HI All
Now we have time to play with our new phones, what do you guys think of the screen and most importantly the sub pixel count , what a difference that has made
For a long time the screen res has ment a lot to me as I wanted a phone with a high res display like the iphone 4 for but without the constraints of Itunes.
Now I feel Samsung have done done them self proud, even the Apple fanboys at Engadget gave it SG2 a very good review.
but what do u guys think ..
does it look sharp....
are the colours amazing
when u zoom in does the text look sharp
have u compared it to an Iphone 4 screen and said... yeah mine looks better( the phone nothing else )
does the adjustment of the colour ( Backgrounf Effect) make the colours look more realistic and not the oversaturated look as befor on the SGS
Please read and comment as I love my screen on the SG2 and think Iphone 4's screen is amazing and a quite a high benchmark to beat and has it been beaten or SG2 needs improvments
the great wizard said:
HI All
Now we have time to play with our new phones, what do you guys think of the screen and most importantly the sub pixel count , what a difference that has made
For a long time the screen res has ment a lot to me as I wanted a phone with a high res display like the iphone 4 for but without the constraints of Itunes.
Now I feel Samsung have done done them self proud, even the Apple fanboys at Engadget gave it SG2 a very good review.
but what do u guys think ..
does it look sharp....
are the colours amazing
when u zoom in does the text look sharp
have u compared it to an Iphone 4 screen and said... yeah mine looks better( the phone nothing else )
does the adjustment of the colour ( Backgrounf Effect) make the colours look more realistic and not the oversaturated look as befor on the SGS
Please read and comment as I love my screen on the SG2 and think Iphone 4's screen is amazing and a quite a high benchmark to beat and has it been beaten or SG2 needs improvments
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I'd say this is good, retina better, but 720 & 1080p as some people are asking for is totally over kill. Do pixels really bother you that much?
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Slightly brighter than my SGS 1 .
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iPhones screen is better, and video is clearer on iPhone 4 because of the screen. but this is still the second best screen in my eyes.
if res is everything to you get the gs3 when it comes out, it should have 300dpi screen, so iPhone won't have any advantages left in it's pockets.
root and change dpi size to 182
It will look awesome.
NIK516 said:
iPhones screen is better, and video is clearer on iPhone 4 because of the screen. but this is still the second best screen in my eyes.
if res is everything to you get the gs3 when it comes out, it should have 300dpi screen, so iPhone won't have any advantages left in it's pockets.
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Videos dont look better on the iPhone for a number of reasons, the main one being the puny size of its screen. For a start its too small, its also the wrong shape making anything you play either letterbox badly or crop. The iPhone also cant handle high bitrate HD MKV movies like the SGS2 can.
Its not all about resolution with screens. I think as a package the SGS2 screen beats the Retina.
rovex said:
Videos dont look better on the iPhone for a number of reasons, the main one being the puny size of its screen. For a start its too small, its also the wrong shape making anything you play either letterbox badly or crop. The iPhone also cant handle high bitrate HD MKV movies like the SGS2 can.
Its not all about resolution with screens. I think as a package the SGS2 screen beats the Retina.
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agreed! the native support for avi, mkv etc and the vivid nature of omled is brilliant.
Just wondering...else I have to convert to 480p
Yes it supports 720p (and 1080p) movies.
you guys have to always remember that what it supports and what it can do flawlessly are two separate things....
720p videos films are playable but not the smoothest.
actually,For me,720p and 1080p vids played quite smoothly (maybe a tad slower than my iphone4 but nothing notable really)
Interesting, I didn't even try 720p. Good to know it works, but really it generally would be worth your time to convert. Huge waste of space if you don't plan on deleting it right after viewing.
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Interesting, I didn't even try 720p. Good to know it works, but really it generally would be worth your time to convert. Huge waste of space if you don't plan on deleting it right after viewing.
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Yup I had to convert a 2.5 gb vid from avi to mp4 and it was about 3.7gb
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Yup I had to convert a 2.5 gb vid from avi to mp4 and it was about 3.7gb
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I assume you used Zune to convert it, if the end file ended up being bigger than the original.
A properly transcoded video would be significantly smaller: a 720p video has 921600 pixels per frame, as opposed to the resolution of our Titans; 480x800. A wvga video only needs 384000 pixels per frame. Therefore a 720p video is roughly 2.4x larger than it needs to be as our screens cannot display pixels it doesn't have (and that's not even taking bit rate into account). The quality will actually be slightly worse on a 720p video because it will have to be scaled down to play on the screen, whereas a properly transcoded video would be 1:1 with the pixels on the screen.
I mentioned bit rate; I don't really know what a good marker for bit rate is, but when transcoding to a smaller resolution, you don't want to keep the original bit rate: that has to go down too. Bit rate plays into file size significantly, so in reality any 720p video is much more than 2.4x bigger than it needs to be.
I guess one of these days I'll play around with a transcoder and make a thread about how to properly convert a video for WP7.
I just sold my transformer prime infinity...and coming from that, im disappointed with the screen. How could a lower resolution screen on the prime look sharper than the one on the nexus?
Well I was just looking around here and I don't have a Nexus 10. I got a Galaxy Note 10.1 and from my experience the picture matters a lot.
I mean there are a lot of wallpaper sites with ultra HD and optimized wallpapers for retina display, but the same resolution is not always the same sharpness. some are crappy cropped or zoomed.
Use quickpic to set your background picture. The stock gallery app sometimes crops the pictures false.
And pictures with a resolution below the maximum resolution will always look a bit crappy. that means that when you are using a fullHD picture, which was nice for transformer prime, it can look less sharp on a display with higher resolution like nexus 10
I too come from Prime and there is no contest, this screen is sharper than Prime by miles.
How stuff looks will depend on what you are seeing.
If you have set regular wallpaper, it will look all blurry thanks to resolution. Even so called HD wallpapers will look blurry on this. You need to go search for wallpapers for MacBook Pro retina and use those on this tablet using quickpic. None of the apps from Android market have good wallpapers that are having native resolution of this tablet.
Text is sharp and crisp on this.
Most arcade games are not optimised for this screen and look terrible or blurry. That is not screen's fault.
Desktop web pages look nice full and crisp. So only real issue of lack of sharpness comes into picture when the content is not ready for screen. That includes apps, images and games.
I also come from Prime.
I wouldn't say the Prime screen looks sharper than the Nexus 10. Reading text on the N10, for example, the resolution is really amazing, very nice on the Nexus 10.
The colors and brightness and blacks is a different story. The Prime had those 3 much nicer than the Nexus 10. I loved playing Marble Blast on the Prime, the graphics looked amazingly vivid. On the Nexus 10 they appear as meh.
Its the prime infinity. Drastic difference. What a shame. Gonna put the nex up 4sale.
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I just sold my transformer prime...and coming from that, im disappointed with the screen. How could a lower resolution screen on the prime look sharper than the one on the nexus?
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It's mainly because a lot of apps and mobile sites and such aren't made for the resolution. It's made for a smaller resolution, so to make up for that, the apps, mobile sites, and whatever else are all upscaled to fit the 2560x1600 resolution. While upscaling allows you to view things bigger, it will also make everything else a slightly blurry. There are upscaling algorithms to make it look better, but basically it's impossible to make upscaled images look as good as a native 2560x1600 image.
A 720p 10" screen (Note 10.1) will show a 720p video the cleanest because the video outputs a ratio of exactly 1:1 pixels.
A 1080p 10" screen (TF prime) will show a 720p video a bit blurrier because the video outputs a ratio of 2.25:1 pixels.
A 1440p 10" screen (N10) will show a 720p video the blurriest because the video outputs a ratio of 4:1 pixels. (I know the N10 has a 1600p screen, it's just to make calculations slightly easier)
Now when using a 1080p video, a 720p screen will show no improvement because the screen can't output those extra pixels.
When using a 1080p screen, the screen will look sharper than that 720p screen because you have more information. Consider watching TV of a 10x10 resolution vs 1920x1080 resolution. The 1920x1080p resolution will look far better
Once again, the 1440p will look slightly blurry.
Now when you use a 1440p video, you can probably guess which screen will output that video the cleanest.
So basically, this high resolution thing is good mainly for texts as of right now since nothing is really optimized for a screen beyond 1080p.
Anyone who thinks its possible for a much lower resolution screen to be sharper is a fool. This screen is absolutely dazzling. Though content displayed is obviously going to have an affect.
And just to shove some numbers in your face:
N10 - 300.24 PPI (2560x1600 @ 10.055") 4,096,000 pixels (78% MORE)
Prime Infinity - 226.42 PPI (1920x1200 @ 10") 2,304,000 pixels
That's a huge difference.
404 ERROR said:
It's mainly because a lot of apps and mobile sites and such aren't made for the resolution. It's made for a smaller resolution, so to make up for that, the apps, mobile sites, and whatever else are all upscaled to fit the 2560x1600 resolution. While upscaling allows you to view things bigger, it will also make everything else a slightly blurry. There are upscaling algorithms to make it look better, but basically it's impossible to make upscaled images look as good as a native 2560x1600 image.
A 720p 10" screen (Note 10.1) will show a 720p video the cleanest because the video outputs a ratio of exactly 1:1 pixels.
A 1080p 10" screen (TF prime) will show a 720p video a bit blurrier because the video outputs a ratio of 2.25:1 pixels.
A 1440p 10" screen (N10) will show a 720p video the blurriest because the video outputs a ratio of 4:1 pixels. (I know the N10 has a 1600p screen, it's just to make calculations slightly easier)
Now when using a 1080p video, a 720p screen will show no improvement because the screen can't output those extra pixels.
When using a 1080p screen, the screen will look sharper than that 720p screen because you have more information. Consider watching TV of a 10x10 resolution vs 1920x1080 resolution. The 1920x1080p resolution will look far better
Once again, the 1440p will look slightly blurry.
Now when you use a 1440p video, you can probably guess which screen will output that video the cleanest.
So basically, this high resolution thing is good mainly for texts as of right now since nothing is really optimized for a screen beyond 1080p.
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I actually have to disagree with you a little bit here. 720p video should look just as good on the Nexus 10 as it does on the Note 10.1. 1280x800 times 2 is 2560x1600. Because of that each pixel of a 720p video will take up exactly 4 pixels on the Nexus 10; however those 4 pixels on the N10 are the same area that would be a single pixel on the Note 10.1. This is a clean ratio. On the TF700 you got to 1920x1200 which is 1.5 times 1280x800. This is not a whole ratio and means that pixels of a 720p video will take up between 1 and 4 pixels on the TF700 display (determined by a fancy algorithm for scaling images).
The Nexus 10 playing 1080p video should have about the same blurriness as the TF700 playing 720p video.
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Anyone who thinks its possible for a much lower resolution screen to be sharper is a fool. This screen is absolutely dazzling. Though content displayed is obviously going to have an affect.
And just to shove some numbers in your face:
N10 - 300.24 PPI (2560x1600 @ 10.055") 4,096,000 pixels (78% MORE)
Prime Infinity - 226.42 PPI (1920x1200 @ 10") 2,304,000 pixels
That's a huge difference.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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Lol as a former owner of both (returned Prime C1 for 700 a C6 then returned that, and I started the thread in Prime forums for users who Asus lost our first mailed GPS dongles)- your fooling yourself or you got a N10 with a bad screen
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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You can most likely blame that on googles new font rendering in 4.2. They turned down the font hinting a lot. It would be nice if it was configureable like in Linux. It the same way on the galaxy nexus and nexus 7 in 4.2.
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The problem with this screen is calibration and black levels.
Colors are extremely washed, red is a poor red, same with blue. This totally kills the screen. If you compare this with ipad screen, you will cry. Not because of viewing angles, not because of brightness, because of colours. Google was really smart when they decided not to calibrate their screens, same with nexus 4, while other OEMs take care of this thing deeply.
And black, despite numbers of the reviews, its quite poor, mostly because every single unit has light bleed (some with a hard mess, others this problem is smaller)
As a result, a top screen with such a poor implementation. This could be best screen in an tablet ever, and now it is a mediocre one, with many pixels, but nothing else. And it's a ****ing software issue, thats so sad.
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And it's a ****ing software issue, thats so sad.
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light bleed is not a software issue
Techie2012 said:
light bleed is not a software issue
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Yep, meant the calibration thing, it's about software. Black thing is because a bad manufacturing process, probably because of low price tag., or crappy manufacturers.
blackhand1001 said:
You can most likely blame that on googles new font rendering in 4.2. They turned down the font hinting a lot. It would be nice if it was configureable like in Linux. It the same way on the galaxy nexus and nexus 7 in 4.2.
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Wow...that blows. Maybe we need a 4.1 ROM??
I saw light bleed as soon as I turned my N10, but that's not the reason I just called to return it -- it was the uneven brightness. The top 1/2 inch of the screen is noticeably darker than the rest of it -- not visible when watching a movie or playing games, but very distracting when surfing and reading books, especially in portrait mode.
Since I haven't seen anyone else complain about this issue, I'm hopeful the replacement will be better.
Yep, I completely agree with one of the previous posters, this is definetly a black level issue. I put the iPad with a Retina Display right against a Nexus 10 both playing the same 1080i MKV. The iPad clearly won.
I still like the Nexus 10 a lot and I find it very comfortable to use because of how thin it is and how light it is, but to improve the product I think Google missed it some here. They could lowered the resolution considerably (1920 x 1080 is more than fine), improved on black level, and used the same processor. The lower resolution would have allowed that processor to scream since it wouldn't have been as taxed to interpolate so many pixels.
I don't know if it is a software issue or not, but if it is I really hope Google releases a fix. If there was a way to adjust Gamma or Contrast it might help considerably.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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There's no way on earth text (or other computer generated content like the UI and icons) will look better on a 147PPI display (Prime) vs. 224PPI (TF700) or 300PPI (N10). The reason is as 404 Error did a great job of explaining is that text is a 1:1 match pixel wise; the more pixels the sharper the image. Photos and videos display even the clearest content over multiple pixels so the advantage of a higher PPI becomes less pronounced. And the human eye (even yours) can't resolve sharpness over 229PPI beyond 15". So, your 20/20 eyes are decieving you. The N10 has less contrast and isn't as bright as older displays so that might be what you're reacting to.
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This could be best screen in an tablet ever, and now it is a mediocre one,
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well lets hope this guy will change that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9H-TtObBY
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I saw light bleed as soon as I turned my N10, but that's not the reason I just called to return it -- it was the uneven brightness. The top 1/2 inch of the screen is noticeably darker than the rest of it -- not visible when watching a movie or playing games, but very distracting when surfing and reading books, especially in portrait mode.
Since I haven't seen anyone else complain about this issue, I'm hopeful the replacement will be better.
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Mine has this problem and so do at least a few others. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2007676
I'm still debating if it annoys me enough to justify an exchange.
Does anybody know where I could download high quality 2560x1600 native videos? I really want to see the Nexus 10's screen in full glory! I've searched on Google but couldn't find anything.
Thanks
On a side note: Am I the only slightly bothered by how 1080p videos look on the nexus 10? I completely understand why they look the way they do and in all fairness they still look really good but no where near as crisp on a native 1080p display. I guess the screen resolution is ahead of its time since no there is no video content available for consumer purchase above 1080p (at least from what ive seen). But I still LOVE the screen! :good:
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On a side note: Am I the only slightly bothered by how 1080p videos look on the nexus 10? I completely understand why they look the way they do and in all fairness they still look really good but no where near as crisp on a native 1080p display. I guess the screen resolution is ahead of its time since no there is no video content available for consumer purchase above 1080p (at least from what ive seen). But I still LOVE the screen! :good:
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1080p seems immaculate to me, not sure what tablet you're comparing too, but a high quality blu-ray rip isn't that distinguishable from 1600/1440p stuff.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995176 has a 1400p video sample
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1080p seems immaculate to me, not sure what tablet you're comparing too, but a high quality blu-ray rip isn't that distinguishable from 1600/1440p stuff.
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Agreed, I ripped my Sky fall bluray copy to MP4 @ 2.5gb and it looks amazing
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youtube has 1080p video samples. youtube also 1440 stuff.
they both look amazing...
michaelearth said:
Does anybody know where I could download high quality 2560x1600 native videos? I really want to see the Nexus 10's screen in full glory! I've searched on Google but couldn't find anything.
Thanks
On a side note: Am I the only slightly bothered by how 1080p videos look on the nexus 10? I completely understand why they look the way they do and in all fairness they still look really good but no where near as crisp on a native 1080p display. I guess the screen resolution is ahead of its time since no there is no video content available for consumer purchase above 1080p (at least from what ive seen). But I still LOVE the screen! :good:
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Timescapes.org. you can purchase it in the 1440p version... It looks AMAZING on the N10... There is a full 4k version but it is higher red than n10 lol
So I just bought a Homido to use with the nexus 6p. It's fun but the resulting image isnt too sharp. I think this is because demo movies are 1080p generally and since our phone is quite big, the resulting image isnt too sharp. I wonder if someone knows a source for 1440p or 4k SBS movies to demo ? I couldnt find any myself. Not youtube but real movies for download, shot in QHD or UHD. Please share if you've found something in this thread, thanks !
Actually I'm starting to think there's currently just *no* SBS content higher than 1080p, even on the torrents I can't find anything higher than 1080p, that's quite a bummer ... Still, if someone knows a demo or something >1080p, please do share !
Actually so it seems the SBS format only goes up to 1080p24 ... Just starting to look into this, but wondering now if there's a format that supports higher resolutions ?
*EDIT* also just found this article, the makers of the Oculus rift say that 8k resolution per eye is needed to truely get rid of pixelation: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...esolution-per-eye-isnt-enough-for-perfect-vr/ and the article makes a point that you need even a multiple of that to get rid of aliasing.
Oh and 500 fps, hehe.
That seems still quite a few years away, lol.
Currently virtual reality is interesting but I understand now we're still quite a few (probably 10) years away from hardware that can generate a really good VR experience. 1080p24 just isn't it....
To answer my own question:
Full SBS = 3840 x 1080 which exists but requires specialist playback equipment
Half SBS = 1920 x 1080 which is very widespread and also of course broadcast-able.
So Full SBS is actually 1080p *per eye*, so our display cant yield true full SBS unfortunately.