Our vibrants will have it right?
On tmobile's website it says its compatible with all android phones! So we will have it? Can anybody confirm?
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I think we will get hspa not hspa plus
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TBH, I don't think that the vibrants have the hardware for hspa+. The first hspa+ phone is supposed to be the G2 IIRC.
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Then why does it say on the T-Mobile website that all android phones are compatible?
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the phones will be able to read the hspa+ signal, but will be limited to ~7mbps while the g2 (which is the first hspa+ capable phone) will have a limit of 14.4mbps.
the phone can receive the signal, just not take advantage of it.
geoffcorey said:
the phones will be able to read the hspa+ signal, but will be limited to ~7mbps while the g2 (which is the first hspa+ capable phone) will have a limit of 14.4mbps.
the phone can receive the signal, just not take advantage of it.
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Consider that 7.2 mbps is the theoratical through put of hspa, and we know that it is unrealistic to expect full speed. Perhaps, the hspa+ will actually benefit us by running at the speed limit.
HSPA+ area rollouts will mean T-Mobile has hopefully provisioned extra backhaul capacity for that area, which means that phones that DO NOT support HSPA+ (i.e. like ours) will benefit from increased speeds in all liklihood. The connection from the antenna towers TO the net is just as important as the towers themselves.
Just realize that HSPA+ devices in HSPA+ markets aren't hitting HSPA+'s theoretical peak speeds either. Why? Backhaul capacity and the realistic limitations of wireless signal propagation.
You just have to put these things into perspective. For me, here in a non HSPA+ market, my download and upload speeds are almost as good as I get via cable internet, and comparable to DSL here. Even the latency is tolerable for online gaming when I'm out tethered.
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Then why does it say on the T-Mobile website that all android phones are compatible?
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It means it's capable of picking up the signal if you are in the coverage.
Your computer has built-in WIFI but it doesn't mean you can use WIFI from any corner of the earth.
Just realize that HSPA+ devices in HSPA+ markets aren't hitting HSPA+'s theoretical peak speeds either. Why? Backhaul capacity and the realistic limitations of wireless signal propagation.
Hehe, just drive up to a tower at 3am and run speedtest.
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Just realize that HSPA+ devices in HSPA+ markets aren't hitting HSPA+'s theoretical peak speeds either. Why? Backhaul capacity and the realistic limitations of wireless signal propagation.
Hehe, just drive up to a tower at 3am and run speedtest.
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Lol will do
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so i just got off the phone with t-mobile, and i was informed that they are getting 4G in a few months. i wonder if its tRu
The g2 has data speeds as quick or quicker than what other providers refer to as 4g. I don't care what you call it though... If it's fast it's fast.
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would it make a difference? probably not in may case anyways.. i barely get 3G connections around my area..
I thought they are calling it HSPA+? You can go to t-mobile website to see if you are getting it soon. Unfortunately, they have not announced coverage for me. And the G2 is the only phone that can run HSPA+? So either way vibrant users are out of luck. I've also heard that it's not that much faster than 3G...can't remember where though.
Your TMO rep is an idiot. He said 4G because nobody has heard of HSPA+.
4G is a speed standard not a type of wireless technologe. As long as your speed reachs the stardard you can call it 4G.
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4G is a speed standard not a type of wireless technologe. As long as your speed reachs the stardard you can call it 4G.
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Not true at all.
4G = 4th generation = the 4th generation of wireless data technology....
GPRS > EDGE > 3G > 4G/LTE
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4G is a speed standard not a type of wireless technologe. As long as your speed reachs the stardard you can call it 4G.
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It's the exact opposite of what you said. 4G is a technology standard just as 3G and 2G are.
T-Mobile's HSPA+ network operates on a HSPA (3G) technology.
Where can i see if my city will get hspa+?
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It's the exact opposite of what you said. 4G is a technology standard just as 3G and 2G are.
T-Mobile's HSPA+ network operates on a HSPA (3G) technology.
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LTE, WiMax is all branded 4G but I don't think 4G it self is a technology.
HSPA+ is a new technology which is evo from HSPA (3G), but if LTE can call itself 4G why can't HSPA+?
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Where can i see if my city will get hspa+?
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Goto the T-mobile webite and click "coverage" under "Shop"
Click on "Learn more about HSPA+"
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Click on "Check to see if the new network is in your city."
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Goto the T-mobile webite and click "coverage" under "Shop"
Click on "Learn more about HSPA+"
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Click on "Check to see if the new network is in your city."
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YES!! Norfolk VA coming soon!! Now to decide on getting the G2 or waiting on the myTouch HD?? Decisions Decisions..
There are already someone hspa+ towers in our area. Some are in Norfolk and I know of one in great bridge... the great bridge tower was installed less than a year ago. Guess they installed hspa+ on it since its new. I got 5 megs down on that tower with my vibrant.
I say wait for the mytouch hd
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There are already someone hspa+ towers in our area. Some are in Norfolk and I know of one in great bridge... the great bridge tower was installed less than a year ago. Guess they installed hspa+ on it since its new. I got 5 megs down on that tower with my vibrant.
I say wait for the mytouch hd
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Yea that's what I was thinking. I'm hearing about too many problems with the G2. What Great Bridge tower you getting 5 megs out of? I live in Chesapeake and the most I've gotten was between 1.5 and 2.0 megs down in this area.
This totally fits under Vibrant Accessories wtf not to thread bash but wouldn't it be better elsewhere.
If you put [Q] in the subject of your thread do you really think it belongs in Accessories? I mean its not like it matches the sub: Q&A or anything :/
This page will tell you all about the new HSPA+ network.:
http://t-mobile-coverage.t-mobile.com/
If you scroll down youll see a mini map of the US on the left and under it a link that says "Learn more about HSPA+"
when you click it you'll see the area's that have already been upgraded along with the area's that are soon going to be upgraded.
I even attached a picture of the coverage map... I don't understand why people keep talking about this like its a secret/not real....
when a company comes out with something that other companies don't have, or even just something new that other companies do have either way they promote it...
1 look at tmobile.com and most questions are answered. With that much info on this subject this thread and the 50 others about the same thing should be dead... but thats just my opinion :/
MAP: Pink: Upgraded | Blue: Coming Soon
im in the pink.. I know, it sounds bad, but it feels good.
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HSPA+ is available limitedly on several phones already out the Vibrant included if you check signal under status u will sometimes see ur connected at those speeds but it will only show 3g the Touch Pro 2 / HD2 / MyTouch Slide and a few other phones will also get the limite HSPA+. The G2 is just the first to the the full HSPA+ and T-Mobile shall be calling it 4g soon.
Not true. We have hspa+ in nashville and I'm getting double the speed on my vibrant vs. 3g. I'm getting 850 kB/s. The g2 will get higher speeds but the vibrant is benefiting from the hspa towers.
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Not true. We have hspa+ in nashville and I'm getting double the speed on my vibrant vs. 3g. I'm getting 850 kB/s. The g2 will get higher speeds but the vibrant is benefiting from the hspa towers.
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Most likely the speed increase is NOT from hspa+ but from jobs done on the tower backend that increased the hard line capacity, aka internet bandwidth.
So i was reading on phandroid that Tmo is uppin their 4G speed to HSPA+ 42 and it mentioned that 3G HSPA and 4G HSPA was backwards compatible does that mean that we could possibly be getting 4G for the Vibrant?
Edit: Heres the link to the post i read, the backwards compatiblity part is right above the orangish box at the bottom
http://phandroid.com/2011/01/06/t-mobile-hspa-42-live-speed-test-video/
Basically the backwards compatibility only allows for support of the older devices (you will be able to connect to the data service with older devices). You will not get 4g speeds on a device that does not have a radio/antenna that supports 4g. The older devices may get a slight boost to their speeds as 4g does have more bandwidth, but it won't be close to true 4g speeds.
Simpler: No. The Vibrant does not have a 4g radio/antenna in it.
dam, thats not the news i wanted to hear lol... well is there any way to install a 4G antenna/radio on a vibrant or is that obserd? the only thing that i want to change on my vibrant is the speeds off of wifi, with the FFC installation this fone is a real competitor besides only supporting 3G..
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dam, thats not the news i wanted to hear lol... well is there any way to install a 4G antenna/radio on a vibrant or is that obserd? the only thing that i want to change on my vibrant is the speeds off of wifi, with the FFC installation this fone is a real competitor besides only supporting 3G..
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Short answer: No you won't be able to install a 4g radio/antenna into your phone.
Hspa+ areas are very limited. So unless you are in area near a hspa tower then it doesn't make sense to buy a phone with hspa+ capabilities.
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Hspa+ areas are very limited. So unless you are in area near a hspa tower then it doesn't make sense to buy a phone with hspa+ capabilities.
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Thats not entirely true. HSPA+ availability is a state by state thing and not so much a overall area. Most big cities have it already as of now in the US, however some states have small amounts of large metropolitan areas and thus come off as having limited HSPA+ availability.
Eg Texas has 4 major cities with a whole lot more than that in metropolitan areas. So in Texas, I hardly ever loose 3G+ reception. But when I visited Mo, there were a lot more small towns etc and even regular 3G reception wasn't as prevalent.
Im in california and hspa+ coverage sucks. Its in its early stage of development and it'll be a while before having an hspa+ phone is a necessity. Just my opinion. But if you are in an area of hspa+ coverage I would say go for it.
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AT&T says that they will be launching true LTE in select markets in about a weak. I was just curious whether or not our data speeds will increase as well? I know that we have a theoretical high of 14mbs. I hope that there is some chance of this. I hate that we have a phone that seems to be able to only go at one third of its max speed. Thanks in advance for anyone's input.
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AT&T says that they will be launching true LTE in select markets in about a weak. I was just curious whether or not our data speeds will increase as well? I know that we have a theoretical high of 14mbs. I hope that there is some chance of this. I hate that we have a phone that seems to be able to only go at one third of its max speed. Thanks in advance for anyone's input.
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No, because the Atrix is not an LTE phone.
It might improve if AT&T's network were overly saturated and, with the roll out of LTE, they enhanced their internal network with faster links. But I certainly wouldn't expect miracles.
Ahh what a shame. So we will never get the full data speeds our phones are truly capable of.
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Ahh what a shame. So we will never get the full data speeds our phones are truly capable of.
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That's just it, our phones aren't capable of it. Just b/c they stuck 4G in it doesn't make it so. More like 3 1/2 G capable.
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That's just it, our phones aren't capable of it. Just b/c they stuck 4G in it doesn't make it so. More like 3 1/2 G capable.
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3gs capable. x_X
I have questioned "tech support" reps on the phone about this. They falsely claim that ATRIX will do lte. However the ethereal "backhaul" and broadband upgrades may have the switch flipped. So I think we may see some network improvements in some areas as they upgrade existing towers and deploy new technology.
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They'd have to add backhaul to enable LTE too, as previously mentioned which means more FauxG in more areas. One could argue that lighter hspa congestion would allow us to get closer to our theoretical limit, however for that to happen we would have to see a significant portion of AT&T s subscribers change to LTE and you would only enjoy that bump in areas serviced by AT&T.
So if you sat in a two year time capsule...yes, you would see higher rates, though they still wouldn't be anywhere as fast as LTE.
The infuse seems to have better signal and faster data speeds than our phone, what's up with that?
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We have the potential for 21Mbps. Whether you get that will depend on many things like signal strength, how fast whatever you are connecting to can put out, network congestion and utilization; even weather conditions or our current position in the solar cycle all play a part. Some of these are far more measurable than others.
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The infuse seems to have better signal and faster data speeds than our phone, what's up with that?
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Short answer yes, long answer no.
We have HSPA+, classified by ATT as 4G but it's more like "faux g"
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define '4G'
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If going by the original ITU definition, no one has 4G - not even LTE networks are truly 4G, only LTE Advanced would have met the criteria.
Entropy512 said:
If going by the original ITU definition, no one has 4G - not even LTE networks are truly 4G, only LTE Advanced would have met the criteria.
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that sums it all up, right there
bencozzy said:
No. Its not even a proper 3g network.
Cingular is a old technology that'd far outdated and can't be updated to hspa+ no matter who they try to improve the backhaul they needed t-mobile to do it now they are screwed. Lol.
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Uhh... HSPA+ is just faster 3G, just like what T-Mobile has. They want T-Mobile to put LTE on the AWS spectrum, since it has great coverage, but bad building penetration, but that's what 700MHz LTE is for.
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Still doesn't explain why the infuse has better signal and speeds than Samsung's flagship
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Short answer yes, long answer no.
We have HSPA+, classified by ATT as 4G but it's more like "faux g"
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WRONG!!!! Classified by the 3GPP as 4G.
I've not experienced this in the least bit. My signal (wifi, cellular, and GPS) has been superb compared to the Infuse I had. Faster GPS locks, less deadzones, higher wifi signal strength. You may want to go to an AT&T store and compare the signals with one of their Infuse and Galaxy S2s (assuming your stores carry the S2s).
The fastest transfer rate I've gotten on my GS2 over cellular was around 800KB/s down and 140KB/s up. On my Infuse, I never got about 400KB/s down and 65KB/s up.
EDIT: Not really an answer to having 4G or not, but it's moreso comparing to the Infuse. Also, you may want to turn on roaming data.
To say that the Infuse has better reception and faster data/browsing is obsurd. There's a side by side speed comparison on Youtube. They put the SGS2 up against 4 other devices, and the SGS2 destroys them all. On the SGS2 web pages with heavy flash load instantly. Perhaps ot's your demographics; but it's definiately not the device. This is by far, the fastest phone I've ever owned.
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WRONG!!!! Classified by the 3GPP as 4G.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/2g-3g-4g-and-everything-in-between-an-engadget-wireless-prim/
Read that.
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Apparently some GNex users in Athens, GA have a live LTE tower... Let's hope this holds up...
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oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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It runs like what you speak of. Not only a gsm thing. My dads verizon Droid Razr works same way too.
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JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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Great question... With 4G, it didn't even feel like a mobile data connection... Hopefully LTE auto-searches and quickly connects while using the same or less battery.
Also, everyone, the 30mb/s won't stay for long... Once more towers are active and more lte phones are available, which is probably this summer, speeds will be down again.
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It runs like what you speak of. Not only a gsm thing. My dads verizon Droid Razr works same way too.
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Hmm so you have to search for it on Verizon LTE devices as well?!
It is most likely a placebo but I never use 4G because of the fact I feel as if it is like a wifi that can go away or weaken in reception depending on where I go...I like the GSM way of handling 3.5G/4G
*I have had T-Mobile for 6 years, just currently switched to a iPhone 4S with sprint in January...regretting it :|
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
OMG... That's even faster than my router.
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JaY iZz BaKk said:
Hmm so you have to search for it on Verizon LTE devices as well?!
It is most likely a placebo but I never use 4G because of the fact I feel as if it is like a wifi that can go away or weaken in reception depending on where I go...I like the GSM way of handling 3.5G/4G
*I have had T-Mobile for 6 years, just currently switched to a iPhone 4S with sprint in January...regretting it :|
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No, LOL. It auto switches and connects like 1x and 3g do... That iPhone is probably the issue though.
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Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
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5 mbps down on CDMA? Good luck. Sprint isn't just upgrading to LTE. They are doing a huge overhaul of their 3G network using lots of options including massively improved backhaul. From the speed tests I've seen in network vision areas so far, their 3G network should be on par with verizons network as far as speed goes. Coverage will be improved by about 20% as well. I agree they should upgrade to EVDO revision B, although I'm not sure what upgrades would be involved in that.
Back on the topic of the first post though, hot damn. I know speeds will drop once more people start using it, but those are impressive initial results.
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5 mbps down on CDMA? Good luck. Sprint isn't just upgrading to LTE. They are doing a huge overhaul of their 3G network using lots of options including massively improved backhaul. From the speed tests I've seen in network vision areas so far, their 3G network should be on par with verizons network as far as speed goes. Coverage will be improved by about 20% as well. I agree they should upgrade to EVDO revision B, although I'm not sure what upgrades would be involved in that.
Back on the topic of the first post though, hot damn. I know speeds will drop once more people start using it, but those are impressive initial results.
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From the little bit I've read about EV-DO revision B, it wouldn't involve any hardware upgrades. It would only involve a "firmware upgrade", if I remember it correctly. But yeah, 30+ Mb/s down is pretty sick. Even after "full-spectrum saturation", if we could get 10Mb/s in half of their 3G footprint, I'd be satisfied.
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Great question... With 4G, it didn't even feel like a mobile data connection... Hopefully LTE auto-searches and quickly connects while using the same or less battery.
Also, everyone, the 30mb/s won't stay for long... Once more towers are active and more lte phones are available, which is probably this summer, speeds will be down again.
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That is the reason that Sprint is only advertising speeds on LTE just below what Verizon is advertising. For the most part people in unsaturated markets will see speeds exceeding 20Mbps down on a good day. And those speeds may even hold up that high once Sprint starts releasing LTE on 800MHz next year as well. And according to some stuff that people have gotten access to, Sprint will be setting up phones to dynamically switch between LTE on 800, 1900, & 2500 so as to keep cell sites from being over-burdened. It will be a while before Sprint's LTE starts to suffer from over-crowding.
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mike.r.olson said:
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
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Sprint last fall flat out stated that they are not going to roll out EV-DO B. Network Vision will max out the capabilities of EV-DO A while they roll-out LTE on 1900 and 800. After that is complete and LTE Advanced is rolling out, they will be able to start taking existing 1900 EV-DO carriers and transition them to LTE as well. I expect that eventually, EV-DO will be phased out for a completely IP-based voice network using VoLTE. And Sprint is even releasing some devices with SVDO on EV-DO A so you can talk and surf at the same time until LTE is covering their entire network footprint.
JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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Looking at the viper 4g lte options it seems there is no "on-off" setting for 4g lte. Looks like it will just be there. My area doesn't have lte yet so I can't be positive but I definately could not find a 4g setting of any kind
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I'll say it over and over again. Sprint doesn't have a 4G network. Also, Verizon has 50+M down and 12+M up
Then again, at this point in time who needs more than 3-4M down. just upgrade to rev-b and done.
This is a common thing for my WiMAX at the house but WiMAX is so freaking glitchy.
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This is typical WiMAX in my area.
1900mhz is going to be set up 5x5, but no confirmation if 800 and 2.5 will be set up on 5x5 though. More than likely they will be set up on 10x10 since there is a ****load more spectrum on there, especially 2.5GHz. There is 120mhz of spectrum in the 2.5GHz frequency that Clearwire owns.
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From the little bit I've read about EV-DO revision B, it wouldn't involve any hardware upgrades. It would only involve a "firmware upgrade", if I remember it correctly. But yeah, 30+ Mb/s down is pretty sick. Even after "full-spectrum saturation", if we could get 10Mb/s in half of their 3G footprint, I'd be satisfied.
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and yet a year later i am gettn 38 mbs down