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Background: I've flashed with DCD's 3.0.4 rom, Verizon XV6800. ArcSoft MMS 5.0.31.11 running.
Question: How can you tell on this if an SMS text you send is read by the recipient? Honestly, I couldn't even figure that out when the phone was stock. I know on this version of ArcSoft MMS there's actually a checkbox for delivery and read reports in the MMS Options...but I only get a delivery report when sending an MMS (not a SMS message) and even THEN I can't tell when it has been read.
Is it just not possible? Older phones show a little D or a checkmark by the message when it's read...how about our flashier PPC's? Anyone know?
Older phones show a little D or a checkmark by the message when it's read...how about our flashier PPC's? Anyone know?
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The D or checkmark does not indicate if the message has been read, rather it indicates if the message was received by the recipient's handset. For example, if the recipient had their phone off, the checkmark would not appear until they turned it on and the message was delivered to their phone.
gcincotta said:
The D or checkmark does not indicate if the message has been read, rather it indicates if the message was received by the recipient's handset. For example, if the recipient had their phone off, the checkmark would not appear until they turned it on and the message was delivered to their phone.
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Any way to get that? or to check somewhere and see if the message has been delivered?
Any way to get that? or to check somewhere and see if the message has been delivered?
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Yes there is a way, but there are cons. It either clutters your inbox, or you are forced to delete a message everytime you send one.
Navigate to HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Settings and change DisableSMSDeliveryReceipt to 0 and change SMSDeliveryNotify to 1 and soft reset.
Give it a try, if it annoys you, to go back to normal, just flip flop them.
gcincotta said:
Yes there is a way, but there are cons. It either clutters your inbox, or you are forced to delete a message everytime you send one.
Navigate to HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Settings and change DisableSMSDeliveryReceipt to 0 and change SMSDeliveryNotify to 1 and soft reset.
Give it a try, if it annoys you, to go back to normal, just flip flop them.
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if youve got threaded sms, woulndt it store it all on one thread?
I dont actually know how or what it does, but just a thought...
thanks, will give it a try though.
gcincotta said:
The D or checkmark does not indicate if the message has been read, rather it indicates if the message was received by the recipient's handset. For example, if the recipient had their phone off, the checkmark would not appear until they turned it on and the message was delivered to their phone.
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I was going by a friend who has Verizon and a Motorola phone and he claims that when his texts are read by recipients that it places a checkmark on his phone. Your point makes sense though.
Back to the original question however...what about on our XV6800's? Is there any way to tell when an SMS is read?
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The D or checkmark does not indicate if the message has been read, rather it indicates if the message was received by the recipient's handset. For example, if the recipient had their phone off, the checkmark would not appear until they turned it on and the message was delivered to their phone.
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Actually most phones have a delivered and a read notification. like on my girlfriends u740 it'll have the delivered time and then the read time below it. I used to have a blackberry and it would put a check if it was delivered and a check+D if it was read. I'd love to have this feature but i don't think anyone has found a workaround yet
Actually most phones have a delivered and a read notification. like on my girlfriends u740 it'll have the delivered time and then the read time below it. I used to have a blackberry and it would put a check if it was delivered and a check+D if it was read. I'd love to have this feature but i don't think anyone has found a workaround yet
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Again, these times are NOT when the person actually reads the message. They lead you to believe that that's the case when it is not. In the case of your friend's phone, the delivered time is actually the time that the message was relayed from the network to the recipient, and the read time is the time when the handset actually receives the message. The message could sit in the recipient's Inbox for 3 weeks unread and you would never know the difference. Nevertheless, this feature does not exist on windows mobile devices and the only workaround is getting a message from System Administrator telling you the message was sent successful every time you send one. Messages from System Administrator are NOT threaded.
Example: I turn notify on and send a message but I don't have service. The message looks like it goes through on my end, but until I receive the System Administrator notification, it technically hasn't been received yet. Like I said, this clutters the Inbox with all those messages as they are not threaded, or you can delete the notification after every time you send a message. This is the only way to achieve something like this.
but even if it is succesfully sent, does that indicate receipt of the message? do you get notification when u have succesfully sent the message, even if the recipient has their phone off?
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Again, these times are NOT when the person actually reads the message. They lead you to believe that that's the case when it is not. In the case of your friend's phone, the delivered time is actually the time that the message was relayed from the network to the recipient, and the read time is the time when the handset actually receives the message. The message could sit in the recipient's Inbox for 3 weeks unread and you would never know the difference.
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So I tested this and on her u740 she sent me a message and i received it like 10 secs later and it showed delivered at that time. I waited about an hour and opened the message(even though I could read it when it came through) and closed out of my texts which got rid of the notification and it added delivered 10 mins later.
I'm pretty sure this is only a verizon thing and almost every verizon non windows phone is capable of this feature. Also verizon only charges for text messages that are read from the handset if you don't have unlimited texts which is prob why they have this feature.
Maybe it's not a feature available on our phones but It is possible to have.
So I tested this and on her u740 she sent me a message and i received it like 10 secs later and it showed delivered at that time. I waited about an hour and opened the message(even though I could read it when it came through) and closed out of my texts which got rid of the notification and it added delivered 10 mins later.
I'm pretty sure this is only a verizon thing and almost every verizon non windows phone is capable of this feature. Also verizon only charges for text messages that are read from the handset if you don't have unlimited texts which is prob why they have this feature.
Maybe it's not a feature available on our phones but It is possible to have.
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Ok well I thought we were talking about straight SMS with no EMS application extension (which is the feature you're referring to).
I'll explain a little about the SMS system.
You get the D notification when it is a subscriber within your network (i.e. Verizon to Verizon as you've been testing), it has to do with a specific signature flag that is triggered from within that network and does not cross networks.
The check mark means the cell tower has received and cached the message on the tower server for queuing to be transmitted. Once the SMS message has left queuing and goes to transit, which means it has left the tower's local server and has been sent to the carrier message manager (or out to a different network), then the D appears saying the message has been delivered. This really means "message has been delivered to the network" not necessarily to the recipient's device. Most of the time it happens so fast it usually hits the person's handset roughly within 3-5 seconds which coincidentally is the same time the queue server will send you the D flag to notify you it's been delivered. It's a pretty accurate indicator, but is completely unrelated. This D does not indicate when the message was read. In some instances, the person's handset can be off and you'll still get the D.
The times and updated times you're seeing on the u740 is part of the Enhanced Messaging Service, or EMS, application extension to SMS. The u740 is an EMS capable device, which is why you're seeing these updates. Windows Mobile devices are NOT EMS capable, which is why you'll never see this feature, nor will you see any workaround or fix. The only way you'll be able to get this feature is if you ditch your Titan for an EMS capable non smart phone, or if in the future they decide to make WM EMS capable.
Hopefully this clears up the confusion a little.
GC
gcincotta said:
Ok well I thought we were talking about straight SMS with no EMS application extension (which is the feature you're referring to).
I'll explain a little about the SMS system.
You get the D notification when it is a subscriber within your network (i.e. Verizon to Verizon as you've been testing), it has to do with a specific signature flag that is triggered from within that network and does not cross networks.
The check mark means the cell tower has received and cached the message on the tower server for queuing to be transmitted. Once the SMS message has left queuing and goes to transit, which means it has left the tower's local server and has been sent to the carrier message manager (or out to a different network), then the D appears saying the message has been delivered. This really means "message has been delivered to the network" not necessarily to the recipient's device. Most of the time it happens so fast it usually hits the person's handset roughly within 3-5 seconds which coincidentally is the same time the queue server will send you the D flag to notify you it's been delivered. It's a pretty accurate indicator, but is completely unrelated. This D does not indicate when the message was read. In some instances, the person's handset can be off and you'll still get the D.
The times and updated times you're seeing on the u740 is part of the Enhanced Messaging Service, or EMS, application extension to SMS. The u740 is an EMS capable device, which is why you're seeing these updates. Windows Mobile devices are NOT EMS capable, which is why you'll never see this feature, nor will you see any workaround or fix. The only way you'll be able to get this feature is if you ditch your Titan for an EMS capable non smart phone, or if in the future they decide to make WM EMS capable.
Hopefully this clears up the confusion a little.
GC
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Ok, so in essence you are saying that the ability to know when an SMS message is read does not exist, even with EMS capabilities. Why, on Windows Mobile phones, does the ArcSoft MMS Composer give a checkbox to Allow Read Reports for MMS Messages as if that is a feature that works, yet I haven't even seen that work for MMS messages either? Is that just because Verizon's network doesn't support read reports/receipts? I would think that there would be a way of knowing when a message is read (much like read receipts in Outlook, although the recipient has the option to not send the read receipt, but that's neither here nor there).
EMS phones have read reports, but apparently we don't have an EMS phone
EMS phones have read reports, but apparently we don't have an EMS phone
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You are correct.
I was doing a little research on the capabilities of EMS and MMS, and came across something interesting in the wikipedia listing for EMS:
EMS is an intermediate technology, between SMS and MMS, providing some of the features of MMS. EMS is a technology that is designed to work with existing networks, but may ultimately be made obsolete by MMS.
What's perplexing there is that we know EMS is an extension to SMS, and it is saying that EMS is intermediate to MMS...so why doesn't MMS include all SMS and EMS capabilities?
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What's perplexing there is that we know EMS is an extension to SMS, and it is saying that EMS is intermediate to MMS...so why doesn't MMS include all SMS and EMS capabilities?
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it does, but the carrier must choose to configure the mms client and mms server to support those capabilities.
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... Windows Mobile devices are NOT EMS capable, which is why you'll never see this feature, nor will you see any workaround or fix. The only way you'll be able to get this feature is if you ditch your Titan for an EMS capable non smart phone, or if in the future they decide to make WM EMS capable.
Hopefully this clears up the confusion a little.
GC
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apparently at some point MS and VZ planned on ems in wm- the press releases from the 6700 mention ems:
http://news.vzw.com/news/2006/01/pr2006-01-04b.html
but a bit more current:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa919404.aspx
seems wm 6 has a regedit to allow ems.
anyone made progress getting ems to work with wm6 (or 6.1) on vz?
Reception at my house is horrible and I'm not getting messages until I leave the area..... however when i send them.. The recipient gets then right away.... Why? And is there a way to force the phone to check for sms waiting to be received? Maybe through my wifi?
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No MMS via external networks.
Verizon uses something called "split DNS" so that you can't even get a successful DNS lookup (IP Address) of the hosts mentioned in your phone's APNs if your only active interface is the WiFi I/F - but if you look up them up via the Mobile Network I/F, you can find them.
If VZW does that, then it's also highly likely that they perform ingress route-filtering in the IP layer. You can't contact VZW's MMS servers "from the outside world" - only from Verizon's own network. (Your phone's Mobile Network I/F has an IP address assigned within one of VZW's blocks of addresses).
Presumably this is done to prevent free-loading, spamming, or DoS attackes on MMS servers from networks outside of Verizon's own.
In any event, no MMS via WiFi.
bftb0
PS As for the asymmetry in delay between sending and receiving at your location via the Mobile Network - no clues.
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Reception at my house is horrible and I'm not getting messages until I leave the area..... however when i send them.. The recipient gets then right away.... Why? And is there a way to force the phone to check for sms waiting to be received? Maybe through my wifi?
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using google voice helps. i have the same problem at my house and i just use google voice
GV is probably the best bet
There is another one called text plus. Stay away from that one. My brother in law went to Europe and used that app although it worked it was like a half an hour wait to get messages. I figured there is a lot of "routing" but from home I had the app installed on my wifes and my phones. In the same house connected to the same network of course it was like 20 minutes to receive the message
So as much as I love Google voice alot of times it won't send my messages or I receive them really delayed.... I'd like to be able to receive these texts as regulars texts and just use the gvoice app for VM... Any ideas on what to do here? However I like that now gvoice is integrated with my phone that when I do send regular texts they come from my gvoice number
Strangely I can't seem to find a setting for that at all.
I think the reason you're getting delayed texts is because you're in an area where you have aren't getting a data connection, and when that happens I've found that your messages don't send and you won't receive your messages until way later, unless you manually hit refresh after you internet access again.
Unfortunately I haven't tried this myself because I enjoy using GV for texts, but you could try reinstalling the app. I know that during the first time you start it, there's a setup which asks if you want to integrate it and all these other things. Hopefully it will give you that option again when you reinstall it. Other than that, I don't really see any options that would let you disable texts alone.
I haven't found that setting either. Google voice is awesome and all but I had to remove because of the delayed texts.
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Go on the GV website. In the top-right corner you will see your phone number, click on it. That takes you to the settings page. There you will see a section that says "Forward Calls To" and you will see your number with Sprint/GV integrated next to it. Click edit under your number there and select "Receive text messages on this phone." You might have to stop the GV app from notifying you.
I did this and now I can walk around with data off (AMAZING battery life) and still send/receive texts through the sense messaging app (Sprint network instead of data connection). They still get archived by Google so Sprint must be forwarding them to Google.
I actually have to use the app. At my college campus I have absolutely no service at all. But the campus has a canpus-wide WiFi signal so I use that to send me texts...I really hope sprint can get some service over here
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Does anyone know how to block all incoming sms messages summarily?Aside of freezing the application itself via TB that is.I am travelling overseas and don't want to run a huge bill from the dozens of junk messages that keep coming inspite of DND activation.
Airplane mode?
or https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smsBlocker
The thing with call blockers is, the message still comes through it just doesn't show it to you, AFAIK. So if you've contacted your carrier to disable sms and are still getting SMS something is wrong.
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Airplane mode?
or https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smsBlocker
The thing with call blockers is, the message still comes through it just doesn't show it to you, AFAIK. So if you've contacted your carrier to disable sms and are still getting SMS something is wrong.
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these apps only relieve you from the nuisance part----I am looking at these simply not being delivered to my number in order to save on the astronomical rates charged by cos like Vodafone in India when the subscriber is roaming internationally.......blood suckers,all of them!Thanks all the same.
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these apps only relieve you from the nuisance part----I am looking at these simply not being delivered to my number in order to save on the astronomical rates charged by cos like Vodafone in India when the subscriber is roaming internationally.......blood suckers,all of them!Thanks all the same.
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I don't know whether it will work or not.. Try deleting the message center number
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In message settings you can turn off push for messages when roaming which soles your problem
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I'm having an ongoing problem communicating via text with more than one recipient at one time. I am running Stock (rooted Oreo), have tried numerous texting apps (Message, Pulse, Signal, etc) If I copy two people, it sometimes takes forever to send out the text. And quite often when one of the recipients replies back, I do not see it or it arrives much much later, or they squirt onto my phone all at once. Am on T-Mo and use wifi calling. Any ideas? I use my phone for work, so solid communication is required with my tech out in the field.
I have used Messages (Google's replacement for the stock messaging app) and Hangouts for multiple-person texting for years with no issues. I didn't see you mentioned these, so I wanted to mention it. I'm on stock rooted VS996 on TotalWireless.
As mentioned, I have used Messages, Pulse, Signal , they all seem to suffer from this same issue. If I go in settings, and disable combine group texts, the individual ones get to recipients, but then that defeats the purpose of using multiple texts. The two people I most often text with use Apple phones, unsure if that is a factor. very frustrating when trying to work from home & run service department. I thought Google closed Hangouts?
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I thought Google closed Hangouts?
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Not yet. I use it every day, as does my wife.
Ahh, crapple... that's likely the problem. Crapple loves to do non-standard crap, and that may be issue you're facing. Their incompetence makes SMS group texting impossible (because they suck at using standards).
That said, apparently you may be able to force MMS on your Android, to work around their idiocy: https://joyofandroid.com/group-messaging-android/
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Ahh, crapple... that's likely the problem. Crapple loves to do non-standard crap, and that may be issue you're facing. Their incompetence makes SMS group texting impossible (because they suck at using standards).
That said, apparently you may be able to force MMS on your Android, to work around their idiocy: https://joyofandroid.com/group-messaging-android/
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Indeed Crapple. Checked out the link, but it seems that I already have these settings in place. (Messages and Pulse are the two I switch between) Trying Textra now. Thank you for posting this
Do your MMS work? I haven't had a video gif work in Messages in a year!
I can text gifs. I support our two service techs out in the field, and we text each other all day. So I text them both some info, or a question to answer or whatever. It may take up to a minute for the app to show my text has been sent. Then I don't hear anything back from either guy. So I retext hey did you see my earlier text? Then they will reply, yes, and I answered you. But I do not have any response. Then later on, suddenly it get several texts squirt thru all at once, minutes or hours later. They both have iPhones. Here at home, wifi calling is the only way for me to use my phone as we have horrible signal at the house.
Yes, MMS works for me in Messages just fine. I also get them on my work phone (Moto Z3) from iPhone users, too. No issues whatsoever...
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Yes, MMS works for me in Messages just fine. I also get them on my work phone (Moto Z3) from iPhone users, too. No issues whatsoever...
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I wonder what the heck is wrong with my service? Anyone on Verizon with the US99820h not getting MMS to animate? Mine literally just come in as blurry pictures and tapping it does nothing.
@christoophat: Do you have Battery Saver or Data Saver enabled? If so, turn them off.
But if you have poor cell signal at home (I am familiar with that predicament) then SMS (including MMS) will always be spotty.
You can get a Google Voice number and use that instead: It all goes through data (WiFi or Mobile data) for calls as well as messages. I'd do that in your case.
You'll have to give your coworkers the Google Voice number instead of your current mobile number. Behind the scenes you can (optionally) route incoming and/or outgoing calls through your mobile number instead of using data. But certainly at home just let it use data.
In the old days, you'd use the Hangouts app to do Google Voice messaging and calls. I still do. But today you're probably better off using the Google Voice app, which has everything built in.
Edit: I should have mentioned that you can also port your current number to Google Voice if you don't want to give your coworkers a different number. But that will terminate your current mobile carrier account. And it can sometimes take a day or two to go through.
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@christoophat: Do you have Battery Saver or Data Saver enabled? If so, turn them off.
But if you have poor cell signal at home (I am familiar with that predicament) then SMS (including MMS) will always be spotty.
You can get a Google Voice number and use that instead: It all goes through data (WiFi or Mobile data) for calls as well as messages. I'd do that in your case.
You'll have to give your coworkers the Google Voice number instead of your current mobile number. Behind the scenes you can (optionally) route incoming and/or outgoing calls through your mobile number instead of using data. But certainly at home just let it use data.
In the old days, you'd use the Hangouts app to do Google Voice messaging and calls. I still do. But today you're probably better off using the Google Voice app, which has everything built in.
Edit: I should have mentioned that you can also port your current number to Google Voice if you don't want to give your coworkers a different number. But that will terminate your current mobile carrier account. And it can sometimes take a day or two to go through.
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Battery saver is always off. I set up a Google Voice number to try out with my techs to see if that does any better. Many thanks for your response. I am lucky to get one bar here at home (null zone)
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Battery saver is always off. I set up a Google Voice number to try out with my techs to see if that does any better. Many thanks for your response. I am lucky to get one bar here at home (null zone)
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A great benefit of Google Voice is that you can make/receive calls and send/receive messages on any number of devices, including right inside Gmail on your computer. I write most messages this way because I prefer a real keyboard and selecting/editing with a mouse. I also do a fair number of calls this way. My PC has a wired connection which means lower latency than WiFi.
We also have Ring Central phone app, but it's used mostly for client only communication, so I can keep personal phone number separate. But you can't do multiple texts to anyone outside Groups (people who also have RC on their phones), so that is limiting.
Hah, I didn't realize the Google Voice is a separate app now that I will use to text. Will try this out & see if it does a better job. Thanks again