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Can anyone suggesr me which is the best task killer available in the market..m using task killer from rhythm software..
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gupta.anurag08 said:
Can anyone suggesr me which is the best task killer available in the market..m using task killer from rhythm software..
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I'm running on the Advanced Task Killer, I do not have any issues with them. What's your problem?
I tried 2 3 task killers and all were showing different 'available memory'
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Yeah, ATK is the best task killer app I've been using
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I tried 2 3 task killers and all were showing different 'available memory'
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It is because different task killer have different security policy, which allow them to show the system apps or not. So, in the lower security policy, you can see more running apps and gain more memory after kill them
i do have a question. why are you using a task killer?
I'm not having a dig at people that use them, but more trying to educate people that they are not required
"free memory" is not indicative of a healthy system in linux based machines.
please remember the way in which linux based OS's (which Android is) handles memory. Basically, if you have a heap of free memory it is simply wasted, the OS is not running any more efficiently. It is actually slower.
Here is a quick overview. Written for the desktop computer perspective, but translates over to a mobile phone OS quite well.
"Traditional Unix tools like 'top' often report a surprisingly small amount of free memory after a system has been running for a while. For instance, after about 3 hours of uptime, the machine I'm writing this on reports under 60 MB of free memory, even though I have 512 MB of RAM on the system. Where does it all go?
The biggest place it's being used is in the disk cache, which is currently over 290 MB. This is reported by top as "cached". Cached memory is essentially free, in that it can be replaced quickly if a running (or newly starting) program needs the memory.
The reason Linux uses so much memory for disk cache is because the RAM is wasted if it isn't used. Keeping the cache means that if something needs the same data again, there's a good chance it will still be in the cache in memory. Fetching the information from there is around 1,000 times quicker than getting it from the hard disk. If it's not found in the cache, the hard disk needs to be read anyway, but in that case nothing has been lost in time."
Read more here - http://www.linuxhowtos.org/System/Linux Memory Management.htm
So u mean to say that we shud not use task killers?
Wat if i exit a game in btw then wat happens..will it get automatically killed??
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So u mean to say that we shud not use task killers?
Wat if i exit a game in btw then wat happens..will it get automatically killed??
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Nope, that is the reason why i have to use task killer
For me, it help me save much of battery
Since I stopped using a task killer my battery is better.
Don't use a task killer for a week and watch the difference.
gupta.anurag08 said:
So u mean to say that we shud not use task killers?
Wat if i exit a game in btw then wat happens..will it get automatically killed??
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yes and yes!
if your phone requires the resources, it will kill tasks that are no longer required. its all automatic. let it do it itself and you will have a much happier phone
AND better battery life, because the android OS is not continually restarting processes that your task killer deems unnecessary. I would trust the actual OS over a 3rd party app. It is designed that way for a reason (see my previous post).
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i do have a question. why are you using a task killer?
I'm not having a dig at people that use them, but more trying to educate people that they are not required
"free memory" is not indicative of a healthy system in linux based machines.
please remember the way in which linux based OS's (which Android is) handles memory. Basically, if you have a heap of free memory it is simply wasted, the OS is not running any more efficiently. It is actually slower.
Here is a quick overview. Written for the desktop computer perspective, but translates over to a mobile phone OS quite well.
"Traditional Unix tools like 'top' often report a surprisingly small amount of free memory after a system has been running for a while. For instance, after about 3 hours of uptime, the machine I'm writing this on reports under 60 MB of free memory, even though I have 512 MB of RAM on the system. Where does it all go?
The biggest place it's being used is in the disk cache, which is currently over 290 MB. This is reported by top as "cached". Cached memory is essentially free, in that it can be replaced quickly if a running (or newly starting) program needs the memory.
The reason Linux uses so much memory for disk cache is because the RAM is wasted if it isn't used. Keeping the cache means that if something needs the same data again, there's a good chance it will still be in the cache in memory. Fetching the information from there is around 1,000 times quicker than getting it from the hard disk. If it's not found in the cache, the hard disk needs to be read anyway, but in that case nothing has been lost in time."
Read more here - http://www.linuxhowtos.org/System/Linux Memory Management.htm
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The idea is absolutely right if memory is being used for apps you are likely to open frequently. ATK allows you to unselect the apps you want to keep running. That way you can unselect the ones you use the most and then use the widget to kill everything else.
I notice when I press the home screen many apps don't kill them selfs and after a while I have loads of apps running and the system starts to lag, specially when I try to run something else.
There are advantages in both approaches and I find a mixed combination (available with ATK) makes it best, although the user need to use some common sense to do it right. Killing everything means the system will be more responsive but regularly used apps will take longer to start up. Not killing means the apps you use a lot "startup" faster when you use them repeatedly (as in fact they never stop running) but after a bit the system will lag when using other apps and may need to use pagefile/swap to atone for the lack of free RAM. That causes page faults which make the system even slower.
The iphone developers aren't complete idiots for killing every app. They have a priority for system responsiveness and they did achieve it at the cost of background running apps. I like the possibility to choose what I want to keep running and kill the apps I'm not likely to use again and it's one of the reasons I picked android.
A little Offtopic to both ifanboys and ihaters:
I never owned any apple product as I think of them as over priced. That said I think the iphone has great merit and I doubt very much we would have Android if the iphone didn't pave the way. Besides I jailbreak my brother's 3G and made it multitask enabled. Now it runs apps in background and there is little diference between it and my android. Except for the extra 200€ it cost, the lower hardware specs and expensive service provider contract my brother pays for a mandatory 24 months, while my X10 cost ~65% initially and came free of any contract.
well said, PCO
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I notice when I press the home screen many apps don't kill them selfs and after a while I have loads of apps running and the system starts to lag, specially when I try to run something else.
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Thats what I and others have found, which is why some people choose to use one, myself included. Someone posted a link to an article last week with similar information posted here about the OS handling itself, but the comments section of the article were full of comments similar to what pco and myself have said, so it's all down to personal preference whether or not you choose to use one.
I did use a task killer for a while, then stopped. Personally my phone is better without. I have nothing except weather that updates automatically, I do it manually when I need it.
It is one of those things, just like on a laptop, everyone has different configurations and usage patterns that results will vary.
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Don't apps exit when you keep hitting the back button? And for games doesn't hitting exit shut down the app?
I thought its a feature that apps don't close when you hit the home button?
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Don't apps exit when you keep hitting the back button? And for games doesn't hitting exit shut down the app?
I thought its a feature that apps don't close when you hit the home button?
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The browser for instance doesn't. Same with many other. I think it's up to each individual developer to program that behavior for his app.
I got Visual task switcher and I notice lots of apps just stay running forever.
Task killer caused probs for me. A daily switch off doesnt hurt, but have run mine for 7 days and been ok. Even a bberry cant do that!
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Guys, don't use home button to exit apps.
Will just send them in background.
Use the back button... this won't exit (most of) the apps but will put them in a "sleep" state so, next time when you will use it, it will load faster.
So, again, home button will put the app in background, still running.
Test it with an audio player for ex.
Or a browser... send it in background with home button and the player will still play or the browser will still have that page loaded.
With back button, after all views are "closed" the app will close too (well, put in sleep state).
I use ATK only to kill the apps i use once in a while ... the rest of the stuff, is always in memory.
My X10 has usually about 25Mb free
Actually I used ATK to kill application that need to connect to internet, and in my case there is extra charge payment. But after i used ATK I don't notice that the battery live is longer. So I ever ask someone in my thread about after ATK kill applications and so forth....
And somebody told me to quit using ATK and now I realize that the battery last longer than before.
But one thing still bother me is:
Setting - Wireless control - mobile network - mms & data (no checklist)
means: I can not access internet and receive or send mms either.
Actually I only need MMS, not internet.
May be somebody can help me solve this problem.
Thanks.
But my conclusion:
NO NEED ADVANCE TASK KILLER.
After I uninstall ATK, my phone still running smooth and the battery last longer.
May be we just need best Cache cleaner. But I still trying some of that.
@pco.vaz
I don't want to be mean, but you are wrong.
Even those iOS versions that are not multitasking enabled keep apps in memory. Leaving an app on an iPhone resets its UI state and halts its processes, but parts of the app are left in the memory. You can see the difference in loading speed if you decide to reopen it.
There were apps that could show memory usage and clean it on the App Store, but Apple removed them. You can still get them through Cydia and see for yourself how memory management on iTouch devices actually works. Basically the iPhone goes as low as 3-4 megs of free memory and handles it in smiliar way as Android.
On both Android and iOS, apps that are in background are paused after a while and do not use processor cycles. Memory they keep occupying is overwritten if needed by another process.
I do not recommend using task killer to people who do not know what they are doing exactly. Killing even simple processes often causes phone instability and drains battery faster, as others have already said.
If you feel your phone is stalled, perform a simple reboot. There are apps that run in background (in most cases you are warned about this) or are poorly coded that could cause this behavior. Other than that, inbuilt application manager is able to force close apps pretty well, if you need to kill a single app causing problems
I have installed RAM Booster and ZD Box(task killer) to help free up RAM, however i feel that the RAM usage on my x10 is still too high.
On average the free RAM on my phone is between 40MB -60MB, is that normal?
My question is how else can i free RAM on my phone? will installing apps to SD Card help? Also my internal memory widget is reading "414MB used out of 465MB" thats sound too high. my phone feels laggy and ive even stopped using live wallpapers, sumtimes the phone would even reboot on its own but hasnt done so in a while.
if u install too much apps without using app2sd, its normal to have that amount of ram.. i recommend u to use link2sd, u can manually select apps to move to sd. bt make sure that dont move any widget apps to sdcard or else it will stop functioning and appearing in ur widget list
I use Advanced Task Killer, from the market.
That being said, Android naturally will kill processes and apps. It waits for a certain amount of time, or until the resources are needed elsewhere. You shouldn't have to wory about how much free ram you have available... Unlike Windows, Android will manage it all on it's own!
khakhi said:
I have installed RAM Booster and ZD Box(task killer) to help free up RAM, however i feel that the RAM usage on my x10 is still too high.
On average the free RAM on my phone is between 40MB -60MB, is that normal?
My question is how else can i free RAM on my phone? will installing apps to SD Card help? Also my internal memory widget is reading "414MB used out of 465MB" thats sound too high. my phone feels laggy and ive even stopped using live wallpapers, sumtimes the phone would even reboot on its own but hasnt done so in a while.
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Use auto memory manager free from market
Requires root and when set to aggressive free ram great
Doesn't eat battery as it isnt a task killer
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to OP i wish i am a mod so i can move your post to Q&A thread.. geezzzzz
Eddie_Brock said:
I use Advanced Task Killer, from the market.
That being said, Android naturally will kill processes and apps. It waits for a certain amount of time, or until the resources are needed elsewhere. You shouldn't have to wory about how much free ram you have available... Unlike Windows, Android will manage it all on it's own!
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then y does my phone feel laggy if u say android will manage processes on its own? im going to try "link2sd" now and see how it goes.
Free RAM is wasted RAM, why don't people get that?
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Free RAM is wasted RAM, why don't people get that?
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not if it's causing his phone to reboot and have problems because he is using it all...
xcxa23 said:
if u install too much apps without using app2sd, its normal to have that amount of ram.. i recommend u to use link2sd, u can manually select apps to move to sd. bt make sure that dont move any widget apps to sdcard or else it will stop functioning and appearing in ur widget list
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link2sd is telling me i need to partition my sd fisrt and im not sure how to, im going to try apps2ds
First i don't this is a place to post such question, there is a section called Q&A.
Second, i recommend using AutoKiller Memory Optimizer, it's super amazing and very essential app for me. I get usually more than 100 MB free RAM most of the time, and it's easy customizable, after your read the help section.
Give it a try
it wouldnt be a lack of memory causing a phone to reboot but the app w memory leaks causing the phone to reboot. the apps youre killing werent designed for you to kill them unexpectedly. they were designed to run any necessary cleanup routines on exit. if the app youre killing doesnt have an option to exit, then you should replace it w one that does or ask the author to provide an exit/close for the app to free itself from the list of running processes.
you're introducing dirty unintended states for the apps and the os by killing them unexpectedly. you will have immediate gains in performance and will gain unexpected problems when those same apps go to run later. lost widgets, widget data, duplicate widgets, or maybe even break an app that wasnt designed to open from a dirty state.
keep an eye on the tasks, but leave them alone if you can.
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First i don't this is a place to post such question, there is a section called Q&A.
Second, i recommend using AutoKiller Memory Optimizer, it's super amazing and very essential app for me. I get usually more than 100 MB free RAM most of the time, and it's easy customizable, after your read the help section.
Give it a try
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Thanx guys will try it...
to op, i think u better try the autokiller 1st. because the link2sd and app2sd need to make partition.
1st make a fat32
2nd make a ext2
size of partition 2 put less than 1gb, i assuming u having a 8gb class 2 sdcard
the rest of it goes to fat32
ps : this require u to format ur sdcard. so make sure u backup it up in ur pc
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link2sd is telling me i need to partition my sd fisrt and im not sure how to, im going to try apps2ds
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Apps2sd needs partition as well... try a partitioning program and make a main fat32 partition and then a second one ext2 partition (i suggest 1gig max should be more than enough)
You don't want to free up ram. It messes with your phone. Your suppose to use ram
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Get rid of the task killer and get AutoKiller Memory Management. I went from ~35mb free to ~135mb by changing the last 3 settings to 150, 200, 250 and never need to kill anything
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i use automatic task killer and it works pretty good for me...
Hi, i recommend the app "Taskiller Full" from AxDroid LLC ( i dont know if the free version is the same ) when i kill apps get a 150-200 free ram
do NOT use task killers. all you will succeed in doing is to use MORE battery. Andoid (which is linux based) is designed to have very little free memory. The way android handles application and memory use is it keeps frequently launched apps in memory so they launch quicker. if a task comes along that requires resources android will simply ditch the reserved memory (that is reserved in case you launch a particular app that is in memory) and will allow it to be utilised for the new app. as has been said 1000's of times before, free ram is wasted ram!
all a task killer will do is to fight against the native android instruction set, each time android attempts to launch a process into ram the task killer will kill it, and each time this happens it will chew a bit more battery life.
having a lack of ram is not necessarily the reason your handset is lagging.....the perceived lack of ram is only because it is earmarked for potential use.
my advise to you? just leave it be, maybe reboot your handset a bit more frequently, and remove some of the apps that you have installed that are fighting against android!
good luck!
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Free RAM is wasted RAM, why don't people get that?
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+++ exactly, let your phone do the thinking! (bump)
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Hey
Till last week I used to have an average of 400-450mb RAM free on the phone. Now I have a max of 250-260mb free. All that I can remember doing different to the phone is installing a few games and other apps, which of course are not used 24/7.
I'm using Advanced Task Killer (free version) and I have set it on "Crazy" app killing every 30 mins. Still I'm stuck with around 200mb. I can feel the lag when scrolling through the homepages.
What did I do and more importantly what can I do?
did you try rebooting the phone..heheh
if you have CF-root .. boot into cwm..clear cache..clear dalvik cache and reboot..
You shouldn't have lag on the homescreen regardless of whether you have 200mb or 400mb of RAM left..
Are you using many widgets or a live wallpaper (or apps like 3g watchdog or anything that keeps a presence in the notification bar like SetCPU?), sounds like you have a memory hog somewhere
And forget using a task killer.. the apps will just start up again anyway which will waste more RAM, find AutoStarts from the market and stop useless junk starting up
Thanks guys for the quick response. I actually restarted for some other reason and found that the RAM was back upto 590-595mb, but thats probably just coz of system files not starting yet. Right now, say 30 min after restart its around 475mb.
I'm running the stock KE7 ROM, so I'll try clearing the cache in that and see what happens.
There is no point in having "free" ram on android. Uninstall ATK and just use your phone. The constant restarting of killed applications does more harm than good and might even cause your lag.
Every morning when I take my photon off the charger the memory has only about 60mb free. I reboot and it goes back to 451 free. I looked at system panel app and there was no one app that had a bunch of used memory. Oh and I just did a full wipe and a brand new mr3 flash last night. Any help would be great.
joetemp75 said:
Every morning when I take my photon off the charger the memory has only about 60mb free. I reboot and it goes back to 451 free. I looked at system panel app and there was no one app that had a bunch of used memory. Oh and I just did a full wipe and a brand new mr3 flash last night. Any help would be great.
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Android OS does not operate in the same fashion as Windows. Do not look to free RAM as some sort of performance metric, it'll get you nowhere. This is also another reason why Automated Task Killers are horrible.
In essence, Android intentionally pre-loads apps into RAM as it sees fit. Therefore apps will kick in faster when you actually invoke them. If an active app requires more RAM, the OS will manage itself and toss out a different app as needed.
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals.html
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Android OS does not operate in the same fashion as Windows. Do not look to free RAM as some sort of performance metric, it'll get you nowhere. This is also another reason why Automated Task Killers are horrible.
In essence, Android intentionally pre-loads apps into RAM as it sees fit. Therefore apps will kick in faster when you actually invoke them. If an active app requires more RAM, the OS will manage itself and toss out a different app as needed.
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals.html
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Thanks but the problem is that the phone is almost frozen when the memory is gone. when I reboot it the speed is back so maybe it is a different problem
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Thanks but the problem is that the phone is almost frozen when the memory is gone. when I reboot it the speed is back so maybe it is a different problem
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I would suggest focusing your investigation towards CPU consumption & apps that are holding wake-locks then, not necessarily RAM consumption.
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I would suggest focusing your investigation towards CPU consumption & apps that are holding wake-locks then, not necessarily RAM consumption.
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Yea that's the thing when I look at system panel the country is low and spare parts doesn't work till I root. Is there any other applications that will show me wake locks?
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https://market.android.com/details?id=nextapp.systempanel.r1&hl=en
Monitoring is your friend.
The question - How do you find a memory leak may not be the question that you are looking for.
Beknatok - answered the question correctly to what you were searching for.
There are services that start up on loading or different "Intents". These are actions that cause applications to be involved.
For example, with low storage - IMDB loads. I have no clue why, but the intent is for Low Storage condition run whatever subscribes to that intent.
If you are looking to try to find a memory leak you may have to revert to the debugger -
Try this:
Install Android SDK
Then read the link below
http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/debugging/ddms.html
I'm running dagr8s alpha 2 ics rom. And I know that it has lower ram than the gb roms. But lately I have been running Tasker (amazing app btw) numbers and it keeps notifying me that I have low ram and it might not work properly. I go to applications in settings and check my ram and it says I only have 98mb free. I end all tasks and clear ram and then still I have like 120-130 free. I'm afraid that this is a too low amount. And wanted your opinions on what I should do. Is this enough should I just ignore the warnings will Tasker still run fine? How can I get more ram? Are any of you also experiencing low ram?
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Taller uses ram also. I run trebuchet launcher on alpha 2 and have no real issues. If it gets slow you can hold home and clear things out. Running a lot of widgets still affect ram also.
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If you go to developer options in settings at the bottom and select the background processes and set it to 3 processes at most that helps alot...also if u change ur dalvik heap to 64 that also helps a ton...DO NOT and I repeat do not set it below 64 as u will soft brick your phone
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You must understand how Android uses memory, it loads your frequentlyused programs into ram so when you go to use them, they open much faster than if they would if they had to open "fresh" each time.the lmk (low memory killer) should take care of everything if you ate currently using a process that uses a lot of memory it will kill off apps as it needs to.
Put simply: FREE RAM IS WASTED RAM.
Have a marine navigation program "Navionics USA EAST" that wouldn't open in ICS(leak and Saurom) unless I cleared RAM. No issue onstock GB, and runs fine on sgh-i777 ICS? Tried debloating leak, but didn't help much. Will try limiting running programs when back on ICS.
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Free Ram is wasted ram. Never thought about it like that. I understand but i would still like some free ram just so its available for other apps i open. I did use the task manager to kill running apps and clear ram and it didnt free up that much ram that is why i was worried.
Ill try limiting background proccess to .
Also how do i set dalvik heap to 64? And what exactly does this accomplish?
Thanks for the replies guys.
Yes set it to 3 processes at most. Task manaher killers r just crap dnt use them
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Welcome to ICS. This is exactly why I DONT like ICS - the memory footprint is huge just for ICS alone.
Free ram is not entirely wasted ram.
Let me explain.
So, my phone RAM is completely (or nearly) filled and I open a new app. There is now a long delay as Android goes to work closing app(s) down and doing garbage collection to free up memory for the new app I just tried to open but it only frees up enough for the one app I just opened.
And now, every app I go to open is going to have this long delay.
What you really want is about 80% ram usage - enough that there is free ram to open new apps without Android having to scurry around to free up a bunch of memory.
I dont know if there is a way to force a certain amount of ram to be free but imo, thats what youd really want.
I only have 6 user apps on my phone and Im running stock GB so even if I opened everything at once, there would be plenty of ram to have them open all at once (Go Launcher, Blue Skies (paid), Battery Power Widget, System Tuner Pro, BeyondPod, & Audible).
It's called "minfree memory," what you want is an app that will allow you to modify those values. Back when I had a Captivate, I used an app called AutoKiller for that purpose. I haven't needed it on the Note though. You can find it in the Android market.
Is it possible for apps to crash when the phone doesnt have enough free memory (RAM)?
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
How much RAM do you guys have available when running GB. The phone only sees 767Mb of RAM out of the 1Gb is that normal?
yea i think thats normal because the phone system uses some of that ram to make the phone work. Like if you ever had a sd card or an ipod that was say an 8gb ipod you actually only have like 7.66gb free.
But yeah I would like more ram availabe so the phone can load apps quickly and wont have to waste time closing stuff. I dont think free ram is wasted ram
As said before, Android uses ram differently since it based upon Linux. If the entire ROM runs around 600-800mB and most of it gets loaded into RAM, this will leave you with 400-200mB free RAM but the entire OS is already loaded and ready to go! Once you load a RAM intensive application, Android/Linux kernel will free space for that application.
I believe GPU consumes an excess of RAM to handle this beast's resolution/size.
I have to go back to GB. Delay in apps opening is getting old compared to i777 daily driver.
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Thanks for the info, guys.