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Hi All,
I came across a few articles online that suggest that the task managers/killers actually do more harm than good. As far as I know, the Android OS is pretty good at multitasking and managing apps when it is needed to free RAM/CPU.
Would like to hear input specifically regarding the X10 and how these apps affect the system and/or phone specially after the 2.1 update?
Thanks!
Well aince I got to 2.1 Ive havent found the need to download a task killer. Its been stable with 100-140mb constant no matter how many apps I open. But in 1.6 I was getting 20mb if I didnt use task killer lol im guessing the need for task killer as the os upgrades gets less and less as 2.2 really gets ****ed by it lol
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I've read online about how closing some apps such as mediascape will affect your other media applications cos these services are tied together. But I've always killed all of the ones I don't see myself needing in the next hour or so, and nothing's ever really crashed for me heh.
But I do make it a point to close all apps before running quadrant. Very very pleased with my 730 score
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Well aince I got to 2.1 Ive havent found the need to download a task killer. Its been stable with 100-140mb constant no matter how many apps I open. But in 1.6 I was getting 20mb if I didnt use task killer lol im guessing the need for task killer as the os upgrades gets less and less as 2.2 really gets ****ed by it lol
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Dumb question, how do you check the RAM?
Best get something like autokiller memory optimizer.
You generally don't need much ram free and if you don't use apps that will eat the hell out of your system in the bg then there's no problem at all.
I haven't used a task killer since switching to 2.1 and there's no performance problems.
I still facing ram problem even after upgrade 2.1, hope no need any task killer anymore once we get 2.2
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gaolinde said:
I still facing ram problem even after upgrade 2.1, hope no need any task killer anymore once we get 2.2
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Not sure if the X10 will get 2.2. Looks like 2.1 is the end of the road for us.
By automatism, after I updated to 2.1 I installed advanced task killer, and at one point I noticed that, whean I had killed apps ammount of free RAM decereased ? So at that point, I uninstalled task killer to check will I notice any change in performance, and there was NONE I could notice, together with same battery duration.
So, so far I vote for no task killers.
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Not sure if the X10 will get 2.2. Looks like 2.1 is the end of the road for us.
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come on we have 2.2 custom rom on the way.
and good new is i just tested the custom room it appeared froyo managed ram really well, i launched a ton of software and still having more than 100mb of free ram.
gaolinde said:
come on we have 2.2 custom rom on the way.
and good new is i just tested the custom room it appeared froyo managed ram really well, i launched a ton of software and still having more than 100mb of free ram.
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Yeah I know we have custom ROMs. I was referring to the official update from SE. I know we will get the UXP update sometime in the future but, not sure if they will go as far as releasing a 2.2 update for the X10?
I don't use it anymore since on 2.1, when using it on 2.1 there's a lot of glitches and it DOES do more harm than good. I get better overall performance without it.
I use it, facebook, skype start by themselves and drain my battery
alankstiyo said:
I use it, facebook, skype start by themselves and drain my battery
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Yes but, according to Android developers, 2.1 automatically closes these idle programs to prevent that. They claim that android is capable of handling this and that any task manger apps are useless.
Read this article http://androinica.com/2010/05/07/go...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
Since upgrade to 2.1, I installed Task Killer. It cleaned my memory to have available mem from 80MB to 150MB. However, it got some weired behaviour such as
- X10 got lag for a moment when the screen is just back on.
- when the screen is just back on, Wifi cannot reconnect. I have to disable and enable it again.
So I read to post of Android multitasking and I try it by disable AutoKill but keep the widget on the sceen to see the available mem.
My mem keep available around 70-80MB and X10 performance is increase. No more lag or have to re-enable wifi after screen is back on.
I already remove Taskkiller but installed Watchdog instead. Because there are some bad coding software out there which comsume the battery and CPU even you've exited. In such a case, I have to kill those apps manually.
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X10i Generic Android 2.1, rooted, JIT enable.
You want the memory to be as full as possible!!! This means that those often used tasks are there, waiting. This is not Windows! Stop forcing Android to reload everything from scratch! No wonder things are lagging for you.
I've done many experiment about it.
Here's few conclusion, everything you guys claims are all true.
Android is nix base, fulfilling ram mean more cache, more speed.
However, more process mean more CPU usage in some service.
Some softwares are not properly coded, it, unfortunately, doesn't release the resource when it exits
And it's also true that force killing it, will eat more battery because without properly closing, it will eventually open up again
I suggest, instead of killing a task using ATK.
try this one.
http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller
It teaches android how to deal with the memory, so it's android who do your dirty job.
Hmm.... I take a look at at autokiller. I think it's better to let Android handle the mem for me. What I'm looking for is an apps that monitor backgound processes/apps that consumes CPU and memory which they should not.
Once identify those apps, I need to kill them individually.
Watchdog paid version suits me well on this purpose. I can put those apps in the blacklist. If they consumes more CPU in the background process, Watchdog will kill them automatically.
I may consider autokiller when I have of low memory warning from my X10 which is currently I have not.
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X10i Generic Android 2.1, rooted, JIT enabled.
I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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Try install these app
1. RamDroid
2. Advance Task Killer- set the killing frequency to 'switch screen off'
3. CpuTuner (setcpu)- i prefer use the 'ondemand' frequency cos i wan to conserve battery.
all free app.. and need rooted phones. it quite user friendly. jus play with it awhile, u'll know how to use.
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I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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I'm using minfreemanager from market with aggressive option, what gives me ~70MB free RAM by the Android's native taskkiller. It's the best choice as of the 2.1 have a lot services running in backround and nobody should harm them.
Trust me, minfreemanager is your weapon against slowness
OKay, so this is my first android phone, coming from an Iphone 4 and let me tell you im about 80% disappointed.
Here are some problems im having, im hoping that you can help me turn that 80 into a 20.
1. Apps just randomly run in the background: I'll close all but my live background, my task manager and my alarm clock and go to sleep. When I wake up almost EVERY SINGLE app I have is running in the background. Why? How do I stop this, the Iphone never did this, I feel this is a hard fail on androids part.
2. Many apps force close while im trying to use them: Ive tried stock rom, and serenity 8, same apps same issues. Its becoming a turn off to use the phone for any apps.
3. Multitasking: Is there any? MOST of the time when I switch apps and "multitask" its just like having the app open at the start page, I dont have to reload the app but its not where I last left it like the Iphone. Even on web pages I find if I switch out of the web and go to another app if I return to the web im back at my home page and I have to go to my history just to get back where I was. Is there a way for me to fix this?
4: Ram usage: when I turn my phone off, then on I see 150 in the used ram. This number raises even with out opening any apps. I kill all apps and close all running programs I see nothing running except services and it raises as high as 600 mb with 0 apps open and nothing running except a live background and the task manager. My iphone never had a memory leak, how do I fix this? 600 mb to do nothing is a bit excessive.
As a software developer im really confused as how Google tricked everyone that android was good. Perhaps Im just uninformed and that is why I am here. I am wondering why there would be all these problems right out of the box on an item that is what 4th 5th generation? These are problems that shouldnt be as frequent in 1st and 2nd generations. Any help would be wonderful thank you.
1. this question has been asked a million times. In short, the Android OS handles memory much different than you'd expect. An app will appear as running after you close it but it may not be. Android just keeps that memory allocated to that app in case you need to use it again. But if the OS needs that memory for something else, it will release it from that app and use it for something else.
2. what apps FC on you?
3. i'll leave this for someone else to explain because I dont use the browser much so I dont have much experience with that.
4. this goes along with my answer for #1. Android OS likes to have its memory allocated but it doesnt mean those apps are running.
I might be a little off on my explanation so I'll leave it to the experts to clarify but i'm pretty sure i'm fairly accurate.
1/4 - Not deficiencies, Android is designed that way. If an app is resident in memory, it is more readily accessible. Some badly written apps DO more than just sit there in the task list - but most are OK. Sitting in memory is not bad - holding a wakelock or showing up in your battery usage is.
2 - No clue - not having this problem here. I haven't seen an FC in a few weeks, and the last one was my own fault. What apps?
3) This depends on the app. However, usually the browser returns to wherever I last was when I use it. In fact I wish it were easier to "go home"...
3) Matter of using the right button. Close the app with the home button, and restart it where it left off. Back out of the app with the back button, and start over.
List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
i really dont know what to tell you about the FC's because none of those FC on me ... whether I was stock or not. That just doesnt sound right. If you're stock, it shouldn't be FC'ing at all. I can understand if you're rooted and running S8 or some other ROM. Maybe something happened during the flash but stock should be fine.
I'm also trying out the browser on my phone and if I load a random website, go home, open another app and go back to the browser, its still on the last page I viewed.
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List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
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If you're swithing from app to app, and want to do it more quickly, hold the home button for a few seconds (pretty much anywhere, no need to go 'home' first). It will open up a list of the last 6 apps you've used. Pretty sure from the point you left off.
holding the home button does work pretty well, although sometimes it does not have the last couple apps I was using, mainly Go SMS pro. I am currently running S8 thought it was stable, guess i'll reflash and give this another go for a week, if not then its return to the IP and trade this back for the 4s. Thanks for the help!
Any suggestion on what rom to flash to?
Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
Chase
email
Gmail
maps
market
netflix
web
I'm running Serendipity 8.1 and do not have any problems with these apps from your list. You may need to re-flash.
Edit: what Entropy said.
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holding the home button does work pretty well, although sometimes it does not have the last couple apps I was using, mainly Go SMS pro. I am currently running S8 thought it was stable, guess i'll reflash and give this another go for a week, if not then its return to the IP and trade this back for the 4s. Thanks for the help!
Any suggestion on what rom to flash to?
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any of them are good but I personally use UnNamed. You really should wipe your phone first. Thats probably why you have so many FC's. When you flash a new rom, make sure you do NOT restore system apps via Titanium Backup (if thats what you use).
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Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
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i think thats exactly what happened because having that many FC's is not normal .
DKS1282 said:
List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
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To switch between running apps all you have to do is long press the home button - one press to see the last six open apps and your there.
Having the browser return to the home page every time just means you don't know what you are doing.
Being concerned about what is being held in ram its also a sign you don't know what you are doing. The memory chip where the ram resides, where you see a list of apps being held has to remain powered on all the time. Whether it is holding 250 MB of data, 500 MB of data or just 10 MB of data it will still be drawing the same amount of power. And just because an apps data is being held in ram does not necessarily mean it is running. Top see what us running you need to check cpu usage.
The only time to concerned about ram is if more than 85% is being used then you would start having problems. But this does not happen on our phones, and only would happen if you had something causing a major memory leak.
All of your force closes are related to you or your particular phone. I have maybe five fc's in a month and three of those happened while I was running cm7.
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Lot of user error here. I'm on the stock ROM with root.
Switch apps quickly by holding home.
If you use the back button to exit an app then you truly are exiting the app. Use home if you want it to start running.
Don't worry about ram usage. This device has 1GB and Android manages it very well without you ever having to worry.
I never have force closes unless it's the developers issue. If you're running from backed up apps then you can expect to have FCs. Install from fresh if you try a new ROM.
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I think the main reason the op is having his browser reset most of the time is because the op is using some kind if task killer. This task killer is also probably the cause of a significant portion of the fc's being experienced.
There should be a forum rule against people who run task killers then complain about fc's, laggy apps, and problems with multitasking.
I mean it should be obvious running a "task killer" on a device designed specifically to multitask - it is so silly. Look at the two phrases side by side "task killer" "multitasking device" - can you see what I mean.
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dayv said:
To switch between running apps all you have to do is long press the home button - one press to see the last six open apps and your there.
Having the browser return to the home page every time just means you don't know what you are doing.
Being concerned about what is being held in ram its also a sign you don't know what you are doing. The memory chip where the ram resides, where you see a list of apps being held has to remain powered on all the time. Whether it is holding 250 MB of data, 500 MB of data or just 10 MB of data it will still be drawing the same amount of power. And just because an apps data is being held in ram does not necessarily mean it is running. Top see what us running you need to check cpu usage.
The only time to concerned about ram is if more than 85% is being used then you would start having problems. But this does not happen on our phones, and only would happen if you had something causing a major memory leak.
All of your force closes are related to you or your particular phone. I have maybe five fc's in a month and three of those happened while I was running cm7.
Just because you don't know how to use a device does not make the device a general fail. Let's put the blame where it belongs, on the guy who has no understanding on what is going on with the processes in the device and drawing conclusions on based on an obviously ignorant perception those observations.
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I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
jmj12us said:
I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
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Not that I know of. There are little tricks like that and a good majority of people would never know of them I'm afraid.
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I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
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Samsung has a tips and tricks page specifically for the AT&T GS2 that may show you some things you didn't know. One thing I didn't know was that you can take a screenshot with stock by pressing the power button and the home button at the same time. I also didn't know you can access the clipboard to show everything you "copied" from text fields.
http://www.samsung.com/us/article/tips--tricks-galaxy-s-ii-at-t-
As far as the OP's issues, I have all of those apps except for chase and hootsuite installed on stock and I don't FC at all. For the browser concerns, you may just be opening a new window each time you run the browser from the app icon. Try zooming all the way out of the page and then pinch to zoom out once more and it will show you the windows you have open, or you can press the menu key and select windows. The icon for "windows" in the menu will have a number on it if you have more than one open.
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Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
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Number 1... I didnt do that. I didnt think I had to off of a stock rom, but your right, I should have.
Thread cleaned... Please do not make me have to do so again. This forum is for friendly discussion.. Lets keep it that way.
edit --- I see Devine madcat is pushing back to topic
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I don't know what the deal is but this is continually happening to me and across different roms. I am using the built in "Task Manager" feature of touchwiz to monitor what processes are using my cpu. I am finding that some things are sitting there using between 15-45% cpu at all times even when in the background. For example:
Today right before my lunch I checked the task manager, I stared at it for 2 minutes to make sure there was no cpu activity, when I saw that everything looked to me normal I clocked out for my lunch and left work. By the time I was done eating (my phone had been in my pocket the entire time by the way) I checked my phone to see what time it was and noticed that I had lost about 12% battery life in 30 minutes. I immediately opened task manager and found that Browser was in the red and running at a constant 45% cpu usage. I immediately exited the browser. I find that this is happening with other apps as well.
What could be causing this? And more importantly will ICS fix it?
Interesting. Browsers are always killing it for me.
For example I use Dolphin Browser. The ad-dons like Google services and tab switcher kill battery like a mother and also put a ton of CPU stress on the processor.
Only thing I can say is make sure to close out all apps because apps running in a background may run rampant.
Yeah that shouldn't be happening.
I do hope a feature is implemented into android to have a 'do not run list' unless opened by user.
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Interesting. Browsers are always killing it for me.
For example I use Dolphin Browser. The ad-dons like Google services and tab switcher kill battery like a mother and also put a ton of CPU stress on the processor.
Only thing I can say is make sure to close out all apps because apps running in a background may run rampant.
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What I've resorted to is closing all web pages when im done and backing out of apps that I know have started to run out of control sometimes. There has to be an easier way though.
What about times like today when im researching something and have to run out for lunch and just throw my phone in my pocket with 8 browser windows open? I have to go back and find all the pages because I had to close them all out in fear that my battery would drain?
There has to be a better way. I switched to android bevaseu of the horrible memory management apple has. I would hate to leave android beacuse it couldnt control backgournd processes and let my battery be destroyed.
Memory management is good on these phones. Bad memory management causes slow downs.
What you're looking for is app management. I know some may jump on the me for saying anything about a task manager, but you might want to try one out.
Though I'd only recommend using it for the programs you're having issues with. Set it to 'only' kill the problem apps. Not any other apps or system processes.
What browser are you using? If it's happened across multiple roms, it may be an issue with that browser. Better to treat the problem (the app) than the symptom (battery getting drained)
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Memory management is good on these phones. Bad memory management causes slow downs.
What you're looking for is app management. I know some may jump on the me for saying anything about a task manager, but you might want to try one out.
Though I'd only recommend using it for the programs you're having issues with. Set it to 'only' kill the problem apps. Not any other apps or system processes.
What browser are you using? If it's happened across multiple roms, it may be an issue with that browser. Better to treat the problem (the app) than the symptom (battery getting drained)
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Well see its happening with the same apps across different roms so I know its either an android problem or a touchwiz problem. Can you reccomend any apps that will auto close apps if they start using too much CPU or an app that would allow auto kill on exit? Thank you.
There's not any apps like that, at least yet. Task killers kill whether the app is using alot of cpu or not.
What apps are causing you issues? Have you compared what apps you have on your phone to entropy512's thread about known battery drainers?
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There's not any apps like that, at least yet. Task killers kill whether the app is using alot of cpu or not.
What apps are causing you issues? Have you compared what apps you have on your phone to entropy512's thread about known battery drainers?
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I remember seeing that thread somewhere before but don't know how to find it again.
Can you reccomend any task killer apps?
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My favorite with my captivate was auto task manger. When you first open it, it tries to get you to update but the update is garbage.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mizusoft.autotaskmanager&hl=en
I haven't used one with my sgs II. Hasn't needed one so far.
Here's a link to the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308030
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My favorite with my captivate was auto task manger. When you first open it, it tries to get you to update but the update is garbage.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mizusoft.autotaskmanager&hl=en
I haven't used one with my sgs II. Hasn't needed one so far.
Here's a link to the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308030
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Thank you, I will read through this.
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I've noticed that on my Nokia Lumia 800, you can not exit programs or close them down, its seems i can only press back or the windows button.
Are these now running in the background and causing my battery to suffer?
If so are there any sort of task killers or enders.
Also 2 other issues i've noticed are that when i ring people my phone just goes black and does not give me a key pad any sort of button to end the call.
Also when i play my music, it does not have a stop button just a pause, and when i exit it just starts playing from paused. Only time i can get it to stop is when i turn my phone off/on.
Any feedback will help greatly.
WP7 has no real multitasking. So even if an app is "open" in the background it is paused and won't do anyting. Except spotify and the music app that can run in the background.
Task killers is an evil thing on Android and so would be on windows phones. They are not needed as the system handles these things better themselves.
If the screen is black after a call, press power button and it will light up. This is a bit buggy, to end calls at times. Usually I just wait till the other person ends the call so it quits automatically.
This isn't android. There's no need to worry about apps once you exit them, or worry about the music player. If it isn't playing then it isn't doing anything.
That's one of the joys of iOS and WP7. You do what you need to do and never have to worry about what the phone is doing. What's the point of a phone where you need to constantly worry about task killing?
Boburto said:
This isn't android. There's no need to worry about apps once you exit them, or worry about the music player. If it isn't playing then it isn't doing anything.
That's one of the joys of iOS and WP7. You do what you need to do and never have to worry about what the phone is doing. What's the point of a phone where you need to constantly worry about task killing?
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So true. I hated that about Android. Most tasks that kept starting were things I never wanted to use. Had to use Titanium Backup to freeze them. What a pain.
anseio said:
So true. I hated that about Android. Most tasks that kept starting were things I never wanted to use. Had to use Titanium Backup to freeze them. What a pain.
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Yeah, but when I had Android, all I can say is Thank God for Titanium Backup! I wish we had the equivalent on WP7 - would be nice for the few times I've had to reset my Lumia..
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Yeah, but when I had Android, all I can say is Thank God for Titanium Backup! I wish we had the equivalent on WP7 - would be nice for the few times I've had to reset my Lumia..
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There is a backup for windows phone. It's in the WP7 section of this forum. I've used it before. It backs up the entire phone. (i'd have to search for it)
Yes. Wp7 is in serious needs of a real backup/restore solution.
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Yeah, but when I had Android, all I can say is Thank God for Titanium Backup! I wish we had the equivalent on WP7 - would be nice for the few times I've had to reset my Lumia..
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Had an opportunity to encounter the main guy behind the Windowsphonehacker. I think his id is Jaxbot or something liek that.
He said that Chevron will open up shortly and that we could all unlock our devices from there. Now that he got a developer device from Nokia he is also doing hacks with it. The latest being global orientation lock.
I am just waiting for Chevron to start off again.
Hey, where here everyone hating android....
After android 2.2, there is no need of task killers..
I think you guys haven't tried android 2.2 or 2.3
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nexus2515 said:
Hey, where here everyone hating android....
After android 2.2, there is no need of task killers..
I think you guys haven't tried android 2.2 or 2.3
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Coming from 2.3.5 and 2.3.7 I can say that a task killer was necessary. Processes opened up and did whatever they wanted whenever. I had to freeze a few things in Titanium Backup and then set a whole bunch others to autokill. It's annoying that apps can up and do whatever they want whenever they want on the Android OS.
nexus2515 said:
Hey, where here everyone hating android....
After android 2.2, there is no need of task killers..
I think you guys haven't tried android 2.2 or 2.3
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That's just not true. The resource management on Android is problematic. The problem isn't that apps I'm using and switching between are still using resources in the background. If I opened an app and I expect it to still do something, that's fine. The problem is that after an hour or two, if you check any task manager, a ton of apps are listed as running.
You can say these apps aren't really running all the time and are frozen, but they were running at some point without me starting them. These apps do take resources, drain battery and make the phone's performance crap. Everytime I would kill those tasks, the phone would be snappy again. Setting a task killer to automatically kill these apps once an hour, increases battery life.
on ios and windows phone, only one app is really running and the others are suspended. There are a few exceptions (like music players)
on windows phone, you can completely control which apps are allowed to work in the background and start on their own and the OS controls when these apps can run to perform some operation and devs are very limited in what they can do. so apps don't start on their own without the user being able to control that and apps don't stay running in the background forever without the user ever knowing about it
nexus2515 said:
Hey, where here everyone hating android....
After android 2.2, there is no need of task killers..
I think you guys haven't tried android 2.2 or 2.3
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are you kidding me????
once i had adds on my taskbar due to some auto start app.
adempozhari said:
are you kidding me????
once i had adds on my taskbar due to some auto start app.
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I'm sorry, but if you actually use an app that uses AirPush ads, it's your fault.
Never ever support developers that use this useless piece of crap ad service.
I happen to know a thing or two about mobile development (not only Android but also iOS and WP7) and they are all designed to not have to care about task killers.
Also, if someone really has to bash an OS because of problem X or Y, take a look at how the system works and realize that everything is perfect (for example, Android keeps the VM running to make the app start up faster, but as long as no code has to run through, the VM is just sitting there. Why have all the RAM if you're not using it?)
Please guys, start to read things up if you have no clue. Nobody should have to care about task killers at all and that's what ALL of our current mobile OS's are designed for. Start to develop apps for every single OS if you really want to brag about restrictions and design problems.
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I'm sorry, but if you actually use an app that uses AirPush ads, it's your fault.
Never ever support developers that use this useless piece of crap ad service.
I happen to know a thing or two about mobile development (not only Android but also iOS and WP7) and they are all designed to not have to care about task killers.
Also, if someone really has to bash an OS because of problem X or Y, take a look at how the system works and realize that everything is perfect (for example, Android keeps the VM running to make the app start up faster, but as long as no code has to run through, the VM is just sitting there. Why have all the RAM if you're not using it?)
Please guys, start to read things up if you have no clue. Nobody should have to care about task killers at all and that's what ALL of our current mobile OS's are designed for. Start to develop apps for every single OS if you really want to brag about restrictions and design problems.
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Ok, this is great and all that no one should have to think about task killers, but the obvious truth is that Android allows things to run whenever they damn well want to.
For example: Google Books likes to run in the background. Why? I don't use it. I don't want it. Yet, it still does what it wants to.
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Ok, this is great and all that no one should have to think about task killers, but the obvious truth is that Android allows things to run whenever they damn well want to.
For example: Google Books likes to run in the background. Why? I don't use it. I don't want it. Yet, it still does what it wants to.
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The virtual machine is just sitting there, doing nothing. It helps speed up restarting the app in case it has been wiped off the memory. The VM still is in RAM, but no execution is happening as long as you start the app up again. Also, it might be itting in the background, doing nothing, waiting for the Google services to trigger a sync, in case a new book has been added to your library. If you have sync disabled in your account settings then it's just sitting there doing absolutely nothing and will finally be just wiped off the memory itself in case an app needs the resources.
With task killers, you kill a lot of apps that are flagged as "Don't kill me, I'll reapper as soon as possible", causing more trouble because the whole VM process has to be restarted, the app has to be reinitiated, code has to be reexecuted etc. That's the perfect way of working against how an operating system works.
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it's important to note that there are 2 different things being discussed here:
1) Cached tasks that are suppose to not cause any lag, but do. We know this because we see immediate lag fixes after killing cached tasks but not services.
2) Services that are unnecessary, such as Google Books and Fring.
I think there's a reason why Apple chooses to disallow multitasking even if it's a quintessential as playing a tune while browsing on the iPad in 2012 - it may be a crude solution but it's simple.
Personally I'm tied to a battery hog app due to social means, so I'm looking for an automated service killer for Fring.
There is also the 3rd accusation
3) that the service 'Android OS' in ICS 4.0.3 causes drain in some circumstances for some people who have installed apps but also ruled out (1) & (2)... possibly wake lock related even though there should be no wake locks.
People rarely disagree on things enough to argue unless they're actually talking about different things without noticing. So be sure to clarify which of these 3 wakelock related things you are talking about to keep everyone sweet.
The best of course is to blank everything and start again for testing but failing that use a wake lock measuring app. Can anyone recommend one for me?
-j
Do we need them?
Newer phones has them build in their firmware and have more memory
But the 2010 models like the Htc desire etc needs those cleaning tools
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pressytcn said:
Newer phones has them build in their firmware and have more memory
But the 2010 models like the Htc desire etc needs those cleaning tools
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I herd that it slows your phone because you kill like chunks of the android software and you make it load back up again so its slower and makes your battery die quicker.
I can't explain in technical terms, but basically the Android OS is different than say Windows on your PC, where you don't really want to have a bunch of processes running in the background. It actually optimizes performance to have it loaded in the memory, and by killing it you only make your phone work that much harder to either load it when you want to use it, or when it continues to load itself into the memory a short time later.
When I first got my smartphone, someone recommended Advanced Task Killer to me as a battery saving tool, but I never noticed any improved battery life. If anything, the constant checking and killing of tasks made me use the phone more and drained the battery faster.
I'm using go launcher and it has the option of killing running tasks, and once you do, you can leave the phone untouched and come back to it 20 mins later, all those programs are back up and running, so I don't even bother with killing them, just leave it all running. I've never noticed an improvement with battery life either, or noticed any lag with a bunch of apps running in the background.
Best thing you can do is debloat, that way there are fewer apps running, that you don't need anyway.
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Best thing you can do is debloat, that way there are fewer apps running, that you don't need anyway.
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First off most task killers are just bs.
The real way to stop tasks from sucking up your memory and or slowing your phone is exactly what andy said.
Dl titanium back up pro, and "freeze" or (with caution of course)
Remove them.
Most apps restart any ways so it a waste.
Check your permissions, see what your also are doing im the background, and shut off what you don't like or want.
I use go launcher/locker(sorry about my lil ics joke...lol) as well and that task killer is just like the others...worthless. lol.
I have found that the task killer by gannicus is ok, but again what's the point when **** just reboots ..
Hope that helps
Well, I use htcs task manager to close the browser because if even if you click back to exit it, it still stays open, but that's pretty much it
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I use
1. Go launcher which is instead of sense
2. Go TaskManager widget. it is awesome.
3. root uninstaller to delete the crap.
4. Autorun manager to stop the apps that I don't need them to run when I reboot.
5. There is another one is more simple than the first one . it's startup manager
Note: 3,4, and 5 starts when you reboot so to stop that use Autorun manager to stop startup manager and use startup manager to stop Autorun manager and root uninstaller.
Sometimes you don't like some apps to be deleted but they are annoying because they start with the system, so use 4 and 5
I use both of them because each one has its own ability.
Do Not Shut the apps that are important to not brick your phone.
Use it on your own risk
I can explain in technical terms...you should never use them...task killers kill tasks which android OS will spend time restarting, by doing this, your battery and CPU will get used more and you will actually find your phone laggier and running out of battery faster....
I have lots of applications on my phone that need to have their permissions modified...
But I use them to see what crapware is starting itself for no good reason.. Sorry deja but if your app loss itself for more than 2 minutes twice a day?... It's crapware...
My phone my rules... I don't want something running unless I request it... I'm willing to wait for it to load if its goona run smoothly... this is the standard tradeoff quick load or smooth running... But if I haven't used WhatsApp in 3 days why does it run constantly regardless of settings??.. It's crapware
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