and with each new phone I've become more and more of a flashaholic. So I'm mostly familiar with the processes to root and flash android devices.
My issue is that I'm not familiar enough with what I'm actually doing to know whether or not I should go ahead and root my Amaze.
I've read through the discussions trying to make heads or tails of what the consequences are for doing it now instead of waiting, bit I'm not having much luck.
So, question: What exactly would I be giving up by rooting now vs waiting? I know it voids the warranty with htc, but does that also cause issues with my insurance plan from T-Mobile if I were to need a replacement? Will rooting now remove any chances of obtaining full s- off in the future?
Thanks for the help. I'm pretty sure this is my first post (lurker here) so if I'm in the wrong place or something, go easy on me. Haha.
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I'm waiting to see what is going to happen with s-off. I know it may take a while but will be worth it.
you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
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you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
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Woah wait. Everything I have seen seemed to say if you took the HTC DEV root method that you couldn't get S-OFF.
If I can do HTC Dev AND still get S-OFF, I'm sold....
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you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
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xboarder,
Please correct me if I'm wrong but, if someone uses the htcdev unlock but then in the future, a locked bootloader is needed for a S-OFF exploit, can't we use the RUU you posted in the dev forum to re-lock it?
I mean, it won't reset the warranty, but shouldn't it re-lock the bootloader?
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Woah wait. Everything I have seen seemed to say if you took the HTC DEV root method that you couldn't get S-OFF.
If I can do HTC Dev AND still get S-OFF, I'm sold....
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That was what I gathered as well. From reading all the posts I could find on it, everyone was saying something about S-Off and "Everything S-Off" were different things. Something about S-Off from the HTC unlocker only allows you to change roms and not kernels or radios or something. One guy (I can't find the post unfortunately) said that if you unlock it with the HTC tool, you will never be able to unlock it the rest of the way (everything s-off) so that you can customize the rest of the things. Then again though, I've seen others saying the opposite. Let me know if I'm not making sense. I can try to find the posts where I read this.
I'm not taking any chances.. I'll wait for s-off then root this bad boy.. so far I haven't had any problems with the stock Rom..
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You can relock I just figured this out a ruu can't be flashed unless you have a locked boot loader how you relock hmm
The relock zip I have so you can still get s off when it comes
And ps to the end users why you need s off any ways?
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Well I'm enjoying root personally.
IF I can't get full S-OFF because I unlocked the bootloader then that's what my insurance (not warranty) will be used for.
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you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
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Im not quite sure thats how it works, man, because if you officially void your warranty, Tmo and Assurion will know about that, make sure... i mean these are big companies that leave nothing to chance (especially insurance companies), so its a common sense to think that when it comes to the most expensive Tmo android smartphone right now, htc has a way of warning them about warranty voids! So even if you call saying youve lost it or got stolen, assurion may decline your request based on that... I wouldnt take the risk and will patiently wait till another way of unlocking the bootloader comes out, not involving htc... hopefully... you just keep up the great work, man, cheers!
Edit: Just found asurions insurance form, where under Exclusions says:
This insurance does not apply to loss or damage caused by or resulting from any of the following:
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i. Programming, Repair Work
Programming, cleaning, adjusting, repairing, modifying, or performing any other work upon Covered Property.
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http://www.phoneclaim.com/documents/MetroPCS/Terms-And-Conditions-New-York.pdf
Hope that sheds more light on this issue
My understanding, and maybe I'm being ubernoob, was that you needed to have S-OFF to COMPLETELY get rid of Sense. Beastmod comes close to the AOSP I want, but it still has the sense dialer and I hate it. (Unless I am misunderstanding and the sense dialer was included as a matter of preference, rather than necessity.)
Ideally, I'd like to be able to load Cyanogen if it ever becomes available but right now it's not that big of a deal. ICS would be nice, but that's so far down the line I'm not too concerned.
If I can get rid of ALL sense (maybe keep the camera apk), and have a stock, unmodified AOSP with no bloat, I'll be happy, but I don't want to jump on that if it screws my ability to flash CM.
U can still flash cm7 trust me and beastmod I tried a lot to get Sodom dialer but no able to would have to re do full framework but no source hard to redo framework
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Having been with android since the G1, the developers will kick ass and make anything possible.
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TheSneakerWhore said:
Having been with android since the G1, the developers will kick ass and make anything possible.
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I wonder what ever happened to superstars like JesusFreke and Haykuro?
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I wonder what ever happened to superstars like JesusFreke and Haykuro?
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They are around...just not like the old days. Still deving here and there.
\Fauk, I miss my G1.
\\Still have it, not so working anymore
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Well I'm enjoying root personally.
IF I can't get full S-OFF because I unlocked the bootloader then that's what my insurance (not warranty) will be used for.
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Good call - duh, why didn't I think of that? lol
I unlocked and rooted pretty much AS SOON as the threads were posted but then I read you would not be able to S-off. Kinda started sweating bullets because I know just being bootloader unlocked can limit how much you can modify/flash.
But "losing" my phone is doable lol if/when S-off is achieved and the htc dev unlock screwed us
So to answer the op's question - i LOVE my rooted Amaze. The two ROMs available by xboarder are awesome alternatives to stock and since you say you've had root before then you know all the cool things that come with the territory (removing bloat/crapware, root capable apps, etc)
Just do it already
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wow lol even in this thread I'm confused.
1. Is S-off method that is out now reversable?
2. Are current methods enough to have a full AOSP ICS rom?
The previous poster indicated sense remains in one way or the other with current method.
Ok... I have been completely out of the Android game for at least a couple months... (unless you count the occasional check to see if anything is happening on the AOSP front)
Now we have a new leak and new ROMs. Some new devs, some old devs. Though it seems Scott has moved on, or hasn't been paying enough attention to the rezound to know there is a new leak and he needs to update his ROMs.
So, a couple questions guys.
(this info has been difficult to find in the past for the rezound as its spread out too much with no central location to find latest info, unless that has changed recently)
New leak... So we are convinced this is the final version that will hit OTA? If so, Cool...
Are the newest radios any better/worth the change? (subjective for the most part I know) No compatibility issues with the different hboots? (GB vs ICS issues excluded)
I am using the Mod'ed ICS hboot that came with the S=off exploit the day ithe exploit was released. Have we gotten any better versions of Hboot yet? (like a real engineering ICS hboot or newer Mod'ed version?) Is the Mod'ed hboot worth keeping, or should I just use the latest stock version and be done with it?
Aroma? WTF is that... its a new thing for ROM installs but what is it? I found the code page for it, but way too much info, just looking for a summery. LOL I can understand the concepts and how it works, just don't throw too much jargon at me. Coding/software isn't my field. I'll stick with avionics.
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Ok... I have been completely out of the Android game for at least a couple months... (unless you count the occasional check to see if anything is happening on the AOSP front)
Now we have a new leak and new ROMs. Some new devs, some old devs. Though it seems Scott has moved on, or hasn't been paying enough attention to the rezound to know there is a new leak and he needs to update his ROMs.
So, a couple questions guys.
(this info has been difficult to find in the past for the rezound as its spread out too much with no central location to find latest info, unless that has changed recently)
New leak... So we are convinced this is the final version that will hit OTA? If so, Cool...
Are the newest radios any better/worth the change? (subjective for the most part I know) No compatibility issues with the different hboots? (GB vs ICS issues excluded)
I am using the Mod'ed ICS hboot that came with the S=off exploit the day ithe exploit was released. Have we gotten any better versions of Hboot yet? (like a real engineering ICS hboot or newer Mod'ed version?) Is the Mod'ed hboot worth keeping, or should I just use the latest stock version and be done with it?
Aroma? WTF is that... its a new thing for ROM installs but what is it? I found the code page for it, but way too much info, just looking for a summery. LOL I can understand the concepts and how it works, just don't throw too much jargon at me. Coding/software isn't my field. I'll stick with avionics.
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1) probably at least from what my sources tell me..but we never know
2)Theyre working great for me at least as far as ive tested on my sense 4 rom since 2 nights ago
3)its a mod installer not a rom installer.....the rom dev will include some mods and u will have the choice to install or not
lol wrong thread.
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lol wrong thread.
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trolololololol?
JoelZ9614 said:
trolololololol?
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Fat fingers brought me hear from a differend thread. Mods can delete my comments. Don't want to start anything here. :/
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Thanks Joel. Cleared up some stuff.
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
By the way, I would really like to thank the dev's for working so hard on the root and s-off. Its amazing what they've accomplished in such a short time.
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
Where can I go to see the dev threads for this stuff so that I can keep updated?
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I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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Worse case scenario, you will have to flash kernels through fastboot, and you will have limited access to /system. So yeah, we are all hoping for s-off, but we can still do quite a bit even if we are stuck with s-on.
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DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
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Didn't jcase say he wasn't involved with the people trying to get s off.
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Didn't jcase say he wasn't involved with the people trying to get s off.
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I don't believe he's working on it, but if it's close, or accomplished, he'll know about it.
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Where can I go to see the dev threads for this stuff so that I can keep updated?
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There's an inner circle working on S-OFF. You will not hear about it until it's done.
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Worse case scenario, you will have to flash kernels through fastboot, and you will have limited access to /system. So yeah, we are all hoping for s-off, but we can still do quite a bit even if we are stuck with s-on.
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We can already do quite a bit if you know the commands in adb.
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I don't believe he's working on it, but if it's close, or accomplished, he'll know about it.
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jcase is not working on S-OFF. The first few people he unlocked before public release are (these are the inner circle, if you will). He will certainly know when it's accomplished.
Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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The main things that we won't have is stuff like ad blocking apps, on the fly build.prop editing, the giant customization settings apps that many sense roms are coming with, etc etc
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The main things that we won't have is stuff like ad blocking apps...
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Adblock Plus just came out with a new app yesterday with enhanced features for rooted users: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.adblockplus.android
paulguy said:
Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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Funny....I remember a couple months ago when people were saying the exact same phrase in the d2vzw forums. We are all sharing the same optimistic thoughts.....but in the back of our minds, we all know its a load of sh*t.....we want s-off, trust me.
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I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
By the way, I would really like to thank the dev's for working so hard on the root and s-off. Its amazing what they've accomplished in such a short time.
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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Do not buy a device based on what may be possible in the future. Buy it based on what is possible now. If s-off is important to you, then you do not want the DNA at this time. If you can live with the limitations, then go for it, but be careful not to turn into one of the disgruntled owners because you really wanted s-off and believed the rumors that it is "coming soon".
The kernal flashboot problem has been bypassed on the EVO 4g LTE I'm sure the devs can make their kernals S-On friendly. As far as S-On vs S-Off on the EVO there isn't much except for flashing unsigned radios through the bootloader
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luigi311 said:
The kernal flashboot problem has been bypassed on the EVO 4g LTE I'm sure the devs can make their kernals S-On friendly. As far as S-On vs S-Off on the EVO there isn't much except for flashing unsigned radios through the bootloader
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there are significant differences on this phone between dev unlocked and s-off (for those on pre release units that were lucky enough)
kernels: atm, s-off can flash in recovery, unlock in hboot (yes scripts can be done, but still)
radios: no-go on dev unlock, yes on s off
reverting to older RUU's: well none exist currently, but s off can, dev unlock cant
splash images: cosmetic, sure...but not possible on dev unlock
updating/reverting other firmware: only possible to update through a signed RUU for non s-off folks...s off folks can revert or update with just parts of the RUU that are extracted
/system access: only possible in recovery for those with dev unlock, s off can access it in android....this might not seem like a big deal to the average user...but for devs?, pretty horrid....for example, if i want to mod Rosie for some reason (landscape, app drawer, cosmetic, whatever) typically i can just adb push the apk and test it....now i'll have to boot to recovery, push the apk, reboot to android to test it (a lot more time consuming and annoying)
Dri94 said:
DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
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I have nothing to do with s-off. I'd wait for hyuh and/or fuses to say something.
I really wouldn't buy a phone based on what you're hoping for. If s off is that important for you, I wouldn't buy it. All that does is lead to a lot of disappointments and complaining honestly. I see a whole lot of posts and entire threads on the forums where people are posting complaints about model xyz phone not having updates fast enough or not being s off, not having a different OS/UI working without bugs yet, things like that.
Buying something on hopes and dreams is a mistake in my opinion, and if fastboot flashing kernels and not having splash screens is important to you, I would buy a different phone now and get the DNA after it's s off. Any rumors or speculation that you hear is just that. The guys who are really working on it wont be posting about it much because even in a best case scenario, things change mid development as progress is made.
CharliesTheMan said:
I really wouldn't buy a phone based on what you're hoping for. If s off is that important for you, I wouldn't buy it. All that does is lead to a lot of disappointments and complaining honestly. I see a whole lot of posts and entire threads on the forums where people are posting complaints about model xyz phone not having updates fast enough or not being s off, not having a different OS/UI working without bugs yet, things like that.
Buying something on hopes and dreams is a mistake in my opinion, and if fastboot flashing kernels and not having splash screens is important to you, I would buy a different phone now and get the DNA after it's s off. Any rumors or speculation that you hear is just that. The guys who are really working on it wont be posting about it much because even in a best case scenario, things change mid development as progress is made.
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Sir, your logic is NOT welcome here!
nitsuj17 said:
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/system access: only possible in recovery for those with dev unlock, s off can access it in android....this might not seem like a big deal to the average user...but for devs?, pretty horrid....for example, if i want to mod Rosie for some reason (landscape, app drawer, cosmetic, whatever) typically i can just adb push the apk and test it....now i'll have to boot to recovery, push the apk, reboot to android to test it (a lot more time consuming and annoying)
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Just to add, you can push and test, but it'll revert back on reboot. Did so many times already
QD2DC said:
Just to add, you can push and test, but it'll revert back on reboot. Did so many times already
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Is anyone able to remove bloatware from their DNA? This revert back issue with s-on seems to prevent it.
You have to unlock it, install a recovery, root it, and you can install a debloated stock Rom or a custom Rom.