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Hi All,
Per the discussion of this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1367120&highlight=usb+amazon+charger&page=3
I bought this Car USB Outlet Charger: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002F0200Q/ref=oh_o02_s00_i00_details
It charges under AC mode, but if I also connect the 3.5mm jack to my cars speakers there is a high pitched noise that increases as the RPM of my engine increases (for example if I put my car in neutral the sound is at the lowest frequency, and if i step on it the sound shoots up).
If I remove the charger from the phone the noise stops. If I begin playing music the noise also goes away. If I stop any playing music then the high pitch noise will return after a brief (~5sec) period.
It's not a terrible issue because it doesn't interfere with playing audio, but it is an issue if nothing is playing and the car speaker is turned on.
Would appreciate any insight.
Thanks,
DL
I have the same issue. It's not the phone, it's your car. You are hearing the alternator noise through the electrical. I have some friends who are car audio installers and what you have is a most likely a bad ground on the auxiliary port. I've tried with 3 or 4 phones with my car and they all do it while charging.
From what I understand there's 2 ways to fix it. Have an audio Installer open it up and ground it properly. This takes time and could be complicated depending where the fault is.
There's also a magnetic shielding thing tthat you can pass your auxiliary cable through which is supposed to be like $5. I've not tried the simple fix yet. I keep forgetting to ask what iit is exactly.
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Well I was thinking it was an issue with the actual charger, not my car...
I've used a blackberry, and itouch before while charging and going to the car audio without the problem (but this was not with the Belkin adapter I linked to).
Just to be clear when you say an issue with grounding of the auxillary port you are referring to the the 3.5mm input, not the cigarette lighter port?
Let me try switching the cigarette port.
Yeah, the 3.5mm port. I've also tried changing chargers and nothing has made a difference.
so what you are saying is the issue is with my 3.5mm jack even though the noise doesnt come through if the charger is disconnected?
I've never had any problems with other devices when charging and playing audio.
Only with this particular usb charger and my rezound.
happens to me sometimes too...I just act like I'm in some kind of spaceship as I zoom down the highway
I'm thinking to buy something like this to power my devices, probably a good investment...
goo DOT gl/s0wO7 (can't post links yet, redirect to amazon for a powerline 200W power inverter)
Had the problem with a Verizon charger, took it back and the new one worked fine.
You could try some snap chokes (ferrite cores) they snap around the outside of the cables you may have seen them on some of your usb cables, they reduce interference
radio shack search "snap choke" they have two sizes that fit around the outside of the cable, 5mm and 3.5mm ... they come two to a package, try using them on the power wire and if that doesn't work try it on your aux output wire, they just snap on. you can snap them off if you want to remove them, you can use more than one on a cable if that helps
This is not a fix all and may or may not work but this is what they are designed for, it at least may cut down the noise some but no guarantee's
Once you search on radio shack, read the reviews on them you will see what some people are using them for, they are about $3.00 for 2 chokes
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You could try some snap chokes (ferrite cores) they snap around the outside of the cables you may have seen them on some of your usb cables, they reduce interference
radio shack search "snap choke" they have two sizes that fit around the outside of the cable, 5mm and 3.5mm ... they come two to a package, try using them on the power wire and if that doesn't work try it on your aux output wire, they just snap on. you can snap them off if you want to remove them, you can use more than one on a cable if that helps
This is not a fix all and may or may not work but this is what they are designed for, it at least may cut down the noise some but no guarantee's
Once you search on radio shack, read the reviews on them you will see what some people are using them for, they are about $3.00 for 2 chokes
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Thank you for the suggestion. I will certainly take this idea into consideration.
I do think the piece is defective, but the amazon seller only offers a return, and it was only 5$, not sure if its worth the hassle.
The charging circuit on your alternator has a bad filter. The whine you're hearing is the AC generated...the frequency corresponds with your RPM. Basically, the rectifier diodes are doing what they are supposed to and putting that AC into the electrical system as pulsed DC, but there are capacitors and chokes that are supposed to smooth the current out so it doesn't stress out your equipment. It's possible the charger you got doesn't have a filter either. Ensuring your equipment has a good ground should help, but it may not fix the sound...you'd have to replace your alternator.
Its ground feedback. Could be anywhere in your car. Could also be the charger but probably not.
I have a similar effect, but fortunately it does go away once I start playing music. I only hear the noise when nothing is playing. I don't engine noise, just static. I know its related to the changing connect since it goes away when I unplug it.
I was thinking about seeing if there is something to impede interference that I can put inline with the cable or on it.
My aux audio was an PAC Audio connection that I installed, and the dock/charger I have is kind of cheap-o, so I figure its just the price of being frugal.
yes thanks all for the advice and feedback.
@ssb13 yes the sound interestingly stops right before any music plays, and then has a short delay before coming back after the music finishes.
I suspect a ground loop isolator would solve your problems.
Here's one from Kensington on Amazon:
http://tinyurl.com/6m58v6s
But there are several other makes that probably would work equally well. Just do a search on Amazon for a ground loop isolator.
Check out the comments on the Kensington one and see if the problems sound familiar.
I have the exact same problem! It happens with both the AC cigarette charger and the usb cable I have connected through my headunit. I have a cheap radioshack stereo cable as the connection between my rezound and the headunit, but when I've used headphones I don't seem to notice it either because the music is too loud to notice it or there isn't any interference. So I'm assuming the interference is caused by a feedback loop since power comes in from the charger and then audio goes out through the headphone jack and back into the car.
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I purchased and installed an EMI/RFI suppressor from Mouser. It is a 2-piece ferrite cylinder that fits around the USB cable coming from the car charger/power supply. Unfortunately, it made absolutely NO DIFFERENCE in the noise. It is the same type of suppressor that is sometimes installed by the manufacturer on power supply output cables, so I was hopeful that it would work. Guess I will try looking for a loose ground connection.
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A ferrite ("snap choke," "RFI suppressor") won't do a thing at audio frequencies. You're hearing whine from the alternator. It's worse because you have a ground loop - the phone is grounded by both the charger and the audio jacks. It's probably worse when no music is playing because the phone then turns off the output amplifier, making the output a high impedance and letting the noise be heard due to the ground loop. A ground isolator in the audio line will probably help, but may not completely eliminate, the noise. Why not get a Bluetooth audio adapter for your car?
Ground loops suck, at home they can be fixed by breaking off the grounding pin on a power strip and using that. But you can't do that in your car.
Hello everybody i recently got the sprint car dock and i was wondering if anyone else has seen this same kind of behavior as I have been seeing. Basically music played using the 3.35mm jack to an aux port on the car stereo just doesn't sound right. It seems like all the sound is going to my rear speakers while i play music from RDIO and my streamed music from Google play. It seems like the audio sounds much better while the phone is not docked. Has anyone else run into this issue? I remember that original Evo's dock did something where it automatically lowered the volume of the music being sent through the 3.35 jack.
When I had the photon and the dock, I had the same issue. Do you have a case on your phone?
If you do try to push down a bit harder with music playing, I bet you your other speakers will start working again.
The USB audio is picky on just how "properly" seated it is. I also noticed (again the photon) the audio is a bit quieter. Eventually I ended up using the mini jack connector and the usb for charging.
So after re-reading your post, I realized you are not talking about USB but the mini jack. What i have noticed however, I was using the 3.55mm today and the radio had to be turned up a bit more to get the normal listening levels I am currently used to (used to be 22-24, now its 30-35 for volume level on my radio) The sound did sound a bit.... off... but could not quite place it. I noticed the beats audio icon on the top when I had the music playing. It does not appear to be customizable except for an on and off?
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As soon as I inserted my phone into the car dock with my 3.5 audio jack in it started making a buzzing sound. I double checked that the phone was seated properly and that the audio jacks were all the way secure. The sound disappeared as soon as I removed it from the dock. It is not very noticible if music is playing but if is not it is terrible. Am I the only one?
This is likely a ground loop issue. I'm seeing it with my dock too. But i also see the exact same issue while charging WITHOUT the dock and always have with every phone in my truck. Unplug the charger, issue goes away.
Eventually I'm going to re-ground my cigarette outlet to a cleaner ground in my truck and see if that solves the issue.
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This is likely a ground loop issue. I'm seeing it with my dock too. But i also see the exact same issue while charging WITHOUT the dock and always have with every phone in my truck. Unplug the charger, issue goes away.
Eventually I'm going to re-ground my cigarette outlet to a cleaner ground in my truck and see if that solves the issue.
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Id have to agree. I dont have the sound issue in my truck atm, using an aftermarket Pyle 7in dvd. But Ive had that same issue in other vehicles/devices (not with my LTE). Does the sound increase with the RPM at any range? If so they make a filter (I think its just a magnet idk) that can clear up that sound.
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This is likely a ground loop issue. I'm seeing it with my dock too. But i also see the exact same issue while charging WITHOUT the dock and always have with every phone in my truck. Unplug the charger, issue goes away.
Eventually I'm going to re-ground my cigarette outlet to a cleaner ground in my truck and see if that solves the issue.
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I do not have the issue at all when I disconnect from the dock. In fact, its minimal once I start to play something like Pandora. But as soon as I don't have something playing the buzzing kicks in and its annoying as hell. I have two 12v ports in my car and several different chargers and it does them for all of them. I think it may be something HTC knows about but hasn't confirmed yet...
modplan said:
This is likely a ground loop issue. I'm seeing it with my dock too. But i also see the exact same issue while charging WITHOUT the dock and always have with every phone in my truck. Unplug the charger, issue goes away.
Eventually I'm going to re-ground my cigarette outlet to a cleaner ground in my truck and see if that solves the issue.
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This is pretty much spot on. I had to re ground one if my cigarette lighters that did this with my zune.
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donatom3 said:
This is pretty much spot on. I had to re ground one if my cigarette lighters that did this with my zune.
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I'm not saying that it wasn't the case for you, because it certainly is possible. However, correct me if I am wrong, you had the problem regardless of if the phone was in the car dock correct?
I ONLY have the problem when it is in the car dock. That makes me think it's not the 12v plug.
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I do not have the issue at all when I disconnect from the dock. In fact, its minimal once I start to play something like Pandora. But as soon as I don't have something playing the buzzing kicks in and its annoying as hell. I have two 12v ports in my car and several different chargers and it does them for all of them. I think it may be something HTC knows about but hasn't confirmed yet...
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Can you try something? Take the same charger and try it with the phone in another car. One thats less then 10 years old if possible. (Not that its some magic age of the car, just better/properly grounded radios are more common, imo) Report back and let us know if the sound persists in that vehicle? Thanks
*Not saying yours, or anyone with the problems vehicle is 10+ years old - just wondering if it persists elsewhere.
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I'm not saying that it wasn't the case for you, because it certainly is possible. However, correct me if I am wrong, you had the problem regardless of if the phone was in the car dock correct?
I ONLY have the problem when it is in the car dock. That makes me think it's not the 12v plug.
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I've had it on multiple devices that had their power adapter plugged into the car. There is also a chance it's your power adapter.
This is not an uncommon problem in car audio, it's so common that many manufacturers make devices to try to reduce the noise. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062214
Try adding a ground loop isolator into the audio cable. They can't be bought just about anywhere (Amazon, Radio Shack, etc.) for about $15 and should eliminate and ground loop noise. Ground loop noise is why it is so hard to find a car dock that includes audio out. Companies understand consumers want a car dock with 3.5mm audio out but wouldn't be able to design a dock that would eliminate noise in every case.
Filtering the audio line with a ground loop isolator is not a solution for me. They often dramatically reduce high tones and degrade audio quality overall. A real solution is to solve the issue on the electrical side, not the audio side.
OK, I think I understand what you are saying now. I get the normal ground loop whine that I have always gotten in my truck, that changes pitch with RPMs. Known issue with all phones in my truck, whatever.
But today I also noticed a Static (1 second) Static (1 second) Static (1 second) Static (1 second) that was only noticable when my phone was in the dock, plugged in, no music playing (in between songs) AND the beats audio logo was visible (beats was off, I do not use it). Beats logo goes away (when there is more than a second or two of silence) and the static stops. I'm not sure if the static is stopping then because the beats signal processor is turning off, or because the phone is turning off power to the headphone jack. If it is the beats processor turning off, I could try to make a mod to always keep it off (I don't use it anyway).
Is anyone seeing this static (static, not whine) while plugged in but NOT in the dock?
Is this what the OP is seeing? How about the rest of you?
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OK, I think I understand what you are saying now. I get the normal ground loop whine that I have always gotten in my truck, that changes pitch with RPMs. Known issue with all phones in my truck, whatever.
But today I also noticed a Static (1 second) Static (1 second) Static (1 second) Static (1 second) that was only noticable when my phone was in the dock, plugged in, no music playing (in between songs) AND the beats audio logo was visible (beats was off, I do not use it). Beats logo goes away (when there is more than a second or two of silence) and the static stops. I'm not sure if the static is stopping then because the beats signal processor is turning off, or because the phone is turning off power to the headphone jack. If it is the beats processor turning off, I could try to make a mod to always keep it off (I don't use it anyway).
Is anyone seeing this static (static, not whine) while plugged in but NOT in the dock?
Is this what the OP is seeing? How about the rest of you?
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I am not the OP but I am getting the exact same results that you are. It sounds perfect when not in the dock. When in the dock it makes a terrible buzzing noise until I start to play something. I have tried multiple chargers including OEM HTC ones in multiple vehicles and the problem still persists. How can ground loop be non existent when I'm charging my phone with just the cable (outside of the dock)? It has to be something else. I ordered the HTC Stereoclip yesterday and should have it be the end of this week to test wireless play.
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Try adding a ground loop isolator into the audio cable.
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I already had one installed for my Epic, and still get the noise on my EVO....
Just out of interest, is the 3.5mm jack going into the Phone, or is it tied into the charger cable. I currently have a MOTO Atrix and the Car Dock USB Cable splits off with an Aux Jack connection. That way you don't need to keep plugging the Aux Cable into the phone everytime you dock. I've never had any interference with this approach.
I'm getting the EVOLTE as soon as possible, so I'm interested in this answer. Plus, how it's being connected may be part of the problem?
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Just out of interest, is the 3.5mm jack going into the Phone, or is it tied into the charger cable. I currently have a MOTO Atrix and the Car Dock USB Cable splits off with an Aux Jack connection. That way you don't need to keep plugging the Aux Cable into the phone everytime you dock. I've never had any interference with this approach.
I'm getting the EVOLTE as soon as possible, so I'm interested in this answer. Plus, how it's being connected may be part of the problem?
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There is no audio jack coming out of the dock. You still have to use the one on the phone itself.
So I took apart the dock and there is one small chip inside. Seems like a lot for what should just be usb passthrough. I tried removing the blue led hoping that that was the cause of the interference but it did not help.
There are lots of resistors and capacitors on this board. Does anyone know of we remove them all it will be straight usb passthrough? I get MUCH less interference in my truck with just charging and NOT the dock using the same cable. I good way to test this is to turn the Media volume all the way down on your phone and up high in ur vehicle and you will get tons of static and popping.
Any electrical engineers in the crowd? I if not I guess I have to buy a stereo clip :-(
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Those electronics are probably what activate Car Mode.
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Those electronics are probably what activate Car Mode.
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Activating car mode is done my simply shorting pins 4 and 5 on the USB connector, no electronics required and is why the dock will still put your phone into car mode when not even plugged in.
I've got an aux input in my car, and today when I tried plugging in my GSIII, I got met with a faint but annoying whistling sound underneath my music.
It stops if there's no sound being sent over the wire, but the moment a notification (or music) starts playing, it comes up.
Car worked fine with my DX, and still works fine with my friends' iPhones, but I get the stupid sound with my brand new galaxy siii. Oddly enough, it works fine with headphones.
any ideas guys? I'm kinda stumped.
Search ground loop isolation. You are getting dirty power to your phone.
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Do you have the phone charging through the cigarette lighter? You can get ground noise from there, and it will be transmitted through the phone to your stereo.
Hm. Let me try again without it charging, but that's strange. Why did my old DX not experience this?
Assuming that's the issue - will a different cable solve the problem?
edit: So I checked the phone without plugging it into the charger. Still get a whistling noise. It's really more like a high pitched hum. I notice that if I don't plug the plug in all the way it doesn't happen (but I think I only get one channel).
I'm getting the same thing, and it's driving me crazy. At first I thought my brakes were going bad in my car!
I've tried different audio players and apps, but it still always get the noise. The phone is not charging, and I did not get this with my old captivate either.
Any ideas?
Doesnt happen in my Porsche. I'm using Bluetooth audio though.
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Thats strange. I will get that when charging, but only while nothing is playing.
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I am having the same issue. First time experiencing it though; never heard it with the iPhone, HOX, or NS
I'm using a line in cable, and when i jiggle it, i can hear the noise change tone at the same time. I have a feeling it might be because it's a regular stereo cable and the microphone combo jack on the phone is not working right with it. But that's just a guess.
It's pretty annoying and its making the phone unusable as a music player.
Happens in my Lamborghini (Dodge Caravan) when using a MP3 player. Usually, if I run my hand down the cable it clears as though it's some kind of static build up in the cable.
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try flipping the cable (putting the aux in side into the phone and the phone side in the aux in) it happens to me sometimes and if I flip the cable it clears it out I couldn't tell you why though. also make sure there isn't any dust in the ports or on the cable ends.
That noise you hear is most likely due to the electrical system in the car. I rent cars all the time for work and never know the shape the electrical sys is in so to resolve the issue I bought a Kensington Cable from amazon and now have CD quality sound from any music app including pandora & spotify.
Hope this helps.:cyclops:
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try flipping the cable (putting the aux in side into the phone and the phone side in the aux in) it happens to me sometimes and if I flip the cable it clears it out I couldn't tell you why though. also make sure there isn't any dust in the ports or on the cable ends.
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Unfortunately, my cable is RCA on one side (L+R channels split) and regular 3.5mm on other.
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That noise you hear is most likely due to the electrical system in the car. I rent cars all the time for work and never know the shape the electrical sys is in so to resolve the issue I bought a Kensington Cable from amazon and now have CD quality sound from any music app including pandora & spotify.
Hope this helps.:cyclops:
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Not sure what you mean by "the electrical system" and the "shape" of it. Could you clarify? As I said, I have no problems with other devices in this car.
I would usually suspect something wrong with the car, or maybe a ground loop, but I can plug in my Galaxy S (Captivate) or iPod with the same cable, same everything, just switching out the phone, and the noise goes away.
The way the noise cuts in and out between songs, and when I close the music app, it seems to only happen when the audio chip is getting a signal or is being energized. This is making me think that it may just be a noisy chip :crying:
I was on conf call with SGS3 plugged to AUX, no power charging was going on. And either noise canceling didn't work, or noise was getting in thru AUX line to receiving end. I didn't have problems listening, but ppl on the other end complained, and I had to mute the mic.
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doesnt happen in my porsche. I'm using bluetooth audio though.
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sorry! Could you speak up please? I couldn"t hear you over the sound of your e-penis
I am having the same problem. My HTC Thunderbolt never had this problem. Same car and cables, I get the hissing and popping until I play something. Then it goes away until I stop the music and then it comes back again. Weird and disappointing.
The problem comes from the 4-pin (TRRS) audio jack in the GSIII combined with presumably bad grounding in my 2007 Honda Accord, or the Aux adapter.
I fixed it with a simple DIY solution. I cannibalized a TRRS headphone jack and bought a TRS (3-pin) port from radioshack. I clipped off the jack with a generous portion of wire, then stripped them and cleaned them from their insulation (they are covered in insulating dye).
I connected 3 of the wires to the TRS connector, and taped the whole thing up. No more hum.
Also known as Road Noise. Where the power cable and audio input are too close to each other. Electrical current emits a small magnetic field which will hinder audio quality and promote road noise from the alternator.
This is a very typical senario in car audio install, when you run the power cable and rca right next to each other.
this buzzing noise happens to me every time i drive my car for the past 3 years:
solution: turn down the car volume. if you keep your car volume half-way, then you wont hear it as much, or you wont hear it at all.... you can make the phone volume as loud as you want though. also, as you accelerate faster, the noise gets louder. watch, try it.
Wondering if I am the only one who gets an audible buzz when I am in my car using the 3.5mm jack to feed audio to the car stereo, and am charging at the same time. The instant I unplug the charger, no more buzz. Seems that maybe HTC didn't properly isolate the circuits or something.
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Wondering if I am the only one who gets an audible buzz when I am in my car using the 3.5mm jack to feed audio to the car stereo, and am charging at the same time. The instant I unplug the charger, no more buzz. Seems that maybe HTC didn't properly isolate the circuits or something.
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Try a different charger. I had that same problem with bad charger.
Sounds like a ground loop. That happens when multiple devices are connected to the same power source and by other means. (Audio cable)
The easiest way to fix it is to unplug the charger. But if you must, try a different plug since usually car outlets are individually fused.
To who ever can help...I'm experiencing an ongoing problem with headphones on my m8. Trying to listen to music is either one sided (left bud) or none at all. If I plug into my stereo, the Jack works and music is played normal. Coming from headphones to stereo, it goes one sided (even playing through the stereo).
I've changed ROMs with full wipe & clean install, the problem still occurs. Various headphones all do the same. I'm almost positive it's a software glitch somewhere but can't find a setting for it. I've tried freezing music apps with TB, I've also installed HK to see if that would tweak something. No clue what else to do.
To clarify, are you saying that using a line cable to connect the phone to your stereo receiver/amp plays both sides. But all headphones, it only plays on one side?
Correct...I CAN play music via aux cord but CAN"T play through headphones of any kind (I've tried three different ones).
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Different headphones use different rubber moldings around the wires, especially near the plug. Some can be thicker and some have little plastic protrusions which prevent the cable from being fully plugged in. If the cable isn't fully inserted, you will sometimes receive no audio in the right ear or no audio at all. I have this problem with a pair of Sony earbuds on my S4 and my M8, and as a result, they're dedicated strictly to my laptop.
Try this...get a male to female aux cord and plug one end to the phone, then plug your headphones into that.
Also, you can try pulling back the plastic sheath around the plug and see if that helps.
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Try this...get a male to female aux cord and plug one end to the phone, then plug your headphones into that.
Also, you can try pulling back the plastic sheath around the plug and see if that helps.
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I'll definitely try this out and see what happens. Its just weird because when I first got the phone the headphones worked (any and all). It wasn't untill I rooted that I started noticing an issue.
Or just cut a bit of the rubber off the edge of the headphones. With the case on my phone I had to do that for the aux jack in my car so that it would go all the way in. Of course only if they are your headphones and don't mind to do that.
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How about the headset that came with the phone? This shouldn't need any jiggering to make it plug in properly.
I would also agree with the notion that if you have a case on the phone, it may interfere with the headphone plugging in. Definitely try taking the case off (if you have one on) to see if it makes any difference.
Have you tried any headphones that don't have the microphone ("normal" headsets that aren't specially intended to use with smartphones)? Its just odd that a AUX cable works, and headphones don't. The only thing I can think that can be different is the hardware and software differences that are associated with the microphone (buttons, etc.).
Are there specific lines of code I can look at in the build .prop? I've gotten half the battle covered by Uninstalling HK and fixing permissions /wiping dalvik. Again music plays perfectly through stereo, whether aux, wifi or bt. One sided when headphones are used. There has to be some funky code going on.
I know this is old but did you ever find out?