Simple question really, is Froyo really worth it on the HTC Hero.
I mean what difference does it really make to are HTC Hero Phones, the main differences I know, is the ability to store apps to the SD card, which if you are rooted you can do anyway.
The ability to properly play flash files, which I don't think the HTC Hero will fully support due to hardware issues.
Meant to be faster. But using the 2.2 roms, we have, I did not notice any increase of speed and if anything, the speed gets much slower after using it a few days. (excluding Fusion rom).
On top of this, some apps wont support Froyo, you lose HTC sence/HTC apps, and there is keyboard problems.
What do you lot think?
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Simple question really, is Froyo really worth it on the HTC Hero.
I mean what difference does it really make to are HTC Hero Phones, the main differences I know, is the ability to store apps to the SD card, which if you are rooted you can do anyway.
The ability to properly play flash files, which I don't think the HTC Hero will fully support due to hardware issues.
Meant to be faster. But using the 2.2 roms, we have, I did not notice any increase of speed and if anything, the speed gets much slower after using it a few days. (excluding Fusion rom).
On top of this, some apps wont support Froyo, you lose HTC sence/HTC apps, and there is keyboard problems.
What do you lot think?
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From the moment I installed the first development build of FroydVillain, I am never going back to 2.1. It's honestly that good.
The main benefit is having JIT, which speeds up the ROM. We have seen scores of 5.3 mflops in linpack using Froyd1.1.1 with overclock.
Froyo is also the latest version, includes the stock browser with the V8 javascript engine etc. and has automatic market updates amongst other random stuff
Have a look at the new features of froyo, as I've never looked back yet
PS. camera doesn't work properly yet, but IMHO it's a decent compromise for the ROM that has given me the best battery life ever etc.
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anon2122 said:
From the moment I installed the first development build of FroydVillain, I am never going back to 2.1. It's honestly that good.
The main benefit is having JIT, which speeds up the ROM. We have seen scores of 5.3 mflops in linpack using Froyd1.1.1 with overclock.
Froyo is also the latest version, includes the stock browser with the V8 javascript engine etc. and has automatic market updates amongst other random stuff
Have a look at the new features of froyo, as I've never looked back yet
PS. camera doesn't work properly yet, but IMHO it's a decent compromise for the ROM that has given me the best battery life ever etc.
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I did have a very good look at all three Froyos ROMs and then I installed 2.1 again, Android 2.1 is so far 100% better for the HTC Hero, in my opinion.
I don't think I miss much by having to individually update the apps, especially since I don't like being the first to update apps as not all updates are for the best (E.G. Astro (now with adds))
Although the Rom is meant to be faster I found it a lot slower, even though I was using Set CPU, only Fusion Rom was decent (but as other roms still had reliability problems). With 2.1 everything is much faster.
I will probably try Android 2.2 again, but I will probably wait till there is a version with Sense as in my opinion Launcher pro (plus) is so inferior in comparison. Sense is a very important feature in my opinion.
Between Android 1.5 > 2.1 there was a big difference and it was worth updating, here no such difference exist, and the main attraction of 2.2 the ability to play proper flash does not work with the Hero.
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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Yeah, i'd agree. Wait another week or two, till the issues start to go, then look again
tbh i think it is good that the scene is moving towards 2.2.
sure things dont fully work atm and certain features wont be beneficial on the hero, but at least there are people working on it so that there is an option if it is needed/wanted.
it is better that there are questions as to whether we need 2.2 on the hero, rather than endless questions of "when will 2.2 be ported".
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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I just posted (on my two posts) on what we have available at the moment, and what we know about Android 2.2 in relation to flash, app2sd and automatic updates. No matter what rom comes out in the future these problems will persist.
I agree that all the roms we have are just beta-like versions, and that I am hopeful that the roms will be faster in due time. I even mentioned in my 2nd post that I will try Android 2.2 again once someone manages to incorporate HTC sense to it.
it is better that there are questions as to whether we need 2.2 on the hero, rather than endless questions of "when will 2.2 be ported".
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I 100% agree with you, and I fully appreciate all the work that developers make in order to develop these roms. But at this moment in time, I found that upgrading my phone to Android 2.2 felt more of a downgrade (excluding Fusion, to some extent).
To be honest ill be very surprised, if we ever get a good Froyo rom, which is as fast as the 2.1 roms and works properly with flash. But we will have to wait and see.
Hmmm. I see your concern about automatic updates, but they are optional, and need to be actively enabled in my experience.
EXT apps2sd is miles better than the included one, so I think it's a case of "better than original" for that.
Sense should come with time. No idea about flash tbh.
Froyd is looking to be a fair bit faster now
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Hmmm. I see your concern about automatic updates, but they are optional, and need to be actively enabled in my experience.
EXT apps2sd is miles better than the included one, so I think it's a case of "better than original" for that.
Sense should come with time. No idea about flash tbh.
Froyd is looking to be a fair bit faster now
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Any idea if we are talking about weeks, or months for Sense
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Any idea if we are talking about weeks, or months for Sense
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I can be even more specific. A few days after HTC does the first Sense Froyo ROM for Slide or Legend. But no idea how good these ROMs will be, as there will be porting needed.
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Hi
I've had my Hero for aboutttt 7 weeks now and i've been tinkering mainly with 1.5 ROMs.
I've settled with MoDaCo 3.2 which is blazingly fast and has some decent features.
Recently i've tried some 2.1 roms, Villain 5.4, BeHero+ and some others. I tried Villain 5.5 yesterday and kept it until today.
I really liked it, the stock look, the incredible amount of features and general improvements to the interface from 1.5.
Now. Every 2.1 ROM i've used has had something in common. They're all incredibly slow. I mean, once the app is running it's generally ok but switching between apps can be incredibly slow.
Closing an app and sliding between the home screens is extremely sluggish and opening messages can take up to 10 secs.
Keyboard input is about as flat as the expression on my face. And once the keys are recognised the phone vibrates as much as a sex toy...
Don't get me wrong, Villain5.5 is probably the best 2.1 ROM out there, it just doesn't seem to perform well.
So what makes 2.1 so slow?
Is it because it's a stock kernel? I see MoDaCo has "Teknologist"?
Is the Hero just too lame?
This has probably been answered more times than you're willing to count. I'm just frustrated to the point at which i stuck my phone in my mouth and proceeded to nibble on the corner.
Try SenseHero 2.2 - it's fast. Really fast, I think even faster than MoDaCo 3.2.
2.1 isn't any slower than 1.5!
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2.1 isn't any slower than 1.5!
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I really, really disagree there
When we are talking about responsiveness anyway.
Responsiveness of any 2.1 ROMs are far beyond what I would like, VillainRom is the fastest I've used but still not what I'd like for my main phone. Esp vs ROMs like the Kimera 1.8... which is the fastest 1.5 ROM I've ever used (and now sticking to)
TBH I'm not surprised, with no official GSM Hero release, there's no fine-tuned drivers for it etc. Ports can get it running on a GSM Hero but in no way are those builds really built to be used on the phone, they're just modified by XDA Devs. I think thats what makes the wait for the 2.1 from HTC even greater because that should hopefully be the 2.1 we could all finally move to.
(...once XDA roots and tweaks it of course )
to check how fast it is, linpack is better or the benchmark - softweg one?
Running SenseHero2.2 now and have done for a couple days.
Feels very responsive and works very well
SlideVillain 1.1.0 is actually really pretty fast, and I currently use that as my everyday ROM. I used to be a devout taskiller user, but I have now uninstalled Taskiller as you just don't need one on SlideVillain.
Also, the new SuperHero ROM from Villain is unbelievably fast. It is a semi-vanilla ROM, although only available to donators for the moment in a closed Beta (there are still little bugs needing ironed out).
Not all 2.1 ROMs are slow though. The SuperHero ROM is actually as fast as the Desire in use. See http://www.villainrom.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=507 for some info about it.
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Hi to all XDA members,
Got an X10a with Global 2.0.2.A.0.24 rooted with Dual Touch....
i want to change my ROM to a custom ROM.....
I went to XPERIA X10 Android Development sub-forum and found lots and lots of customed ROM.......
so i want to know and have suggestions which is the best custom (2.1)ROM for X10a which has least bug(rather say no bug) and can work blazing fast......
Also Is it possible that Flash (adobe flash) can be pushed in to 2.1 ???...... can it be done ?
" I m really sorry if this is re-post since i tried to find it on X10 Q&A sub forum didnt got any such details "
i'm Using Eminence and installed Eternity 2 in my friends X10 and i vote for Eternity 2 . it's more faster and easier and jit included.
pick one you like.
I recommend eminence v1.2
I'm obviously biased, but check out kX10: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913610
Why bother with a 2.1 rom when free10x has a working camera and is a million times better than any 2.1 rom? Get with the times
If you want something stable, use the modded SE roms like Eternity or X10iUser's rom. ( Basically Sony's normal 2.1, with some theming and tweaking; no Flash on these ones )
If you want to experiment with the newer Android versions, I'd suggest using Z's FreeX10 2.2 b2. However, this rom is still under beta stage, most of the functions work, but there will definitely be some glitches here and there. ( FreeX10 2.2 is capable of Flash 10.1 )
PS: do everyone a favour and make sure you READ all the info of that rom before posting in the dev section.
Best of luck.
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Why bother with a 2.1 rom when free10x has a working camera and is a million times better than any 2.1 rom? Get with the times
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True, the >2.1 ROMs are nice, but I completely rely on my phone. There's still too many bugs, and they aren't 100% stable. Plus I see no benefit other than Flash, which is not a benefit to me.
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True, the >2.1 ROMs are nice, but I completely rely on my phone. There's still too many bugs, and they aren't 100% stable. Plus I see no benefit other than Flash, which is not a benefit to me.
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I have not had a single reboot or issue whatsoever.. I have found it to be 100% stable..
Well if you consider having your quadrant score nearly double (mine is 1500+ now, was like 800 before), not to mention the far superior memory management of froyo, I think you'll see there are far more benefits than just flash. Do some research on it..
Well i use Eternity, and I love it, and its blazing fast with no problems
I would highly recommend that if you go for 2.1,
I can't say anything about the 2.2, because i'm holding back until the video capture works correctly (i think that the only problem now, right? or was that fixed?)
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Well i use Eternity, and I love it, and its blazing fast with no problems
I would highly recommend that if you go for 2.1,
I can't say anything about the 2.2, because i'm holding back until the video capture works correctly (i think that the only problem now, right? or was that fixed?)
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higher battery consuming (around 20 hours) - Many Apps FC Specially Task Managers - other small bugs . Z Did a Great Job in his FW but still not completely stable .....as a smartphones user who likes to show his X10 to his friends you don't want to see your x10 reboots more than 1 time per a day. It's annoying . Once the camcorder is implemented and these bugs are fixed i will directly install the 2.2 fw on my smartphone . I'm Really Excited .
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higher battery consuming (around 20 hours) - Many Apps FC Specially Task Managers - other small bugs . Z Did a Great Job in his FW but still not completely stable .....as a smartphones user who likes to show his X10 to his friends you don't want to see your x10 reboots more than 1 time per a day. It's annoying . Once the camcorder is implemented and these bugs are fixed i will directly install the 2.2 fw on my smartphone . I'm Really Excited .
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You don't need task managers or killers with froyo, they have issues even on official froyo. Read up in it.
I have not have even one reboot.. also the battery consumption is actually better than 2.1 due to the better memory management.
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I have not had a single reboot or issue whatsoever.. I have found it to be 100% stable..
Well if you consider having your quadrant score nearly double (mine is 1500+ now, was like 800 before), not to mention the far superior memory management of froyo, I think you'll see there are far more benefits than just flash. Do some research on it..
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I didn't mean to offend you. I have read up on it, and while the higher Quadrant scores are nice, I didn't see any real-life performance improvements over a tweaked 2.1. Maybe others do, I don't know. I'm just saying that for me, I would rather have a rock solid ROM than a few bells and whistles.
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higher battery consuming (around 20 hours) - Many Apps FC Specially Task Managers - other small bugs . Z Did a Great Job in his FW but still not completely stable .....as a smartphones user who likes to show his X10 to his friends you don't want to see your x10 reboots more than 1 time per a day. It's annoying . Once the camcorder is implemented and these bugs are fixed i will directly install the 2.2 fw on my smartphone . I'm Really Excited .
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That's exactly why I can't use 2.2 as a daily ROM. If they ever get 2.2 or 2.3 out of beta, I will definitely use that instead of 2.1.
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You don't need task managers or killers with froyo, they have issues even on official froyo. Read up in it.
I have not have even one reboot.. also the battery consumption is actually better than 2.1 due to the better memory management.
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Everyone's experiences will vary.
So now that the GB ROMs seem to be in full swing.....
What are the pros and cons vs Froyo?
Well, I went from Froyo to GB and for me:
Much faster and smoother
Almost no lag, you would think it was a 1Ghz phone
WIFI and GPS locks on almost instantly and does not drop out.
3G data rate is mouch more consistent
I have been waiting patiently for the Thunderbolt, and this rom will make the wait much easier
Thanks to Workshed for an amazing rom.
There is really not a whole lot different, besides looks. The GB keyboard is better. I could really use either one in a pinch, though right now I am using GSB myself.
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There is really not a whole lot different, besides looks. The GB keyboard is better. I could really use either one in a pinch, though right now I am using GSB myself.
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That's actually not true at all, there are quite a few differences. Workshed's rom uses the latest CM7 nightly (RC1). Tazz's rom uses ADW as the default home launcher, Workshed's uses LauncherPro. Not sure of the numbers but both roms come overclocked at different numbers. Workshed's rom comes with an extra theme (Mau5KANG). There are quite a few differences but my suggestion honestly is to try them both for about 5 days each and see which one you like best ! Hope all this helps.
Its the little things;
Theme Manager has great potential, change themes on the fly
Better memory management. I no longer use autokiller.
App Management in settings, populates fast and is more user friendly. Great for killing stubborn or hung apps without the need for 3rd party app. (Older versions were slow and clunky).
Built in CPU manager clock speed and governor.
Auto bright setting controls seem much improved IMO.
More lockscreen options.
Overall responsiveness improved, providing better user experience.
Active development. More options and improvements still to come.
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That's actually not true at all, there are quite a few differences. Workshed's rom uses the latest CM7 nightly (RC1). Tazz's rom uses ADW as the default home launcher, Workshed's uses LauncherPro. Not sure of the numbers but both roms come overclocked at different numbers. Workshed's rom comes with an extra theme (Mau5KANG). There are quite a few differences but my suggestion honestly is to try them both for about 5 days each and see which one you like best ! Hope all this helps.
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He asked the pros and cons between Gingerbread and Froyo, not between the two GB ROMs - and that's what my post was answering.
Thanks for the info, any input is appreciated.
My biggest concern is speed.
I have flashed a lot of ROMs over the past year or so. I have found regardless of the ROM when my available memory drops below 50M my phone gets laggy. I started using Go Launcher about a month ago and really like it (running app tab is great). I see apps running in the background that I know I haven't used like facebook, youtube and Pandora. Autokiller does not seem to be doing a good job squashing them. I want Pandora on my phone I just only want it running when I am using it.
Conapp, Tazz, Kaos and Shed have all been great and very responsive to questions or issues with their ROMs
I think it is time to give GB a run.
GB does a great job managing memory and terminating background apps. Never get the slow Downs like I did on 2.1 or 2.2
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I have flashed a lot of ROMs over the past year or so. I have found regardless of the ROM when my available memory drops below 50M my phone gets laggy.
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As part of the upgrade, look into flashing xtrcache2cache, which will free up a lot of memory for data and apps - probably about 30 MB or so. If you do use it, you just have to remember to re-flash it after updating the ROM. So,
- flash GSB
- flash gapps (mandatory, even for no wipe updates)
- flash cache2cache
It's here, and works just fine with GSB: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=924562
Ok, one more advantage to GB, and this, to me, is a big one, is cursor placement/text selection. It's much better - I actually like it more than iOS's tap/hold/magnifying glass.
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html
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Ok, one more advantage to GB, and this, to me, is a big one, is cursor placement/text selection. It's much better - I actually like it more than iOS's tap/hold/magnifying glass.
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html
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Ah! That helps answer a concern of mine wondering how easy it will be to get used to not having a trackball when I do eventually (probably not for a year) upgrade from the Eris. I don't use the trackball a lot, but for fine adjustments to text selections, it certainly has helped.
i am finding GB to be much faster and my battery life seems to be better.
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Wwonka69
Just wanted to get some opinions on what people are running on their G Tablets, and feel is the best performing ROM?
Also do most/all ROMs support and utilize the dual core of the Tegra?
Any opinions and suggestions on getting the best performing G Tablet would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks much.
Anything on the 1.2 bootloader is going to perform better. The kernels activate the second core at 60% of core ones capacity where kernels for 1.1 activate core 2 at redline of core 1.
Thanks Mantara. Any personal preferences on ROMS? I've tried TNT Lite, and like it, but seem to still have some sluggishness with WIFI, and would like to try something newer based on an Android 2.3 or 3.0 core.
Hold off on any 3.0 roms for now. Still lots of brick issues.
Are you on bootloader 1.1 or 1.2?
If your on 1.1 try calculins+clemsyns version 5. Its got cool tweeks that block adds and control CPU speed based on battery level. It is my personal favorite.
If your on 1.2 I would use cm7 mod for 1.2 in the development section. You can easily get Netflix working, its stable and it has that cyanogen charm that has really made android shine.
You can use cm7 on bootloader 1.1 and C+C on 1.2 (version 6) but through my use I have found them faster and more stable running on the BLs I stated above.
All this is just personal preference though. The whole reason we are on this site is trying things out to find out exactly what we personally like.
Happy flashing,
Ive only had my gtab for a week. Ive tried cm7 based on the. 1.1 then i went to vegan based on 1.2. The vegan is much faster but im not sure if its vegan itself or the different build that is making such a big difference
Vegan 7 has some good tweeks. It just isn't being supported any more.
Kernel makes a big difference. Did you flash a new kernel over cm7?
Also with 1.2 vegan the stock kernel (made by pershoot) is optomized and overclocked to 1.4ghz.
Cm7 for 1.2 has more optimization and than vegan simply for the fact vegan is based off of cm7 7.0.0
And the 1.2 cm7 is 7.0.3. That's about a thousand changes to the rom.
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Respectfully disagree with this statement. I have been running Roebeet's HC ROMs since the very beginning and, except for a couple of brief problematic versions, have thoroughly enjoyed them all with no bricking along the way.
Currently on Bottle of Smoke 5.2 alpha and have yet to see issues when I flash to a new one. (IMHO) the vast majority of people who are soft-bricking are not following the correct instructions in some way. I did read about a bunch of issues with the illuminate version (modded copy of Roebeet's older ROM). If you stick with Roebeet's stuff and his directions (exactly) you should not have problems. Also GoodIntentions has his G-tab for Dummies site with even more simplified steps.
Before this I ran VEGAnTab (latest) and the only thing I had with that one that I don't now is the camera (no big loss) and flash videos (again, not a big deal). This is my daily driver - I have way over 200 apps installed and every single one that I have tried works fine so far. Overclocked to 1.4 with no FCs yet. At work I stream music with TuneIn Pro and have News360 running all day long and still have 30+% of battery left at day's end. My Quadrant scores are usually 1800-2200 and that is with a pile of stuff being loaded at boot.
For me, it all basically boils down to the interface. I really like the HC one and could not go back to a FroYo or GB-based one now.
Plus, there is the "wow" factor. When someone says "you're running Honeycomb on that?" I just smile and say, "aren't you?"
@ mantra, i borked my tab on my first try going from cm7(1.1) to vegan(1.2) so i ended up nvflashing 1.2 stock then loaded vegan- not sure what exactly that mean on the state of my kernel. (first time paying with roms this week)
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Anything on the 1.2 bootloader is going to perform better. The kernels activate the second core at 60% of core ones capacity where kernels for 1.1 activate core 2 at redline of core 1.
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I saw this comment last week, as well - do we have any evidence of this? Did someone test this and document or is this some third-party boast? I'm just curious because, if it's true, it's the first true improvement over 1.1. The other things like Adam compatibility are important, but it doesn't necessarily make 1.2 BETTER than 1.1, just a little more convenient for things like HC development.
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....Plus, there is the "wow" factor. When someone says "you're running Honeycomb on that?" I just smile and say, "aren't you?"
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I love reading stuff like this - THAT makes modding worth doing. People have assumptions on the GTAB on what it can or can't do, so mods like this show them that it's not impossible if the vendor just pushed for it.
Btw, I agree about the interface over the 2.2/2.3 ROMs. The latter still feels like a big phone interface, even with the UI changes of things like CM7 or EDEN. HC really makes a tablet feel like a tablet, imo - and once they catch up with things like Netflix support, I think HC will eventually dominate.
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Hold off on any 3.0 roms for now. Still lots of brick issues.
Are you on bootloader 1.1 or 1.2?
If your on 1.1 try calculins+clemsyns version 5. Its got cool tweeks that block adds and control CPU speed based on battery level. It is my personal favorite.
If your on 1.2 I would use cm7 mod for 1.2 in the development section. You can easily get Netflix working, its stable and it has that cyanogen charm that has really made android shine.
You can use cm7 on bootloader 1.1 and C+C on 1.2 (version 6) but through my use I have found them faster and more stable running on the BLs I stated above.
All this is just personal preference though. The whole reason we are on this site is trying things out to find out exactly what we personally like.
Happy flashing,
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Thanks much! That's exactly what I was looking for, some personal preferences as a starting point.
I'm not sure if I have 1.1 or 1.2 on the boot loader - would love to get NetFlix going on it; so that's prob. going to be my starting point.
Bells and Whistles are nice lol
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For me, it all basically boils down to the interface. I really like the HC one and could not go back to a FroYo or GB-based one now.
Plus, there is the "wow" factor. When someone says "you're running Honeycomb on that?" I just smile and say, "aren't you?"
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Thanks Nun. I definitely would love to have a better interface than the typical phone feel; and NetFlix would be great.
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Just wanted to get some opinions on what people are running on their G Tablets, and feel is the best performing ROM?
Also do most/all ROMs support and utilize the dual core of the Tegra?
Any opinions and suggestions on getting the best performing G Tablet would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks much.
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well so far. i haven noticed much difference in 1.1 and 1.2 roms. both variations have the plus and minus
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i think it would be froyo, since everything is supported. FULL hw acceleration (of what ive been told). gb roms were pretty good too. But still have issues. and hc have many issues.
so froyo roms. now which one. ive tried the beastly one, and that was the best for me. Im currently on b corners but too many problems that i might go back to beastlys if i cant figure out this damn wifi bug
cheers
After a couple weeks venturing in the honeycomb world, I'm back to froyo. Specifically, I'm back to calk+clem combo.
VTL launcher + ripple lock + scrollable widgets + full hardware acceleration + OC + full stability = me happy.
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I saw this comment last week, as well - do we have any evidence of this? Did someone test this and document or is this some third-party boast? I'm just curious because, if it's true, it's the first true improvement over 1.1. The other things like Adam compatibility are important, but it doesn't necessarily make 1.2 BETTER than 1.1, just a little more convenient for things like HC development.
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As far as I know neither clemsyn and pershoot have made 1.1 versions of their alterations to the 1.2 kernels that change the power step in the second cores activation.
From his 1.2 kernel thread,
clemsyn said:
In 1.1 cpu1 runs onlywhen cpu0 is running 1000 and above. In 1.2 I changed it to run when cpu0 is 600 and above. I can also make one for 1.1 but I'm moving forward to 1.2.
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I have not read pershoots change log in a two weeks-ish so that may have changed but clemsyn has stated that he will Not make a 1.1 version with the change in power step as he is looking towards the future (1.2) and not the past (1.1). I'm just going off of what I have read on here and SLD. If I am reading this wrong I would appreciate a correction. I don't want to be spreading fallacy all over xda and misleading people.
As far as HC, once its in beta, I will shout it rom the rooftops that people flash it. Until then recommending it to flash as one of your first roms I can't recommend. HC will dominate the tablet world, it is beauty and functionality in motion. But to a person just wanting stability and full functionality it doesn't hit the mark yet. I believe to understand the present and to grasp the future you must know your history. This is why I will always recommend flashing a froyo or GB varient the first time, at least until HC is at least the state that GB is with hardware accell and flash.
As stated earlier, this is just my preference and that is the reason we are all on this site, its all about personal preference.
Thanks - so it's not that it's not possible, it's just that at least one of the kernel devs (Clem) isn't planning to backport his 1.2 changes to 1.1.
I'm a very big supporter of 1.2, but it's important to make that distinction, imo. I'm really not sure WHY there's a 1.2 to begin with (yes, we know that the voltage levels were changed, but not why it was done). All I know is that the Adam is 1.2 based, and Notion Ink is our best chance right now for an HC port with full acceleration. So 1.2 is where I'm staying.
Agreed on you assessment of the current HC port, btw. I call it an alpha for a reason - some things work really well, but a few important things are broken so it's more for advanced users who don't mind the caveats.
I just got my tablet about a month ago, so I'm new to a lot of this stuff. I've learned quite a lot so far. I'm using VEGAn-Tab Ginger edition. I thought about trying some of the other roms, but everything I need works fine on this one. Flash,Videos,web browsing,slingplayer, and others. Maybe when a beta version of honeycomb becomes available I'll upgrade.
just a follow up on this question- i have tried about 8 of the roms so far i love the "feel of the ginger and honey comb roms better but so far nothing beats the calk+clem combo for functionality and speed. i currently run it at 1.4 using cpu master to dial it back a bit. i had a bit of instability running it at 1.5
Try them all....I have yet to hear of a hard brick
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I'm not sure if I have 1.1 or 1.2 on the boot loader - would love to get NetFlix going on it; so that's prob. going to be my starting point.
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Btw, I agree about the interface over the 2.2/2.3 ROMs. The latter still feels like a big phone interface, even with the UI changes of things like CM7 or EDEN. HC really makes a tablet feel like a tablet, imo - and once they catch up with things like Netflix support, I think HC will eventually dominate.
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One of the most exciting things I wanted to do on a tablet was run Netflix. Dare I say, once I saw a youtube video showing a G-tablet hacked to run Netflix properly (as well as Hulu directly off the site), it was my inspiration to bite the bullet and say I wanted one.
Little did I realize that Netflix currently only works on one rom, CM7, and that rom is not exactly the best option for this thing.
I just came back from a Digital Experience media event in NYC (I have a press pass), where I got to play with the new BB playbook, Samsung 10" tab, and the new webOS tablet. Made me realize how slow and laggy CM7 appears to have made my Gtablet! The tegra chip is capable of more, I've seen it fly through other roms, but I picked CM7 which lacks just about any kind of HW acceleration.
Meanwhile, there are all these little things that irk me- the camera doesn't work in apps like oovoo or yahoo messenger, there's a weird microSD/MMC bug that hides either your internal memory or your SD card (you can at least switch by flashing a zip that renames thins, but you still have to pick one to be invisible to most apps), and the mouse cursor doesn't work if you plug in a USB mouse.
That last one is an issue because I have one of these keyboard/mouse combo mini USB things:
http://gadgetynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/LenovoMiniWirelessKeyboard.jpg
And on other roms (like the stock one), it gives a mouse pointer I can move around and click where I want to pretend I'm touching the screen (pretty cool!). On CM7, it treats it like a track ball that moves the cursor around. So while I'm typing, if it shakes, the cursor moves to the left or right of where I'm trying to type. SUPER ANNOYING. I actually took some duct tape to hold the track ball down.
All this... so I can watch netflix in bed without a laptop. Worth it? I'm still doing it so I guess so. I mean, it was part of why I wanted a tablet. But I can't wait for more roms to work with netflix, I don't care if its Froyo. Just something fast that supports it and doesn't have all these little troublesome quirks!
I mean, someone is bound to figure out what makes it work on netflix and apply it to other roms, right? Or heck, maybe netflix will release an update that works with more devices soon? This is getting ridiculous, IMO!
Whew. Sorry for the rant, that's something I've been needing to say for a while!
Thanks Dishe ... they were some of the same little quirks I was reading about; actually one of the reasons I posted - I appreciate the feedback. I'm sure these guys out here busting it on all the cool ROMs will eventually hit one out of the park - provided all the vendors, i.e. Netflix, etc. get their act together, with DRM, etc.
-T
Can anyone tell me what the fastest most stable ROM for the gTAB is right now? I love tinkering around with the other ROMs but my company is deploying these for technicians and while the stock rom is terrible, I need something that will be consistent and not have many issues. We prefer to run Honeycomb but Gingerbread is fine with me if it is smooth/fast. Thanks guys.
Depends on what you want
I'm assuming since it's for compnay use you have no reason to require hardware acceleration for graphics or videos...in which case a gingerbread rom like vegan-tab ginger edition would be good or cyanogenmod. If you do want all the native hardware support with good usb handling including usb sticks and such I'd go with vegantab 5.1 or clemsyn+caulkins rom both of which are froyo, but are in my opinion the fastest most stable.
wrong section for this eh...
Its a custom rom question, where should I put it?
In general or q&a sections. To many of these in development section bumps useful dev threads out of site.
@moderator please move
Yah G Tablet Q&A!
For "all" of your questions relating to the Viewsonic G Tablet
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1101
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
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Lol ^^^
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I like cm7... and have tried several others. Many awaiting development of integration of Flash. Most of them HoneyComb once done they will be rocking. Roebeet's and Illuminate are superior, there has been a lot of people that have contributed to the these ROM's. I would say learn how to use nvflash to restore your gtab back to stock configuration and try several of the ROM's for yourself and see which one fits your needs best. Good luck.
@goodintentions- Oh no u diiiiiint! Lol
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Can anyone tell me what the fastest most stable ROM for the gTAB is right now? I love tinkering around with the other ROMs but my company is deploying these for technicians and while the stock rom is terrible, I need something that will be consistent and not have many issues. We prefer to run Honeycomb but Gingerbread is fine with me if it is smooth/fast. Thanks guys.
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Beasty's was the fastest and smoothest I've come across so far.
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http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
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Not gonna lie, this made me laugh.
Oh, and I concur with the VEGAnTab 5.1 being very stable and usable.
grimmy311 said:
Can anyone tell me what the fastest most stable ROM for the gTAB is right now? I love tinkering around with the other ROMs but my company is deploying these for technicians and while the stock rom is terrible, I need something that will be consistent and not have many issues. We prefer to run Honeycomb but Gingerbread is fine with me if it is smooth/fast. Thanks guys.
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The Froyo based Brilliant Corners ROM over at slatedroid.com is by far the best ROM I have used. Very stable and full hardware support.
+1 for the brilliant corners ROM
Maybe you guys can help clear a few things up for me-
I was under the impression that Froyo roms are the only ones that have full 100% hardware support, since it was the only one supported by the manufacturer at the moment.
Right now I'm running CM7, which I've found rather laggy and many broken features (video chat apps don't seem to work, etc). I blamed it on the fact that CM7 uses Gingerbread and not Froyo.
I read this thread because I'm also looking to ditch this laggy rom and find something fast and stable, so I'm confused that there are so many folks recommending Vegan GE. Wouldn't Gingerbread just be in the same boat I am currently in?
I'll be honest, the reason I've been with CM7 is Netflix support, so I kind of like that Vegan GE can be made to work with the Netflix app. But if Froyo roms are faster and most stable, I'd rather go with that. Can anyone help clarify?
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I read this thread because I'm also looking to ditch this laggy rom and find something fast and stable, so I'm confused that there are so many folks recommending Vegan GE. Wouldn't Gingerbread just be in the same boat I am currently in?
I'll be honest, the reason I've been with CM7 is Netflix support, so I kind of like that Vegan GE can be made to work with the Netflix app. But if Froyo roms are faster and most stable, I'd rather go with that. Can anyone help clarify?
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You can somewhat compensate for the lack of hardware acceleration with overclocking. This is what many folks do.
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You can somewhat compensate for the lack of hardware acceleration with overclocking. This is what many folks do.
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Someone told me this once before (maybe it was you), but I disagree with this being a solution. Overclocking helps somewhat, but more code being sent to more CPU cycles is not always a direct tradeoff in performance. For example, when executing code the JVM has to deal with garbage collectors and other thread management issues that the GPU doesn't need to deal with. I read from notion ink's blog about new HC for the Adam that some of the java GC's can take anywhere between 7-500ms to do its work. The more code being sent to the GPU to offset CPU load, the smoother and less jittery the entire user experience will be.
Overclocking can help make the jittering go away faster, but also cause more of these hickups in a span of time, if I understand correctly.
Overclocking, while very cool, can also deplete your battery faster. I've been clocking at 1.2 and sometimes 1.4Ghz on CM7. I stopped using 1.4 because I noticed the battery didn't last as long, and sometimes the device seemed to heat up more than I remember normally. I'll still overclock, but at the end of the day I don't feel like my device is as smooth as it could be. And that irks me.
Why not just use an overclockable Froyo rom?
Meanwhile, Brilliant Corners sounds interesting but then I have to deal with that whole bootloader 1.2 mess. Not sure I want to go there yet.
Brilliant Corners is simply a 1.2 port of Vegan 5.1.1.
When the 1.2 bootloader arrived, Roebeet figured it would be the future bootloader for our tablets. He therefore made 1.2 equals of the 1.1 Roms he had a hand in developing. BC is Vegan 5.1.1, Mountain Laurel is his original TNT Lite, and Century Eyes is his Gadam rom.
So, if you want Brilliant corners, but don't want to switch bootloaders, then simply get Vegan 5.1.1. It's basically the same thing.
Personally, I was on Brilliant Corners until recently. I bought the tablet with TNT Lite pre-installed, then flashed Vegan 5.1.1. I decided to go to 1.2 and went to Brilliant Corners. I had a couple issues recently (not with the Rom, but the person that was using the Rom) and had to repartition. Figuring I'd lose everythign anyway, I decided ot give another rom a try. I went ot Beasty for 1.2 (it's an Adam Rom) Then, some apps wouldn't install for me, becuase my "device was not compatible." Figuring it was more of a headache, I decided to try Calkulin/Clemsyn combo for 1.2 and it's working like a dream so far. It's overclocked, but has built in Battery management, regulating the voltages as battery life get's lower. It's FAST, it's stable, and I think my battery has lasted longer than it did previously.
The good thing it, there are versions for 1.1 (v5) and 1.2 (v6) so anyone can use it...give it a test drive, you may never look back.
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Someone told me this once before (maybe it was you), but I disagree with this being a solution. Overclocking helps somewhat, but more code being sent to more CPU cycles is not always a direct tradeoff in performance. For example, when executing code the JVM has to deal with garbage collectors and other thread management issues that the GPU doesn't need to deal with. I read from notion ink's blog about new HC for the Adam that some of the java GC's can take anywhere between 7-500ms to do its work. The more code being sent to the GPU to offset CPU load, the smoother and less jittery the entire user experience will be.
Overclocking can help make the jittering go away faster, but also cause more of these hickups in a span of time, if I understand correctly.
Overclocking, while very cool, can also deplete your battery faster. I've been clocking at 1.2 and sometimes 1.4Ghz on CM7. I stopped using 1.4 because I noticed the battery didn't last as long, and sometimes the device seemed to heat up more than I remember normally. I'll still overclock, but at the end of the day I don't feel like my device is as smooth as it could be. And that irks me.
Why not just use an overclockable Froyo rom?
Meanwhile, Brilliant Corners sounds interesting but then I have to deal with that whole bootloader 1.2 mess. Not sure I want to go there yet.
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I completely agree with everything you said. That said, right now the only way to partially compensate for the lack of hw acceleration is overclocking.
So, either you have jerky video playback but have a stable device all the time or you can get rid of the jerkiness (for the most part) and have a stable device most of the time.
Regardless, I'm still recommending froyo just because it is the only one with full hw acceleration support.
Netflix Works... kind of
Dishe said:
Maybe you guys can help clear a few things up for me-
I was under the impression that Froyo roms are the only ones that have full 100% hardware support, since it was the only one supported by the manufacturer at the moment.
Right now I'm running CM7, which I've found rather laggy and many broken features (video chat apps don't seem to work, etc). I blamed it on the fact that CM7 uses Gingerbread and not Froyo.
I read this thread because I'm also looking to ditch this laggy rom and find something fast and stable, so I'm confused that there are so many folks recommending Vegan GE. Wouldn't Gingerbread just be in the same boat I am currently in?
I'll be honest, the reason I've been with CM7 is Netflix support, so I kind of like that Vegan GE can be made to work with the Netflix app. But if Froyo roms are faster and most stable, I'd rather go with that. Can anyone help clarify?
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Roebeet has a netflix hack that will work with both Brilliant Corners and VEGAn 5.1 The problem is, you lose the youtube app... which isn't a huge deal as you can still go to the website and play from there, with full hardware acceleration. So, it's a question of what you want to do. When i made the jump from 1.1 to 1.2 I think my battery life went down a little, but I haven't noted too much difference between VEGAn Tab 5.1 and Brilliant Corners.
If you want to make the 1.2 bootloader jump, try this. It is super straightforward.
http://viewsonic-gtablet-for-dummies.webs.com/
If you want the Netflix Hack for 1.2 , see here. Roebeet made one for Brilliant Corners:
http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/171...lternative-12-based-firmware-g-tabletzpad-t2/
If you want to just stay on 1.1 and do VEGAntab5.1, the link for the neflix hack can be found in the second post here.
http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/146...1-wsupplement-updated-021211-g-tabletzpad-t2/