With the release of the Fascinate we will finally know who is responsible for the encrypted bootloaders on the Droid X/2...Motorola or Verizon
I certainly hope it is not encrypted but I wouldn't put it past Verizon as being the one responsible.
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With the release of the Fascinate we will finally know who is responsible for the encrypted bootloaders on the Droid X/2...Motorola or Verizon
I certainly hope it is not encrypted but I wouldn't put it past Verizon as being the one responsible.
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Well, do a little reading and you will see that motorola locked down the milestone, which came out overseas as the droid 1's cousin, and motorola has come out saying that they will not produce open android handsets like the droid 1 ever again. I dont think the BL will be locked down on the fascinate more so than the other galaxy s phones
Did plenty of reading/flashing/modding over the year+ about Android, it's phones, Rom's, etc so I am no rookie despite my post count at XDA. We all know Motorola's stance and their comments but the Fascinate is the only way we will really know Verizon's stance on bootloaders since the other three US variants have all been unlocked easily.
So WELL if you know the FACTS not speculation then let us hear your all worldly knowledge please.
If you've done enough reading you'll know that Verizon had nothing to do with the lockdown of the bootloader if they did then the Incredible would have been locked down as well as the ally both of which have achieved root. Not to mention Verizon doesn't have a factory where they say "Hey guys we developed this fancy eFuse and tricky bootloader that works in EVERY PHONE" because that would totally make sense a bootloader that's compatible with every chipset and every handset if that was the case someone would have developed an unlocked bootloader that works on every device. Listen to what you're saying, there is no possible way that Verizon distributes an eFuse and a custom encrypted bootloader to every manufacturer. Not trying to be rude or anything it's just common sense.
Achieving Root and Unlocking a Bootloader are two different things, try reading up on that first ok?
No one ever said Verizon is manufacturing phones, but they absolutely can tell the phone manufacturers to lock the bootloaders or Verizon will not offer the phone for sale. Also read up the bootloaders for the Incredible was locked but not digitally encrypted. Since this is the first phone Verizon is offering since the Motorola DroidX/2 which have digitally encrypted bootloaders we will know if Verizon had a hand in changing anything on the Fascinate if it is different at all from the other three US Galaxy phones. That was the only point to my post, why is this a pissing match on who searches, researches, etc more?
If you have Facts/Proof on the Fascinate and its bootloader post it, this other stuff is just crap and not getting anyone anywhere.
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If you've done enough reading you'll know that Verizon had nothing to do with the lockdown of the bootloader if they did then the Incredible would have been locked down as well as the ally both of which have achieved root. Not to mention Verizon doesn't have a factory where they say "Hey guys we developed this fancy eFuse and tricky bootloader that works in EVERY PHONE" because that would totally make sense a bootloader that's compatible with every chipset and every handset if that was the case someone would have developed an unlocked bootloader that works on every device. Listen to what you're saying, there is no possible way that Verizon distributes an eFuse and a custom encrypted bootloader to every manufacturer. Not trying to be rude or anything it's just common sense.
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"not to be rude or anything", but your post displays little "common sense". The Incredible was released before the latest droids, so obviously the Inc's bootloader is irrelevant in this situation. And who said (or inferred) anything about a verizon factory making a bootloader (and nobody even mentioned efuse)? Verizon didn't develop Bing, but they clearly have a hand in it being the only search offered on this Android phone. So it is not unreasonable to wonder if Verizon would try to exert its influence in other ways. While, I agree that it is unlikely that the Fascinate will have an encrypted bootloader, the OP asked a valid question. Not sure some people are so quick to hate. After all we are only dealing with smartphones.
There are quite people intruded interested in knowing the truth, lets keep the thread on topic PLEASE.
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I have a fascinate on hand to check if someone can let me know what they need done...
Deleted: I was wrong and no need to spread bad info.
edit: deleted, nevermind, should read the newer posts when I've got a tab open for a long time.
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I believe the bootloader is locked because the same root process for the captivate and vibrant don't work for the fascinate.
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This is no indication that it is locked or not.
It is not locked.
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It is not locked.
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Thank you... Short sweet answer.
Ksizzle can you link a thread where it shows its not locked, thanks in advance.
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i actually cannot. however we can make changes to the kernel or will be able to which actually may not mean that it isnt locked but it is definetly not encrypted like the droid x. i dont have any proof but have no other galaxy s of the six different variants have a locked bootloader and if it were locked you would have read about it somewhere already or heard peopole trashing samsung and verizon. i dont have any proof but im pretty sure its not locked becasue if it were we would have to make all these workarounds for rooting and making changes to the kernel or loading roms. a guy has already made a ROM in the development section and we dont need a BOOTSTRAPP app or anything special. trust me its not locked or we wouldnt already have a custom ROM available.
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i actually cannot. however we can make changes to the kernel or will be able to which actually may not mean that it isnt locked but it is definetly not encrypted like the droid x. i dont have any proof but have no other galaxy s of the six different variants have a locked bootloader and if it were locked you would have read about it somewhere already or heard peopole trashing samsung and verizon. i dont have any proof but im pretty sure its not locked becasue if it were we would have to make all these workarounds for rooting and making changes to the kernel or loading roms. a guy has already made a ROM in the development section and we dont need a BOOTSTRAPP app or anything special. trust me its not locked or we wouldnt already have a custom ROM available.
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Lack of a locked bootloader is why I chose this phone over the X. Well, that and the better processor. The post indicating that it is not locked can be found HERE.
so why is there such a convoluted method for rooting? On the Galaxy S I900, Vibrant, and Captivate you just throw an update.zip on the phones internal memory, reboot into recovery, and hit apply update. theres your root, no adb required, no shell commands. If its not locked then why is it this bad over here.
I believe because they have different types of internal memory. Cud b wrong. But the bootloader is why I chose this phone as well.
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so why is there such a convoluted method for rooting? On the Galaxy S I900, Vibrant, and Captivate you just throw an update.zip on the phones internal memory, reboot into recovery, and hit apply update. theres your root, no adb required, no shell commands. If its not locked then why is it this bad over here.
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The same method would work if someone compiled it for our hardware.
Hop to it someone.
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so why is there such a convoluted method for rooting? On the Galaxy S I900, Vibrant, and Captivate you just throw an update.zip on the phones internal memory, reboot into recovery, and hit apply update. theres your root, no adb required, no shell commands. If its not locked then why is it this bad over here.
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i dont have many posts here but i do a bunch of help at other sites. iv rooted the d1. the devour, the inc, the d2 and now the gal s....everytime the adb way comes first. it does not mean in anyway that the bootloader is locked. sammy gave us the codes and ina few days we will see clockwork and then a few weeks after that the real fun starts. the boot loader is not locked.
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What's up guys
I'm considering getting an Atrix when it eventually hits Europe, but people always talk about Motorola's locked bootloader. What does that actually mean? Does it mean custom ROMs are impossible? I love the look of this phone but I'd like to be able to modify it if I can't live with the supposedly-awful Motoblur.
Thanks for reading,
jennan
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What's up guys
I'm considering getting an Atrix when it eventually hits Europe, but people always talk about Motorola's locked bootloader. What does that actually mean? Does it mean custom ROMs are impossible? I love the look of this phone but I'd like to be able to modify it if I can't live with the supposedly-awful Motoblur.
Thanks for reading,
jennan
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please search forums before starting new topics
this question and discussion is in almost every topic under atrix in all categories and is cluttering up badly
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957461
But this thread is straight forward and good for noobs.
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IN SHORT.
It pretty much means you can't change the KERNEL .. which means you're limited to customization to the phone. (e.g. No cyanogenmod, No MIUI, no community upgrades to gingerbread or honeycomb etc., no custom ditbits that only a kernel can provide).
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IN SHORT.
It pretty much means you can't change the KERNEL .. which means you're limited to customization to the phone. (e.g. No cyanogenmod, No MIUI, no community upgrades to gingerbread or honeycomb etc., no custom ditbits that only a kernel can provide).
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Locked you can, encrypted you can't. All phones come locked bootloader. So we are praying that its locked and not encryped although it will likely be encrypted
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Why would they do this?
Surely they know most users will want this feature... Once they save sold it, what it is to them..?
Maybe I'm missing something here?
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Why would they do this?
Surely they know most users will want this feature... Once they save sold it, what it is to them..?
Maybe I'm missing something here?
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Wrong. Few users even know about locked/encrypted bootloaders. We are a very small minority who cares about this issue.
One thing you'll note if you look around the forums are people still using older model phones like the 8525 which have lost support from the manufacturer a long time ago. Keeping legacy hardware current is costly to manufacturers due to development costs and from competitors releasing newer model phones. Look at what happened to Motorola when they clung to the Razr. They have to keep up with the others. Every sale lost is a potential profit gain for the competition. So they always have a "newer/better model" right around the corner. Keeping their boot loaders encrypted is an attempt at forcing the user to upgrade by limiting the amount of development required to keep the phone current. Even though we are a minority, we are still viewed as lost profit if we are still staying attached to our old phones when newer models are released.
Will developers still try to get full s-off? I'm hesitant to lose warranty. I feel like we waited this long already... What's a few more weeks?
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Will developers still try to get full s-off? I'm hesitant to lose warranty. I feel like we waited this long already... What's a few more weeks?
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I went ahead and unlocked. I figured why not lol. I'm very careful with my electronics
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Will developers still try to get full s-off? I'm hesitant to lose warranty. I feel like we waited this long already... What's a few more weeks?
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Im still waiting but not because of warranty concern, more of a " Im to lazy and dont feel like getting off the couch" kind of lazy. I also dont want to screw up anything even though it doesnt look so hard. And i just want to try aosp roms so im just going to stick to stock for awhile until full s-off ( If our amazing devs still try to do that. )
I am not. The latest hboot on the 3D is proving difficult to crack, and they have unlocked bootloaders as well. I am sure people will keep at it but it has been a few months for them working on the 3D with no luck yet.
While not a given fact, HTC has usually honored warranties for things unrelated to root. It is hit and miss though, some get lucky some don't. That was on tmobile though, as the carriers usually handle the claims side of that. If you are worried get the insurance, then warranty does not matter.
If you're not worried about flashing kernels or radios, then you don't need to worry about S-off. As stated several times in other threads, the majority of what users do with their phones can be done now, including flashing ROMs, custom recoveries, rooting, tethering, etc.
Jump on it and get it done, you'll be thankful you did.
I unlocked and been flashing away, go for it
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Don't see why you'd want to wait for s-off people. You can flash pretty much anything except a radio. Pretty sure we'll see some CM lovin or at least an AOSP rom to tide us over. I don't think they're going to work on s-off anymore since the BL is unlocked.
No hurry here, will wait until you guys get all the bugs out. I would like to wait for s-off so I can change radios and go back to stock if I need to. Don't want my ESN on the list to void my warranty.
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If you're not worried about flashing kernels or radios, then you don't need to worry about S-off. As stated several times in other threads, the majority of what users do with their phones can be done now, including flashing ROMs, custom recoveries, rooting, tethering, etc.
Jump on it and get it done, you'll be thankful you did.
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I've seen several people say in other recent threads that with the newly available methods that kernel flashing will in fact be possible. Can anybody else confirm or deny this? Thanks!
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I've seen several people say in other recent threads that with the newly available methods that kernel flashing will in fact be possible. Can anybody else confirm or deny this? Thanks!
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It's been stated several times in the development thread that yes you can flash kernels with s-on
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No hurry here, will wait until you guys get all the bugs out. I would like to wait for s-off so I can change radios and go back to stock if I need to. Don't want my ESN on the list to void my warranty.
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Have fun waiting as I doubt anyone is working on S-off anymore. If they are working on s-off it'll probably be awhile. Verizon still might honor the warranty and if not there's insurance, so I could care less about my ESN being on the "void list".
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It's been stated several times in the development thread that yes you can flash kernels with s-on
Have fun waiting as I doubt anyone is working on S-off anymore. If they are working on s-off it'll probably be awhile. Verizon still might honor the warranty and if not there's insurance, so I could care less about my ESN being on the "void list".
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I don't mind waiting ,my Rezound is faster ,smoother and has more memory than any rooted phone I every had .
If you try to sell your phone it won't have a clean ESN if it is on the list. Or will it ??
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I don't mind waiting ,my Rezound is faster ,smoother and has more memory than any rooted phone I every had .
If you try to sell your phone it won't have a clean ESN if it is on the list. Or will it ??
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It's only blacklisted if it's reported lost/stolen.
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I've seen several people say in other recent threads that with the newly available methods that kernel flashing will in fact be possible. Can anybody else confirm or deny this? Thanks!
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Yes you can flash kernels. The only way I know to do it for sure is to use fastboot but its possible there are other methods.
The ONLY things that cannot be flashed are radios, bootloaders, (understandably considering those are the two things that WILL cause a HARD brick if done wrong or with corrupted files) and I believe splash1 cannot be changed. (not sure why probably because its usually a manufacturer branding)
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I'm waiting for "LOCKED" and "S-ON". Same as on my Incredible. I do hope someone is working on that.
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I don't mind waiting ,my Rezound is faster ,smoother and has more memory than any rooted phone I every had .
If you try to sell your phone it won't have a clean ESN if it is on the list. Or will it ??
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pretty sure you could still sell it your esn would be red flagged meaning no warranty but im not 100% u never know with verizon
That's for sure. Glad I don't pay online.
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I'm waiting for "LOCKED" and "S-ON". Same as on my Incredible. I do hope someone is working on that.
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I'd settle for a devs s-off.
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I am fairly new to all of this, have rooted, CWM and ROM'ed a few DINC's and rooted a couple Kindle Fire's, so please bear with me
What is the difference between "S-OFF" and an unlocked boot loader?
What is a Kernel, Radio, ROM, Boot loader, Recovery, etc.? They are all pieces to the puzzle, and I understand a little, but could someone link the pieces together for me? Or suggest a good place to learn the basics of all this stuff?
If I use HTC DEV to unlock the Boot loader, will I be able to gid rid of Verizon's crap ware?
Thanks,
Sam
sstriano said:
I am fairly new to all of this, have rooted, CWM and ROM'ed a few DINC's and rooted a couple Kindle Fire's, so please bear with me
What is the difference between "S-OFF" and an unlocked boot loader?
What is a Kernel, Radio, ROM, Boot loader, Recovery, etc.? They are all pieces to the puzzle, and I understand a little, but could someone link the pieces together for me? Or suggest a good place to learn the basics of all this stuff?
If I use HTC DEV to unlock the Boot loader, will I be able to gid rid of Verizon's crap ware?
Thanks,
Sam
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The info's out there, search is your friend. This has been discussed plenty of times just in the Rezound forum alone, not to mention the entire XDA website.
sstriano said:
I am fairly new to all of this, have rooted, CWM and ROM'ed a few DINC's and rooted a couple Kindle Fire's, so please bear with me
What is the difference between "S-OFF" and an unlocked boot loader?
What is a Kernel, Radio, ROM, Boot loader, Recovery, etc.? They are all pieces to the puzzle, and I understand a little, but could someone link the pieces together for me? Or suggest a good place to learn the basics of all this stuff?
If I use HTC DEV to unlock the Boot loader, will I be able to gid rid of Verizon's crap ware?
Thanks,
Sam
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Here's a list of links I have bookmarked for my studying purposes:
Collection of Root Guides
Will unlock my phone after I learn more about all of this. I'm surprised you rooted Dincs without understanding this stuff!
The locked bootloader troubles the devs were/are facing and the sideloading of apps and eventually roms, is this unique to the nook family as far as it only occuring with the tablet? Did the color have these same barriers in the beginning? And, are any of the colors groundbreakers onboard with the tablet now?
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The nook color doesn't have a locked bootloader.
i think some color devs are? but having the bootloader unlocked =
I wasn't sure. I know the purpose of the locked bootloader, and that numerous devices have had this. In the case of these other devices, have the bootloaders been unlocked, bypassed, replaced, or rewritten?
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I wasn't sure. I know the purpose of the locked bootloader, and that numerous devices have had this. In the case of these other devices, have the bootloaders been unlocked, bypassed, replaced, or rewritten?
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The nook tablet is a fairly unique situation. Plenty of bootloaders are locked but the nt is locked and signed or something to that effect. From my understanding, the devs were able to find a security flaw that allowed them to bypass the security check entirely and then make necessary modifications to allow for custom roms. I believe a similar method wasbused on a samsung device and this is where the idea was derived from.
As for other devices, my xoom was locked but Motorola made it so you cannot unlock it in fastboot. My photon needed to be hacked, but doing so breaks 4g. I think the droid x still has a locked bootloader but they managed to find a way to flash roms. The new transformer prime is locked down pretty hard; 128 bit encryption. Luckily asus has promised to deliver a method to unlock it. Well see if they deliver.
So yeah, kinda a case by case thing. The nt was probably one of the harder ones though.
and this is why i come here! LOL. in the space of 3 short paragraphs, i have a better understanding of bootloaders and how it applies to us and the NT. thanks guys!
For further reading, reddit has a nice write up on bootloaders. Also the r/android subreddit is awesome, very active and very helpful.
The r/nook subreddit is decent, I try to help as much as I can there
The signed bootloader is now irrelevant because several flaws were found in the chain of commands when checking for a secure boot. Many manufacturers are trying to make the software unhackable because they want to control where you purchase additional software from.
Apple products are exclusive, and if you want to compete with them but are incapable of developing your own software like palm or blackberry, you have to turn to google and their android package. The problem with this is that Android is open source and they are required to release their software to the public. All android devices are programmed with the same language and can be stripped down and reinstalled to basic android software. This means that any hardware, released with android, can be hacked and unlocked to use the basic android market. "Resistance is futile."- borg
Albert-
I've been reading through several of the dev threads having to do with 'Cracked bootloader' and am a little confused...ok, a lot confused. There seems to be 2 different methods of attack to bypass the signed bootloader. I believe AdamOutler's method involves installing a modchip in the NT (I would think most nt users would not be willing to do that) and it sounds like you are saying there is another way/simpler way to sneak around the signed bootloader without hardwiring a chip. Am I wrong? Will we really have to install a 'modchip'?
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Albert-
I've been reading through several of the dev threads having to do with 'Cracked bootloader' and am a little confused...ok, a lot confused. There seems to be 2 different methods of attack to bypass the signed bootloader. I believe AdamOutler's method involves installing a modchip in the NT (I would think most nt users would not be willing to do that) and it sounds like you are saying there is another way/simpler way to sneak around the signed bootloader without hardwiring a chip. Am I wrong? Will we really have to install a 'modchip'?
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From my understanding, the two methods were conceived very close together time wise. The hardware mod way was first, but shortly after they found some security flaws that allowed them to bypass the bootloader security check and make modifications to it from there.
Now that an unlocked bootloader is an option, do you think the Rezound will ever get S-OFF?
For most, it seems that foregoing a warranty and unlocking the bootloader through htcdev doesn't present any issues. But many of us simply don't want to get exposed to that risk.
Question came up in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22105407#post22105407
We already have permanent root. Are you talking about S-OFF?
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GordoGuapo said:
We already have permanent root. Are you talking about S-OFF?
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Talking about the ability to load a ROM.
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Talking about the ability to load a ROM.
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really? do you not see the 10 ROMS listed in the same section that you posted incorrectly in?
the rezound is/was rooted like 2 months ago
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Talking about the ability to load a ROM.
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If you read the forum your in you would know we already can load ROMS and kernels, we just can't touch radios
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Talking about the ability to load a ROM.
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well as to whether or you will be able to ever root your phone with htc dev unlock....probably not
it didnt seem like there was a huge effort made to s-off the rezound prior to unlock (aside from evil fake dev null's bs)
now that there is a way to flash roms, i doubt anyone is bothering
hopefully this is not the future of htc devices on vzw going forward, as personally ive used og inc and inc2 fully s-off and would probably think twice is my next htc phone was dev unlock only
but this should be in general anyway, not development
Obviously, ROM's are available.
Obviously, you can flash them with an unlocked bootloader.
If you don't unlock the bootloader, you are saying there is a Root method available that will allow you to flash a ROM?
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Obviously, ROM's are available.
Obviously, you can flash them with an unlocked bootloader.
If you don't unlock the bootloader, you are saying there is a Root method available that will allow you to flash a ROM?
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No. Why would you think that was on option? Just unlock the effing bootloader. There will probably never be s-off.
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No. Why would you think that was on option? Just unlock the effing bootloader. There will probably never be s-off.
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Because that has been the case for every phone I've owned. Did you even take the time to read the original post? Maybe my English wasn't plain enough? Unlocking the bootloader simply isn't an option for some people.
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Because that has been the case for every phone I've owned. Did you even take the time to read the original post? Maybe my English wasn't plain enough? Unlocking the bootloader simply isn't an option for some people.
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Then don't do it. It's that simple.
This isn't every phone you've ever owned. This is the culmination of every HTC phone released for the last few years. They've learned how to plug nearly all, or enough, of the possible exploits to unlock the bootloader while offering a way to unlock it that doesn't require devs beating their heads against a wall, perhaps fruitlessly for months. The devs aren't going to bother, because why would they? HTC's given us a perfectly reasonable way, and credit to them.
The fact is, we simply don't know what will happen to phones returned under warranty. Plenty of people have returned unlocked phones with no problems.
Thank you for your contribution. This is information I would like to have had before buying this phone. Obviously, it is a gamble to unlock. They make it very clear that it voids your warranty. If there are reports of people getting warranty service in spite of the phone being unlocked, then that is pure luck.
Some of us prefer not to rely on luck.
Never imagined I'd see this type of animosity for a simple question. Especially one as important as this, in relation to this phone.
It appears to me that there's not a large quantity of devs supporting this phone. Hopefully more get the Rezound. I came from the AT&T Captivate and there were tons of devs cooking up ROMS for that one. I had always heard that HTC phones had great dev support on XDA so I didnt really do my homework before buying the phone, it was more of an impulse buy once I saw the large beautiful screen.
All I've done so far is unlock and root my phone. Still running stock and so far I like it a lot. Havent really felt the need to drop a different rom on my phone, or even flash a different kernel. One reason I guess is, the phone works really well as-is, and seems like each kernel or other rom seems to have a good many noted issues.
I hope this improves over time. I loved flashing different roms on my Galaxy S and they were extremely high quality with basically no issues at all. Matter of fact I had been running ICS since back in december and using it as my "daily driver" and it worked extremely well. I believe the only issue was it wouldnt do video recording.
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Thank you for your contribution. This is information I would like to have had before buying this phone. Obviously, it is a gamble to unlock. They make it very clear that it voids your warranty. If there are reports of people getting warranty service in spite of the phone being unlocked, then that is pure luck.
Some of us prefer not to rely on luck.
Never imagined I'd see this type of animosity for a simple question. Especially one as important as this, in relation to this phone.
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They make it very clear it MAY void your warranty. Go check the page. Nowhere does it say "your warranty is now void."
I think most of the animosity is from posting about something that has been beaten to death, in the wrong forum.
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No. Why would you think that was on option? Just unlock the effing bootloader. There will probably never be s-off.
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I'm new to HTC phones...but what is S-OFF and what is the difference between that and unlocking the bootloader via HTCdev.com.
I've unlocked my bootloader, just for the sake of doing it. It was simple. What extra benefits would S-OFF give?
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They make it very clear it MAY void your warranty. Go check the page. Nowhere does it say "your warranty is now void."
I think most of the animosity is from posting about something that has been beaten to death, in the wrong forum.
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I think the website just says that if you unlock your bootloader HTC may charge you more if you require factory servicing.
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They make it very clear it MAY void your warranty. Go check the page. Nowhere does it say "your warranty is now void."
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Fair enough.
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I think most of the animosity is from posting about something that has been beaten to death, in the wrong forum.
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Help me out here. I've searched about this topic. I referenced the one other thread where the question was asked. There was very little discussion.
S-Off makes it easier to flash kernels and ROMs. You can flash them together with s-off.
This may be a dumb question, but can a Mod please close/move this thread? It's extremely pointless and definitely in the wrong section.
EDIT: and to the OP, THIS is what tekhna is talking about.
derek4484 said:
It appears to me that there's not a large quantity of devs supporting this phone. Hopefully more get the Rezound. I came from the AT&T Captivate and there were tons of devs cooking up ROMS for that one. I had always heard that HTC phones had great dev support on XDA so I didnt really do my homework before buying the phone, it was more of an impulse buy once I saw the large beautiful screen.
All I've done so far is unlock and root my phone. Still running stock and so far I like it a lot. Havent really felt the need to drop a different rom on my phone, or even flash a different kernel. One reason I guess is, the phone works really well as-is, and seems like each kernel or other rom seems to have a good many noted issues.
I hope this improves over time. I loved flashing different roms on my Galaxy S and they were extremely high quality with basically no issues at all. Matter of fact I had been running ICS since back in december and using it as my "daily driver" and it worked extremely well. I believe the only issue was it wouldnt do video recording.
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I'd hoped this would improve, over time, as well. I don't get that impression, judging by the reaction in this thread.
What is ROM? is that an internal component of the phone? Like memory? Is there soldering involved to load a ROM?
WasabiWa83 said:
S-Off makes it easier to flash kernels and ROMs. You can flash them together with s-off.
This may be a dumb question, but can a Mod please close/move this thread? It's extremely pointless and definitely in the wrong section.
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If the thread is in the wrong section - I can see the need to move it. But closing it would prevent would-be buyers from obtaining valuable information that could be critical to their purchase decision. No reason to hide the truth that the Rezound will probably never get S-OFF.
SamXp said:
I'd hoped this would improve, over time, as well. I don't get that impression, judging by the reaction in this thread.
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I think the reaction your getting is because this has been hashed and rehashed alot and putting topics in Development is a big no no . HTC has said they will still honor the warranty related to hardware as long as customizing isn't the cause of the failure..ie overclocking and burning up processor etc.. Verizon is the one that voids the warranty which is understandable after reading the threads of people that do stuff without reading prior to messing with the phone.
As a long time basic phone owner I am finally decided to make the switch to android. I have done my research and have come to the conclusion that i would like to purchase the Samsung galaxy S III. However, money is always an issue and I am trying to spend as little as possible but get the most of out my phone.
With Verizon, my current service, the additional 720$ for the 2 year data contract is scary, but the phone, only 200$ is nice. My major question about Verizon is, is it possible to root the Verizon SGSIII. I have read multiple posts from outraged customers who bricked their phones due to the locked bootloader on the Verizon SGSIII. Also, from what i have read from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1756885 it is possible to root the verizon version of this phone although it is more complicated.
My second option is to purchase the Samsung Galaxy Nexus and root this phone through verizon. I would love to run Android 4.1 Jelly Bean on my device which is why i would like to root the device and flash something that would give me this enhancement. However, if i purchase the Galaxy Nexus, i am locked into a 2 year contract with a phone that came out 6 months ago and could soon be outdated by its "older brother" said to be released this december.
Which is my best option and if someone could please clear up the Root problems with the Verizon SGSIII it would be extremely helpful. Thanks for any response!
Best Regards
JSMessick
What are you guys talking about...10 seconds in the Verizon forum would turn up a root tutorial thread. So yes, root is available and there are workarounds that permit custom kernels.
Edit: there's a sticky thread in this very forum of how to obtain root on the Verizon gs3. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1762709
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From what I understand Verizon Galaxy S3 owners will be able to root but not be able to flash kernels or use aosp roms like CM9/10 since you guys can't flash a kernel.
Unless you buy the bootloader unlocked Verizon Galaxy S3 from Samsung directly, you won't be able to flash kernels.
Again that is inaccurate. Using kexec we can boot custom kernels. We have an early version of cm9 running too. The real hold up is the ril which prevents the cm9 build from having mobile data
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To my understanding, they released a developer version that's boot loader unlocked.
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Avelnan said:
To my understanding, they released a developer version that's boot loader unlocked.
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They are, with the release date undisclosed, however it is 600$ which is a little outrageous.
bobloblaw1 said:
Again that is inaccurate. Using kexec we can boot custom kernels. We have an early version of cm9 running too. The real hold up is the ril which prevents the cm9 build from having mobile data
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So if i purchase the verizon version of the phone and i root it and flash CM9/10 using kexec will the phone still work? what do you mean by the RIL preventing cm9 from having mobile data? just want to clarify thanks for the help.
JSMessick said:
So if i purchase the verizon version of the phone and i root it and flash CM9/10 using kexec will the phone still work? what do you mean by the RIL preventing cm9 from having mobile data? just want to clarify thanks for the help.
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To clarify some things, since half of the users on these boards are misinformed:
The Verizon (and pretty much every) Galaxy S3 has had root since virtually their release date.
The Verizon version does have a locked bootloader (see #3), and there is going to be a "Developer Edition" released directly from Samsung with pretty much no warranty, and it will be completely unsubsidized.
The bootloader lock has not stopped us from flashing custom ROMs or custom kernels. See below.
Here's some source links for you, in rough chronological order:
The "Root66" method for easily obtaining root
Original proof-of-concept showing custom kernels can be booted
Standard install of CyanogenMod 9 via kexec demonstrated
Functioning 3G/4G data on CyanogenMod 9 demonstrated
Unofficial guide to installing CyanogenMod 9
CVPCS states locked bootloader is a non-issue
Ongoing research & development on the locked bootloader
I could go on and on, but as you can see, development of custom ROMs (both TouchWiz and AOSP based) has not been hindered by the locked bootloader.
The community has pulled together on this, and developers from non-Verizon carriers have been tons of help in all the progress that has been made so far.
Many people, including myself, do not support the idea of the Developer Edition SGS3, and I personally doubt it will have even a tiny fraction of the community the consumer version has.
wifi hot spot on verizon galaxy iii
My question is. Even though the bootloader is locked am I still able to get root access and use the existing rom that cane with the phone originally and add the wifi hot spot feature. If so where do I find the wifi hotspot software? Sorry if it is a noob question but this is my first post.
Thanks in advance
ExodusC said:
To clarify some things, since half of the users on these boards are misinformed:
The Verizon (and pretty much every) Galaxy S3 has had root since virtually their release date.
The Verizon version does have a locked bootloader (see #3), and there is going to be a "Developer Edition" released directly from Samsung with pretty much no warranty, and it will be completely unsubsidized.
The bootloader lock has not stopped us from flashing custom ROMs or custom kernels. See below.
Here's some source links for you, in rough chronological order:
The "Root66" method for easily obtaining root
Original proof-of-concept showing custom kernels can be booted
Standard install of CyanogenMod 9 via kexec demonstrated
Functioning 3G/4G data on CyanogenMod 9 demonstrated
Unofficial guide to installing CyanogenMod 9
CVPCS states locked bootloader is a non-issue
Ongoing research & development on the locked bootloader
I could go on and on, but as you can see, development of custom ROMs (both TouchWiz and AOSP based) has not been hindered by the locked bootloader.
The community has pulled together on this, and developers from non-Verizon carriers have been tons of help in all the progress that has been made so far.
Many people, including myself, do not support the idea of the Developer Edition SGS3, and I personally doubt it will have even a tiny fraction of the community the consumer version has.
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saedhamad said:
My question is. Even though the bootloader is locked am I still able to get root access and use the existing rom that cane with the phone originally and add the wifi hot spot feature. If so where do I find the wifi hotspot software? Sorry if it is a noob question but this is my first post.
Thanks in advance
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Please visit the Verizon SGS3 development forum, all of your questions can be answered with a little browsing.
In short: yes you can root your phone very easily. You can install Free Wifi Tether from the Google Play store, and it works fine on a rooted phone. Finally, rooting involves installing a "stock" ROM (i.e. the one that came with your phone), the only difference being root access.
I have done all of this, so has my totally noob roommate.
saedhamad said:
My question is. Even though the bootloader is locked am I still able to get root access and use the existing rom that cane with the phone originally and add the wifi hot spot feature. If so where do I find the wifi hotspot software? Sorry if it is a noob question but this is my first post.
Thanks in advance
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I thought my post was pretty clear that you can easily gain root access with the current ROM.
I don't know about using the built-in wifi hotspot feature, but I know apps from the Play Store like FoxFi work just fine, even without root.
The Kexec method is a bandaid solution that can easily be patched by Verizon in the future.
JSMessick said:
As a long time basic phone owner I am finally decided to make the switch to android. I have done my research and have come to the conclusion that i would like to purchase the Samsung galaxy S III. However, money is always an issue and I am trying to spend as little as possible but get the most of out my phone.
With Verizon, my current service, the additional 720$ for the 2 year data contract is scary, but the phone, only 200$ is nice. My major question about Verizon is, is it possible to root the Verizon SGSIII. I have read multiple posts from outraged customers who bricked their phones due to the locked bootloader on the Verizon SGSIII. Also, from what i have read from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1756885 it is possible to root the verizon version of this phone although it is more complicated.
My second option is to purchase the Samsung Galaxy Nexus and root this phone through verizon. I would love to run Android 4.1 Jelly Bean on my device which is why i would like to root the device and flash something that would give me this enhancement. However, if i purchase the Galaxy Nexus, i am locked into a 2 year contract with a phone that came out 6 months ago and could soon be outdated by its "older brother" said to be released this december.
Which is my best option and if someone could please clear up the Root problems with the Verizon SGSIII it would be extremely helpful. Thanks for any response!
Best Regards
JSMessick
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Going from basic phone (I'm assuming by that u mean a NON smartphone).... And already thinking of modifying. Wow lol.... Just get the gs3 my guess is u will be amazed at its capabilities right out of the box. Welcome to android btw.
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Just one final question, i know there are many people working on getting 4.1 Jellybean onto the SGSIII for the other versions (at&t sprint international etc.) is there a way i can get it onto the verizon one even with the locked bootloader? Like it is possible to get CM10 alpha on my phone and possible use that? or has this not been figured out yet. sorry for all the questions i just wanna try to learn as much as possible before i make a purchase.
JSMessick said:
Just one final question, i know there are many people working on getting 4.1 Jellybean onto the SGSIII for the other versions (at&t sprint international etc.) is there a way i can get it onto the verizon one even with the locked bootloader? Like it is possible to get CM10 alpha on my phone and possible use that? or has this not been figured out yet. sorry for all the questions i just wanna try to learn as much as possible before i make a purchase.
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Idk about that BUT I do know that we should be getting the official JB pushed to our devices in Q4 of this year. I've been reading late aug-sep.
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