Can't do a Nandroid backup. - Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I cannot use ROM Manager to preform a backup. When I select "Backup Current ROM" it reboots, goes to recovery starts "backing up" and doesn't do anything. I waited there for 20 minutes and it didn't move. Took out the battery and tried again. Same deal.
Any help?

SamVib said:
I cannot use ROM Manager to preform a backup. When I select "Backup Current ROM" it reboots, goes to recovery starts "backing up" and doesn't do anything. I waited there for 20 minutes and it didn't move. Took out the battery and tried again. Same deal.
Any help?
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I dont use that menu, whenever I make a nandroid backup, I go into clockwork recovery, select nandroid, then select backup.
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wildklymr said:
I dont use that menu, whenever I make a nandroid backup, I go into clockwork recovery, select nandroid, then select backup.
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Odd. I don't see an actual "nandroid" to select. Can you elaborate?

SamVib said:
Odd. I don't see an actual "nandroid" to select. Can you elaborate?
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Yep, rom manager and clockwork recovery are 2 different things packaged together. Look at the top 2 options in rom manager. First, click flash clockworkmod recovery and choose vibrant. Once done click reboot into recovery. If you see your normal recovery screen thats ok. Click reinstall packages and you will be taken to clockwork recovery and see the nandroid menu. Volume keys for up and down. Power key to select.
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Also, one thing to keep in mind, this puts an update.zip in the root of your sdcard.(internal) keep it there. Never remove it. If you need to flash a different zip file like you may have done to root it, use clockwork recovery. There is an option to choose the zip you want to flash without renaming the file to update.zip. The reason being is if you move or delete the update.zip from your root, if something does go wrong you will not be able to get to clockwork recovery by reinstalling packages in your normal recovery screen to restore the backup you will have made.
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ok si i have a similar issue, i rooted fine, i installed rom manager i did the clowork download for the vibrant but when i click boot into recovery it says installing package or whatever but then it says it couldnt verify signature and then yeah it fails and reboots. its never happened to me before, i tried to factory reset, unroot and try from fresh but still no go

Related

[Q] what's wrong with my clock mod recovery?

I installed it through rom manager.
And every time I wanna go to recovery
It goes to the android recovery and not
clock mod's.
I also get a check sum error and it can open something
Can anyone plz tell me what's wrong?
Thanks
Did you follow the steps koush gave in his thread for CWR?
Installation instructions:
1.Download ROM Manager from the Market.
2.Flash Recovery.
3.Choose Vibrant as your phone.
4.Accept the Superuser prompt.
5.On the very FIRST boot of Clockwork, you may need to manually select "reinstall packages" if Clockwork does not start. You should only ever have to do this once. It will be automatic from then on.
6.Watch the backup go!
s15274n said:
Did you follow the steps koush gave in his thread for CWR?
Installation instructions:
1.Download ROM Manager from the Market.
2.Flash Recovery.
3.Choose Vibrant as your phone.
4.Accept the Superuser prompt.
5.On the very FIRST boot of Clockwork, you may need to manually select "reinstall packages" if Clockwork does not start. You should only ever have to do this once. It will be automatic from then on.
6.Watch the backup go!
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I'm not sure can u direct me to them plz
You probably tried to partition the internal memory with clockwork mod. I also had that same issue before my replacement vibrant came. Now I flashed alot of roms and my recovery still looks normal. Im so relieved.
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s15274n said:
Did you follow the steps koush gave in his thread for CWR?
Installation instructions:
1.Download ROM Manager from the Market.
2.Flash Recovery.
3.Choose Vibrant as your phone.
4.Accept the Superuser prompt.
5.On the very FIRST boot of Clockwork, you may need to manually select "reinstall packages" if Clockwork does not start. You should only ever have to do this once. It will be automatic from then on.
6.Watch the backup go!
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I did that every single step even the re install through
Regular recovery
But nothing
you opened rom manager, you selected to flash CWR, then you rebooted into recovery, then you reinstalled packages?
I've never heard anyone have an issue, just trying to make absolute certain you followed the steps before we try anything else.
ilaf0106 said:
I did that every single step even the re install through
Regular recovery
But nothing
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If you partition your sd through clock mod recovery
Is for you internal sd or external sd?
Do NOT patrition, it will mess your phone up.
s15274n said:
Do NOT patrition, it will mess your phone up.
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That's what I did trying to partition my sd card
But it got the internal! ยก!!!!
Do you know how to get internal sd back to
Factory settings?
Having same issue as OP
Can't get into clockmodwork green menu.
Currently running 2.2 update from kies any suggestion? I want to flash the phone with the new team whisky mod.
I followed the steps s15274n gave and when I try to re-install the packages I get..
E:failed to verify whole-file signature
E:signature verification failed
Installation aborted.
Are you sure ur phone is rooted. Clockwork recovery wont work until its rooted. For some strange reason everytime I go back to stock to flash a new rom I have to do a full sd wipe. Even when the update.zip file is there for root there's something that on the card that wont let me root until after I completely wipe the sd card.
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Maybe odin back to stock
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s15274n said:
Did you follow the steps koush gave in his thread for CWR?
Installation instructions:
1.Download ROM Manager from the Market.
2.Flash Recovery.
3.Choose Vibrant as your phone.
4.Accept the Superuser prompt.
5.On the very FIRST boot of Clockwork, you may need to manually select "reinstall packages" if Clockwork does not start. You should only ever have to do this once. It will be automatic from then on.
6.Watch the backup go!
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These steps also do not work for me. When running "reinstall package" it will see the new update.zip file but does not load it. It skips it and just boots back into the standard blue recovery mode. I have flashed and re-flashed about a hundred time. I even tried older flashes of clockwork.
I installed 2.2 through Samsung Kies.
Running KA6
I rooted with Superoneclick
Android system recovery <3e>
kane337 said:
These steps also do not work for me. When running "reinstall package" it will see the new update.zip file but does not load it. It skips it and just boots back into the standard blue recovery mode. I have flashed and re-flashed about a hundred time. I even tried older flashes of clockwork.
I installed 2.2 through Samsung Kies.
Running KA6
I rooted with Superoneclick
Android system recovery <3e>
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Its the 3e recovery.
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AgentFour20 said:
Its the 3e recovery.
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Bingo. You need to be running either 2e, or a modded 3e. Cwm is useless without one of those.
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Check out untermensch's modified 3e recovery.
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muddysmind said:
I followed the steps s15274n gave and when I try to re-install the packages I get..
E:failed to verify whole-file signature
E:signature verification failed
Installation aborted.
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I used to have this problem too.
I followed these steps to update my Android system recovery <3e>.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833423
AgentFour20 said:
Check out untermensch's modified 3e recovery.
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Yea, I already followed his steps....twice.
I'll dig deeper into the 3e situation. At least this get me going somewhere.
Is it possible for me to fall back to 2e?

Rom Manager/ClockworkMod

Hi guys,
I just downloaded Rom Manager today. I was successful with "Flash ClockworkMod Recovery'. I wanted to flash Nero v3. I rebooted the phone by holding both volume buttons and power button at the same time. I get into the
2e recovery (blue screen). But I read that i needed to be in the green recovery screen to flash the rom. Also someone in the forum said try, 'reinstalling packages', but that didn't do anything. After a few times trying to reinstalling packages, i noticed that Titanium backup and Superuser Permissions FC all the time.
I'm not sure what I did wrong? Did I over do it with the reinstall packages? Any insight would be appreciated.
Thanks inadvance.
Push the nero v3 rom to the root of ur sd card, and then select the install rom from sd card option from ROM manager and select the file and thats it..the phone boots into recovery and the flashing starts..
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bosslabs said:
Push the nero v3 rom to the root of ur sd card, and then select the install rom from sd card option from ROM manager and select the file and thats it..the phone boots into recovery and the flashing starts..
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He's asking how to go into Clockwork first haha, your idea may work, but sometimes, it needs to go into the regular blue screen recovery no matter what to go into the clockwork.
eggnoodle said:
Hi guys,
I just downloaded Rom Manager today. I was successful with "Flash ClockworkMod Recovery'. I wanted to flash Nero v3. I rebooted the phone by holding both volume buttons and power button at the same time. I get into the
2e recovery (blue screen). But I read that i needed to be in the green recovery screen to flash the rom. Also someone in the forum said try, 'reinstalling packages', but that didn't do anything. After a few times trying to reinstalling packages, i noticed that Titanium backup and Superuser Permissions FC all the time.
I'm not sure what I did wrong? Did I over do it with the reinstall packages? Any insight would be appreciated.
Thanks inadvance.
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Check your SD Card, be sure you have a zip called update.zip, thats where the clockwork is stored.
What exactly is happening when you press reinstall packages? like nothing?
Usually, mine does this it boots into the blue screen recovery then i select reinstall packages, then it reboots back to blue screen, and this time when i press reinstall packages, it turns black for half a second and then goes into clockwork.
If you could explain it in more detail of whats happening, then i'd be happy to help you, it may be that your update.zip is corrupted?
try the idea of the guy above as well, it might help.
eggnoodle said:
Hi guys,
I just downloaded Rom Manager today. I was successful with "Flash ClockworkMod Recovery'. I wanted to flash Nero v3. I rebooted the phone by holding both volume buttons and power button at the same time. I get into the
2e recovery (blue screen). But I read that i needed to be in the green recovery screen to flash the rom. Also someone in the forum said try, 'reinstalling packages', but that didn't do anything. After a few times trying to reinstalling packages, i noticed that Titanium backup and Superuser Permissions FC all the time.
I'm not sure what I did wrong? Did I over do it with the reinstall packages? Any insight would be appreciated.
Thanks inadvance.
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Your rom manager needs unstalled and reinstalled.
Should work.
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eggnoodle said:
Hi guys,
I just downloaded Rom Manager today. I was successful with "Flash ClockworkMod Recovery'. I wanted to flash Nero v3. I rebooted the phone by holding both volume buttons and power button at the same time. I get into the
2e recovery (blue screen). But I read that i needed to be in the green recovery screen to flash the rom. Also someone in the forum said try, 'reinstalling packages', but that didn't do anything. After a few times trying to reinstalling packages, i noticed that Titanium backup and Superuser Permissions FC all the time.
I'm not sure what I did wrong? Did I over do it with the reinstall packages? Any insight would be appreciated.
Thanks inadvance.
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UPDATE
I ended up having to odin back to stock, rooted, download Rom manager and 'flashclockwork recovery. I was then able to flash to nero 3 with voodoo!

[Q] Creating a nandroid backup? [FIXED]

I'm rooted with CWM installed but when I boot into recovery, I don't have any option to backup/restore. It's the light blue recovery menu and I'm booting by holding down the vol buttons while pressing power and then letting go of power when the boot screen logo appears.
[EDIT] Apparently something got hosed with the install of the CWM recovery kernel. Reinstall fixed it.
Any ideas what I'm missing? Would really like to make a backup in addition to Titanium Backup before I start tweaking, etc.
Are the clockwork recovery extra options listed on the list? Should have like advanced and backup/restore etc. if you don't have those options fROM the recovery menu then cwm recovery didn't flash correctly.
Fyi works on mine I have cwm, root and a backup from the recovery menu
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heychillout said:
Are the clockwork recovery extra options listed on the list? Should have like advanced and backup/restore etc. if you don't have those options fROM the recovery menu then cwm recovery didn't flash correctly.
Fyi works on mine I have cwm, root and a backup from the recovery menu
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Yeah I figured it out like 2 minutes before you posted that. And yeah none of those options were there, it was really odd. Simply figured maybe something didn't happen right with the kernel flash. Appreciate the response

[Q] I just rooted my phone. Now what do I do?

I successfully performed Unknownforce's hboot downgrade and rooted using Revolutionary. I want to start trying out ROMs but a friend told me I should back some stuff up first.
My first problem is I wanted to take a screenshot of my apps menu just in case I lost them but I wasn't able to do it like I used to with the POWER + HOME buttons.
My second problem is Titanium Backup. Apparently I have to run this in root, but I thought my phone was rooted already? Do I have to run it in a rooted ROM? If so, what's the best way to backup my current ROM and configuration?
I'm so lost. Can someone post a quick and dirty guide to doing these things? It might be easier if I understand the concept and flow of what I should be doing.
Thanks.
jpquach87 said:
I successfully performed Unknownforce's hboot downgrade and rooted using Revolutionary. I want to start trying out ROMs but a friend told me I should back some stuff up first.
My first problem is I wanted to take a screenshot of my apps menu just in case I lost them but I wasn't able to do it like I used to with the POWER + HOME buttons.
My second problem is Titanium Backup. Apparently I have to run this in root, but I thought my phone was rooted already? Do I have to run it in a rooted ROM? If so, what's the best way to backup my current ROM and configuration?
I'm so lost. Can someone post a quick and dirty guide to doing these things? It might be easier if I understand the concept and flow of what I should be doing.
Thanks.
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If you are rooted, you should have superuser, check your app drawer. Get titanium backup from the market and backup the apps you want or you can just do a full system backup with TWRP (team win recovery). There are many good roms out there. I'm partial to Meanrom. Head over to the EVO 3d developer thread and click on the roll up sticky thread for all the links that can guide you through this.
jhuff83 said:
If you are rooted, you should have superuser, check your app drawer. Get titanium backup from the market and backup the apps you want or you can just do a full system backup with TWRP (team win recovery). There are many good roms out there. I'm partial to Meanrom. Head over to the EVO 3d developer thread and click on the roll up sticky thread for all the links that can guide you through this.
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How do I tell if I'm a superuser? What exactly am I checking for in my app drawer? Sorry for the newbie questions.
jpquach87 said:
How do I tell if I'm a superuser? What exactly am I checking for in my app drawer? Sorry for the newbie questions.
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If you used rev then at the end of the process did you choose install the clockwork mod recovery???
#Root-Hack_Mod*Always\
jpquach87 said:
How do I tell if I'm a superuser? What exactly am I checking for in my app drawer? Sorry for the newbie questions.
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Super user is an app. It gives permission for other apps to have root privileges, such as titanium backup.
If you do not have superuser in your app drawer then most likely your not rooted. Flash this zip from recovery and you'll be rooted.http://db.tt/4MQNcpdb. Revolutionary does not give you root, it just gives you s-off. I am going to assume that you flashed a recovery during the revolutionary process so I will not go into that.
I am not responsible for anything you do to your phone. DISCLAIMER: If you choose to follow these direction and use the zip from above I am not at all responsible for anything that may happen to your phone or sdcard.
1. Go into menu/setting/power and make sure fastboot is unchecked. Fastboot will prevent your phone from booting into bootloader unless you do a battery pull.
2. Power phone off.
3. Boot into bootloader. Do this by holding volume down and power button until phone boots into bootloader. Make sure you hold volume down button first.
4. Once booted into bootloader select bootloader then select recovery. This will reboot phone into recovery. (Navigate bootloader and recovery by using volume buttons and make selection using power button)
5. Once in recovery select "install zip from sdcard"
6. The superuser zip will be in your download folder if you downloaded it directly from phone, select that folder then select the super user zip from the link I provided.
7. Select "yes install zip from sdcard"
8. Once the zip is flashed select "go back" then select "reboot phone".
9. Your phone will boot up like normal. Check in your app drawer for the super user app, if its there your golded. One more note, you can make a backup of your entire setup from recovery. Just select backup/restore and select backup.
ALWAYS MAKE A BACKUP BEFORE FLASHING ANY ROMS OR MODS.
After you have made your backup I would suggest that you update your firmware first then look into flashing what ever rom you choose. Go to this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1443592 and look under other firmware bits and you will see xHausx latest everything. That will give you all the firmware, newest prl, radio, and other updates. It will look like this
Firmware w/o hBoot, System, Boot and Recovery partitions. (Must be S-OFF)
http://dev-host.org/svsae25h2v0n/PG86IMG-2.17.651.5_Firmware_Only.zip
MD5:25442C4C8EDDD628391FA6E3CD9924B0
Once you download it check the md5 and verify that it matches up with the one given under the zip file. IF IT DOES NOT MATCH UP DO NOT FLASH IT, COULD BRICK YOUR PHONE. Redownload it and check it again.If it matches up place it on the root of your sdcard and rename it PG86IMG.zip. make sure it is typed exactly like you see it or the bootloader wont see it. Once that is done boot back into bootloader and you might have to select bootloader. It will find the PG86IMG and ask you if you want to update it. You will have to press volume up to select yes. Once your updated make sure you either rename that zip file or place it into a folder so that the bootloader can't see and prompt to update again. You wont be able to get into recovery from bootloader if it still sees a zip file with the name of PG86IMG.
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Great info, thanks
laie1472 said:
If you used rev then at the end of the process did you choose install the clockwork mod recovery???
#Root-Hack_Mod*Always\
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I did install the clockworkmod.
Just wish I could get temp root without a boot loop, so I could run Titanium backup before I downgrade!
Robert542 said:
If you do not have superuser in your app drawer then most likely your not rooted. Flash this zip from recovery and you'll be rooted.http://db.tt/4MQNcpdb. Revolutionary does not give you root, it just gives you s-off. I am going to assume that you flashed a recovery during the revolutionary process so I will not go into that.
I am not responsible for anything you do to your phone. DISCLAIMER: If you choose to follow these direction and use the zip from above I am not at all responsible for anything that may happen to your phone or sdcard.
1. Go into menu/setting/power and make sure fastboot is unchecked. Fastboot will prevent your phone from booting into bootloader unless you do a battery pull.
2. Power phone off.
3. Boot into bootloader. Do this by holding volume down and power button until phone boots into bootloader. Make sure you hold volume down button first.
4. Once booted into bootloader select bootloader then select recovery. This will reboot phone into recovery. (Navigate bootloader and recovery by using volume buttons and make selection using power button)
5. Once in recovery select "install zip from sdcard"
6. The superuser zip will be in your download folder if you downloaded it directly from phone, select that folder then select the super user zip from the link I provided.
7. Select "yes install zip from sdcard"
8. Once the zip is flashed select "go back" then select "reboot phone".
9. Your phone will boot up like normal. Check in your app drawer for the super user app, if its there your golded. One more note, you can make a backup of your entire setup from recovery. Just select backup/restore and select backup.
ALWAYS MAKE A BACKUP BEFORE FLASHING ANY ROMS OR MODS.
After you have made your backup I would suggest that you update your firmware first then look into flashing what ever rom you choose. Go to this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1443592 and look under other firmware bits and you will see xHausx latest everything. That will give you all the firmware, newest prl, radio, and other updates. It will look like this
Firmware w/o hBoot, System, Boot and Recovery partitions. (Must be S-OFF)
http://dev-host.org/svsae25h2v0n/PG86IMG-2.17.651.5_Firmware_Only.zip
MD5:25442C4C8EDDD628391FA6E3CD9924B0
Once you download it check the md5 and verify that it matches up with the one given under the zip file. IF IT DOES NOT MATCH UP DO NOT FLASH IT, COULD BRICK YOUR PHONE. Redownload it and check it again.If it matches up place it on the root of your sdcard and rename it PG86IMG.zip. make sure it is typed exactly like you see it or the bootloader wont see it. Once that is done boot back into bootloader and you might have to select bootloader. It will find the PG86IMG and ask you if you want to update it. You will have to press volume up to select yes. Once your updated make sure you either rename that zip file or place it into a folder so that the bootloader can't see and prompt to update again. You wont be able to get into recovery from bootloader if it still sees a zip file with the name of PG86IMG.
This will be flashed from bootloader.
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Thanks for all your help. I successfully performed all the steps you mentioned but when I boot up and check the 'Software number' it still says I am on 1.13.651.7. Is that how it's supposed to be?
Also, can anyone help me with the screenshot function? It seems I've lost the ability to take screenshots all of a sudden.
Yes you are still on the old software because of the hboot rollback. That is why it shows an older software number and also why you have lost the screenshot function. You only updated the radio and firmware at this point. You should now be able to use titanium backup to backup all you apps. If you want to save the positing of the app on your home screens use the desktop backup feature also in titanium.
Once that's done your ready to flash a rom. I suggest cleanrom to start out. Go here to find it http://www.scottsroms.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=98 this will be flashed from recovery. Once your apps are backed up make sure you sync your contacts with your Google account because flashing a rom the right way WILL erase all user data. It will not effect firmware or radio though.
1. Reboot into recovery
2. Wipe data/factory reset
3. Wipe cache
4. Go into advanced menu and wipe dalvich cache.
5. Install zip from sdcard. Should also be in your download folder if you downloaded it directly from phone. Choose the cleanrom zip or what ever one you chose and your good to go.
I don't remember if clean rom has titanium backup included in the rom or not. If not once your Google account is set back up just download it again and restore all the apps that you backed up.
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Boot into recovery and do a nand back up incase something go's wrong when that's done by now you should have titanium back up installed and back up any apps that you want to keep and then find a ROM that may like and flash it but for you flash the ROM read the post first to find out what's working and what's Knott working and base your desission off that and if you fell thats the right ROM for you try it out and before you flash any Rom's download a super wipe tool I highly recommend it and wipe every thing as normal factory reset wipe dalvic cache scroll down to advance click on it and scroll down to dalvic wipe battery star's wipe and then go back to your download folder and you will install the super wipe tool when thats done your ready to flash your new ROM go back to the download folder and flash the ROM don't install any them's until you've had a full boot and that way you will know what's working and what isn't working. Good luck
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[Help] Nandroid backup

Hi! I accidentally replaced nandroid with TeamWin Recovery Project. The problem is that TWRP wont let me flash anything as it always gives an error saying no md5 file found or something on the lines of that. So I was just wondering if theres any way I can go back to nandroid or reinstall it.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks!
Do you have CWM recovery installed? If so, boot into CWM and choose restore from backup...
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Apex_Strider said:
Do you have CWM recovery installed? If so, boot into CWM and choose restore from backup...
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I can't use CWM anymore because i accidentally installed TWRP. When I boot into recovery it goes to TWRP and not CWM.
darkfx23 said:
I can't use CWM anymore because i accidentally installed TWRP. When I boot into recovery it goes to TWRP and not CWM.
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Go to the Play Store, download Rom Manager. Open it up, it will prompt you through reflashing CWM Recovery again. It will basically do it for you.
Install the rom manager, reboot the phone in recovery mod and select backup and restore, go vth advance restore, and more over don't rename or move the folder to different directory , make sure u keep the backup in ur PC ...
gbkanju said:
Install the rom manager, reboot the phone in recovery mod and select backup and restore, go vth advance restore, and more over don't rename or move the folder to different directory , make sure u keep the backup in ur PC ...
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He can't do that till he installs CWM. Which is what he must do if he wants to use a Nandroid Backup he did in CWM Recovery. He currently has TWRP Recovery installed. The Backups made on one Recovery, or the other are not interchangable. So if you made a Nand while having CWM Recovery installed, it will not work with TWRP Recovery. Or vise versa.
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