What are your thoughts?
I'm not posting this in the Lumia forums because it's a bit one sided, but...
Will it make a difference to Nokias standing in the marketplace at the moment?
I mean they were the #1 leaders in the phone industry for a very long time... is it too late or do you think this may be what Nokia needs to get themselves ahead again?
Based on what i heard this phone should be the best in all nokia phones.
the hardware isnt that excellent compared to other phones in the market, but the modifications done on WP make it excellent.
i cant say if we should compare it to other nokia phones, since it's a new generation of phones (for nokia of course), but i think that many people will switch from symbian to WP, because of the features it offers.
Here in Italy Nokia is advertising this phone like hell. Personally i think that design wise this is one of the best if not the best looking phone in a couple years, and this may be enough to make some of the old time high end Symbian users switch back to Nokia. This phone will probably sell relatively well, but i can't see Nokia catching up again in the medium-low range market (not in a while at least): Android phones are cheaper and basically offer quite as much in terms of functionality. Anyway as an old time Nokia fan i see this as a promising beginning, and once that Nokia WP7 phones get mature enough (next year or so) i won't mind jumping ship. A few thing are becoming a little boring/annoying here on the Android platform, maybe after 2 years a bit of a change will be refreshing for me
Based on the review here in Singapore, it does have good design in the line of Nokia series.. Sensitive screens, etc.
But when you compare to say a SGS2 or IOS phone, you find the range of apps is pretty limited. Of course, we can sit down and Bang! You only use 50 apps at most. But you are talking about useful tools, utilities, messaging or rather communication related apps, production, education and most of all Games.
So as it stand, it is good, but put it together with other brands, it will lost badly.
Although it may catch on overseas...it has no chance in the United States.
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Although it may catch on overseas...it has no chance in the United States.
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Nokia has never been all that big in the states, yet it was still the daddy worldwide.
A stateside blessing is not a prerequisite for success. Moto is popular in the US, but dead as a doornail in Europe.
Horses for courses.
Because no one knows when the F they're coming out! Good job Samsung! Way to get EVERYONE'S hopes up AGAIN! lol with all the hoopla about "on or before"...I actually thought they were doing things right by under-promising and over-delivering this time....shame on me...
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Because no one knows when the F they're coming out! Good job Samsung! Way to get EVERYONE'S hopes up AGAIN! lol with all the hoopla about "on or before"...I actually thought they were doing things right by under-promising and over-delivering this time....shame on me...
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Because android devices are being released every day..
Pointless thread. Still, SGS III release date was known a month in advance. It's just that SGS III was also available everywhere, in all (bigger) stores, on the launch date, and not just in iSheep Store or the telco.
Android owners mostly just want the best phone not to go to it's release and show it off to everyone.
Coming from an iPhone background (i had a 3GS, 4 and 4S), the reason they have a mass following is probably because theyre devices are globally known as idiot proof devices that do everything a normal user would want to do, without having to know jack all about technology. They managed to keep the popular features and encompass it in a shell of easy to use terms and user interfaces.
Android on the other hand, and including my new Samsung Galaxy S3 (coming from the HTC One X i had for 2 months prior) has turned my world around. The sheer amount of stuff they can do (especially when boosted out the ass with custom roms) far outweighs the iPhone devices... BUT... only if you can wrap your head around the terms and more advanced features... and even more so if you can grasp roms.
Because waiting in lines is so 1980s. And it feels like Christmas when the postman delivers my phone. Hassle free.
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I actually got a tent ready for next year release
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Since there's so many Android phones its unnecessary. There's 1 iPhone besides the colors and gb you have no choice. If there is every 1 Android phone the same will happen most likely.
Plus good sheep always come
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I've got a better reason. People buying android devices are smart. They order their phones online. Cmon 9 million pre booking on the SGS III. That ain't a joke
iHoles like to stand in lines before launch because iphones are only available on iStores....whereas android devices can be bought from many shops(as comparative to idevices atleast).
So leave ishits and buy android with no 'i'.
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I've got a better reason. People buying android devices are smart. They order their phones online. Cmon 9 million pre booking on the SGS III. That ain't a joke
iHoles like to stand in lines before launch because iphones are only available on iStores....whereas android devices can be bought from many shops(as comparative to idevices atleast).
So leave ishits and buy android with no 'i'.
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And you've just confirmed exactly why Apple always win, people queue so it must be popular/good. Media can't take pictures of your online orders but seeing hundreds/thousands lining up is free publicity on top of your launch.
Hi,
I bought my G2 a month ago and I am very very satisfied with this phone. I coming from the Iphone (and could not imagine some years ago to have other phone as an Iphone). Last year I tried the Lumia 920 but was not happy with the restrictions and lack of apps in WP8. Then I tried the Nexus4 and it was a big surprise: I learned to love the flexibility of Android. I missed LTE so I switched to the HTC One until I broke the screen and realized the terrible hardware support of HTC.
I noticed a new phone on the top of Stuff's best smartphones list: the LG G2. I read several tests and decided to give a try. Now it is my phone and I am really happy with it. I like LGUI as well. Recently I use Reayglobe ROM on the phone.
The question I would like to discuss / hear your opinions is about ranking of this phone.
Stuff shortlists the G2 still on the first place, and chose the G2 as gadget of the year. Check this: http://www.stuff.tv/
At the same time, T3 ranks the G2 at the 6th place and starts the list with the Iphone 5S, which is in my view unbelievable. (Strange, but in the hard-copies I see different rankings as in the online version where the N5 leads).
Furthermore, in the T3 ranking the Nexus 5 is 2nd and the G2 is 6th (in the online version not even listed) however, the the G2 has everything the N5 offers, and the N5 has not many things we have in the G2.
Why is T3 so much biased for the Iphone? What is behind such ranking? Manufacturer support for the magazine? Are these magazines really independent?
Some reviewers will put the iPhone in first no matter what. Finger print reader and an updated camera... amazing! So innovative lol.
Honestly though... the moto x COULD have been the best phone of the year if they put a decent camera on it and a bigger battery. they didn't so oh well.. I've played with every phone out this year and the best over all imo is defiantly the g2. It has some things that could be better. But a solid package overall
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I'm not sure if magazine reviews should be trusted as much as they are. Many reviews are slanted due to certain 'financial incentives'. And Apple allegedly has a very large advertising budget
The artical at androidheadlines says about significantly less sales figures of LG G2 in spite of being great phone. (I can not paste link here).
It says :
LG wanted to sell at least 3 million units internationally, too, but they’ve only sold 2.3 million, which is 20 percent less than what they were expecting to sell. To reach even those 2.3 million customers, LG had to increase its marketing budget, too, but it doesn’t look like their marketing campaigns have been very effective. Unfortunately for LG, marketing campaign effectiveness also depends on how strong your brand is and if you’re the kind of company that creates excellent products.
Whosoever has seen my G2 mobile felt that it is the one of the best phone which they also should have owned. However, most of them were pretty unaware (before they saw my phone) about LG G2.
What are the reasons do you all feel for low sales figures?
In my opinion, may be following are the reason for its poor sales,
1) Poor Marketting ?? - In India, I see that LG has advertised phone very poorly. Even their advertisements were not that catchy when compared to Sony Xperia Z1, iphone and Samsung phones.
2) Brand Value ?? - LG is not considered as top brand for their phones. In fact LG G2 is my first LG phone. Before that I have used Nokia N900, Galaxy S2, HTC, iphone...but never ever thought of buying LG phone.
3) Not removable battery ??
4) Position of buttons ??
5) Competion has better mobiles ?? - Samsung Galaxy S4 and Note 3, Xperia Z1, Iphone 5S, Lumia 1020
6) Launch of Nexus 5 ??
Do you see any other reason for its poor sale?
Another reason would be bad update behavior on previous phones.
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Another reason would be bad update behavior on previous phones.
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I don't think it's LG's update policy. The Mainstream doesn't care when or how they get updates, they even don't know which is the current Android Version. We (here on XDA) are only a view percent of all Consumers.
Although i agree on bad Marketing. On the launch of the S4 there've been dozens of TV commercials, Newspaper adds and and and .. honestly i haven't seen a single TV commercial about the G2
Before the G2 i owned the S4, which was rather quickly sold (no regrets - bad Phone in my opinion) and the HTC One. Seen the G2 in a Phoneshop and quickly fallen in love with it.
But anyhow that's the burden of small Phone builder companies like LG or HTC. They suffer from the almighty Samsung even they build the much better Phones. I always would prefer a HTC or LG device over Samsung but that's not what the mainstream thinks
Its just visibility thats hurting them. The HTC One and S4 get all the headlines in the Android world, as far as branded unit go, and the N5 gets all the headlines as far as software is concerned, but the nexus isnt a big seller, despite what the Nexus nazis think.
LG should take this as a learning curve and make sure LG G2 is updated quickly, also adveritse the next phone a more. The G Flex has got some coverage beacuse G2 rolled the ball for LG, now it is upto them to keep the momentum going.
2.3 million might not be a great number, but it is the beggining, probably LG will end with 2.5 million which is still pretty decent. This is how Galaxy series started for Samsung, G2 can do the same for LG.
It's all marketing. People will buy anything shoved in their face.
I'm in Malaysia and my G2 is a Taiwan set since LG Malaysia doesn't care at all to launch this device here. Luckily lots of importer saw this opportunity to sell imported sets here.
Brand? LG seems to be doing well in other department. It's all about marketing really. I was in Aeon plaza the other day. People were all flocking in Samsung shop while Sony shop next door is empty.
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What a shame. This is such a great phone.
I agree that the problem is branding and marketing. Samsung marketing budget is insane.
I see LG commercials on TV all the time, plus the carriers seem to be pushing the phone. I guess it comes down to brand recognition and a bad reputation of being slow on updates..if any at all, they're headed down the right track if they keep the momentum going, 2014 could be a successful year for them.
I think the problem lies with the salespeople. When I was waiting for the Sprint variant to come out, I went to 5 different stores that sold cell phones (2 best buys, 2 AT&T stores, and a Sprint store.) Only one of them, of the five had a G2 on the display. There weren't any advertisements for the G2 (posters, nothing.) in 3 of the stores, and 2 of the stores the salespeople didn't even know what a G2 was.
The only store that had a demo unit was the second Best Buy I visited and when I went to pick up my device from them, they insisted I go with the Note 3. I just have to say, with Samsung being the standard, it's hard to fight against but LG's marketing is very weak here, at least in Jacksonville FL. Of course, all five stores I visited had Samsung ads plastered on every square inch of available space they had.
One thing: LG needs to dish out faster updates. Like Kitkat should come in Jan 2014 itself. All the trch websites are bound to pick up on that. Samsung nerds did good publicity for them and hence they are where they are. LG needs to make sure that whatever limited customer base they have gets the best service in terms of hardware and software.
Average buyers will follow soon.
1 For many people that know about the companies, it's the history of the updates. I was very hesitant because of that. That can be corrected if they push out updates and keep them coming for at least a couple android versions. Look at Samsung's reputation after the Moment. That phone was a pain in the arse and turned me off of Samsung. But they have definitely come back from that. LG can do the same by keeping this phone up to date.
1 For the general population is the timing. A LOT of people renewed their contracts with a HTC One, or the S4 or Note3. So they "couldn't" get the G2, because they don't want to pay full price.
Having a removable battery and an SDcard slot would have been a huge benefit.
Marketing would have helped a lot too, especially for companies like Sprint with the G2 being the first phone to support Sprint Spark. And for Verizon to advertise more about the wireless charging being built in.
For the comment about the sales people, at the Sprint store I went to, they highly recommended the G2 when I went in to compare the S4 and the G2.
I think it's due to the marketing of the device more so than the reputation of LG. I've seen maybe 5 G2 commercials on prime time TV shows. They need to sell the strengths of the phone, which to me is the speed and the huge battery. Only once have I completely drained the battery and that's because I was using it literally all day. If they sold it like the droids 48 hour battery life and mentioned the processor is on par with a new laptop people would be more interested. I think Samsung has cornered the market with the S4 because of their marketing. Don't they have a marketing budget of like $24 BILLION next year? It's hard to compete with something like that.
Personally, I'm always apprehensive about buying any sort of electronics device. I never want to get stuck with a lemon but sometimes it happens. The only thing I can do to try to avoid that is to read and watch reviews to get a better sense of whats out there. Sales people are generally going to do whats best for them. They want the commission. So that said, I almost didn't go with the G2 because the reviews were very negative. In retrospect, I can honestly say the reviews were incredibly unfair. But the average person might be swayed by them. Seriously, if Apple or Samsung put the volume and power button in the middle of the back of the phone it would be hailed as innovation. But LG did it and it was panned. The funny thing is, I don't think its nearly that big of a change as reviews made it out to be.
I think Post #2 hit the nail on the head.
LG really screwed over every previous owner with updates. And you can't say "oh the average user doesn't care about updates" is a big load of crap. People have been expecting updates ever since the first iPhone. This isn't 2005 where everyone has a flip dumbphone. EVERYONE looks for updates. Why do you think Samsung is so big now? Because everyone knows that Samsung will push 1-2 updates out to you and the software is quality. LG got the G2 right with software and hardware quality (no bugs or broken issues) but past LG phones have been notoriously known for having quirky bugs (reboot issues, overheating, GPS, etc) and never getting updated.
LG's previously history is so bad, that I am receiving Class Action Lawsuit papers in the mail on the LG G2x.
This hurts sales and it is nobodies fault except LG. This is exactly what happens when you don't take care of your customers (in any aspect; washer/dryer, tv, etc). I love the G2, as many do, but I really really really beat myself up over picking one up. I almost didn't do it just because it had LG on the front.
I can see LG has a winner with the G2. Their marketing team is doing a great job because I am seeing tons of commercials and ads for it. The name is getting out there and sales will probably be steady moving forward. But LG has to keep the ball moving with a steady stream of updates for the G2 or else they will be right back in the same "oh our sales numbers are low and we don't know why" category next generation.
Bad marketing and the name brand are the culprits.
An average Joe doesn't know and doesn't care about what inside the device, left alone which version of the OS. They don't know whether its 4.2.2 or 4.4.2. Average Joes don't care about the update, they just simply want to use the phone.
Samsung is too big in the market and overshadow the LG, not only in the the Android phone market but also in TV market.
It's the brand and marketing. Plane and simple. A name like galaxy sticks in your head. You hear droid... and you know what someone is talking about. G2? It doesn't stick in the mind. People like catchy. Also, Sammy slammed the crap out of iPhones in its commercials. The next big thing is already here. That's genius. Learning from you.. yawn lol. Why did the og droid do so well? Was it better then an iPhone at the time? No.. but it's ad campaign and branding was amazing. The idont commercial was one of the best ever.
When non android users ask me about my g2.. they say one of 2 things. Is that one of those galaxy phones or is that a droid phone?
When the galaxy nexus was first leaked, it was either the droid nexus or nexus prime. I was actually really bummed when it was called a galaxy because of how cool nexus prime sounded to me. Point is, I almost didn't buy it because of its name.
Branding matters....
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I think how its been marketed and not the quantity of ads. I've seen a ton of ads in southern California, but it's all about the back buttons and camera.
If they focused on how much of a beast it is, it might have turned a few more heads.
The droid 48 hour claim ain't nothing (good commercial though). I'm on hour 58 with 25% battery remaining.
It's a beast, sell it as such.
My $0.02
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They definitely need to push the battery more in their advertising. It's the only reason I got this over the Nexus 5!
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I think Post #2 hit the nail on the head.
LG really screwed over every previous owner with updates. And you can't say "oh the average user doesn't care about updates" is a big load of crap. People have been expecting updates ever since the first iPhone. This isn't 2005 where everyone has a flip dumbphone. EVERYONE looks for updates.
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This is simply not true. Out of EVERYONE I know with an Android phone, not a single one of them has EVER asked me how I like the new update, or when will we get an update. EVER. Those of us that know anything about upcoming updates are the rarity. We only know about them because of the sites we visit and participate in. Most likely a fraction of a % of the total smartphone universe.
Thanks Devs. From my VZW G2.
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This is simply not true. Out of EVERYONE I know with an Android phone, not a single one of them has EVER asked me how I like the new update, or when will we get an update. EVER. Those of us that know anything about upcoming updates are the rarity. We only know about them because of the sites we visit and participate in. Most likely a fraction of a % of the total smartphone universe.
Thanks Devs. From my VZW G2.
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My colleague has said this to me, "All I did is install an update and everything looks different."
I believe that people want to be on the latest software available to them, but don't have the slightest clue what's different between versions.
anyone else looked at this phone? seems like a decent replacement and not too small.
if not, what else are people moving onto?
given up on sony releasing
I'm just looking at nexus, blackberry if the rumors is true that they will move on to android, or the classic HTC.
HTC is probably the manufacturer you can't go wrong with. If you look at this part of the XDA forum..its filled with devs making roms and kernels.
I think s810 is just temporarily. Maybe next year there will be a new series of soc that won't overheat as this years release.
Its just the same as with the tegra 3. You could fry eggs on it. But HTC moved on and improved their devices. And I hope they will release another beast in the near future.
Huawei is enlarging their market on mobile devices but I think its to early to invest in one of those devices. I want there to be devs who makes roms so I don't have to rely only on the stock rom/firmware to work when something goes wrong. If that ever happens...who knows.
Samsung is a no go. They don't exist in my world. Last and only device I owned was the SII Exynos 4210. They make good electronics elsewhere but not mobile devices.
LG is also a no go. Only nexus. To much plastic, big LG logo and weird cheap looking software interface on stock rom. Reminds me of MIUI and Huawei.
SONY is moving from europe home to japan. Okay...weird. So then I just won't buy your stuff then. Bye..I will never buy a sony mobile device again.
When "I" am buying a device. I am only buying the flagships. Because I am looking for an investment that will last for many years and won't seem slow even after four years compared to newer devices. And also the general lifetime of the device. I want there to be devs here on the forum that I can rely on after device has reached the end-of-lifetime.
The Z ultra is a bit special. It has the same hardware specs as its brother Z1....so for performance I would still call this a kind of side show flagship despite the low spec camera.
i'#d be ok with sony if they would release an ultra 2 but it's too late now.
samsung, i liked until the whole locking SIMs to europe only or whatever around the time of the note 3 i tink, maybe 4.
moto x is brand new but there's some people on the board already. once it shows as rooted i'll jump on there. it's cheap as well actually. well cheaper than the ultra was when i bought it
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i'#d be ok with sony if they would release an ultra 2 but it's too late now.
samsung, i liked until the whole locking SIMs to europe only or whatever around the time of the note 3 i tink, maybe 4.
moto x is brand new but there's some people on the board already. once it shows as rooted i'll jump on there. it's cheap as well actually. well cheaper than the ultra was when i bought it
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I don't have any experience of motorola exept for the old classic pagers and radios. I've never seen a moto x in real life so I don't really have any opinion. Its offered at a good price yes! but yeah I really dunno. The only con I can see is the tiny battery at 2300mAh.
From what I can see its almost like some mix to a budget nexus device..almost stock rom and no bloat apps. :good:
Me myself is waiting to see what google has to offer. There is already a bunch of pics of the new nexus devices but I'm curiously waiting for the release event
3000 for the style no?
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3000 for the style no?
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oops ....I probably looked at the older model. You're right its 3000mAh!
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_x_style-7229.php
Then it looks alright!
gave me a scare there for a sec