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I have noticed on my device that when you run the wifi radio and turn on the blue tooth that the blue tooth will not operate or atleast not operate properly. However if you turn wifi off bluetooth works perfectly fine. Just appears to be a conflict when both operate together.
Also has anyone figured out the overheating issue with the radio during extensive use? The phone will stop charging when the radio heats up to much from steady use. IE tethering or sprint TV.
keep the phone cool...
lafester said:
keep the phone cool...
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I keep the phone rested on a bag of ice. But this is rediculas, there is no call for a user to need to keep there phone resting on a bag of ice to use it.
Umm, just an FYI but the PPC 6800 does the same thing when actively using wifi for a long period of time. It will overheat especially if the keyboard is NOT extended and as a precaution, it will stop charging the battery.
Adi
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Umm, just an FYI but the PPC 6800 does the same thing when actively using wifi for a long period of time. It will overheat especially if the keyboard is NOT extended and as a precaution, it will stop charging the battery.
Adi
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It has been lightly said this is so, but in a yr of use and 6 ppc6800s I have been unable to replicate any of the symptoms.
the problem is this phone is on tiny and you have those radios and the processor running nonstop, things will get hot. i have not experienced those issues and i use wifi at the house due to me being on the fringe of cellular service. i also use BT at the same time... not always but i do use both, and the only thing i have noticed is the phone will still charging but that is exactly what the phone/battery is designed to do so thats not a bug and i dont think you are experiencing a bug..more likely just the results form the device getting hot...
not much you can do other than to keep the screen off when you can and try and keep the device cool...
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the problem is this phone is on tiny and you have those radios and the processor running nonstop, things will get hot. i have not experienced those issues and i use wifi at the house due to me being on the fringe of cellular service. i also use BT at the same time... not always but i do use both, and the only thing i have noticed is the phone will still charging but that is exactly what the phone/battery is designed to do so thats not a bug and i dont think you are experiencing a bug..more likely just the results form the device getting hot...
not much you can do other than to keep the screen off when you can and try and keep the device cool...
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I do understand that this is to be expected with that much going on. However, I'm on my 2nd touch pro because the first got so hot it wouldn't charge, not only with wifi use but also long telephone conversations. My current TP they sent me gets hot, but not THAT hot, and has never stopped charging. Some of the phones are simply better built than others at this point. The quality control over at HTC is really missing the mark.
There are a couple threads over at PPCGEEKS about this issue.
That being said, I love my TP and look forward to great use out of this baby.
i hear you but when Li-ION batteries get too hot they will stop charging. thats not a BUG but a SAFETY FEATURE. if your current device has not yet stopped charging then the battery has not gotten so hot as to make it unstable. i also agree some phones are built better than others--thats the cost of mass production.. cars (lemon law anyone?) and other items that arer mass produced folow the same suit....
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i hear you but when Li-ION batteries get too hot they will stop charging. thats not a BUG but a SAFETY FEATURE. if your current device has not yet stopped charging then the battery has not gotten so hot as to make it unstable. i also agree some phones are built better than others--thats the cost of mass production.. cars (lemon law anyone?) and other items that arer mass produced folow the same suit....
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It's not the battery getting to hot, the battery stays cool. It is the actual physical device over heating from the radio in the top portion of the phone. The phone itself overheats not the battery and it stops charging as well starts flaking on its wifi and BT capability's.
the electronics in the phone and baattery have thermistors that register the temps. if the environment AROUND the battery is past a certain temp level, all charging stops. again this is a part of the setup of devices that use Li-ION. if the device continued to get hot and continued to charge/maintain the battery power level, that could cause sreious issues if nothing is done about it.
again, sir, that is NO bug. its a shame the phone is so tiny--this makes it difficult for the heat to go anywhere--but keeping the keyboard open could help somewhat..
not trying to bust ya bro.. just pointing out some information...
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the electronics in the phone and baattery have thermistors that register the temps. if the environment AROUND the battery is past a certain temp level, all charging stops. again this is a part of the setup of devices that use Li-ION. if the device continued to get hot and continued to charge/maintain the battery power level, that could cause sreious issues if nothing is done about it.
again, sir, that is NO bug. its a shame the phone is so tiny--this makes it difficult for the heat to go anywhere--but keeping the keyboard open could help somewhat..
not trying to bust ya bro.. just pointing out some information...
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Yeah, the safety feature that kicks in with charging the battery isn't a bad thing at all. Annoying, yes.
For what its worth I have done a little reading and this isn't just a TP issue. I think any phone with that much under the hood and being that small is going to have this issue, for now anyway.
Check out what people are saying about the G1 being hot
http://forums.tmonews.com/index.php?topic=4109.0
cforster,
i have always said that--re: the phone is so tiny with all thats going on inside that the heat has no where to go.
i remember overclocking on a pentium 3 400mhz to about 700mhz, that thing took a HUGE heatsink, so then i think my phone has a 528mhz cpu in it, and it probably doesnt use a heatsink at all, probably just a single layer of aluminum to spread the heat so i can't complain...my phone gets hot when wifi and gps run while im driving, i wish it wouldnt stop charging but it does, i just have to hold it in front of my a/c vents for a while and the charging re-starts where it left off
Guys, i've seen this happening even with my iPhone. When i put it in the car stand and the charger is plugged it will stop charging after a while because i have hot air from the vent blowing on it.
Any phone with a Li-ion battery in it will have such a fail safe mechanism cause you REALLY don't want that bat the catch on fire.. The industry as a whole has already had plenty of problems with Li-Ion batteries..
Adi
Shame to.. because I would use the wifi all day at work if I could keep it cool.. best thing I have come up with is a small ziplock and putting ice in it and setting the phone on top of it.. leaving the keyboard out doesnt help..
As discussed in the following link,
http://community.developer.motorola...for/Spurious-ACTION-UP-MotionEvents/td-p/8038 ,
there is an issue with some moto phones and the Photon is affected. If you hold down a button, for example, like the talk button in Tikl, a BUTTON_UP event will be generated after 20 or so seconds.
As mentioned in the above link, this is Motorola's attempt at preventing false touches and they say that for now, they are not addressing it. This can obviously be bad for users of Tikl as well as some games.
I mention this for two reasons. First, I would have liked to know this before buying and others may as well. Though some may disagree, I find this to be huge. It isn't enough to return the otherwise amazing phone. But had I known beforehand, I may have thought about it more.
Second, I am wondering if it is possible for any of the devs to address this? Or would this be a part of the software that only Motorola can address?
Thank you for any input on this.
Any information on this? Certainly I would think the inability to use apps that require long touches might generate some interest?
Well perhaps this bug is really just a feature of In-Pocket Protection. I wonder if this happens with In-Pocket Protection disabled. I keep it disabled because I use a holster and haven't noticed any problems. When I saw that post on the Motorola forums I assumed that person had In-Pocket Protection enabled and didn't realize it can be disabled in the settings menu. I didn't say anything because I don't know what the hell Tikl is and didn't want to impart false wisdom on the lad.
If I hold the volume up button when on home screen the ringer volume appears and doesn't disappear until I release. After holding it for 40 seconds I choose to release which is acknowledged by an audible tone. In other words I fail to see a problem.
First of all, to explain, Tikl Touch to Talk is a walkie talkie like program. The buttons I refer to are on screen buttons. One example is the talk button that appears onscreen while in Tikl. If you press it and start talking as you are supposed to, after about 20 seconds, the phone's software will send a button up event telling the program that you stopped touching the button on the screen and thus release the microphone. The same will likely happen in android games that use on screen game pads or anything program that has on screen buttons where you sometimes need to hold them down for more than 20 seconds.
So in pocket detection does not seeem to fix it. I wonder if some kernel tweak can be done?
Ahh so now I understand exactly what you are talking about. What I don't understand is why it happens to me in 12-13 seconds. I've to press and hold my finger on the soft keys of multiple apps and sure enough in every application that I've tried, it automatically has the Button_Up event in 12 seconds or so.
Why is mine faster than others? Why is it even happening at all? I'm running the leaked MR-3 build. What about you?
Yeah. That's more or less the case for me too. Motorola in that thread claims 20 seconds but that's often not the case. I hope this can be addressed by some of the devs. I wonder if this has been tackled with the other Droid series phones since I think they suffer from this "feature" as well.
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Yeah. That's more or less the case for me too. Motorola in that thread claims 20 seconds but that's often not the case. I hope this can be addressed by some of the devs. I wonder if this has been tackled with the other Droid series phones since I think they suffer from this "feature" as well.
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It's quite annoying when using Heytell
Yeah. Heytell is another one of those apps where this problem shows up. It's a shame since this is not a fault with the hardware but rather a conscious decision made by Motorola in their programming. I see where they're going with wanting to protect against false touches but they really should let us turn it off even if it's on a per program basis. How on earth this isn't a bigger issue than it is is beyond me.
Dear all,
I've been waiting a little before rooting and installing a new ROM to make sure I don't need to return my phone for any reason. (So, it is stock now, no root, locked bootloader, KNOX still there, etc.)
So, far I've noticed three small problems, which I don't know if they are universal or just mine:
Sometimes when I get a call, the touch screen is irresponsive. If I press the lock/power button twice, it seems to work again. (I now have set up to press home to answer.)
It often feels a bit warm, more than I'd expect. (I have it in a case, though, a Spigen Slim Armor. It fits perfectly though.) But this happens sometimes when it is just sitting, not playing games. It is not really hot, but I can feel it warm in my pocket.
Sometimes I get a pop between songs. See this post
(So, at least one person also has the last problem.)
I can live with any of the problems above, but I'd hesitate to have a defective unit which can have bigger problems later on. Is any of the above an issue for you? Any suggestions if I should exchange the phone?
Thanks!
Luis
Do you remember when were the times when the screen was unresponsive?
I've read somewhere that sometimes when the screen is woken up and is under some pressure this will happen, and the only way is to do what you did. It's not uncommon in touchscreen phones though, so I wouldn't worry about it.
The verge app was broken until the most recent app update. Also, the s5 seems to refuse allowing Dashlane's accessibility service from working properly. So no more auto filling passwords for me. Ugh. I hoped rooting might help but it didn't. Now I really can't wait for custom ROMs to start appearing. Samsung, you make great hardware (like amoled displays) but your software sucks. Even the software on my Samsung TV is stupid.
Yes on two out of three!
finotti said:
Dear all,
I've been waiting a little before rooting and installing a new ROM to make sure I don't need to return my phone for any reason. (So, it is stock now, no root, locked bootloader, KNOX still there, etc.)
So, far I've noticed three small problems, which I don't know if they are universal or just mine:
Sometimes when I get a call, the touch screen is irresponsive. If I press the lock/power button twice, it seems to work again. (I now have set up to press home to answer.)
It often feels a bit warm, more than I'd expect. (I have it in a case, though, a Spigen Slim Armor. It fits perfectly though.) But this happens sometimes when it is just sitting, not playing games. It is not really hot, but I can feel it warm in my pocket.
Sometimes I get a pop between songs. See this post
(So, at least one person also has the last problem.)
I can live with any of the problems above, but I'd hesitate to have a defective unit which can have bigger problems later on. Is any of the above an issue for you? Any suggestions if I should exchange the phone?
Thanks!
Luis
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The unresponsive screen is more than a little issue, it is being reported all over the web, and get's more severe over time. I'm thinking that it is a bad proximity sensor defect, either firmware, hardware or software. Some people are reporting along with myself that sometimes for no apparent reason, the screen will not turn on even though the phone is completely operational! This has happened to me four times now and I am stock with very few apps on my phone, five total games and Pandora. I do use a substitute launcher that I've used for years but I don't believe that would be the issue since others report the same issue with stock launcher.
The pop or skipping you speak of in sound happens to many of us who stream music in our automobiles. It even happens on the note3. The fix is simple for that one though! Turn the screen on. I was told that with many of the streaming software music programs that the phones CPU goes to sleep and does not offer enough processing power to the music program. I stream all day via bluetooth to my Auto's sound system and it will usually start to skip, click or whatever after the phone has been untouched for about twenty minutes. The second I turn the screen on the problem alleviates itself. You can find even more information by googling that one, in fact both of those! The heat one I have not had, both with stock battery and zero lemon high capacity battery. The phone very rarely get's warm. However, when I was using wireless charging it would get warm even after charging was complete but I believe that is a normal event with QI type tech.
Hi, I have a specific scenario that I'm wondering if anybody can help with.
I usually have my lock screen set to swipe-to-unlock.
I never let anyone use my phone, and it pretty much never ever leaves my hands/pocket unless its charging, I watch it like a hawk.
I have a lot of visitors lately, and probably will for the next few months at least, and I do have some 'slightly' sensitive personal and work related information on my phone, so to be on the safe side, what i'm looking for is a way to have the phone set to slide-to-unlock as usual, but as soon as I connect it to a charger (and pc optionally) it will automatically enable passcode or pattern unlock, then once its unplugged, I just enter the passcode or pattern once, then it automatically switches back to slide-to-unlock again until it goes on charge next.
I've searched XDA, google, play store and other places for a few hours but came up totally empty handed, the closest thing I found is a bloated looking app which has a feature to disable lock screen security when charging, but not vice-versa.
FYI: I have a Samsung Galaxy S4 i9505 running SlimSaberKat ROM + Alucard 1.4f Kernel, but i'd put a sammy ROM like Omega if i had to.
Is there any way to have my phone have this exact behaviour?
At this stage i'm thinking i might have to spend a loooong time making a tasker or llama script/app, but i'm not looking forward to that.
Any help/suggestions would be much appreciated and there might even be some reward involved
I know all the reviews said this phone got slightly warm due to the screen, but in my nearly year-long stint of owning this phone, I find that remark to have been grossly misrepresented. When charging, my phone gets extremely hot on the power button. After charging, it takes a good 5-10 minutes to cool off. While the phone is hot, (and I mean HOT,) the phone hiccups, stutters, and can become totally unresponsive. Applications act up, etc.
When I attempt wireless charging with my add-on receiver, things get infinitely worse. I cannot charge with the screen on and data connected.
In my car, I connect via BT to my car, my audio receiver, and my OB2 scanner. That doesn't seem to be a problem, other than BT being sometimes flaky. I have a wireless charger in my car, but I only used it once -- no point. Now, even with my 2.1a charger, I cannot keep my G3 topped-off while using GPS and streaming Spotify. The phone practically melts. Things are better when I'm blasting the A/C on it straight from a vent, (and worse if I try to use my heater in cold months.
Basically this thing is in a perpetual state of overheating. I have had three of these. My last unit overheated so badly that the screen became discolored. You might say that I expect too much from my phone, but my M7 had no issue, and my S5 did not overheat. I had to give up the Sammy for other reasons.
I have made various tweaks in the past in attempt to counter the sluggishness due to heat, but that's dangerous--and likely why my last phone actually failed. I decided to leave that alone and deal with the crippling slowness. Even something as simple as swiping a word on the Google Keyboard becomes impossible.
My question to you guys, is do you notice this burden on a daily basis? Perhaps the average person that doesn't need a charger all day can keep this beast cool? I am strongly considering the S6 because of the reports flooding in of how hot the Snap 810 runs compared to the Exy. What are your thoughts?
I haven't seen this behavior at all. I've had little blips of hotness, but I almost think it's more environmental in some cases. Certainly not while charging, and I routinely leave it plugged in while I'm using it or watching Netflix or something. I'm sure you've thought about this, but are you sure it's not your charger? Does it overheat after a full factory reset (i.e. out of the box)? If not, what specific add-ons and/or ROMs do you use?
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I haven't seen this behavior at all. I've had little blips of hotness, but I almost think it's more environmental in some cases. Certainly not while charging, and I routinely leave it plugged in while I'm using it or watching Netflix or something. I'm sure you've thought about this, but are you sure it's not your charger? Does it overheat after a full factory reset (i.e. out of the box)? If not, what specific add-ons and/or ROMs do you use?
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Due to the nature of DC, the charger cannot be the culprit in terms of overheating. Not staying topped off? Sure, but not the heat. The phone regulates all of that.
You are telling me that you can stream Spotify (highest setting for me,) and Google navigation, and your phone doesn't get blisteringly hot? I've been charging on the cable (instead of wireless,) to get my phone up from 93%, with the screen completely off, and it's pretty warm on the power button right now.
I am running stock ROM, (though rooted.) I have used various G3s, various ROMs, completely stock, various chargers, you name it. No matter what, this phone gets furiously hot when the screen stays on. Even using it as a clock on my desk causes it to heat up like no one's business. Streaming a movie causes it to get pretty damn hot. It seems like the environment of the car being warmer, and GPS being used with data is the main culprit. Like the internal heatsinks/paths become overwhelmed.
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I know all the reviews said this phone got slightly warm due to the screen, but in my nearly year-long stint of owning this phone, I find that remark to have been grossly misrepresented. When charging, my phone gets extremely hot on the power button. After charging, it takes a good 5-10 minutes to cool off. While the phone is hot, (and I mean HOT,) the phone hiccups, stutters, and can become totally unresponsive. Applications act up, etc.
When I attempt wireless charging with my add-on receiver, things get infinitely worse. I cannot charge with the screen on and data connected.
In my car, I connect via BT to my car, my audio receiver, and my OB2 scanner. That doesn't seem to be a problem, other than BT being sometimes flaky. I have a wireless charger in my car, but I only used it once -- no point. Now, even with my 2.1a charger, I cannot keep my G3 topped-off while using GPS and streaming Spotify. The phone practically melts. Things are better when I'm blasting the A/C on it straight from a vent, (and worse if I try to use my heater in cold months.
Basically this thing is in a perpetual state of overheating. I have had three of these. My last unit overheated so badly that the screen became discolored. You might say that I expect too much from my phone, but my M7 had no issue, and my S5 did not overheat. I had to give up the Sammy for other reasons.
I have made various tweaks in the past in attempt to counter the sluggishness due to heat, but that's dangerous--and likely why my last phone actually failed. I decided to leave that alone and deal with the crippling slowness. Even something as simple as swiping a word on the Google Keyboard becomes impossible.
My question to you guys, is do you notice this burden on a daily basis? Perhaps the average person that doesn't need a charger all day can keep this beast cool? I am strongly considering the S6 because of the reports flooding in of how hot the Snap 810 runs compared to the Exy. What are your thoughts?
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A simple solution might just be buying an external charger and spare battery combination and never use the phone for charging.
I have always bought external battery chargers and hot swapped a fully charged battery and put my dead battery on the external wall charger when I go to sleep.
Hope this helps.
(I've been buying Anker chargers & batteries on Amazon with success)
I think you're right. However I likely won't keep this phone much longer. S6 Active or G4 are calling my name...