Gamepad question - G Tablet Accessories

Hey everyone! I'd like to start out saying this is the most awsome close knit community I've seen on the web. I love all the hard work roe and the boys are doing and the group In general. Hopefully I'll be joining the ranks of owners of the best bang for the buck tablet currently on the market come Christmas day.
Now for the question. Is there/will there be a way to use a USB gamepad on this device? I'd love to get my mario on while waiting on flights. I understand we can use a keyboard for this at the moment so I'm more interested in gamepads.
Thanks for the help and merry Xmas, happy holidays, and bah humbugs for all you scrooges out ther.

No gamepads currently work through USB, except bluetooth Wii controller being an exception )but not usb so really not an exception). Be neat if there was a gamepad that used standard keyboard codes.
I have had no luck with bluetooth Wii controllers, so maybe only on Vegan rom.

I was wondering about this as well. I read somewhere they were trying to sync a PS3 controller too. i have a sweet USB Original NES controller I would love to play some NESOID with.

Got wii working on tnt 3.1. Just installed wii remote from market.

Wii mote and classic controller work - using wiimote app in the app market.. tnt lite, vegan, and cm6.1 all support it
Granted not usb controller - but I like the wireless option anyhow.. I carry the wiimote + classic controller in the case with my tab.

Wouldn't it be possible to get USB Gamepads working by adding it to the kernel?

KnightCrusader said:
Wouldn't it be possible to get USB Gamepads working by adding it to the kernel?
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Oh man, I'm salivating at the idea of using XBox 360 controllers on this thing!

I too would love to see some development on using a USB Gamepad with the G-Tablet as well.

I'd also love to see USB gamepad support!

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[Q] Bluetooth controller (for games)?

Hey guys,
This isn't really specific to the Transformer itself, but kinda specific to HC. I figured with all the awesome emulators available for Android and how awesome they run on Tegra 2 (N64oid works great!), I'd try to find a nice bluetooth controller that works with Android.
Specifically I'd like one with analog sticks. Not sure if a good driver has been written yet for this, but if so, I figured someone on here would know.
The best setup I've found so far from my research would be to use a WiiMote with a Classic controller pro plugged into it. That setup might be a bit expensive though (~$40). I own Xbox 360 and PS3 controllers already, so I was hoping there would be a solution for one of those two (but not looking likely from my research).
Here is my ideal setup: Transformer + emulators (n64oid, snesoid, etc.) + HDMI cable + bluetooth controller = a bunch of old school consoles that can run on a portable machine that can be connected to a TV and also that has a wireless controller
Try this one http://us.codejunkies.com/Products/Wii-Wireless-Retro-Controller___EF000622.aspx
I use "wiimote controller" app. available on market for free, with classic controller plugged into wiimote. You can then use snesoid etc. to setup the buttons.
Played mario kart and zelda on snesoid using the dpad and the usual buttons but not sure if analog controllers work as have not tried them yet. Don't see why they shouldn't though.
Have a look at this..http://www.roms4droid.com/wii.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHFRbQKnrfg
^^^ That seems to me like the best setup. You can get an older edition of the wiimote for ~$20 and Amazon sells the Classic Controller Pro for I think ~$15 right now.
The controller I posted above is just like the classic pro but without the need to tether it to the wiimote.
daweiteh said:
The controller I posted above is just like the classic pro but without the need to tether it to the wiimote.
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But will that sync with the Wiimote app?
daweiteh said:
Try this one http://us.codejunkies.com/Products/Wii-Wireless-Retro-Controller___EF000622.aspx
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Have you ordered one from codejunkies? I placed an order through Amazon, but it's going to take a month to deliver. Wondering if codejunkies is any faster or if they are just a front end to the same manufacturer/wholeseller.
Edit - oh, I see that is actually a slightly different product. I thought it was the Datel controller. I wonder if it is as compatible as the Datel seems to be.
The one on amazon is the datel I just ordered it.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001ULJGDU
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cd419 said:
The one on amazon is the datel I just ordered it.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001ULJGDU
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Let me know if this works
Anyone knows why it's so hard to get PS3 controller to work?
cd419 said:
The one on amazon is the datel I just ordered it.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001ULJGDU
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Man, wished I searched Amazon before I ordered one from CodeJunkies in UK. Still havent received my controller yet. I ordered over a week ago.
would it be possible to use another android device as a controller?
Good news, when we get the 3.1 update, it will support a "ridiculous" amount of usb devices, including the Xbox360 controller.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/live-from-google-i-o-2011s-opening-keynote/
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Good news, when we get the 3.1 update, it will support a "ridiculous" amount of usb devices, including the Xbox360 controller.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/live-from-google-i-o-2011s-opening-keynote/
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Do you think these devices would work via the proprietary charge cable with a female to female usb adapter? That would rock.
I hope there will be some sort of support for the 360 wireless adapter. I dont want to buy a wired controller when i already have the adapter and two wireless controllers!
3.1 Platform Hightlights:
Support for joysticks and gamepads
To make the platform even better for gaming, Android 3.1 adds support for most PC joysticks and gamepads that are connected over USB or Bluetooth HID.
For example, users can connect Sony Playstation™ 3 and XBox 360™ game controllers over USB (but not Bluetooth), Logitech Dual Action™ gamepads and flight sticks, or a car racing controller. Game controllers that use proprietary networking or pairing are not supported by default, but in general, the platform supports most PC-connectible joysticks and gamepads.
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Can't wait to try out my Fanatec racing wheel, haha.
bushrat67 said:
Good news, when we get the 3.1 update, it will support a "ridiculous" amount of usb devices, including the Xbox360 controller.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/live-from-google-i-o-2011s-opening-keynote/
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Great news! The number of controllers compatible with Android is seriously lacking.

[Q] Gamepad

Anyone know of a compatible gamepad that works with the Transformer? I know there is the Datel Wii Retro Wireless controller, but I was hoping for something to use via the USB ports.
You could use a Wiimote along with a nunchuck controller or a Wii classic controller.
Looking for a USB gamepad, as I don't want to use bluetooth.
smashingblue said:
Looking for a USB gamepad, as I don't want to use bluetooth.
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uh...why not bluetooth?
I think he is wanting an actual d pad plus analog stick to plug into the device. Which brings me to ask this question has anyone sync the ps3 controller to it?
Yadah said:
I think he is wanting an actual d pad plus analog stick to plug into the device. Which brings me to ask this question has anyone sync the ps3 controller to it?
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I don't have high hopes w/ ps3 controller working.. (Though that woudl be conveniant; my ps3's been down for 2 weeks now and another 4 till I get psn again? urgh)
Exactly where i was going with that
http://www.gizmocrunch.com/android/6802-android-31-honeycomb-usb-xbox-360-controller
Not the most powerful hardware in the world, but should be able to easily emulate up to, maybe including the PS2? I never saw touchscreen devices as serious gameplaying devices because I'm archaic and need physical buttons and controller pad/joysticks, but this certainly changes things with native support.
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You could use a Wiimote along with a nunchuck controller or a Wii classic controller.
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The wiimote is confirmed working. I'm listing game controllers in my master Emulator and Rom compatability thread, stop by and list the emus and roms that are working for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074709
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Game Controllers

I read a glut of reviews when they were posted last night so forgive me for not remembering which one mentioned this, but..
I thought I read somewhere that the tablet will have native support for Xbox 360 controllers (with wireless adapter--though I believe HC already supports this) and wireless PS3 support, as in they added drivers to support them.
Has anyone else heard this? That would be amazing if PS3 controllers started working without having to open an app every time you wanted to use it and then disable it when you were done.
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That would be amazing if PS3 controllers started working without having to open an app every time you wanted to use it and then disable it when you were done.
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The current transformer supports this as well. The problem is app support. There's an app on the market that does really well with the xbox 360 controller, and will even map the analog nubs to buttons. It has worked the best in the emulators that I used it with.
https ://market.android.com/details?id=com.poke64738.usbjoy
Ps3 works you just have to configure the controller on a pc first!
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emil10001 said:
The current transformer supports this as well. The problem is app support. There's an app on the market that does really well with the xbox 360 controller, and will even map the analog nubs to buttons. It has worked the best in the emulators that I used it with.
https ://market.android.com/details?id=com.poke64738.usbjoy
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As far as I've understood, you've always had to use apps like these to get it to work. I think what I read was that the Prime will have native support, so I am assuming all you would do is turn on bluetooth and then the tablet & the controller would automatically pair together.
Don't get me wrong, I plan to use the hell out of a controller on this thing--I'm not complaining. It would just be awesome if every time I didn't have to launch a separate app before I launch the actual game/emulator.
Video I saw last night said that TF Prime supports game controllers right out of the box.
Video @ 6:15 talks about Game Controller
I don't know why reviewer used USB BT to TF keyboard base. I'd think you could go direct to tablet BT.
Look forward to hearing full answer to this question though.
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Video I saw last night said that TF Prime supports game controllers right out of the box.
Video @ 6:15 talks about Game Controller
I don't know why reviewer used USB BT to TF keyboard base. I'd think you could go direct to tablet BT.
Look forward to hearing full answer to this question though.
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Yes, like I said, the problem is app support. The game shown in the video apparently supports game pads with analog sticks. A lot of games, however, do not. So, if you want to use analog sticks in a game that does not recognize them, you will probably need to do something like what I had posted before so that you can re-map those to keyboard buttons.
Bluetooth Controler
This is my first post on the xda-developers forum.
Your are missing out on a GREAT Bluetooth controller for the Prime.
This is my first Android tablet so I hope my idea of a perfect portable gaming machine works!
Here is the dual analog controller I found. Check out phonejoy-net as a new member I am not able to post links.
This software (Bluez IME) for 4 bluetooth controllers in the Market.
Now I am not sure that this will work on the Asus Prime? Any recommendations?
Ultimate Transformer PRIME TF201 Accessory Guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1377669
Eh, I've got enough game pads, and if OnLive ever launches, I'll probably pick up their controller as well. I've got 4 xbox 360 controllers and an iControlPad. All of them work with my current transformer.
I preordered from Gamestop and they include a bluetooth game controller.
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I preordered from Gamestop and they include a bluetooth game controller.
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I was going to order that two because of the bundled games, but they didn't specify which color they were selling. I want/ordered champagne gold and I assumed they were shipping amethyst gray.
Re: Game Controllers.
Am I reading this thread correctly, that you can use some kindof software to use a blue tooth game controller on " any game " after I go through some kindof controller button programming.
OR
are Game Controllers only for " games designed to work with game controllers".
Thanks
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Re: Game Controllers.
Am I reading this thread correctly, that you can use some kindof software to use a blue tooth game controller on " any game " after I go through some kindof controller button programming.
OR
are Game Controllers only for " games designed to work with game controllers".
Thanks
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Unfortunately, it's for the latter. On the plus side, I expect the vast majority of Tegra Zone games to support controllers, if only because nvidia seems to be advertising that feature hard. Can't wait to try that shadowgun game!
nook-color said:
Re: Game Controllers.
Am I reading this thread correctly, that you can use some kindof software to use a blue tooth game controller on " any game " after I go through some kindof controller button programming.
OR
are Game Controllers only for " games designed to work with game controllers".
Thanks
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Any game that allows for keyboard input, you can map to gamepad controls with the use of another app. For apps that directly support gamepads, you just need to tell it to use the gamepad input.
I've read all the thread.... but I can't find my anwser
(beleive it or not) I have no controller pad at home. My Prime being pre-ordered, what pad would you recommand me to buy ?
Xbox ?
Ps3 ?
Wireless ? (If i could keep my dock's usb port free while emulating or gaming, it would be great...)
What is the must-have ?
(thx !!)
So did anyone tried with xbox360 gamepad ? is it working ? what do I need to get to be able to use xbox360 gamepad ?
One of the pre-release reviews I've watched on Youtube, was demoing the gamepad.
Asus sent out the Logitech F710 with his Prime.
The reviewer plugged the Logitech dongle into the TF keyboard USB port, and was plug and go.
How about the wii controller? I haven't used any controllers for my a500, but I want to for my Prime. I have all 3 controllers, I just figured the wii was more "portable".
NVM. watched after I wrote. supports all 3. niiiiiice
I want to know if a 360 controller works. Possibly with the USB dongle Microsoft sells for the PC?
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I want to know if a 360 controller works. Possibly with the USB dongle Microsoft sells for the PC?
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This should help
Gamers can then play the game with an Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 controller. By the end of 2011, about 40 games that take advantage of the Tegra 3's advanced features will be available.
Source
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You'd need a USB adapter for tablet, or the keyboard base to plug in any USB dongle though, a few I've seen are WIFI dongles.
PS III looks to have a Bluetooth Version that should probably work. I would look for an actual confirmation before buying one on that basis.
Does anyone know if the prime will let you connect more than one Bluetooth device at a time? I would like to use a PS3/Phonejoy controller along with my Bluetooth headphones.

Working controller?

I'm looking for a controller to use with my att
note. What are my options? I used to use the Wii mote with classic controller on my old iPad. It didn't work the same here. I see these female usb adapters do they work using a ps3 and or xbox controller? They all say Android 3.0 or higher. Or how bout the Gamestop wireless controller. I have all the consoles so i rather use a controller i already have if possible. Btw I'm looking to play gta3 and emulators snes nes gba.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1547994
Section 10. Controllers
Connect Xbox360 Wireless Controller to Android Devices --- Receiver --- XBox360 Controller
Connect WiiMote to Android --- WiiMote --- Android App for WiiMote
Connect PS3 to Android --- MicroUSB Host --- Sixaxis controller app
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I havn't tried any yet, but it's a start. You may want to try one or two then post a controller specific thread to catch the attention of those who already have tried and done what you are working on. Hope that helps.
Well i read wii mote doesn't work with touchwiz our something. i just figured there had to be someone who has had some progress. I don't wanna be buying things if it doesn't work right now. They all say honeycomb 3.0 our higher for usb host.
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Well i read wii mote doesn't work with touchwiz our something. i just figured there had to be someone who has had some progress. I don't wanna be buying things if it doesn't work right now. They all say honeycomb 3.0 our higher for usb host.
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I've seen it work, but that has always been on custom ROMs, not sure if the use of a wiimote is restricted to custom ROMs due to proper BT drivers being cooked into them or not. I never really had any desire to try it, but you're making me curious now as I have a Wii with all the toys and add ons that no one touches anymore.
Well there isn't many roms yet. I did try saurom with the wiimote and it wouldn't fully sync. The remote was found but kept blinking and just shut off. Is there a usb host on the g note? Does the female adapter work. Cause i have seen the gs2 with that working on stock ROM and this phone isn't far from that. It would be awesome to use the xbox wireless receiver.
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Well there isn't many roms yet. I did try saurom with the wiimote and it wouldn't fully sync. The remote was found but kept blinking and just shut off. Is there a usb host on the g note? Does the female adapter work. Cause i have seen the gs2 with that working on stock ROM and this phone isn't far from that. It would be awesome to use the xbox wireless receiver.
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I havn't read anything about it, but it sounds like your the perfect guinea...err i mean beta tester!
Ha ha real nice. I was certain someone else has wanted this and tried this besides me. Without games my phone is a.... Ew phone lol. I don't wanna talk to people i wanna play. I'll have to try it i suppose.
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Have you tried Bluez IME?
I had wonderful luck with that, but then again I was running CM7. It becomes a keyboard input, and the android thinks you have a bluetooth keyboard.
Give that a shot.
I no longer have a wii to try it out on :/
Im using sixaxis to connect to a ps3 controller with bluetooth.
Running stock rooted.
Edit-to connect the ps3 controller you need the sixaxis app and you need to go to their website and get software for your windows pc(you will also need ps3 controller drivers), then connect the controller to your pc and use the software to edit the mac address to our phones bluetooth, the sixaxis app will show what your mac is.
They may have the same software for linux or macs, I do not remember.
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Cool! I'll try tomorrow
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Im using sixaxis to connect to a ps3 controller with bluetooth.
Running stock rooted.
Edit-to connect the ps3 controller you need the sixaxis app and you need to go to their website and get software for your windows pc(you will also need ps3 controller drivers), then connect the controller to your pc and use the software to edit the mac address to our phones bluetooth, the sixaxis app will show what your mac is.
They may have the same software for linux or macs, I do not remember.
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Is it wireless? That'd be pretty funky to have to hook your ps3 controller into a pc in order to play on your phone.
I suggest a 6ft. Mini-USB cable attached to your laptop pc with a USB extension cable and placed on your favorite coffee table or flat surface. Add to that the HDMI cable for the note, and you have a pretty cool setup. Would it be practical? No. But would you earn major geek cred points?
You betcha.
Wait this is only to set it up at first right? After that i can use the ps3 controller at will? Without the pc.
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On the atrix I could use the Wiimote perfectly fine. Unfortunately I believe it's a problem with newer galaxy s phones. I tried almost every app but no go so far.
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Have you tried Bluez IME?
I had wonderful luck with that, but then again I was running CM7. It becomes a keyboard input, and the android thinks you have a bluetooth keyboard.
Give that a shot.
I no longer have a wii to try it out on :/
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Downloaded this, just haven't tried it yet.
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Ok so the ps3 controller works flawlessly.wiimote won't work with touch wiz devices on stock ROM. Bluez ime don't work as far as i know unless i just don't have a supported controller. I couldn't get it to sync anything but for the ps3 remote just download sixaxis from the play store and the sixaxis pair tool from dancing pixels website on pc and connect the controller through usb cable, change the Bluetooth mac address on the controller and it will sync right up. This works for all games and emulators with on screen touch pads. I can now play all n64 snes nes games with a ps3 controller and gta3 sonic cd reckless racing all work amazing. Its the most useful controller app I've seen yet. Best part combine this with mhl hdmi out and you have a portable console in your pocket. Still haven't figured out multi player though.
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most usb controllers should work as long as USB HID drivers work correctly. the issue would be button assigning. now that you've mentioned this ill give it a try with my old gamepad.
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Deafcyclist said:
I am currently planning to purchase a lapdock for my atrix this Aug 7 when I will hopefully get enough birthday money for this (just can't spend outside of budget right now). I am trying to find out whether it is possible to use an usb based controller for emulators. The reason why I want the USB based one is to save on cost and be able to use the same controller on my bluetooth-less laptop for the PS2 emulations.
to clarify, I do NOT have any usb controller right now so I am looking for two things,
Do usb controller works with lapdock?
if so, which controller comes recommended?
Bonus point if the controller is tiny and have all of the controls that a playstation controller have.
P.S.
If this is just impossible, I'll just go with the bluetooth Nyko Playpad,
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/05/nykos-playpad-and-playpad-pro-android-tablet-controllers-hands/
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PS2 Emulation? On an Atrix with lapdock?
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no, PS2 emulation on my Toshiba Laptop. PS1 emulation on my atrix/lapdock. This is why I want a controller that I can switch between the two anytime I need to. Unfortunately, my toshiba laptop do not have bluetooth :crying:
If PS2 emulation on an atrix ever come to pass, I would love it! but I honestly doubt it. In the meantime, I want to be able to play basically everything from Playstation 1 and earlier games.
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Wow, this is kind of eerie, and lucky for you at the same time. I just recently decided to buy a PS3 controller for me to use for FPSE on my Atrix using Sixaxis Controller app. It works perfectly, and it's connected using bluetooth. I use the PS3 controller even when my Atrix is mounted on my Lapdock, still using Sixaxis Controller. So, to answer your question, Get a PS3 controller, 'cause it'll work on your Atrix while using Lapdock. As a bonus, you can charge the PS3 controller via USB on the lapdock (which is what I do.) The best part is, it also works perfectly on a Windows PC using the DS3 tool. I use the same PS3 controller to play PS2 games on my PC. I can even help you out in setting it up if you go through with it. Hope this helps. And sorry if what I said is a little confusing. I just got excited 'cause I was wondering the same thing as you, just a few weeks back.
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my logitech gamepad did not work, no sign of it on android, but i only tested it with hd dock and neutrino rom. im not on blur for now but maybe on the weekend ill test it with blur.
for those who have ps3 controller, is it OEM or third party? i was thinking of getting one but i have a wii and got classic pro which works great on n64oid, much better joystick sensitivity than wii64 with gamecube controller.
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So the PS3 controller can connect to my laptop via usb?
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The PS3 controller connects to your phone via bluetooth. It's more convenient in my opinion, compared to hooking it up to your lapdock's USB port. I know it's not exactly what you're looking for, but i think it's a better solution. Your thoughts?
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my logitech gamepad did not work, no sign of it on android, but i only tested it with hd dock and neutrino rom. im not on blur for now but maybe on the weekend ill test it with blur.
for those who have ps3 controller, is it OEM or third party? i was thinking of getting one but i have a wii and got classic pro which works great on n64oid, much better joystick sensitivity than wii64 with gamecube controller.
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For the PS3 controller, it has to be a Genuine Sony Dualshock 3 or Sixaxis. Otherwise, you'll have a problem connecting it to Sixaxis controller, the app used to pair the controller to your phone. I haven't tried using a Wii controller, or any other controller for that matter. I decided to try the PS3 controller, and it works excellently for me.
I know the wiimote works just fine, i even have the gamepad connected with it, and use it for my snes games and whatnot. look up Wii Controller IME by Ryan Frawley in the store. =]
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that was my concern all along, not being compatible with sixaxis. ill just wait until i really want one. not very much of a cellphone gamer. i have dslite and 3ds.
@Deafcyclist
it is possible ics has even more drivers, so i might test it later. as i recall to pair ps3 controller with sixaxis a PC is required, its through usb. i suppose it can be used like you want it.
edit: testing new jellybean alpha and my logitech gamepad works, both joystick and dpad. i have not tested any game yet but its good news native usb gamepad support.
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I am okay with connecting to the atrix/lapdock with bluetooth, my main concern is whether I can connect a PS3 controller directly to my TOSHIBA LAPTOP (not the lapdock) via usb. I know that a PS3 controller have a mini-USB port for charging, but I'm not sure if this can be used to get the PS3 to connect via USB. If this is the case, then this controller may be perfect for me in pretty much every way except for it's size (I wanted some really tiny controller, heh)
el_venga, I wonder if CM9 have better USB support in general? I'm using Jokersax's CM9.
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I'm pretty sure it'll connect to your laptop. I'm using mine on my MacBook Pro running Windows 7 via USB to play PS2 games and such. As long as you have the correct programs to run it, I'm confident that it'll work.

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