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I've been in several discussions with users that have come from (or previously owned) the 5 inch HTC Advantage. I see Dell Streak users have a thread to compare/contrast to the Note, so I thought I would do the same for the Advantage. This may help some to decide to move from the Advantage to the Note - or not.
For those that don't know what the Advantage is, it came out 5 years ago - the first phone with a 5" screen. It also included a detachable keyboard, stereo speakers, video port, stylus/pen, and a 8 GB hard drive when most SD cards at the time were below 2 GB. It had its problems, too. Since it was so far ahead of its time it was fairly bulky and heavy even with the keyboard removed. It didn't have a private speaker for phone calls. It had room for a vibration motor internally but it was never implemented even in later models, presumably because it caused problems with the hard drive. The other references in the thread title are the development name, and model names/numbers used by various carriers. Here is the XDA forum for the Advantage: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=351
My personal reaction, as I've told several already, is the Note is by far a better phone. Physical stats, operating system, having things like a private speaker and vibration which the Advantage should have had, all add up. Not to mention that the Note costs 1/3 of what the Advantage did so you have far less to loose. The Note/Android has its deficiencies. I've had to install a half-dozen apps to add features which were built into Windows Mobile - things like incremental ring volume, ability to get more than a single system notification for things like texts and calendar appointments (miss the first one and you've missed your appointment!), or keeping the screen from timing out when it is plugged in or for specific apps. But at least you can extend/improve the OS with apps without unlocking/rooting or flashing to a whole new OS. Which many Advantage owners did including me.
All that said, the Advantage held a special place in my heart. In the 4 1/2 years I used mine, I often told my wife it was the best gadget I had ever owned and I meant it. Which is saying a lot with all the gadgets and computers I've owned since 1984. But the Note is so good that if IT had come out 5 years ago, I'm sure I would be saying the same thing about it right now. Buy one.
I have a x7501 for a few years, but haven't been actively using it in the last few years also (went to iPhone, Android etc). I am interested in the Note, but haven't decided to get one yet.
But I think one fundamental difference is that the Athena is a keyboarded device (you can use it without, but you also loose the stand at the same time). Its stereo speakers and other positioning makes it a mainly landscape orientation device.
I really don't care about its thickness, it's not that bad. It is a bit thick w/ its leather case, but it does that to any other devices anyway.
What I don't like about the Athena: battery life, speed (I'm shocked reviews that said it's fast), photo taken with camera (rear) has off (red) colour (no ROM can fix that). Especially the last piece, it's unforgivable for a $1,500. USD product! The 8GB HDD is both slow, and battery eating, and cannot be turned off.
I just can't say I like it as much as some of you do. I don't hate it, but I don't think it was worth the $1,000. I paid for. If I had paid $1,500. then, I'd have sued them (just kidding).
I lugged the keyboard around for 1 1/2 years, but finally left it on my work desk permanently. Only used it there when I was streaming XM.
I never had a problem with battery life, it would last me much longer than the 12 hours I would go between unplugging in the morning and plugging it back in when I got home. Never had a problem with the camera, either. Good colors all around, not that the quality was that great.
I think you'll like the Note, all the advantages (pun intended) of the 7501 and none of its problems. After you add some apps to tweak the downfalls of the OS.
i'm one, see my siggie
i've had still have that gigantic heavy monstrous HTC 5" for the longest time
still trying to get Android installed on it someday
I had the x7501, then the x7510, and the note is 1/2 as thick, has a "phone" speaker, and besides all of the obvious spec advantages, is lighter and easier to hold. The screen is far more responsive than the old tft pressure technology without the inaccuracy of the iphone/android capacitive blunt-object to write/draw with issue.
all thumbs up for the note... though the Advantage was WAY ahead of its time.
I don't understand these threads. I get that the advantage was way ahead of its time, but it's 5 years old. 5! Would anyone seriously pick the advantage over the note?
I sold my x7501 long ago. Good times, lol.
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I don't understand these threads. I get that the advantage was way ahead of its time, but it's 5 years old. 5! Would anyone seriously pick the advantage over the note?
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I guess sometimes people can't let their old devices go.
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This isn't about keeping the Advantage. Its about comparing one to the other for those that are familiar with the Advantage and loved all of its features.
I think it is not about keeping the Advantage / Athena, may be it's partly nostalgia, partly comparing what's missing on current devices (bad things are not missed, I'm talking about things that users might like or prefer):
1. Stereo speakers. How hard can that be? But so far, iPhone doesn't have it, none of my Android phones up to 4.65" have it, my Tablet P by Sony has a tiny mono speaker. Only the Playbook (once had, now sold), and the Samsung Q1 have stereo speakers and good sound.
2. The metal case has pros and cons. It can get dented and discolouring when bumped / scratched, but it made it more sturdy as it is metal. But at least it is unique, and also makes it feel more premium (until it gets dented, like mine, from dropping, that is). Now everything besides iPhones are just plastics.
3. Magnetic keyboard. Now, no more, never seen and all give way to on screen ones, except a few. But those few, including Blackberry, do not want to do a magnetic keyboard, may be it's the cost, or fear of bad contacts. But again, this is very unique and hasn't been replicated. The see thru window to mimic the status bar on it makes it even cooler.
4. External connections for: USB host (only very lately, there are USB OTG for Android devices, before this, support was very poor, mostly only HID stuff), VGA out, cellular antenna, GPS antenna. Granted, the last 3 are not as needed today, and some Android devices have HDMI outputs that replace VGA more or less.
right now, few Android phones can stand on a desk unless with a kick stand case (which is usually the kind I buy, as I want it stand similar to what Advantage can do w/ the keyboard).
I think some clamshell MIDs like UMID / Viliv had come close to the design of Advantage but physically not as cool, no magnetic keyboard etc.
I guess the problem with modern design is that nobody would make a $1,500. device unless it is for industrial or military use, so they have to save cost and won't engage in fancy design and materials. In the case for Advantage, it's HTC flagship product, so they went all out.
Looking at current HTC products now, there aren't anything really special (I'm talking strictly from the physical point of view, since operating systems are all the same across the manufacturers anyway).
People are often amazed when I tell them that the Note is my third 5" phone. I loved the Advantage and the Dell Streak I had before the Note. No way I can go to a smaller screen. Very happy that the rest of the world is catching on to the benefits of a large screen device. And there are things I miss from Windows Mobile. I found it easier to flash ROMs and change the look and feel of the device.
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perhaps i am being a little too demanding, but i wanna know what phone most closely resembles my "TrIXteR" as far as button/jacks go....the Atrix is my first smartphone and still works "perfectly"....but i do realize it won't last forever.....i also understand the quad-core device choices are limited, and more will come....i just want a phone has tactile features that are similar'...i am using go launcher & widget locker, so the screen layout means nothing to me, i was and will be rooted again but do not use any roms...point is any stock android will suffice as far as UI...i just know what is inevitable ...my phone will be replacedd, and wanna plan ahead...that said, screen/demention/hardware don't matter as muc as where the volume, charger, headphone, and power button are located.
Personally I'm really disliking this pattern of newer phones getting bigger & bigger.. The new GS4 has a 5" screen??!?!?!?!?!
I've grown accustomed to Atrix's 4" screen but am willing to go up to 4.5-4.7" for the replacement. Keeping other features in mind too, I'm kinda liking the HTC One X+ or the full blown HTC One. Smaller still is the slightly older HTC One V & it still has nice features
i agree...size does matter....especially when an otterbox defender is on it...
It's a tough call. I personally pay close attention to accessories, which the Atrix 4G has many.
Not having to fiddle with cords is why I liked the Atrix 4G standard dock. Wireless charging will likely be a favorite accessory as that's what most of us use the most.
In-car use is a winner also using the car dock. For new phones, having an easy to use dock will help, or perhaps a wireless charging surface, which will stop the phone from sliding around, therefore doubling as a suitable dock surface.
I would only buy a phone with a maximum screen size of 5" for one handed use. It's amazing that a human thumb can stretch that far as it is.
Outer casing is critical in my mind. This is where the Atrix 4G fell short with it smooth plastic sides. As soon as your hands are dry, holding a smooth plastic phone in your hands is the same as clutching a melting ice cube. Therfore a phone with some amount of texture wins in my mind. In addition, the material that the outer rim to the screen is made from will determine if a shock is transmitted directly to the point of impact or transmitted evenly to the device.
I'm --> <-- this close to choosing my next phone, but knowing that the Snapdragon 800 is coming to market makes it hard to settle on something today.
I replaced mine with a galaxy note i717. Big phone. I like it. I think the galaxy s2 is basically the same phone but smaller. I replaced my wife's matrix with a pantech burst. You can get one on eBay for less than $100 USA. It has official ICS and there is development going on for cm10. note is on cm10.1. Burst screen seams better than atrix to me. Burst battery not as good and charge port is oddly placed in middle of right side
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maybe u can try, nexus 4 or LG L7 that are good phones and have almost the same ergonmics
So I am looking to replace my Ipad. I have been looking at the new Toshiba excite pro with the Tegra 4 CPU.
But I have come back to this Sony Tablet a few times. How do you guys like it? Does it feel snappy? Good quality?
Any negatives? Since it is water resistent, does it make it harder to use the headphone jack, charger jack, etc?
Has it been out long enough that it is considered old technology now? Should I wait?
Mine is not the international version, but the Japanese SO-03E model. Its innards are definitely a little outdated because of the Snapdragon S4 Pro APQ8064 instead of the Snapdragon 600 APQ8064T, but it'll hold its own against almost all current generation devices (in fact it's the fastest standalone tablet I can think of until the Tegra 4 devices hit, since I don't know of any Snapdragon 600 tablets).
It's fast and smooth, but there are occasional hiccups on Sony's launcher and Socialife is noticeably blippy. These are both problems that can be easily circumvented with third party apps. I haven't yet to find quality concerns with my Japanese model, but out here on xda there have been various complaints that include bad waterproofing flaps. It definitely makes you not want to use the flaps often, since although they seem quality enough they don't entirely seem strictly durable.
It's not really old tech yet, but if you want the absolutely fastest chipsets, you have to look elsewhere. The tablet's sheer thinness comes at the expense of battery capacity and while I find the XPERIA Tablet Z has impressive battery efficiency, it has only middling run time due to the low capacity of the battery (6,000mAh) - about 6 or 7h or heavy use on middling brightness.
Hi,
It is my first tablet so my opinion is not biased by other devices. I find XTZ pretty awesome but not perfect.
First of all - the design is amazing. Slim, light and simply beautiful. But unfortunately I find it quite fragile because of that. Sometimes when holding by the edge it triggers touch screen starting stuff like settings or switching screens. It doesn't happen often but still...
Screen is awesome, bright natural colors. It is state of art and maybe not the highest resolution on the market but really more than enough. Only minus is that it is fingerprint magnet. I had few phones before and nothing attract fingerprints more than XTZ or XZ.
Bravia Engine is doing a great job and I just love to watch movies on XTZ especially that is so light that you can do it on the plane or in the bus and don't have to worry that your hand will hurt from holding it.
Overaly it is smooth device but lags sometimes during web browsing(on 30Mbits connection) which is a bit odd.
Using flaps is not problematic but can be sometimes difficult(if you are using Krusell case for it or your hands are big as loaf of bread)
If it comes to technology I've got simple answer for you. Whatever you buy it is already old If you understand that, you will not be dissapointed that your tablet is not the fastest and there is one that scores more on some benchmark
If it comes to battery life I find it very good(based on the small capacity) It last 8 hours on screen time if you browse some web and watch some movies. Probably could last longer if you just play movies as it is using more batt when surfing.
As a conclusion I want to say that I love it regardless of clicking sound of the back cover or constant need of cleaning screen form fingerprints and a few other things that could be better.
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I found the North American version (32GB Wifi) to be a complete disappointment especially quality-wise:
- the backing was not stuck on properly — probably a defect, but not an unexpected one when double-sided tape is used
- the screen visibly flexed and activated the touch sensor when I pressed on the back
- erratically sensitive screen — perhaps due to tacky feel of anti-shatter film
- diagonal lines on the screen
- shadow along the bottom edge
- the Sony Android build broke Firefox Sync
I suspect the slim design of the tablet made it more prone to those defects. Needless to say, I returned it after a week.
I actually have my eye on the Toshiba Excite Write and it will definitely be the next one I try — the Xperia was for me the 5th in a run of defective tablets from various manufacturers. The decidedly unsexy design of the Excite probably means it's less defect-prone, the OS is as close as you'll get to stock Jelly Bean without a Nexus and Toshiba has promised Key Lime Pie, and finally that Wacom digitizer means it'll be great for handwritten note-taking which is exactly what I need it for. The insane rez screen, Gorilla 2 glass and the Tegra 4 are just icing on the cake for the same price as the Xperia.
the overly sensitive touch screen is due to a software issue, which was corrected in the most recent update, as for all the defects it just sounds like you got the lemon of the bunch ive had mine a couple months and not experienced any of the issues you've described. i love my XTZ i have the SGP311 16GB Wifi only version, its light, slim, super fast (coming from a cube u30gt lol) and im happy with it.
sorry to hear you had such a bad experience though
Yes, mine also has none of the aforementioned problems or defects.
Love it, works really fine.
Only thing is that one has to customize it a bit before it runs optimally (replace pre-installed laggy apps with 3rd party ones, rooting and disabling certain resource hogs etc.).
This of course is not how it should be; the out-of-the-box experience should be flawless on a high end device.
Pros: the looks, waterproofing, awesome gaming with playstation certified, stamina mode, high res screen, IR sensor(unique to this tablet), 4.2.2 update is due for the tablet in a few weeks.
cons: timescape UI is laggy and Since it is slim, you can feel the heat from the processor...
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Pros: the looks, waterproofing, awesome gaming with playstation certified, stamina mode, high res screen, IR sensor(unique to this tablet), 4.2.2 update is due for the tablet in a few weeks.
cons: timescape UI is laggy and Since it is slim, you can feel the heat from the processor...
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What is the timescape UI?
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What is the timescape UI?
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Timescape was the official name for Sony's skin (just like how HTC calls their Android version Sense or Samsung names theirs TouchWhiz), but it seems they've dropped that name. The XPERIA launcher is occasionally laggy but systems apps such as Settings, Messaging, etc. all run flawlessly.
My unit has fairly flawless build quality as far as I'm concerned - buttons are slightly mushy, but that's not uncommon. Rigidity is impressive, but slight flex is possible with significant pressure (something you shouldn't be applying to any device in the first place). But what gets me is just how nice the materials feel, especially the grippy plastic back.
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Timescape was the official name for Sony's skin (just like how HTC calls their Android version Sense or Samsung names theirs TouchWhiz), but it seems they've dropped that name. The XPERIA launcher is occasionally laggy but systems apps such as Settings, Messaging, etc. all run flawlessly.
My unit has fairly flawless build quality as far as I'm concerned - buttons are slightly mushy, but that's not uncommon. Rigidity is impressive, but slight flex is possible with significant pressure (something you shouldn't be applying to any device in the first place). But what gets me is just how nice the materials feel, especially the grippy plastic back.
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I went ahead and ordered one. Will have it tomorrow. I hope it is easy to root, etc. As well as to flashing new ROMS on it. I shall see, I guess
acdcking12345 said:
I went ahead and ordered one. Will have it tomorrow. I hope it is easy to root, etc. As well as to flashing new ROMS on it. I shall see, I guess
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If you ordered the Japanese SO-03E, there is a simple just-run-this tool available for it. If not, there are rooting methods discusse here at xda for older versions of international XPERIA Z tablets' firmware.
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If you ordered the Japanese SO-03E, there is a simple just-run-this tool available for it. If not, there are rooting methods discusse here at xda for older versions of international XPERIA Z tablets' firmware.
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Didn't know there was an international option. I just ordered it from a US company, so I figure it isn't.
Ill have to see what firmware it is running when I get it today.
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So I am looking to replace my Ipad. I have been looking at the new Toshiba excite pro with the Tegra 4 CPU.
But I have come back to this Sony Tablet a few times. How do you guys like it? Does it feel snappy? Good quality?
Any negatives? Since it is water resistent, does it make it harder to use the headphone jack, charger jack, etc?
Has it been out long enough that it is considered old technology now? Should I wait?
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I have mine for 2 months now and apart from battery taking really too long to fully recharge (6 hours) I can't complain about this tablet. Everything works as it should. I totally recommend it!
I looked but couldn't find, is there a recommended beginner's guide to the Z Ultra? If not, given the nearly 1.5 year lifetime of the device/community, what top tip would you give somebody receiving a new device in a few days?
I have just ordered my ZU. I am IT involved (work and hobby) but have virtually no Android or Xperia experience. This will be my first real/recent Android experience, I have had very limited experience up to now- a few hours on a 2.3 phone 2 years ago and on a tablet with Cyanogenmod last year. I have been using various Blackberry and Windows devices the last few years and before that the iphone.
I plan to just play safe the first week or two, trying out some Google Play store apps only, etc. Is there anything important I should do on first use? I'm not sure exactly what version the device will have loaded, anything to do before the OTA software update kicks in?
I plan to eventually root the device which seems necessary for certain things I want to do, I will read up on details , I'm aware of some key backup requirements.
Hi Jess91,
Welcome to the club!
Having IT experience, you should be comfortable navigating android and all the information around it. Read through all the stickies, particularly in the general section and Q/A. Familiarize with the lingo (root, rom, (custom) recovery, bootloader etc) -- you may already know what these mean.
In terms of "first things" -- I think you should be okay with the OTAs (see Blueether's Everything Root sticky - I believe the starting firmware ROM is the up-to-date version). Follow the right instructions (i.e Google Play Edition phone vs. Sony Xperia phone). As soon as you root, backup your ROM and your TA (I gather you're already familiar).
As for first things - my tip is to protect the device (physically):
-The long thin frame makes the phone prone to bend and there are plenty of reports in this forum of people cracking their screens from nothing more than having their phone in their pockets. Personally, I got a sturdy case and put tempered glass screen protectors on it to give it more rigidity. Others avoid pocketing the device all together.
-It's IP certified, but not covered under warranty if it gets water damaged. Also, the IP rating is for fresh water (i.e. not salt water or necessarily chlorinated water ).
-The screen is covered by an ASF which is prone to finger prints and scratching (especially if you plan to use a pen). Get a screen protector of some kind. Removing the film could void warranty (YMMV) but many people do remove it.
-take care with the flaps... kinda flimsy
-take care with magnetic cables-- can brick your device if you put them on the wrong way. Not officially supported by Sony.
Aside from the solvable physical weaknesses (and the camera) it's a very solid device - attractive design and runs like fire.
If you have questions (after a search of course) ask in this forum. It's a small community, but like a small town you begin to recognize everyone and people generally want to help. Response time can vary though.
Come back and let us know how it goes (and add any new tips you have for future users).
Thanks unidentifier.
Some real nuggets in your post. I appreciate it.
I am familiar with rooting, roms, bootloaders concepts, just not Android specifics. I will read Blueether's Everything Root thread when I have some spare time. My phone will come with Sony ROM, not GPe. From the quick reading I've done up to now, the 2 things that have stuck on rooting are:
- earlier versions are easier to root than latest (may be moot point if root on earlier doesn't stick when OS updated)
- need to back up a few things, especially not to lose some Sony keys to restore certain functionality (DRM related?)
I would like a stable, reliable device so can't really see myself moving away from the Sony ROM (which looked quiet good, unlike some other manufacturers' bloatware), so root to use as and when needed, not to install different ROMs. Depending on whether rooting sticks or has to be redone with OS updates, I'll do it after careful reading of the instructions. I haven't decided but I get the impression I should apply any OTA updates to have a patched device and worry about rooting later. Is that right, or is there advantage rooting sooner before these updates?
Your point on protection is well noted. Most of my posts so far have been in the Accessory sub-forum trying find a good case. I will be using the ZU more like a tablet, mostly at home on the couch or at work on my desk, it won't replace my phone being carried around everywhere, certainly not in pocket. I have purchased what seems to be the sturdiest case (ebay 121248924363) which has a magnetic charging access- this looks like a cheap version of the Incipio Dual Pro, which doesn't have magnetic charger access- a deal breaker for me.
My initial plan on case was to use a less protective option (ebay 181400289992) which I have also bought but not yet received. Even if the first case is strong enough, neither provide any screen protection (I will be carrying in a large bag with things like keys that may scratch) so I am looking for an additional container to use when carrying. Slightly overkill would be a Pelican type hard plastic shell with foam, more likely I will use a tupperware container.
Yes, in deciding on the ZU, I saw the many debates on ASF. The main question for me was whether it is best to install a glass protector over it (in which case, ideally on day 1) or to replace it (removing ASF). My conclusion (maybe wrong) was it is better not to have a/another protector on top of the ASF and given my light finger (no pen) careful (indoor) usage the ASF alone should be OK. Unfortunately, all this seems a bit subjective- clearly ASF is not scratch resistant to the extent of Gorilla glass but the complaints about it aren't scratches from fingers/nails, they seem to be due to keys in bag/pocket, stylus/other pointer, etc. I also saw various comments on how the ASF felt better, maybe not as smooth as glass, it was closer to the desired experience. ASF seems to be the biggest discussion topic on ZU, and many opinions.
Regarding the IP rating, I see it as a bonus not a challenge. My watch is 150M waterproof but I still take it off when showering. No other phone of mine has ever had flaps and I was even considering cutting/taking them off (gasp...the horror..am I expelled from ZU community?) as they get in the way, especially the USB. After looking at the options, I've decided to use the magnetic port (will use real Sony Dock's cable and/or Magnector X) for charging and Miracast technology to display on TV not USB. While I don't care too much about the flap, the integrity of the USB connector is still important. Daily USB charging and USB/MHL adapter use after a year or two takes it toll.
I have no use at all for the rear camera. I'll only occasionally use the front camera for video calling.
So a few questions/doubts, but nothing major. Going over the points like this makes me more reassured. Would be interested in your thoughts.
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Thanks unidentifier.
Some real nuggets in your post. I appreciate it.
I am familiar with rooting, roms, bootloaders concepts, just not Android specifics. I will read Blueether's Everything Root thread when I have some spare time. My phone will come with Sony ROM, not GPe. From the quick reading I've done up to now, the 2 things that have stuck on rooting are:
- earlier versions are easier to root than latest (may be moot point if root on earlier doesn't stick when OS updated)
- need to back up a few things, especially not to lose some Sony keys to restore certain functionality (DRM related?)
I would like a stable, reliable device so can't really see myself moving away from the Sony ROM (which looked quiet good, unlike some other manufacturers' bloatware), so root to use as and when needed, not to install different ROMs. Depending on whether rooting sticks or has to be redone with OS updates, I'll do it after careful reading of the instructions. I haven't decided but I get the impression I should apply any OTA updates to have a patched device and worry about rooting later. Is that right, or is there advantage rooting sooner before these updates?
Your point on protection is well noted. Most of my posts so far have been in the Accessory sub-forum trying find a good case. I will be using the ZU more like a tablet, mostly at home on the couch or at work on my desk, it won't replace my phone being carried around everywhere, certainly not in pocket. I have purchased what seems to be the sturdiest case (ebay 121248924363) which has a magnetic charging access- this looks like a cheap version of the Incipio Dual Pro, which doesn't have magnetic charger access- a deal breaker for me.
My initial plan on case was to use a less protective option (ebay 181400289992) which I have also bought but not yet received. Even if the first case is strong enough, neither provide any screen protection (I will be carrying in a large bag with things like keys that may scratch) so I am looking for an additional container to use when carrying. Slightly overkill would be a Pelican type hard plastic shell with foam, more likely I will use a tupperware container.
Yes, in deciding on the ZU, I saw the many debates on ASF. The main question for me was whether it is best to install a glass protector over it (in which case, ideally on day 1) or to replace it (removing ASF). My conclusion (maybe wrong) was it is better not to have a/another protector on top of the ASF and given my light finger (no pen) careful (indoor) usage the ASF alone should be OK. Unfortunately, all this seems a bit subjective- clearly ASF is not scratch resistant to the extent of Gorilla glass but the complaints about it aren't scratches from fingers/nails, they seem to be due to keys in bag/pocket, stylus/other pointer, etc. I also saw various comments on how the ASF felt better, maybe not as smooth as glass, it was closer to the desired experience. ASF seems to be the biggest discussion topic on ZU, and many opinions.
Regarding the IP rating, I see it as a bonus not a challenge. My watch is 150M waterproof but I still take it off when showering. No other phone of mine has ever had flaps and I was even considering cutting/taking them off (gasp...the horror..am I expelled from ZU community?) as they get in the way, especially the USB. After looking at the options, I've decided to use the magnetic port (will use real Sony Dock's cable and/or Magnector X) for charging and Miracast technology to display on TV not USB. While I don't care too much about the flap, the integrity of the USB connector is still important. Daily USB charging and USB/MHL adapter use after a year or two takes it toll.
I have no use at all for the rear camera. I'll only occasionally use the front camera for video calling.
So a few questions/doubts, but nothing major. Going over the points like this makes me more reassured. Would be interested in your thoughts.
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You can update to 4.4.4 if it doesn't come installed on your device, then root using the easyroot tool. I installed a plastic wet install screen protector directly over the asf and it seems to reduce the ghost touches. Currently I run the stock Sony rom rooted with xsposed modules to tweak statusbar and give four buttons for softkeys with custom icons. Also sdcard fix for write access to sd.
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You can update to 4.4.4 if it doesn't come installed on your device, then root using the easyroot tool. I installed a plastic wet install screen protector directly over the asf and it seems to reduce the ghost touches. Currently I run the stock Sony rom rooted with xsposed modules to tweak statusbar and give four buttons for softkeys with custom icons. Also sdcard fix for write access to sd.
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As @adfurgerson said, if the ZU is not on 4.4.4 the update to that either by OTA for by manually flashing a FTF (see stickies again). once on 4.4.4 the root with easyroot, install superSU, back up TA, install xposed and all should be good in the world.
The OTA to 5.0 (.1?) will either wipe root of will fail with root (I think only 1 OTA managed to work well with root) so you will have to flash a FTF to get the latest Lollipop when it arrives. Root is easy if you unlock the bootloader, if you want to keep the bootloader locked then it is wait for an exploit time.
I got mine on eBay, as an early present ? for me. ? headphone jack was defective, so Sony replaced the one I sent in with a new device. One week , from when FedEx picked up defective phone ? , to the delivery ? of the model I am writing from.
I am running stock Sony, as I am far from being tech savvy with my gadgets.
Actually synced all my contacts ,and apps from Google ,so setup was very easy. Strongly suggest to back up to your Google account ,as well as using PCC for backup as well.
Got a genuine Sony DK30 at a good priceline eBay as well , which I highly recommend, since there seems to be problems with the USB port flap staying closed.
Hooked on the big screen, plus LTE, which I have at&t as my provider here in the US. Speeds here in my rural area are disappointing, will see how they are when I travel to NYC later this week.
Otherwise, very satisfied with this mobile phone .
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I also splurged on ilLumishield screen protectors front and back, to prevent major scratches, and a liquid screen cleaner for smudges on this, and my Xperia L and Vaio notebook. Rubber plastic case for protection, cheap from eBay, but looking at the Sony cover w/stylus and built in battery, that seems to be very expensive, whether on Amazon or eBay.
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You can update to 4.4.4 if it doesn't come installed on your device, then root using the easyroot tool. Currently I run the stock Sony rom rooted with xsposed modules to tweak statusbar and give four buttons for softkeys with custom icons. Also sdcard fix for write access to sd.
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As @adfurgerson said, if the ZU is not on 4.4.4 the update to that either by OTA for by manually flashing a FTF (see stickies again). once on 4.4.4 the root with easyroot, install superSU, back up TA, install xposed and all should be good in the world.
The OTA to 5.0 (.1?) will either wipe root of will fail with root (I think only 1 OTA managed to work well with root) so you will have to flash a FTF to get the latest Lollipop when it arrives. Root is easy if you unlock the bootloader, if you want to keep the bootloader locked then it is wait for an exploit time.
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Yes, I thought the jump to Lollipop would wipe any root. Presuming incremental updates are possible (even if/when Lollipop is available to me, I have the choice to only update to 4.4.4 and not to latest) I will follow the advice. I am new to Android to would actually like to play around with the old 4.x first, just out of curiosity.
I have no immediate interest in unlocking the bootloader (ie to load custom ROMs) but would do so if it makes rooting practical. But, I don't need root immediate- at least, I don't think I do. I like Titanium backup, but even that shouldn't be critical for the first few weeks. I need to read up a little more, starting with blueether's sticky.
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Got a genuine Sony DK30 at a good priceline eBay as well , which I highly recommend, since there seems to be problems with the USB port flap staying closed. Hooked on the big screen, plus LTE, which I have at&t as my provider here in the US. Speeds here in my rural area are disappointing, will see how they are when I travel to NYC later this week. Otherwise, very satisfied with this mobile phone .
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The DK30 is on my list, as is a Magnector X as I need 2 and can't decide from opinions which is better. What are you using to connect to your big screen? USB/MHL or Miracast? I don't want to use the USB flap on a daily basis so thinking of getting a Netgar PTV3000.
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I installed a plastic wet install screen protector directly over the asf and it seems to reduce the ghost touches.
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frothe3 said:
I also splurged on ilLumishield screen protectors front and back, to prevent major scratches, and a liquid screen cleaner for smudges on this, and my Xperia L and Vaio notebook. Rubber plastic case for protection, cheap from eBay, but looking at the Sony cover w/stylus and built in battery, that seems to be very expensive, whether on Amazon or eBay.
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I spent more time reading up on the topic of ASF and screen protectors, and I'm getting a little worried. It seems a feather can crack ASF! Altough I will use the device very carefully (indoors, just fingers) it seems best I get some screen protection. I don't want to remove the ASF, at least not until I settle in with the device, consensus seems to suggest adding a protector on top of the ASF may cause some pointing issues and reduce clarity somewhat but it is not terrible. I would prefer the really dry (static) types, that come off with ease- don't want residue/chemicals involved. I don't need impact protection so leaning away from tempered glass, which also tend to be quiet expensive. Some glass protectors I've had have been very grippy (I have moist figures/humid climate), in a way I prefer the grittier lower quality plastics for feel. I will look into dry plastic variants.
I saw the only good video on the iLumishield (SamTheeGeek on youtube), but installation wasn't shown. Any idea how/what taking it off would be like? Also, looks very shiny. I took a quick look on their site and I see a few options including matte option. Which do you have frothe3? I like the prices, $10-15 for 2-3 packs. I wonder how these compare with ones like Clarivue which seem to come up a lot in searches.
I just purchased the illumishield Blue Light screen protectors front and back, because it is supposed to be easier on the ? eyes, causing less eyestrain .
I'm a novice myself, I never root, and only flashed a branded device to generic once, with my Xperia X10a several years ago . Brings advantages and disadvantages ,the advantages won out in the end.
For throwing video ? ,I believe Mirracast or DLNA is the way to go.
I really like having an unlocked mobile Phone .
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The illumishield got lots of positive feedback on Amazon, that is why I chose them over any other screen protector. They have three different types. I would go to their website to check out illumishield. Would also check out the one you mentioned on Amazon, to check reviews, before you go and buy.
This novice wishes you luck ? .
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I just purchased the illumishield Blue Light screen protectors front and back, because it is supposed to be easier on the ? eyes, causing less eyestrain .
The illumishield got lots of positive feedback on Amazon, that is why I chose them over any other screen protector. They have three different types. I would go to their website to check out illumishield. Would also check out the one you mentioned on Amazon, to check reviews, before you go and buy.
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Thanks. illumishield definitely passes the Amazon test. Reviews look good. I wanted to see some detailed videos/pictures, but will trust the reviews.
It looks like the application (and removal) is easy, without much mess. I will stick on top of ASF, want to put on and take off without using chemicals. This is very important, and illumishield seems similar to the Clarivue I was looking at (not as popular a brand/product).
Going by their site, I see the 3 types: regular, matte, with blue light filter, in sets of 2 or 3, just front screen or both front and back. I've seen general recommendations (not specific to illumishield) to "stay away from matte" due to distortion in both sharpness and color (rainbow effect). I will be using indoors (home/office) with lights from ceiling (sometimes strong flurescent/spot lights) so am concerned shininess will be a major issue. In videos the screen looks really shiny.
This is the first time I'm seeing the blue filter you have- does it actually work in reducing eye strain and does it look different (worse colors or sharpness)?
I will be using a case so the back protection isn't too important, I presume the back is always the same. I might buy one set with back and another just fronts to test. I have to try to find some comparisons between blue filter and regular, if blue looks the same (color/clarity quality) I'll go for the blue and maybe a matte.
The matte option apparently reduces pixel clarity, even the good brand ones like illumishield. I will first try the regular before the more expensive blue filter or matte if too shiny. Unfortunately, illumishield is not available in Europe (I'm in studying the UK for the next year), and they charge crazy amount for shipping and will take 3 weeks to arrive. For now, I'll have to make do with a cheaper type and pick up illumishield when back stateside.
Hey,
I just bought a Z Ultra myself and after searching and reading a lot on the forums I'm still left with a few questions.
unidentifier said:
-take care with magnetic cables-- can brick your device if you put them on the wrong way. Not officially supported by Sony.
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How can you tell if you put them on the right way? I ordered a magnetic adapter from Amazon (it hasn't arrived yet) and now I'm worried that I will use it wrong.
Also I'm a bit confused about Lollipop for this device. Apparently there is an officially version for the GP Edition which will be ported over to the normal edition. Right now I'm on stock Android (4.4.4) but I want to install a custom ROM as soon as possible. Should I wait for Lollipop or will this take another few weeks/months?
And is there any ROM/kernel combination you can recommend? Right now I'm thinking about using SlimKat.
Thanks for your help.
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Hey,
How can you tell if you put them on the right way? I ordered a magnetic adapter from Amazon (it hasn't arrived yet) and now I'm worried that I will use it wrong.
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So, to start off with you use these cables at your own risk. Since they're not made by Sony, there aren't necessarily controls for quality or standards. Sony wouldn't have to service your phone for a non-recommended third party cable (again, YMMV as it has for users here). Go with a reputable source, with established positive reviews for the product itself to be safe. This said, I personally use one regularly and I'm hoping it's not doing any damage (but I also know my regional Sony Service Centre will likely service it).
CORRECT USAGE:
As you'll notice from the magnetic port on your phone, there are two small prongs. One is larger and more oval shaped while the other is more circular. See the picture below where the left port is the larger one:
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Correspondingly the adapter will have two female spaces that are differently sized for the prongs. That's how you know which way they go. In this image the bottom port larger to accommodate the larger prong:
Image 2: http://goo.gl/9vsSBN
That's how you know for sure. As a rule of thumb, it seems most manufacturers align the cables so the cord is going down the phone is held in portrait.
The port is intended to be used with a dock, which eliminates the problem of putting it in the wrong way. With a cable, it's too easy for the magnets to connect the opposite ways and bring your device, which is probably why Sony has never made magnetic cables.
Mangoniter said:
Also I'm a bit confused about Lollipop for this device. Apparently there is an officially version for the GP Edition which will be ported over to the normal edition. Right now I'm on stock Android (4.4.4) but I want to install a custom ROM as soon as possible. Should I wait for Lollipop or will this take another few weeks/months?
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The first port of the Lollipop GPE is here (unlocked bootloader (UB) only at time of this post):
http://goo.gl/7RtQ7o
The Kitkat GPE port is available for both locked and unlocked bootloaders:
http://goo.gl/HjAnzC
They are excellent.
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And is there any ROM/kernel combination you can recommend? Right now I'm thinking about using SlimKat.
Thanks for your help.
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The recommended practice is to use the kernel that comes zipped with the ROM so you have one that works as intended for installation. I would look through the ROM's threads for other kernel recommendations.
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Wow, thank you so much for this detailed answer. I really appreciate it.
The Lollipop port looks pretty good but I'll probably wait a little longer before I flash anything. The magnetic adapter should arrive in a few days and I'll just mark both connectors to avoid any mistakes.
Thanks again and have a good day!
This is a good thread been an android fan for a few years upgrading slowly and bought this lovely monster. Little niggles is its sometimes unresponsive pressing the power button and sometimes slows down for no reason. Stamina not really helpful so will try battery guru. Rooted now and xposed on it running greenify and bootmanager running better. Installed dual recovery and now pondering on the next steps to go.
My phone arrived a few days ago, let me provide an update and ask a few more question in bold:
- great device, very happy.
- it came with 4.4.4 (14.4.A.0.108), I'm not sure if the vendor (Expansys UK) applied updates (the unit is new but the box not sealed) or came like this from Sony. I won't root until Lollipop issues resolved, my biggest reason to root is for host file editing (Adaway)
- after peeling off the heavy duty screen protection (not ASF, the thing that comes with most you are supposed to remove) I applied a screen protector. I was going to order an Illumishield but they were too expensive (about $20 including shipping for 2 pairs of front and backs) and would take at least 10 days (probably more given time of year) to be shipped from US to UK. Instead I bought ebay 360780294389, 5 pack (fronts only) for about $4. I applied the first one, no problems, screen looks good, not too shiny. I have not removed the plastic layer (with instructions) on the back, I thought about applying one of my screen protectors on the back but these are somewhat firm plastic, I presume the ones intended for back are more flexible/different?
- I've placed the phone in a case (and so the back protection should be OK). I do not recommend 121248924363, it may work if you straighten out the back and use glue to stick the rubber and plastic pieces together but overall it felt like something from a dollar store. I recommend ebay 181400289992. This won't protect against heavy bashing but provides good feel in hand and scratch/slip protection to the back without being too thick. I had to widen the magnetic charging port, it would not accommodate the plug. I am using the cable removed from genuine Sony DK30. After much thought, I went with this over Magnector for peace of mind. No brand cheap stuff off ebay for some accessories are fine, I would never risk it with batteries, chargers, etc. The cable would fairly easily come loose without the case, with the case it's really good and only comes off when I want it to. With the case it won't fit the dock (even with the wider case option) so you would have to sandpaper it to make it wider. I will order another DK30 and take the cable out to have a second cable.
If I use the phone more like a tablet at home/office, is it better to keep it plugged in (fully charged) or unplug/run down and charge back up again? Also, is it possible to switch off the green LED signalling charge above 90%?
Somewhat related, must the power button really be used to wake device? I was expecting tapping on screen would do it. Power button is a bit difficult to hit with the case.
I installed a few apps from Google Play, mostly from the big players. Is it safe to assume all apps have been vetted properly? (like Apple store) Some apps require access to things that don't make any sense, so I avoid them. Also, when an app has access to certain things e.g. SD media card read/write, am I correct this is always restricted to the sandbox of the app and not full system/card wide?
I will be migrating my web surfing from PC to ZU. On PC, I've used Firefox with various add-ons and, most importantly, an edited hosts file for over 5 years now. For hosts file, it seems Adaway simplifies the manual editing but all this requires root. For now, I'll put up with ads, need to read up still on rooting. Having been a long time FF user, I tried the Android app but was disappointed it is noticeable slower to load pages and does not scroll smootly like Chrome. I tried Puffin which seemed OK, quiet fast. I have not tried Dolphin or Opera which seem to be the other big ones but I have a feeling I'll keep using Chrome. It seems most optimized, in a way it feels like part of the OS and not "an app" on top.
Chrome doesn't support add-ons, which I thought would be a deal breaker but thinking about it almost all of my FF add-ons on PC are to undo the functionality lost over the years with FF updates- mostly looks, so not relevant to Chrome on Android. At this stage, the biggest miss is my Youtube experience for which I used GreaseMonkey scripts on FF PC. The Youtube app plays videos fine but the interaction is so minimalist- no comments, can't easily jump from a video to user page, etc. Playing video via Chrome results in very choppy quality.
After about 10 hours of web browsing with Chrome, my biggest annoyances (besides the adds I will address with root later) is not being able to make the "request dekstop site" option stick. With a display size this big in widescreen mode, I find almost always prefer the original site over mobile versions or apps. I like the notification function from apps, but wish it could be represented in widgets like tiles on Windows. But, in general both apps and mobile look a bit childish on the ZU.
Is Chrome generally the best overall experience on the ZU? I'm particularly interested in non-Chrome fans, like FF users on PC. I have heard hit & miss things about Dolphin and Opera, I will probably try them in a few days but interested in the community view.
I have to find a way to get my bookmarks and passwords from PC to ZU. I see a few opions, I don't want to do this via sync so I would probably go via SD card.
2 misc questions:
The Google search widget: I thought when I tried this in the store, clicking on the search box (not the microphone) brought up the keyboard on top of the home screen (not a full new screen). Am I misremembering?
The charger (EP880) whines already. I'm used to chargers eventually whining after some months but not from day 1. Is it just mine or are they all like this?
I put on ilLumishield screen protectors front and back on my Z Ultra today, screen looks really good.
Unfortunately, detritus and bubbles are underneath, a little disappointed and distracting. But I really like the illumishield, and the feel and feedback from the screen is very good.
Also highly recommend Bryson Screen Cleaner, got it for my bare screen on Xperia J. Phenomenal! Cleans without streaks, although smells disgusting. Screen on Sony Vaio notebook computer ? is the cleanest since it was new.
Rubber plastic case, which is basic, but no longer care for. So, have to look for another GOOD phone case.
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I put on ilLumishield screen protectors front and back on my Z Ultra today, screen looks really good.
Unfortunately, detritus and bubbles are underneath, a little disappointed and distracting. But I really like the illumishield, and the feel and feedback from the screen is very good.
Also highly recommend Bryson Screen Cleaner, got it for my bare screen on Xperia J. Phenomenal! Cleans without streaks, although smells disgusting. Screen on Sony Vaio notebook computer ? is the cleanest since it was new.
Rubber plastic case, which is basic, but no longer care for. So, have to look for another GOOD phone case.
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Thanks, unfortunately this does not answer any of my questions.
Can you tell me if the back protector with your illumishield is different/thinner material or just like the front?
Hi all.
When this device was launched it was my dream device, but that's more than a year ago. I've been running with the XZU for some time, and am seriously considering making the jump to the Z3TC. As far as I can tell, there's no stronger actor in the same segment in today's market when I consider manufacturer, software, guarantees etc - even the dev scene has some small manner of activity.
After seeing that there was no Z5 Ultra at IFA, I think I need to get this device - but I'd like to hear from users and others if there's any reason not to get it at this point (q3 2015)?
I'll be using this as my main driver, meaning also as a phone. I know the latest Huawei MediaPad can do some of what this tab can, and I'm hearing the nes Sammy tab can make phones too. But Sony's waterproofing and form factor has got me hooked, what say you xda?
Most used tablet I have ever owned. LTE did it for me. No more hunting Wifi.
And I agree about the form factor. Battery life rocks too.
I've been a phablet user since the Note. I moved to the Nexus 6 earlier this year and in August traded it for the Z3TC.
My main use is reading and watching videos. I don't take a lot of pictures or make/receive phone calls. With the N6 and other smartphones there was still too much scrolling around webpages. So it was the right time to make the jump to a small and light tablet which could be carried around all day without worrying about battery life.
I tried the Tab S 8.4 earlier in the year (before the lollipop release) and returned it. The Chrome browser was too laggy, I didn't try or want to use another browser. I was a bit worried about the performance coming from a Nexus 6 but so far have been amazed at how smooth everything is. I'll be holding on to mine for a long time.
I had a Z3 last year and I missed the magnetic charging connector, now I have it back on the tablet. I can use it in a dock beside the bed and at work and with magnetic adapters in the car.
The display isn't as good as the Tab S amoled display, noticeable when watching videos in a dark room. But it feels a lot better in the hand and I prefer the on screen buttons and placement of the speakers.
I just bought mine a week ago. after 8 years of iPhone!!
It's a great size and really good looking!
If you plan to put a custom rom on it you should be careful! My camera does not focus with CM12.1/crDroid.
the sony software sucks but what can you do?.. hehe
It's still a great device and it is my only device now. It's not a real phone though but it works. Headset is recommended
Thanks for the answers, folks!
I dived in and bought myself one too. Have to upgrade my dataplan as soon as it arrives. I couldn't wait until march for the Z5 Ultra which is somewhere down the pipeline. A bit nervous about the rooting process but overall super excited.
I'm thinking about taking the plunge on this too. My second gen Nexus 7 is really starting to show it's age, but I love the seven inch form factor. What I don't understand is all the different variants of this device. I live in Asia, and probably won't get the 4G model, but do want root. My big question is I would like a travel case like my Nexae had...silicone with overleaf cover. It is my sofa device, so only leaves home when I travel. I hate those sloppy covers like everyone has on their iPads with a few cheap elastics in the corners...ugly, heavy, and just bad design. Does anyone do anything like this that for thiis for this device?
https://www.asus.com/Tablet-Accessory/Nexus_7_Travel_Cover