i have read some threads about the nandroid backup, even the stickies. but i'm still confused about it. so i just want to ask things about it.
if i want to flash from JI6 to another custom rom, they are saying that i should do a back up first, what will the back up do? save my applications, contacts? or will the back up get the phone to the JI6 when the phone get's bricked?
A backup basically is an image of your phone as it is when you perform the backup. It saves your apps, contacts, everything. It wont work all the time however, if you royally screw up a flash or something along those lines you will have to use Odin to reflash firmware and start from scratch. You will notice that in probably every kernel, rom and theme post they strongly urge you to make a backup in case something goes wrong.
what if i don't care about the applications, contacts and files inside the my phone. like it's ok for me to start from a stock vibrant. i don't have to do a backup? can i just flash the phone straight away?
You dont HAVE to do a back up but its highly recommended in case something you do goes wrong. If you dont care about loss of apps and stuff educate yourself on how to use Odin, its great. When I started getting into a flashing frenzy Odin has saved me countless times.
I know how to use the odin. what I don't know is if it's really a must to do a backup when flashing the phone.
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No, its not a requirement.
that's the one I wanted to know. thanks! I just hope my phone doesn't get bricked.
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I did a nandroid backup of stock JI6 with OCLF and tried BionixFINAL_STOCK.zip. I wanted to go back to my JI6 but the restore didn’t work. I think there is a different in kernels. Is there anyway to do a backup of everything so that the nandroid restore would work? I can still go back to JI6 using Odin but prefer to do without a computer. Your help is greatly appreciated.
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This may be a newb-ish question, but I was wondering if it's possible and how to make a backup (including kernel) with odin. If not, how would one go about doing so? I have a very nice setup right now with a custom kernel and a heavily modified stock rom that I don't want to lose, but I also want to try out the voodoo lag fix with ext4.
EDIT: If this has been addressed somewhere else, please post a link for me. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Use ROMmanager is has option to backup ROM you can download from the market.
It save your backup image to your internal SD card.
It also comes with clockwork recovery.
some info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734164
demo23019 said:
Use ROMmanager is has option to backup ROM you can download from the market.
It save your backup image to your internal SD card.
It also comes with clockwork recovery.
some info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734164
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My understanding is that rom manager does not backup the kernel. What I really want is a way to create a full backup of my entire phone, not just the rom and apps/settings/etc. It seems to me that odin should be capable of such functionality.
I heard once kernel is on it's on for good and independent of rom somehow.. so only way to get rid of kernel is by pushing it out with another- you should be fine with it, just back up your rom in clockwork
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My understanding is that rom manager does not backup the kernel.
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i missed that in your post but yea it doesnt back it up
This is great and all, but I really want a full system dump that I can flash back to my phone when those OH **** moments happen. Kernel and all. I just got odin working, and I really like the idea of being able to load up a full system backup and being back to where I am right now in a matter of minutes.
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This is great and all, but I really want a full system dump that I can flash back to my phone when those OH **** moments happen. Kernel and all. I just got odin working, and I really like the idea of being able to load up a full system backup and being back to where I am right now in a matter of minutes.
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I don't know of anyway to do what you want to do. Best thing I could say is do a Nandroid back up, that would take care of everything but your kernal. If you screw something up just flash back to stock with odin, flash the rom you were using then restore with nandroid.
This is why questions get posted in the dev section. Devs (AKA the people who know this ****) don't read the q&a section.
Go post it in developer section just make note that you searched and tried asking in Q&A and got no answer.... so you dont get reamed
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I just got odin working, and I really like the idea of being able to load up a full system backup and being back to where I am right now in a matter of minutes.
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I can see asking just to have some learning experience with Odin but seriously dont see how backing up everything with Odin is any faster/better than nandroid.
For one restoring with Odin requires you to be hooked up to PC. Nandroid restore can be done from your phone with backup from internal SD card and it takes mins to restore. And you can store your favorite kernel .zip file on internal SD as well and takes like 5 secs to flash.
I rarely, if ever, find myself tinkering with roms and such unless I'm at my computer, and I do keep nandroid backups, but I like the idea of having a comprehensive backup that I can load up and flash quickly. I actually find flashing with odin to be substantially faster than nandroid.
I know we all get to messing around trying to add "cool new feature x" and next thing you know something is hosed. This, to me is why a custom odin backup would be ideal.
I think I will go ahead and ask in the dev section, but thank you guys for the suggestions. Like I said, any help is appreciated.
So i factory reset my phone (on stock), made a nandroid backup, then flashed one of bionix's roms. a couple days later i want to try another rom so i went into rom manager and chose to restore and picked the backup that i made earlier while on stock. It completed the restore process and went back to the clockworkmod recovery screen, then i chose reboot. now the phone sticks at the vibrant screen, but makes the bootup sound. weird huh? do i have to use odin? or is there somehow i can still restore using clockworkmod. i am able to still get into recovery btw . if the only way to fix is thru odin, can someone link a current post with instructions? thanks peeps.
BTW i was on JI6 when backing up, and i read fusion 1.1 runs on JI2 so......help?
Feel free anyone to correct me since I'm also fairly new at this, but it sounds like you may have soft bricked your phone. The way I understand it is that you needed to flash back to a stock kernel before restoring your stock ROM backup.
Getting back to a stock kernel can be done by either flashing a ROM that uses/applies it (they usually state what kernel they're using), or just flashing the stock kernel yourself, which can be downloaded here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733792
Anyway, here is a thread that explains ODIN: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=810130
Good luck! I fear I'll be in your shoes at some point, so hopefully I helped a little.
So i'm pretty noob with all this stuff but i finally decided to try flashing my phone and, in the end, ended up with a "bricked" (or the extent a vibrant can be bricked) phone. Thanks in advance for the advice.
what i did
I followed the flashing guide in the sticky post "** GUIDE - TIPS - TRICKS ** Last Update 12/03/10 ** READ BEFORE ASKING" and everything worked great. I downloaded Rom manager, made a nandroid backup of my stock rom, flashed it with bionix fusion and everything worked great. I didn't do the titanium backup and there was an app that i needed to use the next day so on the way to work, i decided to restore back to the stock thinking that i could go back for the day, use the apps that i needed and when i got home got home, back up my apps with titanium back up and restore again back to the bionix fusion. So i did that. I went to rom manager and I first backed up my bionix fusion rom and then tried to recover my stock rom. When the phone restarted, it didn't go past the vibrant/samsung screen.
The question...
what went wrong? based on some reading i think it has something to do with the kernel but i'm not really sure.
but the real question is, how do i avoid from this happening again? did i do the recovery wrong? what's the best way to unbrick my phone back to stock without losing any data on the phone. is it possible????
at this point, i can go into download mode. what should be my next move?
Thank you again if you can provide any insight.
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So looking at some posts, I looks like I need to flash the stock kernel. can anyone tell me how to flash just the kernel using odin? I've never used it and I can't seem to find anything on flashing just the kernel. Thank you.
Problem SOLVED!
ok. not completely solved T_T.
What i've done.
I've flashed back to stock vibrant firmware and that works fine. When i try to restore my nandroid backup, and it reboots, I get stuck back to the same place i was. I made two nandroid backups and tried them both but neither of them work. am i doing it wrong? I have even re-rooted my vibrant and downloaded rom manager again and tried it through there and still get the problem. have tried it about 4 times now with no luck.
Again, any help is appreciated.
Nandroid doesnt replace the kernal
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Exactly, nandroid doesn't replace the kernel. If you want to run a nandroid restore, you have to either flash the rom the nandroid was created on, then restore (safest imho), or flash a compatible kernel for the rom from which your nandroid was created, then run your nandroid restore.
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Pretty sure this was in the sticky too
I had zero problems when rooting and flashing my G1, but now with my Vibrant I am not sure what I did.
A few excellent stickies at the top but I seem to not be making any progress.
Here are the steps I took.
I had a stock Vibrant running 2.1
I downloaded ROM Manager, installed clockwork mod.
Did a backup of my current system ( was I supposed to do a clockwork AND nandroid?)
Downloaded and successfully installed a ROM called Blackhole 1.0
it runs ok but didn't give me the option to switch from 3G to EDGE data, and then I couldn't get internet access at all so i decided to restore my original stock vibrant system.
So I rebooted into recovery, selected restore (my phone won't go into recovery anymore for some reason) and waited, it took a while, then I rebooted (forgot to wipe), but it just got stuck on the Vibrant screen. So I booted into recovery mode again and wiped just user data not cache and rebooted, same thing stuck at Vibrant.
Now i keep hearing about something called ODIN, what I can tell it is some kind of flasher program for ROMS, nobody seems to give any kind of link or anything, is it greymarket or something?
So where am I now? I think the excellent noob guide needs to be updated a bit more.
My phone can get into download mode (whatever it is for i don't know) but it won't get into recovery mode anymore.
Everything you need is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=771111
i think what happened to you is you flashed a 2.2 ROM then tried to revert back to 2.1 without doing the proper downgrading steps i.e. you did not flash a 2.1 kernel first.
but since you can get to download mode.. just flash stock JFD or JI6 through ODIN and you should be good.
good luck
Once you get back to stock don't give up on the 2.2 toms. Try axura or nero. They might have a few minor bugs but its way better then stock 2.1.
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I have done the samething as you, coming from a nexus one it seemed easier to flash roms without worrying about downgrading kernels or what not. Recently I was on Nero froyo and flashed to a different rom, and tried to revert back but ended up stuck at the vibrant screen. Think it has something to do with voodoo lag.
Anyways I had to use Odin with the no brick froyo off ebproductions. Ran that and uploaded clockwork, reinstalled voodoo lag fix and was able to nandroid back to my Nero set up. Somewhat of a pain but once you've done it, no need to worry about bricking
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Everything you need is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=771111
i think what happened to you is you flashed a 2.2 ROM then tried to revert back to 2.1 without doing the proper downgrading steps i.e. you did not flash a 2.1 kernel first.
but since you can get to download mode.. just flash stock JFD or JI6 through ODIN and you should be good.
good luck
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So the steps that are in this page?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734475
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Once you get back to stock don't give up on the 2.2 toms. Try axura or nero. They might have a few minor bugs but its way better then stock 2.1.
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Well as long as I can use Odin if I f-up royally like above then I might give it a shot.
Need to read about downgrading kernals or whatever. Might just wait for Cyanogen 6.1
Just so you know, the backup utility in Rom Manager (clockwork) is really just shortcut to a nandroid backup.
The way I have things set up for backups, and this is just for my personal convenience, is as follows...
I have a stock JFD ODIN rom to flash in case anything goes wrong. (A lot of people here will tell you to flash this whenever flashing a new rom. It is safer, and cleaner to do it this way, but not absolutely necessary)
I make a nandroid of my last stable rom (I only keep one at a time cause the files are huge) and keep a backup of that on my PC.
I backup all my apps and a few other things (call logs, bookmarks, sms) through Titanium backup. If you get the pro version, you can load it up after flashing a new rom and have it automatically restore all your apps in one click (system settings can be dangerous to restore when going from rom to rom, so be careful with those.) I also keep a backup of this on my PC.
I will also occasionally backup both of the sd cards to the PC.
Maybe overkill, but you probably wont ever lose anything forever.
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Just so you know, the backup utility in Rom Manager (clockwork) is really just shortcut to a nandroid backup.
The way I have things set up for backups, and this is just for my personal convenience, is as follows...
I have a stock JFD ODIN rom to flash in case anything goes wrong. (A lot of people here will tell you to flash this whenever flashing a new rom. It is safer, and cleaner to do it this way, but not absolutely necessary)
I make a nandroid of my last stable rom (I only keep one at a time cause the files are huge) and keep a backup of that on my PC.
I backup all my apps and a few other things (call logs, bookmarks, sms) through Titanium backup. If you get the pro version, you can load it up after flashing a new rom and have it automatically restore all your apps in one click (system settings can be dangerous to restore when going from rom to rom, so be careful with those.) I also keep a backup of this on my PC.
I will also occasionally backup both of the sd cards to the PC.
Maybe overkill, but you probably wont ever lose anything forever.
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OK I will just do the long way from now on. I use this phone on AT&T, I was worried that I flushed $500 down the toilet but ever since i modded my first phone way back in the day i've been addicted.
Running Odin and my phone is in download mode, about to flash this b**ch.
wish me luck.
I flashed Odin on my phone to revert to stock. Re-Rooted it but now I can't flash Clockworkmod. Please help D:
use the update.zip posted here. You want B.
Hey guys,
Wanted to get a sure answer.
Whats the safest way to restore back to the stock firmware fro CM10 (or any rom in general).
There are two answers that i seem to have come across.
Answer 1:
Just download the stock firmware. Extract tar. Load onto PDA, check auto reset the flash reset and then start. Boom done! Everything reverts to stock, modem, firmware, kernel, etc.
Answer 2:
YOU MUST first flash stock kernel. So flash that first via odin then open odin again and flash the rom. If you don't flash the stock kernel first and then just flash the stock firmware, you'll have some issues.
As you can see, both are a bit contradicting. Whats the right method?
You missed one.
Make a nandroid of your stock ROM. then once you're done checking out CM or whatever else, just restore that. A lot less headache.
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You missed one.
Make a nandroid of your stock ROM. then once you're done checking out CM or whatever else, just restore that. A lot less headache.
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Yep, nandroid is much much faster. In fact I went to lunch today and restored my CM10 nandroid to show a friend. 10 minutes later I was back to my Samsung ROM. Its much easier than flashing stock, then re-rooting, then loading all your apps and data back on.
I had heard that nandroid restores between stock/CM9/CM10 were causing bugs, or something of the sort.
If it really is working that easily, I might have to give these CM9/CM10 builds a try. I just didn't want to play around with it for a bit and then be forced to set up my stock configuration all again, because I do have a need for a certain level of stability.
Edit: Ah, I was thinking of our Verizon version however. I think it might require an Odin flash back to stock, then you can restore a stock nandroid backup.
While I can't guarantee you won't have problems, I can say that I haven't had any issues while restoring nandroids.
*your experience may differ.
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What version of CWM or TWRP is working fine for nandroid backup and restore, specially for Tmo version?
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