I just got my AT&T Xperia X10 and want to root it, mainly to get rid of the AT&T apps they shove on by default and I can't rid of. What is the best method?
I can't give you the links I looked at as I'm new on this forum and they don't allow new users to post outside links. I looked at a link titled:
"Exploid One Click .apk Root (Latest v.1.06 12 Aug. 2010)" (this forum)
...and another one titled:
"Exploid Root Method for Xperia X10 [Tutorial]" (xperiax10.net)
My phone has build number R2CA016 on it, I assume there's no loss of functionality by going to a slightly older build? FYI, my model is X10A.
Thanks.
In my experience, keeping the AT&T build is the better option. My battery life is much better and the phone performs better with no stability issues.
I tried the long method first. I had some issues with the battery barely lasting a day and the device rebooting randomly. It also seemed to get much hotter when using it.
I also tried a few of the decrypted X10a ROMS like Rogers and Latin America Generic. They also exhibited lower battery life and the Latin version had some random reboots.
I went back to the stock AT&T ROM, rooted, removed all the AT&T crapware, and re-enabled the non-market apps option. The phone has been amazingly stable and the battery will last me two days.
Additionally, I found Handcent and ADW both reduced my battery life significantly so I am not using either of those on my phone now. I also remove ALL the AT&T apps including the Exchange app.
Slow down, I'm still getting to grips with this phone!
Right now the battery lasts just over one day, so I'm trying to figure out what apps are running in the background so I can axe anything un-necessary. When you say the "long method", do you mean the procedure in this forum called "Exploid One Click", or the one in the Xperax10.net forum?
Can I save the stock ROM that's installed, so I can go back to it if I want? I just want to remove the garbage-ware to be honest, I don't use Facebook, Youtube, Timescape or all the other apps AT&T puts on. Can you give me a procedure for what you did? Sticking to the AT&T ROM sounds like a good idea, I just want to remove the AT&T apps. FYI, I need an app that let's me connect to MS Exchange.
aln688 said:
"Exploid Root Method for Xperia X10 [Tutorial]" (xperiax10.net)
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Also on this forum. Many people now use the one click method, but any of the guides found in this section of the forum will do, it just depends which way you feel most comfortable with.
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Also on this forum. Many people now use the one click method, but any of the guides found in this section of the forum will do, it just depends which way you feel most comfortable with.
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I'm alright using any of the methods, especially with command prompts, I just wasn't sure if my phone being AT&T would cause a problem. The goal is to wipe the AT&T apps off and just put on what I need.
So far as ROMs, is there any in particular I should be looking at? Surely my ROM is newer than some referred to in the guides? I see "R2BA026" mentioned a lot, where-as I have R2CA016.
I also want a Wi-Fi app that can connect to hidden networks. The default app on my phone works, but when you move away from the network and come back, it no longer sees it. So I'll be looking for a new app for Wi-Fi connections.
Thanks.
I used the longer of two, and I have experienced much better battery life with juice defender on my rooted x10.. All depends what u do and what u have running I guess...but, no probs since rooting a month ago and still going strong. Also, I do not see batt drain from adw and I have been using it for over a month.
Fyi, originally a rogers locked x10a, now unlocked, rooted and running 026 firmware. Hope that helps.. Good luck.
Sent via Swype via rooted Xperia X10a via XDA app.
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Surely my ROM is newer than some referred to in the guides? I see "R2BA026" mentioned a lot, where-as I have R2CA016.
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Just use the one click method then, install Titanium Backup and remove whatever apps you want.
XperiaX10iUser said:
Just use the one click method then, install Titanium Backup and remove whatever apps you want.
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Yes, use the one-click to root. Then you need to install a root file explorer to remove the apk files in the \data\app-private directory. Otherwise, when you uninstall with Titanium Backup it just reinstalls them automatically. If you don't understand what I am saying you can send me a private message and I'll help you through it.
There is one particular apk that you do not want to remove if you need Exchange support. That apk is com.nitrodesk.sony.nitroid.apk
To re-enable non-market apps, look for the non-market app thread under the Samsung Captivate on this forum. The only difference is that on our phone, the settings.db file is in /data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/settings.db. You will need to use that in the place of the directory for the Captivate settings.db
Jikenda said:
I used the longer of two, and I have experienced much better battery life with juice defender on my rooted x10.. All depends what u do and what u have running I guess...but, no probs since rooting a month ago and still going strong. Also, I do not see batt drain from adw and I have been using it for over a month.
Fyi, originally a rogers locked x10a, now unlocked, rooted and running 026 firmware. Hope that helps.. Good luck.
Sent via Swype via rooted Xperia X10a via XDA app.
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I'm not sure what to say here. I have tested battery life with and without Handcent SMS and it is definitely causing battery drain during partial wake of the Battery History information. The ADW drain may have just been circumstantial but the Handcent issue is easily replicated.
Also, the AT&T ROM is R2CA016 which would seem to be new than the R2B ROMs on other carriers. I think this may be why I get the best battery life using this ROM. I do have it decrypted for easy restore from debranding as well.
naplesbill said:
Otherwise, when you uninstall with Titanium Backup it just reinstalls them automatically.
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Not with the majority of apps it doesn't, I've only come across Creatouch and Serveme that do, everything else can be done with just Titanium.
XperiaX10iUser said:
Not with the majority of apps it doesn't, I've only come across Creatouch and Serveme that do, everything else can be done with just Titanium.
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Except on the AT&T ROM it reinstall them all.
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naplesbill said:
I'm not sure what to say here. I have tested battery life with and without Handcent SMS and it is definitely causing battery drain during partial wake of the Battery History information. The ADW drain may have just been circumstantial but the Handcent issue is easily replicated.
Also, the AT&T ROM is R2CA016 which would seem to be new than the R2B ROMs on other carriers. I think this may be why I get the best battery life using this ROM. I do have it decrypted for easy restore from debranding as well.
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Hey Bill, I was simply stating that I have not seen any battery drain with ADW installed. With Juice defender, I see over 2.20x+ battery life, which in the real world equates to about 2 days, some times a few hours over and that is a huge improvement from when I initially unlocked the phone.
As far as Handcent is concerned, I do use it, even with the figures above. I have never used anything but handcent, so I'm not sure whether I have seen a decrease, but my x10 has been fine with all the before mentioned applied. As I said earlier, I guess it all depends on your usage and apps and running processes as a whole.. I don't know. haha. Didn't want it to seem as if I were throwing you under the bus or anything, just stating my actual usage experience.
My 2 cents..
Not to hijack the thread but where should I find the original ATT ROM that you guys are talking about?
Alright, I'll try the one-click method then. Do you recommend a root file explorer, naplesbill?
Nimche said:
Not to hijack the thread but where should I find the original ATT ROM that you guys are talking about?
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If I could figure out how to get my original AT&T ROM off of my phone, you could have that!
aln688 said:
Alright, I'll try the one-click method
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It won't work, primarily because of at&ts lockdown policy on their phones...if it does work, LMK and ill give it a go!
Diesel984 said:
It won't work, primarily because of at&ts lockdown policy on their phones...if it does work, LMK and ill give it a go!
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So if that won't work, what will? Are we saying an AT&T phone cannot be rooted?
aln688 said:
So if that won't work, what will? Are we saying an AT&T phone cannot be rooted?
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Install the APP and let us know.
You will have to sideload the one-click app from the PC.
Sent from my X10a using XDA App
Jikenda said:
Hey Bill, I was simply stating that I have not seen any battery drain with ADW installed. With Juice defender, I see over 2.20x+ battery life, which in the real world equates to about 2 days, some times a few hours over and that is a huge improvement from when I initially unlocked the phone.
As far as Handcent is concerned, I do use it, even with the figures above. I have never used anything but handcent, so I'm not sure whether I have seen a decrease, but my x10 has been fine with all the before mentioned applied. As I said earlier, I guess it all depends on your usage and apps and running processes as a whole.. I don't know. haha. Didn't want it to seem as if I were throwing you under the bus or anything, just stating my actual usage experience.
My 2 cents..
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No worries. Didn't mean to make it sound like I was offended. I wasn't offended at all.
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naplesbill said:
You will have to sideload the one-click app from the PC.
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AT&T Wont allow Side Loading without root access...I Tried that one earlier this morning, and it didnt work either.
The Root tutorial that has been mentioned seems to be the best method, Although I've gotten up to the Part where it says that under the model number on the phone it should Show X10a (which mine does) Yet, apparently Im missing something because I have no Root access...SO, Hopefully, If this Rapidshare download finishes this year, I'll get back to trying it again...Could just be that I missed something in the steps...I dunno LOL!
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My x10a is currently unrooted, but what are some pros and cons of rooting it? Im sure their are several reasons to why it should be rooted, but i keep thinking that in the end i'll regret it.
Please post some good things about it, and some bad reasons for rooting. thanks
Slauney said:
My x10a is currently unrooted, but what are some pros and cons of rooting it? Im sure their are several reasons to why it should be rooted, but i keep thinking that in the end i'll regret it.
Please post some good things about it, and some bad reasons for rooting. thanks
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pro: root access
con: uh... really, there's a con?
Slauney said:
My x10a is currently unrooted, but what are some pros and cons of rooting it? Im sure their are several reasons to why it should be rooted, but i keep thinking that in the end i'll regret it.
Please post some good things about it, and some bad reasons for rooting. thanks
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PROS:
- Full control of your phone
- More apps available in Marketplace
- Remove unwanted apps
- Ability to overclock/underclock
- Tether your cell data (as a wifi hotspot or USB)
- Applications to SD Card (free up memory)
- Overall performance of phone improvement
CONS:
NON....
No OTA update once custom ROMS are available but that doesn't matter once rooted because you're gonna want to install custom ROMS created by the DEV anyway.
Well yeah, the reason why i thought i would ever regret it is because im new to this kind of stuff, so once i do it. im not going to know what to do with it. Im a newb i guess lol. Once i do it i cant go back correct?
I've noticed a problem getting protected apps from the android store. On my Rogers X10a since rooting, most things are there but a few things aren't. Hoping to solve it soon, but some apps may not be available.
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Well yeah, the reason why i thought i would ever regret it is because im new to this kind of stuff, so once i do it. im not going to know what to do with it. Im a newb i guess lol. Once i do it i cant go back correct?
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You can definitely go back to stock anytime you want. For example, I wanted to see the new ota update for rogers so I rebranded my phone back to its original firmware, and updated, now I don't have root but in about 30 minutes I'll have it again. This process can be done unlimited times.
Just a suggestion, before you try rooting it spend an evening or two doing some research and getting familiarized with the tools.
From what you are saying I would suggest waiting until there is something that you really want working on your phone that is limited by the stock rom.
Hey mate How can we install programes directely to SD Card when its rooted or is it possible to move installed applications to SD Card?
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Hey mate How can we install programes directely to SD Card when its rooted or is it possible to move installed applications to SD Card?
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Xxsashixx is working on this but so far no luck
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7037044#post7037044
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gavriel18 said:
You can definitely go back to stock anytime you want. For example, I wanted to see the new ota update for rogers so I rebranded my phone back to its original firmware, and updated, now I don't have root but in about 30 minutes I'll have it again. This process can be done unlimited times.
Just a suggestion, before you try rooting it spend an evening or two doing some research and getting familiarized with the tools.
From what you are saying I would suggest waiting until there is something that you really want working on your phone that is limited by the stock rom.
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Do you mind directing me to the Link for the original firmware for Rogers. I'm having trouble finding it in these forums. I can only seem to find Decrypted x10a ROMS and I have no idea what those are. I only want it for warranty purposes.
paulsandhu said:
Do you mind directing me to the Link for the original firmware for Rogers. I'm having trouble finding it in these forums. I can only seem to find Decrypted x10a ROMS and I have no idea what those are. I only want it for warranty purposes.
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Use the r1f014 in the decrypted roms. That one is stock rogers branded or you can repair your phone with pc companion and it will save a backup to your hard drive. Then if you need to go back to stock you repair with pcc. I didnt check but im willing to bet the new rogers fw will be there too.
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gavriel18 said:
For example, I wanted to see the new ota update for rogers so I rebranded my phone back to its original firmware, and updated, now I don't have root but in about 30 minutes I'll have it again. This process can be done unlimited times.
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Was thinking about doing this but I think the benefit of Root just outweighs being on Stock especially because of the unnecessary cr-APPS that SE installed. For me, I don't use Moxier, Timescape, etc... and they take up so much resources or space that I could use for some of more useful apps. (SetCPU, Titanium Backup, etc).
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Pro: You can get rid of that stupid blue wavy background on your settings, dialer, phone book, etc.
Con: Haven't found any yet.
cue_32 said:
PROS:
- Full control of your phone
- More apps available in Marketplace
- Remove unwanted apps
- Ability to overclock/underclock
- Tether your cell data (as a wifi hotspot or USB)
- Applications to SD Card (free up memory)
- Overall performance of phone improvement
CONS:
NON....
No OTA update once custom ROMS are available but that doesn't matter once rooted because you're gonna want to install custom ROMS created by the DEV anyway.
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What Tether WIFI application you use? I keep getting force close in it
gavriel18 said:
You can definitely go back to stock anytime you want. For example, I wanted to see the new ota update for rogers so I rebranded my phone back to its original firmware, and updated, now I don't have root but in about 30 minutes I'll have it again. This process can be done unlimited times.
Just a suggestion, before you try rooting it spend an evening or two doing some research and getting familiarized with the tools.
From what you are saying I would suggest waiting until there is something that you really want working on your phone that is limited by the stock rom.
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What kind of tools are you refering to? Just in a general idea so i dont spend a week doing research instead of a day or two lol.
And just a general question, if debranding a phone is a good thing to do... is there a reason why Ericsson didnt do it in the first place? Excuse my incompetence with rooting.
oh, someone answered the question already, sorry =p
cue_32 said:
PROS:
- Full control of your phone
- More apps available in Marketplace
- Remove unwanted apps
- Ability to overclock/underclock
- Tether your cell data (as a wifi hotspot or USB)
- Applications to SD Card (free up memory)
- Overall performance of phone improvement
CONS:
NON....
No OTA update once custom ROMS are available but that doesn't matter once rooted because you're gonna want to install custom ROMS created by the DEV anyway.
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how do we install apps to sd card ?
Shiwantha said:
What Tether WIFI application you use? I keep getting force close in it
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Barnacle.. if that's the one you use try go into your settings and enter athwlan0 in the LAN bit then press start.. ul be fine! works really well!!
Hope it helps!!
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I think the only con is the root access increase the security treat, just like the jailbreak iPhone.
Other than this, root is great, and useful
Mobzter said:
Barnacle.. if that's the one you use try go into your settings and enter athwlan0 in the LAN bit then press start.. ul be fine! works really well!!
Hope it helps!!
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No I was using something else. Thanks for the tip. Barnacle works well on my X10
My HTC Aria was stolen last night, so I'm in the market for a new phone. I was pretty happy with the Aria, but I'm checking out some other options to see if I want to stick with it or not. I have to stay with AT&T so the Atrix is on my list to check out..
1) Is the Atrix currently rootable with the latest stock AT&T ROM?
2) What are the big issues/annoyances with the Atrix (if any)?
Thanks!
1) Current version (1.83) is rootable via gingerbreak.
2) The only problem people have is that the Atrix has a locked bootloader, therefore getting something like Cyanogen on the Atrix is currently impossible.
I don't think you'll be dissapointed by this phone. It's leaps and bounds better than your Aria was. I came from Captivate and I really love it so far.
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1) Current version (1.83) is rootable via gingerbreak.
2) The only problem people have is that the Atrix has a locked bootloader, therefore getting something like Cyanogen on the Atrix is currently impossible.
I don't think you'll be dissapointed by this phone. It's leaps and bounds better than your Aria was. I came from Captivate and I really love it so far.
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I'm not sure I understand.. The phone is rootable, but you can't use a custom ROM?
So will I be able to get rid of bloatware and be able to install non-market apps? (I could live with bloatware, but there are a few non-market apps that I must have..)
ShinerDraft said:
I'm not sure I understand.. The phone is rootable, but you can't use a custom ROM?
So will I be able to get rid of bloatware and be able to install non-market apps? (I could live with bloatware, but there are a few non-market apps that I must have..)
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The phone is rootable, and you'll be able to install custom ROMs just fine. The custom ROMs will obviously get rid of the bloatware for you if they are worth their salt. Check out this thread for more information to your questions.
I must have misunderstood this:
getting something like Cyanogen on the Atrix is currently impossible.
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I thought that Cyanogen was a custom ROM..
Thanks for the help!
The Atrix is fully rootable, but the bootloader is locked. So you can still sideload apps, run the apps with root access, but you cant make drastic changes to the system like alternate/overclocked kernels. This is why Cynogenmod is not possible on the Atrix at this time. The current roms that are out for the Atrix are mostly just themes.
Do it. It is a great phone and you won't regret it.
CyanogenMod isn't the only custom ROM out there and I believe too many people forget that.
You can root and have custom ROMs like previous posters have said. And coming from an Aria, you will be severely blown away.
My big needs are Swype and EasyTether. Amazon market is also nice, but not a deal-breaker.
So if I understand correctly, Cyanogen is a custom ROM that can't be installed because the Atrix's locked bootloader prevents certain drastic changes.
Other custom ROM's do not make the drastic changes which require bootloader access, so these work fine. Do these other ROM's bypass AT&T's restrictions on apps such as the three noted above? Can these be installed like regular market apps, or do they have to be sideloaded from a PC?
Well if you enable sideloading using gladenable after you root it, you can install all the third party apps you want, without needing to use your computer.
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My big needs are Swype and EasyTether. Amazon market is also nice, but not a deal-breaker.
So if I understand correctly, Cyanogen is a custom ROM that can't be installed because the Atrix's locked bootloader prevents certain drastic changes.
Other custom ROM's do not make the drastic changes which require bootloader access, so these work fine. Do these other ROM's bypass AT&T's restrictions on apps such as the three noted above? Can these be installed like regular market apps, or do they have to be sideloaded from a PC?
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You shouldnt need to use a custom rom for your needs, but if you wanted to you'd download it on a computer and install it yourself as they wouldnt be in the android market.
All you would have to do is root, then run a script on these forums to enable sideloading and you should be good to go for installing Easytether and Amazon market. The Atrix comes with Swype pre-installed as an alternative keyboard to Motoblur's, so you get that without having to root.
All you need to know is that the phone is fast, has great battery life, and some pseudo custom roms that do everything you are looking for.
Go to the Dev section and read about Gladroot, Gladenable, and Gingerblur then purchase the phone and if you've got more questions, people will be here to help.
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All you need to know is that the phone is fast, has great battery life, and some pseudo custom roms that do everything you are looking for.
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I agree that this is a great phone, and I'm much happier leaving iOS behind, but when people say this phone has great battery life, I feel a bit confused. Does that mean that Android phones in general have worse battery life than the Atrix? I know a few people have said they get 25-30 + hours on the phone, but then again there are several threads on battery life and the general consensus seems that this is a phone that you MUST charge at night, because otherwise the next day it will be dead. 18 hours or so seems like what most people get...
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I agree that this is a great phone, and I'm much happier leaving iOS behind, but when people say this phone has great battery life, I feel a bit confused. Does that mean that Android phones in general have worse battery life than the Atrix? I know a few people have said they get 25-30 + hours on the phone, but then again there are several threads on battery life and the general consensus seems that this is a phone that you MUST charge at night, because otherwise the next day it will be dead. 18 hours or so seems like what most people get...
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I'm not a user, but in my research I found that the Atrix had a higher capacity battery (1930mA hrs) than other phones (Inspire - 1230mA hrs, Captivate - 1500mA hrs).
My experience is that battery life depended on my use more than anything else. If I played music in the car, left my data connection open most of the day, but kept bluetooth and wifi off, I could go about 1.5-2 days between charges. By not playing music and keeping my data off most of the time, I could stretch that to 3-4 days.
OK so this is like the 6th time I've rooted my device, after reading many threads / websites, etc, all saying how 'amazing' root is. Well, I'm still disappointed.
Is there anything good to use for root users?
OK theres titanium backup, but that's useless - to me - as bloatware doesn't bother me and I don't **** around with my device.
Granted, GameCih2 is good, but it rips the fun out of games after a while.
I can't seem to find any other root apps that make me think 'Damn, I'm glad I rooted my phone!' just so that I can use that app.
-Title, Thanks.
Rooting is often better when using alternate roms.
You have to root if you plan to use MIUI... and I've been thinking "damn I love my phone" ever since I flashed MIUI
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You have to root if you plan to use MIUI... and I've been thinking "damn I love my phone" ever since I flashed MIUI
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Looks VERY nice, how's the battery life though?
If you have no idea what root is, and expecting something magical to happen, maybe it's better to just leave it as it is.
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If you have no idea what root is, and expecting something magical to happen, maybe it's better to just leave it as it is.
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I know exactly what root is, I just don't see the big fuss about it.
CyanogenMod is the big fuss lol
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Yeah, you don't "**** around with your device" so overclocking, kernels, radios, and roms are not really for you.
Adfree, TB, ROM manager, root explorer, cache cleaner, etc. The list goes on.. Superuser only.
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I know exactly what root is, I just don't see the big fuss about it.
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If you'd knew you wouldn't start threads like this. You're like a guy who buys a lawnmower just because everyone says how awesome they are, but you live in a flat. So you just store your lawnmower in the living room, and have no use for it. If you don't need root, don't root. Many of us need it for certain things we do with our phones. It's not because all the cool kids have it, so we have it also.
Likewise root ls required to carry out certain tasks.
SGS newbies seem to root phone just because rather than as a tool required .
jje
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okmijnlp said:
OK so this is like the 6th time I've rooted my device, after reading many threads / websites, etc, all saying how 'amazing' root is. Well, I'm still disappointed.
Is there anything good to use for root users?
OK theres titanium backup, but that's useless - to me - as bloatware doesn't bother me and I don't **** around with my device.
-Title, Thanks.
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The person that is happy with the device the way it came out of the box has no reason to root. I would think the average XDA member is not that user. The ability to have as much control of your device as possible is what root enables. For instance Titanium Backup allows me to backup my apps so when things go wrong I can restore my device much quicker without re-downloading every app.
Rooting allows the installation of Clockwork or Streakmod recovery which enable Nandroid backups of the entire system. Then to me the ultimate reason to root is to experience custom ROM's. These developers that take it upon themselves to improve the operating systems that run the devices are incredible. Doing things the billion dollar corporations can't or won't do to make the devices perform to the utmost of their abilities. This is not of course for people that don't f73k around with their devices. You have wasted you time 6 times.
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... You're like a guy who buys a lawnmower just because everyone says how awesome they are, but you live in a flat. So you just store your lawnmower in the living room, and have no use for it...
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LMAO. Brilliant analogy. Not exactly accurate. But amusingly random and gets the point across...
flashing....
RicoonDK said:
You have to root if you plan to use MIUI... and I've been thinking "damn I love my phone" ever since I flashed MIUI
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I loved my HD2 running hyperdroid. But i just got a Galaxy s2 and Im not impressed with (stock) device. I swear the streaming video was clearer, the wifi reception better, and internet was faster on my rooted HD2 than a stock Galaxys2.
After your flash, are these the kind of things that were improved? I cant even remember how my WM HD2 compared in these areas to my android HD2.
First off, I would like to say that I have been actively reading and searching the web for information on these topics and I have found many different sources and answers.
The reason why I am still starting a new threat about this is because I am completely new to the 'development'/modifying spectrum of my phone. And while many of the threats give accurate descriptions on how to root it or what to use, I still am left with many noobi blanks on this topic.
1. Rooting, what exactly are the benefits and what will be altered if I decide to root my device?
2. Is it worth it to root my phone? What's the major benefits and new things I will be able to do? And are there any problems or dangers I need to be aware of? (I've been using it for almost a year without doing so) Also, is there a way I could backup my current files and data and then place it back on the rooted device?
3. I've read about ways of rooting in which the kernel will be altered and about some in which it won't even be touched. So, what is the, let me put it bluntly, 'best' rooting technique/way to go with?
Thank you for any help possible on this topic!
Read the Stickies and thread FAQ's first!
Here's two ;
[REF] Guide to the Galaxy S II and Android (04/10/11)
FAQS/Guide/Additional Info For Rooting S2 - High level summary
Should get you started
UpInTheAir said:
Read the Stickies and thread FAQ's first!
Here's two ;
[REF] Guide to the Galaxy S II and Android (04/10/11)
FAQS/Guide/Additional Info For Rooting S2 - High level summary
Should get you started
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Wow I can't believe I've missed these two! Will read them right away!
Thank you for the quick help!
Any other help and opinions/experiences are still greatly appreciated!
If you don't know why or don't even have an app that requires root then its not needed at all .
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JJEgan said:
If you don't know why or don't even have an app that requires root then its not needed at all .
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Well that was one of my many blanks. I know many friends who rooted their phones, but not for what exactly besides having different themes or the 'toiletpaper' scrolling in the menue section.
What kind of apps require rooting then?
I do want to start 'playing' around with my phone a bit more to use it to it's full potential, including overclocking for instance.
Mr__KJ said:
Well that was one of my many blanks. I know many friends who rooted their phones, but not for what exactly besides having different themes or the 'toiletpaper' scrolling in the menue section.
What kind of apps require rooting then?
I do want to start 'playing' around with my phone a bit more to use it to it's full potential, including overclocking for instance.
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No shame in asking this question. Before I rooted my phone I spent a few weeks lurking on this forum, and constantly asking a friend with a 'droid phone about what is it - eventually the true power comes to you when you root and see for yourself. But one of the rooting "landmarks" are
- backing and restoring your applications via Titanium Backup
- Undervolting/Underclocking or overclocking and tweaking your phone (therefore gaining some more battery life/performance)
- use of various plugins such as Chainfire3D + CF.Lumen (you can buy&play games not initially intended for S2 and improve your night time use with the latter)
- many more cool things that you will find out for yourself
hope it gave you a little insight about the power you unleash.
AJ.Rockwell said:
No shame in asking this question. Before I rooted my phone I spent a few weeks lurking on this forum, and constantly asking a friend with a 'droid phone about what is it - eventually the true power comes to you when you root and see for yourself. But one of the rooting "landmarks" are
- backing and restoring your applications via Titanium Backup
- Undervolting/Underclocking or overclocking and tweaking your phone (therefore gaining some more battery life/performance)
- use of various plugins such as Chainfire3D + CF.Lumen (you can buy&play games not initially intended for S2 and improve your night time use with the latter)
- many more cool things that you will find out for yourself
hope it gave you a little insight about the power you unleash.
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Thanks for the quick insight and info!
-So is there actually no way in the current unrooted state to do these backups? I've been looking around for quite a while now for backing up my phone's content. Besides Kies that doesn't even cover everything I've come up empty. And how I could back up my conversations for instance (if that is even possible), but I haven't found anything on that matter.
- This is one of the aspects I was most interested in, at first of course only for the overclocking aspect, but then I read about the battery saving as well. Is there an easy way to switch back and forth between running the phone overclocked and underclocked?
Yep it indeed did!
Mr__KJ said:
Thanks for the quick insight and info!
-So is there actually no way in the current unrooted state to do these backups? I've been looking around for quite a while now for backing up my phone's content. Besides Kies that doesn't even cover everything I've come up empty.
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No, you cannot back up app data without root.
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And how I could back up my conversations for instance (if that is even possible), but I haven't found anything on that matter.
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If by conversations you mean your SMS, you CAN back up and restore SMS withOUT root using one of several apps. I use SMS Backup+; it backs SMS and MMS messages to your GMail account, and can restore SMS. It cannot restore MMS as of yet though.
Mr__KJ said:
- This is one of the aspects I was most interested in, at first of course only for the overclocking aspect, but then I read about the battery saving as well. Is there an easy way to switch back and forth between running the phone overclocked and underclocked?
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You can use SetCPU to create profiles based on what state the phone is in, such as screen on/off.
It looks more and more like I will root my phone right away as soon as I get the chance to sit down and do it!!
Thanks for clarifying those questions!
Yes I did mean my SMS and MMS conversations. Downloading that app right away
That sounds like an app I will definitely get then as soon as I get my phone rooted!
One last question for you though, do you happen to know what the 'dangers' are regarding phone/battery life when constantly switching CPU profiles?
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It looks more and more like I will root my phone right away as soon as I get the chance to sit down and do it!!
Thanks for clarifying those questions!
Yes I did mean my SMS and MMS conversations. Downloading that app right away
That sounds like an app I will definitely get then as soon as I get my phone rooted!
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Um, I said you DON'T need root for that app (SMS Backup+)....? Or were you talking about SetCPU? (which you DO need root)
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One last question for you though, do you happen to know what the 'dangers' str regarding phone/battery life when constantly switching CPU profiles?
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There's always a danger when creating CPU profiles. Especially if you mess with the voltages assigned to each frequency. Just make sure you back your phone up before you mess with that stuff, so you have something to fall back to in case your tweaking causes the phone to not boot properly.
ctomgee said:
Um, I said you DON'T need root for that app (SMS Backup+)....? Or were you talking about SetCPU? (which you DO need root)
There's always a danger when creating CPU profiles. Especially if you mess with the voltages assigned to each frequency. Just make sure you back your phone up before you mess with that stuff, so you have something to fall back to in case your tweaking causes the phone to not boot properly.
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I was talking about getting the SMS Backup + right away, which I already did.
And about the SetCPU as soon as I get my phone rooted.
Alright, yes backups are always an important thing to do. So we are talking more of software dangers though (not booting up correctly, stuff messing up or not launching, crashes etc.) rather than any hardware damage that could be caused?
Also, is there by any chance anyone who has a rooted Galaxy SII and can tell me some specific improvements about it compared to the unrooted version?
Mr__KJ said:
Also, is there by any chance anyone who has a rooted Galaxy SII and can tell me some specific improvements about it compared to the unrooted version?
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Root won't improve anything on its own. Perhaps you should read some more about root and what it means before you go down this road.
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Root won't improve anything on its own. Perhaps you should read some more about root and what it means before you go down this road.
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Oh now that I reread that I see what you mean. I am aware that the rooting it's self will not improve/worsen the performance of the phone or anything else.
I more meant what kind of improvements can be made as soon as the device is rooted. Eg. the CPU tweaks and additional energy consumption differences and applications that can be run on the rooted device etc. and how these compare to the possibilites that one has with the stock phone.
Sorry for the confusion!
There are far too many variables involved to give you an idea of the things you're asking. These will depend on the kernel you use, how you use the phone, how you set it up, under/overclocking/volting, and a bunch of other things.
You're only going to find out by actually doing.
But in saying that, I would advise against anything until you understand exactly what it is you want to do & how to do it. Doing so could save at least a few days trying to figure out how to fix a soft bricked phone, or ending up with a 130-odd gram paperweight at worst.
Mr__KJ said:
I more meant what kind of improvements can be made as soon as the device is rooted. Eg. the CPU tweaks and additional energy consumption differences and applications that can be run on the rooted device etc. and how these compare to the possibilites that one has with the stock phone.
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Hi, I've read this thread with interest, as when I got my sgs2 I didn't know that rooting was even possible! Another guy on my office got the same phone though, and asked if I was planning on rooting my phone. I guess I first did it with my eyes pretty well closed, but was lucky that everything went well.
One thing I would say is that I get much better battery life as there is endless scope for changing roms and kernels until you are happy. I've now upgraded to XXLPB on Simplistic Rom and am really happy. Great battery life and smooth performance, so no complaints. If I were you I would go for it, but make sure you do your research first!
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MistahBungle said:
There are far too many variables involved to give you an idea of the things you're asking. These will depend on the kernel you use, how you use the phone, how you set it up, under/overclocking/volting, and a bunch of other things.
You're only going to find out by actually doing.
But in saying that, I would advise against anything until you understand exactly what it is you want to do & how to do it. Doing so could save at least a few days trying to figure out how to fix a soft bricked phone, or ending up with a 130-odd gram paperweight at worst.
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Thanks, you saying that helps me to see the many different ways in which I will be able to customize my phone if i root it.
Of course, I will not risk getting such an expensive paper weight! haha
anguscmac said:
Hi, I've read this thread with interest, as when I got my sgs2 I didn't know that rooting was even possible! Another guy on my office got the same phone though, and asked if I was planning on rooting my phone. I guess I first did it with my eyes pretty well closed, but was lucky that everything went well.
One thing I would say is that I get much better battery life as there is endless scope for changing roms and kernels until you are happy. I've now upgraded to XXLPB on Simplistic Rom and am really happy. Great battery life and smooth performance, so no complaints. If I were you I would go for it, but make sure you do your research first!
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You've got me convinced Rooting as soon as I get desktop access!!
Wow that sounds amazing! I'm looking forward to playing around with the different ROM's and kernels
Thank you everybody for the quick help in finding ways to root my phone and helping me answer all my questions so thoroughly!!
Keep it up community!!
Mr__KJ said:
Thanks, you saying that helps me to see the many different ways in which I will be able to customize my phone if i root it.
Of course, I will not risk getting such an expensive paper weight! haha
You've got me convinced Rooting as soon as I get desktop access!!
Wow that sounds amazing! I'm looking forward to playing around with the different ROM's and kernels
Thank you everybody for the quick help in finding ways to root my phone and helping me answer all my questions so thoroughly!!
Keep it up community!!
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Give this a try for all the links need to root and the process - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1488496
Mr__KJ said:
Thanks, you saying that helps me to see the many different ways in which I will be able to customize my phone if i root it.
Of course, I will not risk getting such an expensive paper weight! haha
You've got me convinced Rooting as soon as I get desktop access!!
Wow that sounds amazing! I'm looking forward to playing around with the different ROM's and kernels
Thank you everybody for the quick help in finding ways to root my phone and helping me answer all my questions so thoroughly!!
Keep it up community!!
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Hey good luck and have fun
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I just got my phone and most of the time when receiving a email I'll pull down the menu and it keeps going back up automatically. After trying like 3 times it finally stays down. Does anyone else has this issue?
Not to insult your intelligence or anything but are you pulling the bar all the way down? When I was on GB if I didn't pull it all the way down it'd wonk out on me and shoot back up if I did it too fast.
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I had the same issue on GB. I head to drag it almost all the way down to the bottom of the screen. Now on ICS I can just flick the bar downwards and it does the rest.
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ChocolateSnow said:
Not to insult your intelligence or anything but are you pulling the bar all the way down? When I was on GB if I didn't pull it all the way down it'd wonk out on me and shoot back up if I did it too fast.
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Yes I pull it all the way down like 3 times then if lucky it will stay down. After reading emails the pull down menu works fine.The work arounds I found is to put my finger at the top of screen and quickly flick downward then it will stay. With my old phone using it's default rom and Cyanogenmod 7, this never happend. The second work around is to use a small app called, One Click Status Bar. Place it on the home screen and when it's tapped the menu drops down.
clay101eve said:
I had the same issue on GB. I head to drag it almost all the way down to the bottom of the screen. Now on ICS I can just flick the bar downwards and it does the rest.
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Your phone must be rooted to have ICS. I'm debating on doing this because I like using CyanogenMod. One of the problems with rooted phones is that the market doesn't recognize the phone and paid apps disappear and it force closes alot.
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Your phone must be rooted to have ICS. I'm debating on doing this because I like using CyanogenMod. One of the problems with rooted phones is that the market doesn't recognize the phone and paid apps disappear and it force closes alot.
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I flash around a lot usually spending about a couple weeks on different Roms to test and compare features and I can say I never had a problem with Google play ever recognizing any of my paid apps.
The force closes on the other hand do happen, but very rarely if you run a good rom, and don't do anything you're not supposed to
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gods_archangel said:
Your phone must be rooted to have ICS. I'm debating on doing this because I like using CyanogenMod. One of the problems with rooted phones is that the market doesn't recognize the phone and paid apps disappear and it force closes alot.
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I respect your opinion, but I've been flashing custom roms for quite a while and have never had problems with market /playstore not recognizing or not letting me install unless of course I modified the DPI or something. Andbim afraid I don't know what u mean by paid apps disappearing.
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gods_archangel said:
Your phone must be rooted to have ICS. I'm debating on doing this because I like using CyanogenMod. One of the problems with rooted phones is that the market doesn't recognize the phone and paid apps disappear and it force closes alot.
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I'm rooted and running ics. I have yet to experience any of that. No fc's and no disappearing paid apps
Phalanx7621 said:
I respect your opinion, but I've been flashing custom roms for quite a while and have never had problems with market /playstore not recognizing or not letting me install unless of course I modified the DPI or something. Andbim afraid I don't know what u mean by paid apps disappearing.
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When a phone is rooted the Google server no longer knows what device is being used. You can check this out by logging into Google wallet and look under your device list. You'll also notice that some apps show up for different os like with gingerbread and some don't for ics. After rooting the server doesn't know what apps work with the phone and at times makes some of your paid apps disappear and preventing potential future downloads.
gods_archangel said:
When a phone is rooted the Google server no longer knows what device is being used. You can check this out by logging into Google wallet and look under your device list. You'll also notice that some apps show up for different os like with gingerbread and some don't for ics. After rooting the server doesn't know what apps work with the phone and at times makes some of your paid apps disappear and preventing potential future downloads.
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Wrong. Learn android before trying to tell something to those that know.
want proof of one. heres my screenshot in the attachment. I've never ran a stock phone. ever.
Not sure why its so small :/
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I'm rooted and running ics. I have yet to experience any of that. No fc's and no disappearing paid apps
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I have almost 300 paid apps and had lots of problems with market in the past. Rooted phones has known issues with the market, apps and force closing. Call Google customer service and they will explain.
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I have almost 300 paid apps and had lots of problems with market in the past. Rooted phones has known issues with the market, apps and force closing. Call Google customer service and they will explain.
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you sir, have issues that most do not. your obviously not capable of using this site.
i have never had an issue with market that I did not cause. FC's are casued by apps not meant for your device or the ROM your running.
You want to argue with people that flash **** almost daily? go call google again, and quit wasting space in our forums
O and if your on stock, what did you expect to get for help by posting an issue with a stock ROM?
Call samsung
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Wrong. Learn android before trying to tell something to those that know.
want proof of one. heres my screenshot in the attachment. I've never ran a stock phone. ever.
Not sure why its so small :/
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No need to be rude. Just because you never had a problem doesn't mean no one will besides I'll have you know that I installed many roms and no android. Thank you!!!
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No need to be rude. Just because you never had a problem doesn't mean no one will besides I'll have you know that I installed many roms and no android. Thank you!!!
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I was not being rude, you are being incompetent.
4 million members on this site, you really think that rooting a phone breaks ****?
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you sir, have issues that most do not. your obviously not capable of using this site.
i have never had an issue with market that I did not cause. FC's are casued by apps not meant for your device or the ROM your running.
You want to argue with people that flash **** almost daily? go call google again, and quit wasting space in our forums
O and if your on stock, what did you expect to get for help by posting an issue with a stock ROM?
Call samsung
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Who's having a argument, were just talking. You didn't have to answer my post and you can simply leave.
MotoMudder77 said:
I was not being rude, you are being incompetent.
4 million members on this site, you really think that rooting a phone breaks ****?
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Why call me the word incompetent? You can drop the words (was not) and use, wasn't.
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Why call me the word incompetent? You can drop the words (was not) and use, wasn't.
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Very true, I apologize. But you must realize that this site EXISTS for the simple idea that we, the members of it(evidently not all of them), do not want our phones stock.
The only support you'll get from a stock ROM, is from the at&t store.
and the "was not" was meant that way. I feel its a stronger form of the word rather than wasn't
This discussion got troublesome and way, way off topic.
But the bottom line is man, if you want to stay stock, there's really nothing we can do, other than advise to wipe data/factory reset via 3e recovery.
What you may have thought you knew about issues that come by rooting your phone, are maybe 1 in a 100, and most likely caused by the person themselves.
There are a few ROM's that are based on at&t "official" leaks. but there rooted.
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I have almost 300 paid apps and had lots of problems with market in the past. Rooted phones has known issues with the market, apps and force closing. Call Google customer service and they will explain.
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I think you may be confusing some of your facts. That may hold true for some unbranded chinese tablets running ICS. Those ROMs have to operate as a brand name "something else" just to get market to recognize the device.
The same is not true with our phones. Root away! The issues you're concerned about do not exist on name brand android devices.