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Hi guys,
hoe I can close application without use my finger or pen but only tapping on OK BUTTONS?
First to install WM6 rom I use SPB pocket plus with a useful utility that associated at Ok buttons function to CLOSE application.
Can I do in Wm6 with some software?
tanks
Hi hamleto,
i´ve searched many weeks, and today i´ve got the answer:
here in the forum i´ve found a little tool/program, called ZapIt!. And there is an article in the german magazin "Pocket PC Magazin 8/07".
put the cab to pda, install and then go to: Start>Settings>Buttons. Here chose for the OK-Button (3) the program Zap IT! as assignmet. Then, the OK-Button close finaly all programs. That´s all for english ROM.
For German ROM´s: copy "Zap IT!" from Windows\Start Menu and paste to Windows\Startmenü.
d.joris said:
Hi hamleto,
i´ve searched many weeks, and today i´ve got the answer:
here in the forum i´ve found a little tool/program, called ZapIt!. And there is an article in the german magazin "Pocket PC Magazin 8/07".
put the cab to pda, install and then go to: Start>Settings>Buttons. Here chose for the OK-Button (3) the program Zap IT! as assignmet. Then, the OK-Button close finaly all programs. That´s all for english ROM.
For German ROM´s: copy "Zap IT!" from Windows\Start Menu and paste to Windows\Startmenü.
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now that is cool but just one big problem..... now when listening to music it's not posible to minimize to player without closing the player
yes, that´s right. But I have changed under Start>Settings>Buttons the Assignment of Button1 to <Today>, instead of <Start Menu>.
So, when I listen music, I press the Button1, so I´m on the Today-Screen to make other things. For me, that´s what I want.
(Boahr, my english is not good :-(
d.joris said:
Hi hamleto,
i´ve searched many weeks, and today i´ve got the answer:
here in the forum i´ve found a little tool/program, called ZapIt!. And there is an article in the german magazin "Pocket PC Magazin 8/07".
put the cab to pda, install and then go to: Start>Settings>Buttons. Here chose for the OK-Button (3) the program Zap IT! as assignmet. Then, the OK-Button close finaly all programs. That´s all for english ROM.
For German ROM´s: copy "Zap IT!" from Windows\Start Menu and paste to Windows\Startmenü.
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I try it, but it don't work with PDAVIET rom.
d.joris said:
yes, that´s right. But I have changed under Start>Settings>Buttons the Assignment of Button1 to <Today>, instead of <Start Menu>.
So, when I listen music, I press the Button1, so I´m on the Today-Screen to make other things. For me, that´s what I want.
(Boahr, my english is not good :-(
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that or you press the windows key twice (quick succession, like when you double click the left button on a mouse)...it should auto default you back to the Today screen and everything will be minimized
I tried on my PDAVIET 4.0.0.0 touch and it works like a charm.
Thanks
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too bad it does not have the option to make some programs exclusive..
HButton will do everything you need. You can map button press to OK/Close, and button hold to Quit (close properly)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1260565
Yes, yes, yes.... Hbutton is better than zapIT! Thank you.
in windows with "ok" it does not work and thats bad.
I try it with mortscript but how can I set a .lnk file to the ok-button?
e7t3 said:
HButton will do everything you need. You can map button press to OK/Close, and button hold to Quit (close properly)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1260565
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hey...thanks for the info!
Sorry guys, have you tried InClose Mobile?
I use it and it enables not only really close applications, but also has a minimise option...
Check it out and post your oppinion.
VJOkButt was developed to do this, but for now it doesn't support user defined exceptions (eg press ok in Contacts, press minimize in Phone) etc.
But otherwise it works ok I think.
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xusso said:
Sorry guys, have you tried InClose Mobile?
I use it and it enables not only really close applications, but also has a minimise option...
Check it out and post your oppinion.
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Fantastic!
Apart from SPB PocketPlus, InClose Mobile is the best that I've used todate. In fact it has more options and functions than SPB PocketPlus.
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uh..how to map it to ok button so that it can minimize and close apps??
sorry, i mean the inclose app..
smarvest said:
Fantastic!
Apart from SPB PocketPlus, InClose Mobile is the best that I've used todate. In fact it has more options and functions than SPB PocketPlus.
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What version are you using? The version I used on WM5 does not work to great on the WM6 roms that I have tried. Could you post the cab??
jimtoyz said:
uh..how to map it to ok button so that it can minimize and close apps??
sorry, i mean the inclose app..
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You can map a button to InClose, so when you press the button the InClose menu is dropped down and you can choose what do do with the window.
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What version are you using? The version I used on WM5 does not work to great on the WM6 roms that I have tried. Could you post the cab??
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I'm using InClose5, it works well on my WM6 ROM.
What version is yours? If it's different, I can upload it
smarvest said:
I'm using InClose5, it works well on my WM6 ROM.
What version is yours? If it's different, I can upload it
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This is what i have got. "InClose_XE_EN[1].ARMV4I.v5_Setup.exe"
It looks like it is v5, but the problems is that sometimes the menu is not working and that makes everything hanging. Just a soft reset to solve.
Hi there,
I was looking around for an app to let you choose different ringtones for contacts on a priority basis.
I found something similar by v3patel, but it didn't allow me to prioritise, e.g. a 'personal' ringtone to take precedence over a 'business' ringrone when a contact is in both categories.
....so I made this app. I hope that it might be useful for others too, do as ever let me know of any bug reports or feature requests.
EDIT: If you were testing v0.1, please upgrade to v0.2 for an important bugfix!
Download Link Here - v0.2
This app requires the .net compact framework on your device. For WM6 this comes pre-installed in ROM, others need to download here
Carlos
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Instructions
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1. Choose a category and a ringtone.
2. Click 'Add to list' to add it to the priority list.
3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 until you've chosen all your desired categories and ringtones.
4. Use the Up and Down arrow buttons to order your list into priority; categories at the top take precedence over categories below them.
5. Click 'Set Now' to make the changes.
Troubleshooting
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The app assumes that the ringtones are stored in \Windows\Rings. If this is NOT the case, go to the menu and choose 'Set Folder' to point it to a different location. This setting is currently NOT stored (sorry!) but will be in a future release if I get time!
Further help / support
======================
Please go to www.fatattitude.com/software or post in this thread
cool, will try
Good work....
Hey, great work and a good idea...
will try it also (it's too late to tell someone to call me )
Maybe it could be possible to listen to the ringtones before adding in a future release ? Just as input for you....
what does it mean "choice currently not stored" ? Will the changes be made to the categories, but when you restart your app, you can't see it anymore ? I think it is this way, but i'm not really sure....
Anyway, i like it !
Cheers, Peter
petervbeck said:
what does it mean "choice currently not stored" ?
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No, it just means that your preferences aren't stored, including where you tell the app to look for the ringtones. Your contacts will be set to the new ringtones you ask for and will stay this way, even after a reset.
nice work. will try today. thx
i am using trinity wm6 bape rom. and got a platformnotsupport exception.
h0228631 said:
i am using trinity wm6 bape rom. and got a platformnotsupport exception.
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Sorry, I forget to mention that the app requires the .net compact framework 2.0 to be installed, perhaps this is giving you the error. Download link added to first post.
C
Hi, for anyone experiencing problems with ringtones not playing in v0.1, please upgrade to v0.2 for an important bugfix... ...first post updated!
Do please keep feedback & suggestions coming - nearly 200 downloads and no comments on the program!
C
carlosp_uk said:
Sorry, I forget to mention that the app requires the .net compact framework 2.0 to be installed, perhaps this is giving you the error. Download link added to first post.
C
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wm6 should have 2.0 by default. at least on official rom. I believe the bape rom should also have it. Anyway, I will try 2.0 out tonite and report later.
has anyone tried this on a WM Treo?
bnycastro said:
has anyone tried this on a WM Treo?
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No, please try it out and let us know if possible!
If you just want to test the app, you could always add a contact to a new category, for example, "Test". Then just run the app and assign all contacts in category "Test" to a ringtone. If the contact you changed is successfully updated then the program works for you! If not, no harm done.
Do let us know if you have success.
h0228631 said:
wm6 should have 2.0 by default. at least on official rom. I believe the bape rom should also have it. Anyway, I will try 2.0 out tonite and report later.
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still not work on my wm6 trinity.
h0228631 said:
still not work on my wm6 trinity.
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It is perhaps to do with the recorded version number of your ROM and the settings for my CAB file.
Can you post the exact error message that you are receiving, along with when you are receiving it? Then I can try and help you.
C
It didn't work on my Prophet running WM6.
The program itself works, and assigns the correct ringtone to each category, but when a person calls, the default ringtone that is set in sounds & notification is played instead of the category ringtone assigned.
In each contact's information, the correct ringtone for that category is assigned. But it doesn't play that tone when that person calls.
When I open someone's contact detail and tap the ringtone, the left softkey changes to "play". When I tap that, there's no sound.
However, if I assign that same ringtone manually in the contact details, it plays when I tap "Play"
Hope you understand what I mean...
Putra said:
The program itself works, and assigns the correct ringtone to each category, but when a person calls, the default ringtone that is set in sounds & notification is played instead of the category ringtone assigned.
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Thank you - if only all bug reports were that detailed!
Can you confirm that you're running v0.2 of the program? There was a bug in v0.1 that caused this behaviour. (see first post for download link)
C
Hi carlosp,
Yes, v0.2 works perfectly. Thanx for this app! It really saves us the chore of having to assign a ringtone for each contact individually.
Now, I'm trying to decide if I still need innesoft address book...
Putra said:
Yes, v0.2 works perfectly. Thanx for this app! It really saves us the chore of having to assign a ringtone for each contact individually.
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No problem - let me know if you have any bug reports or more feature requests. I was thinking perhaps add an 'Any Category' option in the drop down, so that it's possible to unassign ringtones from all contacts in order to clear everything off and start again.
Hi,
something strange happened: I flashed my prophet to Prophet Touch VII ROM (I was on v6 before), and the Tone Manager didn't work.
Ran the program as usual, but after that I got the same problem as described in my post above. The ringtones are assigned to each contact but doesn't play during the incoming call. Exactly the same prob as in v01.
Strange....??? it was working before on my previous ROM....
A request: the folder is not saved but always reverts back to \windows\rings at each opening of the program. I have mine in the SD card... can you make the prog save the SET FOLDER?
Thanx...
EDIT: I re-downloaded the program from your website and re-installed it, and it works! Very strange, maybe the file in my PC got corrupted or something...
Tone Manager not working on Cingular 3125 (WM 5)
Hi Carlos,
I have installed .net framework v2.0 on my Cingular 3125 and after I start Tone Manager, I get the following error:
Error
An unexpected error has occurred in Tone Manager.exe. Select Quit then restart this program, or select Details for more information.
After clicking on details, I get:
Error
Tone Manager.exe
NotSupportedException
at
MicrosoftAGL.Common.MISC.H
andleAr()
at
System.Windows.FOrms.Control.
_InitInstance()
at
System.Windows.Forms.Control.
.ctor()
at
System.Windows.Forms.Button..
ctor()
at
Tone_Manager.Form1.InitializeC
omponent()
at Tone_Manger.Form1..ctor()
at
System.Reflection.RuntimeConst
ructorInfo.InternalInvoke()
at
System.Reflection.RuntimeConst
ructorInfo.Invoke()
at
System.Reflection.ConstructorIn
fo.Invoke()
at
System.Activator.CreateInstance
()
at
MyForms.Creat_Instance_()
at MyForms.get_Form1()
at Tone_Manager.Form1.Main()
I've tried V3Patels VipPimRingTone, and I get somewhat similar error.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Joe
i think this is like RINGO but ringo is better coz u can classify also which sms tone u like for individual or group.
All,
Can anyone provide me the tweak or registry key to allow for me to continue typing on the thumb board while on a phone call? (Presently while talking, the system defaults to the number pad while talking)
Any help would be appreciated. I have seen a couple threads about changing the default keyboard config, but not for this one directly.
Thanks,
Bob
bob_beringer said:
All,
Can anyone provide me the tweak or registry key to allow for me to continue typing on the thumb board while on a phone call? (Presently while talking, the system defaults to the number pad while talking)
Any help would be appreciated. I have seen a couple threads about changing the default keyboard config, but not for this one directly.
Thanks,
Bob
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what rom r u using
Using AP4, had the same issue with AP 3.0 as well. I assume that they would be different registry keys, but any help would be appreciated...
bob_beringer said:
Using AP4, had the same issue with AP 3.0 as well. I assume that they would be different registry keys, but any help would be appreciated...
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i will look into the reg for you cause on my rom it does not do that
irus said:
i will look into the reg for you cause on my rom it does not do that
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Interesting, so when you are in a call and you type an SMS or email at the same time, the "Y U I H J K B M N ." keys don't type numbers in their place? I would love to have the letters instead of only numbers. The numbers are a help in 2% of the cases, but for the most part, I want to type notes about phone calls and without having the thumb board working, I am stuck with the touchscreen and it is much slower for me.
Either way, I appreaciate your help
v/r
Bob
bob_beringer said:
Interesting, so when you are in a call and you type an SMS or email at the same time, the "Y U I H J K B M N ." keys don't type numbers in their place? I would love to have the letters instead of only numbers. The numbers are a help in 2% of the cases, but for the most part, I want to type notes about phone calls and without having the thumb board working, I am stuck with the touchscreen and it is much slower for me.
Either way, I appreaciate your help
v/r
Bob
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i just tested to confirm and yes that is correct. i was on a call and i hit notes and started typing and it types letters not numbers. i am looking at the reg files now
i used windiff to see if i could find a difference but there were sooooo many i could not find it sorry.
Thank you
Does anyone else have any ideas on how to set the keyboard mode while talking on the phone?
Thanks,
Bob
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what rom r u using
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I'm using original spanish ROM WM6 and I have the same problem.
Me too
Let's bump this thread up the date sort:
AP 3.0, still. I can't get letters with the kbd at all when in a call, so I end up using an on-screen, or translating whatever I typed after the call. It sucks. I thought the active prg would dictate what happens with the keys. ???
I must admit the convenience of the automatic switch when in the phone app is nice.
I'm not getting why some units do this and some don't, or if it might be that people aren't using thier keyboards during a call in a different app.
Reg key? Any better ideas?
irus said:
i just tested to confirm and yes that is correct. i was on a call and i hit notes and started typing and it types letters not numbers. i am looking at the reg files now
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On screen keyboard or hardware keyboard? On screen works fine, hardware not since WM6.
its important to me, i would love to type using thumb keyboard while talking, i can confirm that vanilla version of 6.1 does that too but its a beta rom and i like AP4, maybe the athena project people can inlight us about this matter and creat a patch for us to use
for importancy am trying to keep this up, guys its doable, someone is required to just lead us, at least someone post me a clean (hard reseted) registery from a rom that works during call normally, and i will install it on my mobile (which doesn't type letters during call) if it works then at leaset we know its defenatly registry and there for i dedicate my life for it. any clean registry anyone can supply
PS am willing to Hard reset but not willing to reflash another rom am very tried from that business
Rabia said:
for importancy am trying to keep this up, guys its doable, someone is required to just lead us, at least someone post me a clean (hard reseted) registery from a rom that works during call normally, and i will install it on my mobile (which doesn't type letters during call) if it works then at leaset we know its defenatly registry and there for i dedicate my life for it. any clean registry anyone can supply
PS am willing to Hard reset but not willing to reflash another rom am very tried from that business
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If this drives you that nuts, then maybe you wouldn't mind doing a bit of investigation and sharing that with us?
Take a look at this registry key: HKLM\Software\HTC\SmartDialing\KeyboardMapping
There are some subkeys there, ToNum and ToSD. I'm guessing that those are responsible for the letter remapping. Would you mind taking a look and letting us know? Thanks!
Dialer/Dialer skine deppendent
It also could be that it is deppendent on dialer used in your system. Some dialers can switch keybaord to numbers and some can not. It would be nice if those who can write letters during a call could tell us which dialer is in their system.
Possible Path?
HKLM\Security\Phone\PhoneKeyMatch
Looks like this could be the ticket, will try to mess around with it and see if it makes any difference
v/r
Bob
Sogarth said:
If this drives you that nuts, then maybe you wouldn't mind doing a bit of investigation and sharing that with us?
Take a look at this registry key: HKLM\Software\HTC\SmartDialing\KeyboardMapping
There are some subkeys there, ToNum and ToSD. I'm guessing that those are responsible for the letter remapping. Would you mind taking a look and letting us know? Thanks!
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tried that untill deleting the whole string, no apparent effect, am trying the other syggestion now
bob_beringer said:
HKLM\Security\Phone\PhoneKeyMatch
Looks like this could be the ticket, will try to mess around with it and see if it makes any difference
v/r
Bob
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no still doesn't make a differnce too, any other suggestions
check out this thread, shows that it is really difficult to get the phone to accept changes, but that others are happy with the edits:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-296857.html
Let me know if anyone can apply the fix and solve this problem...
v/r
Bob
bob_beringer said:
check out this thread, shows that it is really difficult to get the phone to accept changes, but that others are happy with the edits:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-296857.html
Let me know if anyone can apply the fix and solve this problem...
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Bob
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it didn't work for me
Is it possible to have a song or sound effect as my ringtone or message tone?
Yes, it is: put the wanted (edited) .mp3-wav in windows file and choose it from phone-menu-settings for ringtone(somehow simillar for message tone).
as above said put your mp3 ect in windows sound folder
for ringtone - you can use anything as it will stop wen u answer
for text - you need to edit lenght of song as it will play it all even if you click read text, so make something thats like 3 seconds
bib*oops said:
Yes, it is: put the wanted (edited) .mp3-wav in windows file and choose it from phone-menu-settings for ringtone(somehow simillar for message tone).
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whre is the windows folder pal>?
Use start/file explorer/windows...
Throw in your desired mp3/wav(recommended) file and you would be able to find it in phone/settings.
heers mate, You have a tg01 too?
Any apps you can reccomend? there all expensive on the windows app centre. Wanting a twitter one ect for free
Also can i use SPB on it? Mine is running wm 6.5
Yeah, tg01,mate...
You can use spb shell 3.5, don,t worry about...
Look out on ppc*arez for all kind of apps...
Or use Ringo (it allows you to alter your text message sounds too).
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Yes, it is: put the wanted (edited) .mp3-wav in windows file and choose it from phone-menu-settings for ringtone(somehow simillar for message tone).
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useyourfist said:
as above said put your mp3 ect in windows sound folder
for ringtone - you can use anything as it will stop wen u answer
for text - you need to edit lenght of song as it will play it all even if you click read text, so make something thats like 3 seconds
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tried that on WM6.5 - for sms it works, for phone rings not.
it only displays 5 default ringtones
have you guys actually tried (and succeeded) that?
Or try to put your desired mp3(or whatever) in windows/rings folder, it's workinng...
Pe bunee...
Or just put it in "\Storage Card\My Documents\My Ringtones" (create the folders if they don't exist) then goto "Start > Settings > Sounds & Notifications", select the "Notifications" tab and select your ringtone and message tone from there.
My question stays: did any of you tried that on a WM 6.5 TG01?
I did - it did not work for me; from your answers I have the feeling (I must confess) that you did not try that
Yes. I have a TG01 with WM6.5 pre-installed. I created an mp3 ringtone and put it in "\Storage Card\My Documents\My Ringtones". I went to "Start > Settings > Sounds & Notifications", selected the "Notifications" tab, and used the combo boxes to select my mp3 as the main ringtone. My ringtone appeared in the list no problems.
sorry dupe post
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My question stays: did any of you tried that on a WM 6.5 TG01?
I did - it did not work for me; from your answers I have the feeling (I must confess) that you did not try that
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sorry misinformed you put it in
application data/sounds
and all should work fine
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Yes. I have a TG01 with WM6.5 pre-installed. I created an mp3 ringtone and put it in "\Storage Card\My Documents\My Ringtones". I went to "Start > Settings > Sounds & Notifications", selected the "Notifications" tab, and used the combo boxes to select my mp3 as the main ringtone. My ringtone appeared in the list no problems.
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sorry misinformed you put it in
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many thanks for bearing with me through this hard (for me) task
after little experience and trial on my own (this is my very first WM device) I managed to put them in \windows\Rings - this works fine.
but, if you are saying that you can put them on the Storage card, I would rather go your way to save space on the phone (my mp3 are quite large)...
now the next logical step is to have different rings for different contacts - there is no indication how to do this...and YES I have read the whole user manual
paroariax said:
Yes. I have a TG01 with WM6.5 pre-installed. I created an mp3 ringtone and put it in "\Storage Card\My Documents\My Ringtones". I went to "Start > Settings > Sounds & Notifications", selected the "Notifications" tab, and used the combo boxes to select my mp3 as the main ringtone. My ringtone appeared in the list no problems.
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yes this works as well - many thanks!
a_petrov303 said:
many thanks for bearing with me through this hard (for me) task
after little experience and trial on my own (this is my very first WM device) I managed to put them in \windows\Rings - this works fine.
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Thank youuu...
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Thank youuu...
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thank you and sorry for noob questions...do you know if it is possible to have different tones for different contacts (for calls and sms)?
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now the next logical step is to have different rings for different contacts - there is no indication how to do this...and YES I have read the whole user manual
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The way I know:
in every contact you have when you open it (tap one, tap twice on name) you'll see the row Ring tone: tap on it and select your prefferred ringtone.
I don't know for specific sms tone for each contact: never crossed my mind??!!
Hi,
could anybody help me with changing of sound for SMS delivery report?
I've already tryed SMS Report Eraser from JGUI witch is'nt working on my LEO.
Anybody can sugest me solution?
I'm sending loads of texts everyday so I desperatly need to sort this problem.
Please help ...
this bugs the hell out of me, would love to find a way around it
Search for SMSDR Fix.
unfortunetly SMSDR Fix isn't workin as well ...
Anyone who has a solution for this?
it's really bugging me out...
I want to hear it when I have an SMS message, even if the phone is far away from me.
But why does the delivery report tone need to be the same? this I do not need to hear, just a pop or even silent would be more than enough
matthiasdeblaiser said:
Anyone who has a solution for this?
it's really bugging me out...
I want to hear it when I have an SMS message, even if the phone is far away from me.
But why does the delivery report tone need to be the same? this I do not need to hear, just a pop or even silent would be more than enough
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i think, you people dont know your phone well
go to settings/menu/all settings/sounds and notifications/notifications/events: (there is a dropdown from phone:incoming call.. here)....message:send succeeded....change sound to whatever you want....bet you did not see this...
actually there was some reg tweak or cab to enable more hidden notifications and sounds to be displayed here...search for that also
some people just don't respond back...it makes me wonder....did they sell off their leodroid..??
pakure said:
i think, you people dont know your phone well
go to settings/menu/all settings/sounds and notifications/notifications/events: (there is a dropdown from phone:incoming call.. here)....message:send succeeded....change sound to whatever you want....bet you did not see this...
actually there was some reg tweak or cab to enable more hidden notifications and sounds to be displayed here...search for that also
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some people just don't respond back...it makes me wonder....did they sell off their leodroid..??
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I WAS ABOUT TO REPLY THE SAME !! most ppl don't know their phones cuz they most deal with sense settingsnot original WinMo settings
But i assume most people ask for solutions, when you give it to them if it worked they never come back, but if it didn't they return and ask for another solution .. IMO