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Hello,
I thought I already post it but I have searched for this question and have not found it
So,
I would like to use my athena as a voip phone.
All is working yet, but:
My wifi turn off when the screen does.
There must be an issue to force the wifi to stay on. I am not good in registry edition, but may I have some advice?
Where does power management is define?
Why bluetooth stays on despite the screen is off and the wifi does not?
I thank you and, sorry for my english!
The short answer is that this is not possible - WiFi is such a drain on the battery that it would run flat in aboit 2 hours if allowed to stay on.
The only workaround would be to keep the device connected to mains power, then disable all power saving; you may get away with using a screen blanking utility and then disabling power saving, but our previois tests suggest that even blanking the screen tutns WiFi off.
For reliable VOIP receiving, you should be using the 3G data connection.
Recently I disabled the best wi-fi performance option (I enabled it on accident while messing around with settings on launch day) which obviously increased my battery life dramatically by actually allowing my phone to go into deep sleep. But now I hit a new issue.
Before I go on, I want to state that I DID apply the SmartSync fix and that my data IS working while my phone is in deep sleep.
New emails I receive with Gmail app do not get pushed to my phone as they should. They are anywhere from 5-15 minutes late if they even show up at all. If I happen to turn my screen on, automatically I get the notification of new emails.
Is anyone else having this issue with Gmail or any other app? I find it strange that while I have data (wi-fi/3g) enabled and working with the screen off, emails still come in delayed.
Any help would be appreciated. I have searched around and most of the answers I came up with (regarding HTC devices like the One X) had to do with SmartSync messing up the connection or someone not having the notifications enabled. I'm at a loss 0.0
EDIT: I tested this with Google Talk had my main account up in Gmail and in another browser windows my other Gmail account. Added both of them, talked to my self, if my device screen was off, I would either get it 1-2 minutes late or not at all. Once I turned my screen back on, the notifications poured in. I also tried the same scenario with my main Gmail account logged off (in case it was canceling out the messages to my phone, which it wasn't) and I had the same outcome. I edited the title to reflect that this isn't a Gmail only issue.
EDIT 2: Did more tests, I tried turning Wi-Fi off completely and running the same tests as above to my surprise everything worked as expected. I initially thought it might be because of my 5Ghz Wi-Fi band, so I tried it all again on my 2.4Ghz channel -- had the same problems as before. Somehow the issue pertains to your screen being off and Wi-Fi being on.
EDIT 3: I just tried streaming Pandora and shutting the screen off (maybe WiFi WAS somehow shutting off) Pandora kept playing no problem. I messaged myself on Talk, got the notification right away. This is very bizarre 0.0 But it might confirm this only happens when the phone is in deep sleep mode... Still doesn't answer why it doesn't happen on 3G or why notifications sometimes still come through.
EDIT 4: Still no fix but I have discovered that for some reason if the screen is off ANY data doesn't go through. Let me explain better:
If I have some thing like Pandora running then it will continue to run once I shut my screen off. But if WiFi isn't being used and I turn my screen off and then lets say I try to connect to it with Cerberus or ping it from my PC or something it will not even though the router reports it as connected.
Very strange behavior.
This is interesting...maybe the wifi performance toggle is associated to the smartsync, and all?.....I will say that with it unchecked I am getting some really really good battery life here compared to previous phones....but I also notice at times when emails are not pushed till I wake the screen during the day....Also the fact my wifi doesn't automatically reconnect to my house when I get back from work till I wake the screen...little things like that...
Havent messed with the best performance setting but will try it today now...
Racer Of All said:
Recently I disabled the best wi-fi performance option (I enabled it on accident while messing around with settings on launch day) which obviously increased my battery life dramatically by actually allowing my phone to go into deep sleep. But now I hit a new issue.
Before I go on, I want to state that I DID apply the SmartSync fix and that my data IS working while my phone is in deep sleep.
New emails I receive with Gmail app do not get pushed to my phone as they should. They are anywhere from 5-15 minutes late if they even show up at all. If I happen to turn my screen on, automatically I get the notification of new emails.
Is anyone else having this issue with Gmail or any other app? I find it strange that while I have data (wi-fi/3g) enabled and working with the screen off, emails still come in delayed.
Any help would be appreciated. I have searched around and most of the answers I came up with (regarding HTC devices like the One X) had to do with SmartSync messing up the connection or someone not having the notifications enabled. I'm at a loss 0.0
EDIT: I tested this with Google Talk had my main account up in Gmail and in another browser windows my other Gmail account. Added both of them, talked to my self, if my device screen was off, I would either get it 1-2 minutes late or not at all. Once I turned my screen back on, the notifications poured in. I also tried the same scenario with my main Gmail account logged off (in case it was canceling out the messages to my phone, which it wasn't) and I had the same outcome. I edited the title to reflect that this isn't a Gmail only issue.
EDIT 2: Did more tests, I tried turning Wi-Fi off completely and running the same tests as above to my surprise everything worked as expected. I initially thought it might be because of my 5Ghz Wi-Fi band, so I tried it all again on my 2.4Ghz channel -- had the same problems as before. Somehow the issue pertains to your screen being off and Wi-Fi being on.
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Try installing this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.logicvoid.powersaversettings&hl=en and unchecking "put data connection to sleep." It may not solve the issue but its worth a shot.
Okay, I just tried streaming Pandora and shutting the screen off (maybe WiFi WAS somehow shutting off) Pandora kept playing no problem. I messaged myself on Talk, got the notification right away. This is very bizarre 0.0 But it might confirm this only happens when the phone is in deep sleep mode... Still doesn't answer why it doesn't happen on 3G or why notifications sometimes still come through.
njfoses said:
Try installing this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.logicvoid.powersaversettings&hl=en and unchecking "put data connection to sleep." It may not solve the issue but its worth a shot.
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Have it, and it is unchecked. That's the weird thing, wi fi doesn't actually turn all the way off because SOMETIMES I do get the push notifications (late, however).
sgt. slaughter said:
This is interesting...maybe the wifi performance toggle is associated to the smartsync, and all?.....I will say that with it unchecked I am getting some really really good battery life here compared to previous phones....but I also notice at times when emails are not pushed till I wake the screen during the day....Also the fact my wifi doesn't automatically reconnect to my house when I get back from work till I wake the screen...little things like that...
Havent messed with the best performance setting but will try it today now...
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Let me know if that works, if so at least I know I'm not the only one xD
Racer Of All said:
I DID apply the SmartSync fix
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what is the smart sync fix?
When I installed this app, my cpu reduction and frame rate reduction was enabled. Does that mean this is standard with this phone. Does using this app to disable those setting improve the performance?
Issue continued overnight, tried various other things and nothing seems to fix it. I want to get my notifications but I don't want to destroy my battery life xD is anyone else having this issue?
djscissorhands said:
what is the smart sync fix?
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This one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1697375&highlight=smartsync
I have the same problem on my 2nd evo as well after returning the 1st. Going to try a rom with the fix tomorrow. I'll report back with what I find. Hopefully I won't have to return again....
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AardvarkAttack said:
I have the same problem on my 2nd evo as well after returning the 1st. Going to try a rom with the fix tomorrow. I'll report back with what I find. Hopefully I won't have to return again....
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It's definitely not a hardware problem because if that was the case the phone wouldn't work with wi fi almost at all. My wi-fi connection is rock solid even when the screen is off, just for some reason it won't notify I have the messages until the screen gets turned on.
I did some tests on my gf's stock phone and she's having the same issues, I told her to do some tests on her parents wi-fi when she goes there. I wonder if sgt slaughter has any news.
Btw if you definitely need them on time and need to be on wi fi but don't care about battery life that much just enable best wi fi performance.
djscissorhands said:
what is the smart sync fix?
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Actually more like a Smart Sync break ... The built in settings/app put your data connections to sleep when your phone goes to deep sleep; this is done to save battery when phone not in use for extended period.
Some folks hate losing the data connections so a flashable "fix" is available for the "problem" ... Look around; you'll find it
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its a sense problem, there's a thread in the one x forums on how to fix it. I'll post when I get home if I can find it. it shuts down to a 'power save' mode after a while plus after midnight or 11 or something.
Just wanted to update that I installed a custom rom that contains the WiFi fix mentioned and although my WiFi doesn't seem to drop how it did before (at least after one day) my notifications are anywhere between 4-10 minutes late on average through WiFi. This seems to be across the board for Exchange email, Gmail & Google Voice.
AardvarkAttack said:
Just wanted to update that I installed a custom rom that contains the WiFi fix mentioned and although my WiFi doesn't seem to drop how it did before (at least after one day) my notifications are anywhere between 4-10 minutes late on average through WiFi. This seems to be across the board for Exchange email, Gmail & Google Voice.
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Yes my setup also had the wi-fi fix, I can even see my phone connected to the router when the screen is off, the connection is strong.
I had a suspicion it was probably the basic transfer rate of the browser and for some reason I could not adjust this on my fancy 100 dollar router with dd-wrt flashed onto it so I set up a repeater with my older router on stock settings. It seems like the notifications are coming through better now (albeit not instantly) but at least I don't have to turn my screen on every time. It might be a placebo effect or just luck (because at times it does work even with my other router).
EDIT: Ignore the italicized sentence. It was just a stroke of luck, the problem came back.
I'm out of ideas at this point xD
I am having a similar issue as well.
I am rooted and running Fresh Evo LTE 5.1.1 which has the "Disabled SmartSync deep sleep mode" already installed. I also leave my WiFi off (for the same reason as the OP outlines - messages are just plain not arriving or if they do it's after I turn the screen on).
I use gtalk as my primary form of communication on my phone and what seems to be happening is messages from my two closest friends are never arriving. It's hit or miss but seems to be ~45mins after my screen turns off that they send a message and I never get it. One is on Sprint on my family plan and the other is on Verizon. The weird thing is that if I look in my gmail > conversations the messages aren't there either.
I haven't been able to verify any SMS messages that I haven't received but I have noticed that my email notifications seemed a bit wonky but this issue may be fixed with changing my "push" hours (which is retarded to have factory set to only push email between 8am - 8pm).
Question for the smart kids in the class: When does the phone reach "deep sleep"? Is it around ~45mins after the screen turns off?
batgrrlx said:
I am having a similar issue as well.
I am rooted and running Fresh Evo LTE 5.1.1 which has the "Disabled SmartSync deep sleep mode" already installed. I also leave my WiFi off (for the same reason as the OP outlines - messages are just plain not arriving or if they do it's after I turn the screen on).
I use gtalk as my primary form of communication on my phone and what seems to be happening is messages from my two closest friends are never arriving. It's hit or miss but seems to be ~45mins after my screen turns off that they send a message and I never get it. One is on Sprint on my family plan and the other is on Verizon. The weird thing is that if I look in my gmail > conversations the messages aren't there either.
I haven't been able to verify any SMS messages that I haven't received but I have noticed that my email notifications seemed a bit wonky but this issue may be fixed with changing my "push" hours (which is retarded to have factory set to only push email between 8am - 8pm).
Question for the smart kids in the class: When does the phone reach "deep sleep"? Is it around ~45mins after the screen turns off?
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I also have the dual core mod which I BELIEVE sets my deep sleep right away which is probably why I have the problem more often than you do. One question just so we can start gathering facts large scale, if you're on 3G do you have the problem still? What if you turn 'best wi-fi performance'?
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I also have the dual core mod which I BELIEVE sets my deep sleep right away which is probably why I have the problem more often than you do. One question just so we can start gathering facts large scale, if you're on 3G do you have the problem still? What if you turn 'best wi-fi performance'?
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Correct - I have this problem on 3G. I run on only 3G because the problem is more prevalent on WiFi, but still very common on only 3G.
Currently I have "best wifi performance" turned off. Do you want me to test with it on or off?
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Correct - I have this problem on 3G. I run on only 3G because the problem is more prevalent on WiFi, but still very common on only 3G.
Currently I have "best wifi performance" turned off. Do you want me to test with it on or off?
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On. When I turn it on it pretty much eliminates the issue, it acts just like 3G. But for me 3G is almost perfect (a couple seconds of delay but I can deal with that). Remember though that if you leave it ticked on it will destroy your battery life.
WiFi is on, best WiFi performance is on as well.. I'll run it this way a couple of days and see if I can replicate the problem.
I just wanted to say that I've been having similar issues. I have tried turning on best wifi performance, but I don't think that is helping. For one thing, when I have that turned on, when I wake the phone, the wifi is often times not connected, and it shows 3G. Then it will connect to wifi shortly after I wake the phone. On top of that, I'm still not getting notifications on time. I was notified of an email when I woke the phone that actually came in 10 minutes earlier. Hopefully HTC/Sprint is aware and working on a fix.
Still no fix but I have discovered that for some reason if the screen is off ANY data doesn't go through. Let me explain better:
If I have some thing like Pandora running then it will continue to run once I shut my screen off. But if WiFi isn't being used and I turn my screen off and then lets say I try to connect to it with Cerberus or ping it from my PC or something it will not even though the router reports it as connected.
Very strange behavior.
Please explain me, I just dont understand the settings. What's the difference between 3 options: always, only when plugged in, never? I see that regardless of either option WIFI stays on during sleep. It is clearly seen from statistics. So what's the use of it?
Come on people, I can't believe nobody cares. Did I ask something stupid?
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Come on people, I can't believe nobody cares. Did I ask something stupid?
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well perhaps no one have seen your post.
anyway, i just saw that feature a while ago, and i think what it means is:
when your phone screen turns off (your phone is asleep because you're not using it), wifi connection gets disconnected -- to conserve battery.
the options are:
always (default) - will keep wifi connection turned on, no matter what
only wen plugged in - well, wifi connection will keep on ONLY when the device is plugged in.
never (increases data usage) - as soon as the device sleeps, it will disconnect from wifi, and possibly conneted to data network, hence the warning.
Moonsower said:
Please explain me, I just dont understand the settings. What's the difference between 3 options: always, only when plugged in, never? I see that regardless of either option WIFI stays on during sleep. It is clearly seen from statistics. So what's the use of it?
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1. Always on even if screen is off (DS WiFi ON)
2. Only when charging WiFi is still on (DS WiFi ON while connected to USB or AC charger and DS WiFi OFF when disconnected from external power source)
3. Never online while in deep sleep - disconnecting WiFi in Deep Sleep (DS WiFi OFF)
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Dear friends. Thank you for your replies but I suspect you didn't get the point. Again, regardless of one of these three settings WiFi is still ON during sleep. Try to set it to "never" (given that global WiFi switch is on of course, thus it should go to sleep along with device), disable your mobile data and run Skype for example. After your phone has fallen asleep you still online in Skype and available to receive calls. You're still on WIFI! It doesn't switch off when phone sleeps!
I know this is an old thread but did you manage to figure this out? This has recently been bugging me too. Thanks!
If wifi doesn't disconnect when it's set to "never", maybe your phone doesn't go to deep sleep properly.
It'd be good if we could read somewhere what this "deep sleep" really is..
Moonsower said:
It'd be good if we could read somewhere what this "deep sleep" really is..
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Google it is always the best .
jje
jnr21 said:
If wifi doesn't disconnect when it's set to "never", maybe your phone doesn't go to deep sleep properly.
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I agree! phone may not go in deep sleep even after switching off screen.
And also also this question is really not stupid, but I say google is stupid, that he assume we have a data plan active always. I have wifi at home and office, so am not activating data plan. So I was having the same question/confusion about this option!
Keep wifi on during sleep -> never, so how come it increase data usage?? data means not data transferred through wifi but sim card internet!! Ha ha ha..
Google should clarify it that when phone is connected to wifi, it will not use sim card internet, but if wifi is off and mobile data plan is active, android will use sim card internet.
Also I'd like to add that wifi signal itself is not eating much memory, but in most of case, fb/gmail/google+/twitter etc which are always internet crazy (hungry) will not let your phone asleep. and they eat memory. if wifi is off then we can have two option, 3G and 2G phone internet. 3G signals eat more battery, and 2G internet use more battery because of slow speed.
Background activities option came in picture with invention of smart phone, but always misused by google+ and facebook!!!!
I always hate fb android app, it is too slow in 2G and surfing site in Opera mini is way too fast and handy, anyway that was my taste.
Take a look at green power app as this handles 3g/WiFi connectivity very well. Much better than juice defender
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I have both of these setting turned on, but for some reason the bluetooth discoverability will dissapear every few hours for a few minutes, and the wifi seams to go to sleep after a certain amount of time (hours) after the screen is off. I imagine, particularly with the wifi that this might be done to conserve battery.
The reason I know this is that I use the phones bluetooth discoverability to determine whether or not I am at home or away, and trigger events accordingly through my home automation software. When the bluetooth mac address of my phone is not found to be present, a ping is sent through wifi as a fallback. However both are failing according to the logs. (not to mention all my lights and electonics turning off while watching a movie, or even worse the lights and electronics turning on at two in the morning as if I had just arrived home when actually I was asleep in bed)
I didn't have this problem with my OG EVO 4g, and so I am hoping there is a hidden setting or even maybe an app available that will hold these setting to do what they say, and not just use them as a suggestion. I understand the battery trade-off.
Edit: I am on a CM10 ROM, so I do not have smart sync
Well go to advanced in the WiFi and Bluetooth setting. And you'll see what to do when you get there
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Well go to advanced in the WiFi and Bluetooth setting. And you'll see what to do when you get there
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I already know what to do there (as is pointed out in the title of the topic), those are both enabled.
Something that has been annoying me since the day I bought the tablet (LTE SPG 521)
When the tablet has been idle for a while, the WiFi turns itself off.
So whenever I pick it up without thinking, open chrome to start web browsing, I am connected to internet, and things are fine until I realise that I have been using 3G instead of WiFi.
Most of the time I need to go into shortcut quick access from pulling down top right corner and turn WiFi on.
Sometimes I need to go into WiFi settings and turn it on, even though the quick access shortcut says WiFi is on.
I do have stamina mode on, but have disabled every other power saving feature related to WiFi. In fact it is the same setting on my Z Ultra and Z1 Compact, but needless to say, I do not see this behaviour on my other sony devices.
But somehow on the tablet, WiFi does not auto connect, even in presence of a WiFi router that is set for auto connect.
Even If I was using the particular access point for WiFi connection, lets say I play games for about 30 minutes... the connection is lost and I need to go into WiFi settings to turn it on again (with the small slide to the right toggle switch within WiFi settings to turn on WiFi itself).
Anyone else experiencing this?
I would rather avoid it, since over usage on 3G for me means speed throttling later in the month...
P.S. Yes, I am on latest firmware 17.1.A.2.69
On Advanced WiFi, Keep wifi on during sleep is set to ALWAYS., avoid poor connection is turned OFF, and Wifi optimization is also OFF
Factory reset it? That's probably the first thing they tell you to do if you approach the technicians, if the problem still persist then demand for an exchange if not refund it.
I'd just bought mine today and unfortunately the bottom right corner the glass sticks out and it is pushable. I'm going to exchange it tmr.
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Thanks for the idea, but no luck.
In any case each time I upgraded firmware, it should have sorted itself out, but problem still remains...
"Factory reset" is always the first "solution" you get by "technicians". Usually translates to: "Keeps the customer occupied for hours, silencing him."
Regarding the issue: I cannot confirm that, NO WLAN issues with my LTE Z2, it's just "always on", never losing the connection.
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"Factory reset" is always the first "solution" you get by "technicians". Usually translates to: "Keeps the customer occupied for hours, silencing him."
Regarding the issue: I cannot confirm that, NO WLAN issues with my LTE Z2, it's just "always on", never losing the connection.
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Do you have stamina mode ON?
With my other Xperias, the second I turn my screen on, the wifi is off/sleeping, but it launches and connects almost instantaneously. I guess the problem in my tablet is that it is not doing so, requiring me to do it manually...
I thought the FW for the tablet and the phone Z2 was the same? Maybe I should go and look in the forums over there...
I don't have the problem, either.
UPDATE
Problem Solved.
The cause was ad blocker app that I had installed, and it seems to me that whenever I was using certain apps that needed ad-blocking, all this thing would do is turn wifi off (but not 3g/LTE)
How Dumb is that?
Anyways, Wifi now always on even with stamina mode on.
Thanks for all who listened and threw suggestions!
Thanks
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UPDATE
Problem Solved.
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Thank you very much for sharing this with us. Too many others just keep silent if they found the reason of their problems.