A friend of mine had her Eris metroflashed to MetroPCS. Calls and SMS work, but she wants me to provision the rest of it to work like i did with my own Eris on metro. I tried it to find out the Eris one click root app is not on the market anymore however i had the APK, erisone.apk. I loaded it to her SD card and downloaded Astro File Manager and attempted to install, which it proceeded to tell me it couldnt be installed on that phone. All i need is RA-Eris recovery as i will be loading a custom ROM. Is there an easy way to change the recovery on it so i can do this? I was thinking i just needed to update to 2.1 OTA (can someone provide the link? the old link from google doesnt work anymore) then the Erisone.apk will work (this apk loads custom recovery as well as a root very easily). I need to load a custom ROM before i can begin with the provisioning, what do you guys think i should do?
Does this work http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742228?
Or see this list of options that scary alien provided http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10013596#post10013596.
roirraW "edor" ehT said:
Does this work http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742228?
Or see this list of options that scary alien provided http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10013596#post10013596.
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The top one is one i tried. The bottom link there mainly concerns rooting. Im trying to install a custom rom thats already rooted so i don't care much for rooting but i guess its necessary to install a new recovery image right? All i want to do is install ra-eris recovery so i can load a custom rom. The one click method you linked automatically installs a new recovery image and thats what im really after. I just don't think that one you linked is compatible with 1.5
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The top one is one i tried. The bottom link there mainly concerns rooting. Im trying to install a custom rom thats already rooted so i don't care much for rooting but i guess its necessary to install a new recovery image right? All i want to do is install ra-eris recovery so i can load a custom rom. The one click method you linked automatically installs a new recovery image and thats what im really after. I just don't think that one you linked is compatible with 1.5
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You have to be rooted and have a custom recovery in order to install a custom ROM.
Editing...ignore what I had posted in this space before.
The second link (starts with "Failing that...") says it works with 1.5.
You have to be rooted to have a custom recovery. This i know...but can you have a custom recovery without being rooted? I dont care about getting this phone rooted, i just want a custom recovery on it.
Helgaiden said:
You have to be rooted to have a custom recovery. This i know...but can you have a custom recovery without being rooted? I dont care about getting this phone rooted, i just want a custom recovery on it.
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You HAVE to be rooted to change: recovery, kernel, hboot, ROM, and radio. The only exceptions are official updates, whether they be OTA or running a RUU update from Windows with the phone connected.
Root access effectively means being able to change things you're not normally allowed to change.
If you want a custom recovery on your phone, you're going to have to root it. To be technically fully rooted, you would probably have to change your hboot (referred to as S=OFF), too, but it doesn't sound like you need that part. This may not be the answer that you want, but it is what it is.
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You HAVE to be rooted to change: recovery, kernel, hboot, ROM, and radio. The only exceptions are official updates, whether they be OTA or running a RUU update from Windows with the phone connected.
Root access effectively means being able to change things you're not normally allowed to change.
If you want a custom recovery on your phone, you're going to have to root it. To be technically fully rooted, you would probably have to change your hboot (referred to as S=OFF), too, but it doesn't sound like you need that part. This may not be the answer that you want, but it is what it is.
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Okay, i will try one of those other root methods then. Do any of them install a custom recovery as part of the process like the universal one click root does?
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Okay, i will try one of those other root methods then. Do any of them install a custom recovery as part of the process like the universal one click root does?
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I'm sure they all probably do, but I'm sure they say definitively in their threads, too. Everyone who roots wants to install a custom recovery so that they can flash rooted ROMs. Most everyone, anyway. Only those who just want the stock ROM but rooted wouldn't care about the recovery, but those are a minority.
Alright cool. Im gonna do the last method from Scary Allen's post. Just a question though..
i hook up the phone to the PC then click install_root.bat. That should do what i want, however in what mode should the phone be in when i have it plugged in? Powered on like normal, in the stock hboot/recovery mode...??
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Alright cool. Im gonna do the last method from Scary Allen's post. Just a question though..
i hook up the phone to the PC then click install_root.bat. That should do what i want, however in what mode should the phone be in when i have it plugged in? Powered on like normal, in the stock hboot/recovery mode...??
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You should keep questions about various methods of doing things in the original thread. If it doesn't say in the thread about what mode it should be in, then you'll have to ask GrdLock. If it doesn't specify then maybe it doesn't matter what mode it's in. The only thing it specifies is:
MAKE SURE YOUR SDCARD IS NOT MOUNTED TO YOUR COMPUTER OR THIS WON'T WORK!!!!
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You should keep questions about various methods of doing things in the original thread. If it doesn't say in the thread about what mode it should be in, then you'll have to ask GrdLock. If it doesn't specify then maybe it doesn't matter what mode it's in. The only thing it specifies is:
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yeah i got that much out of it. Okay, thanks for your help.
The jcase "One Click" .apk does not work on 1.5, as you discovered.
Note that the root exploit method that One Click employs does work on 1.5 - but unfortunately the One Click app itself only runs on 2.1.
The Universal Eris Root for Dummies! method will work on both 1.5 and 2.1; it uses the same (wag3slav3) rooting exploit, but does not require the 2.1 OS to be running in order to work correctly. All it does to your phone is to install the Amon_RA custom recovery - exactly what you are looking for.
This method is the same one referenced by scary alien in his post mentioned above - the second URL in his post.
I've said this before, but I'll say it again: when you say "rooted", it means different things to different people. The most general definition is that you have "installed something on your phone which gives you privileges to alter some or all of the phone software which the device manufacturer did not intend".
So - you can have an engineering bootloader on a phone, but a completely stock OS... and that would be a "rooted" phone. Same deal for a set of root tools installed in the OS, but a S-ON bootloader and a stock recovery partition. Or a stock bootloader, a stock OS, but a custom recovery - again, that is also a "rooted" phone. In all three cases, you now have the means to alter whatever you want on the phone. That's all that "rooted" really means; it doesn't necessarily mean that the OS has been kanged up.
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ahh confirmation it doesnt work on 1.5, nice haha. Well thanks. Ill look into the Dummies root method but right now im leaning toward's GRDLOCK's method. At least i know i have good valid options though, thanks!
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I tried searching for a how-to on this but apparently I'm searching inclined.
From what I can gather is it as simple as just dumping the zip onto the root of your SD card and doing:
3. Make sure phone is off then hold Power button and Call Button.
4. The menu opens quickly press the power key over the hboot option.
5. Follow onscreen instructions to install the update. the phone will reboot a few times.
you dont even need to search. go to the development section and then look at the top few, it will have very detailed instructions.
I guess I should have elaborated more and said I don't have my phone rooted and really don't want to go that route. I was just getting confused because everything i was finding on here was people running root but I came across a few things where people said the 2.1OTA Leak was just a straight upgrade, so that is my confusion.
Are you asking how to install the 2.1ota leak? Just flash it onto your phone?
Curious, why do you not want to root your phone?
Root is much more flexible, and there are roms that are based off that leak. If you're worried about your warranty, it's going to void it either way, lol.
Good luck !
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Are you asking how to install the 2.1ota leak? Just flash it onto your phone?
Curious, why do you not want to root your phone?
Root is much more flexible, and there are roms that are based off that leak. If you're worried about your warranty, it's going to void it either way, lol.
Good luck !
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but if you have root you can do the downgrade back to 1.5
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but if you have root you can do the downgrade back to 1.5
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Oh right, I forgot about that, duh It just seems like root would be a better choice.
But to each his own.
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Are you asking how to install the 2.1ota leak? Just flash it onto your phone?
Curious, why do you not want to root your phone?
Root is much more flexible, and there are roms that are based off that leak. If you're worried about your warranty, it's going to void it either way, lol.
Good luck !
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yeah that is my question, can 2.1OTA just be flashed or does your phone need to be rooted?
I just feel like with root I'll be more likely to kill the phone but I'm going to check into it more again.
If you flash the 2.1 OTA leak onto your phone you CANNOT root your phone. It hasn't been figured out yet.
Root really isn't that hard to do. There are several threads over in the development forum.
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If you flash the 2.1 OTA leak onto your phone you CANNOT root your phone. It hasn't been figured out yet.
Root really isn't that hard to do. There are several threads over in the development forum.
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yeah I was just reading the thread on going from stock 1.5 to rooted 2.1. Can you give me some of the major benefits of rooting? I'm trying to find really practical stuff, not just the "Well it's cool cause it's like being root in Linux".
And just to clarify you can just flash to 2.1OTA? I'm skeptical of doing that now because I was reading some people think 2.1OTA has a time sensitive date on it.
Future developments will likely be easier to impliment if you root. The ability to run different (and potentially more stable) ROMs. Support for future software not designed for the Eris. Post rooting you can also make Nandroid backups and as long as you don't somehow screw your bootloader you can actually fix your phone.
Also, and this is pure speculation, should Verison decide to discontinue support for the Eris entirely, non-rooters may have issue getting new Android versions since they're limited to signed code.
EDIT: there is also little reason NOT to root. It does everything that you can do unrooted and more. All this plus the fact that you may never be able to root again but could always unroot at your leisure.
Marisa said:
Future developments will likely be easier to impliment if you root. The ability to run different (and potentially more stable) ROMs. Support for future software not designed for the Eris. Post rooting you can also make Nandroid backups and as long as you don't somehow screw your bootloader you can actually fix your phone.
Also, and this is pure speculation, should Verison decide to discontinue support for the Eris entirely, non-rooters may have issue getting new Android versions since they're limited to signed code.
EDIT: there is also little reason NOT to root. It does everything that you can do unrooted and more. All this plus the fact that you may never be able to root again but could always unroot at your leisure.
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Can you point me to a good nandroid tutorial? tried searching for one but if you know of a good one I'd appreciate it.
I was trying to find a nandroid guide when I did it the first time, but once I discovered that Amon_RA's recovery has it built-in, I decided to wing it and see what happened. It was a lot easier than I expected to be honest.
Reboot your phone into recovery (VOL UP + Power), you should have a short list of options, one of which should be Backup/Restore. Trackball into it and select to make a backup. Let it do it's thing, should take a few minutes. Congratulations, you've made a backup of your phone. You can make as many as you like, they're given names based on the date and time they're created, but you can rename without harm (barring a few characters keep it A-Z a-z 0-9 and you should be good)
Restoring to that backup is as easy as entering the same menu but picking restore instead. You need to have made a backup first in order to restore something.
NOTE: I've written all this by memory, and while it should be fairly accurate, I can't turn my phone off currently to double check that the wording is all correct.
I'm a bit confused on the Amon thing. I found the the link here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=648025
Do I just dump that IMG file onto the root of my SD card and that's it? Will it know to always use his recovery or do I need to do more?
I have an application that I write to make going from 1.5 to root a lot easier with a gui application. It will be released very soon for everyone to use. Take a look at my thread for more info. Link is at the top of my signature.
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frankspin said:
I'm a bit confused on the Amon thing. I found the the link here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=648025
Do I just dump that IMG file onto the root of my SD card and that's it? Will it know to always use his recovery or do I need to do more?
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If you followed Ivan's guide to the very end, you already flashed Amon_RA's recovery to your phone. To enter it, shutdown your phone and then hold volume up and the call end button (power), you should boot into the recovery.
Marisa said:
If you followed Ivan's guide to the very end, you already flashed Amon_RA's recovery to your phone. To enter it, shutdown your phone and then hold volume up and the call end button (power), you should boot into the recovery.
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AWESOME! Thank you I am doing it right now.
NM: got it
Well I got 2.1 on but I did something wrong and can't load rooted 2.1. I get "signature verification failed" message when I load the zip file.
So I've had my Atrix for a few months now, and it's mostly awesome. I'm coming from having owned an iPhone before, and it's just fantastic. I've stayed away from modding it too much however, since I knew the bootloader was locked and not a lot could really be done. But, according to several posts I see here, the bootloader seems to have been unlocked recently. Yay?
So, I ask that you forgive my ignorance. What does this mean? Does a given ROM need to be modified to work with every model of phone? If so, which ones presently work with the Atrix? Any? (It looks like the unlock was found very recently.) How does that process work exactly? Is there any way to ensure a recovery path if something were to go wrong, so that I don't brick my phone?
I'm just curious here. Presently, my phone is on the stock firmware without any upgrades at all, and I've simply rooted it and installed the webtop mod so I could play games on my TV. Other than that, it's been lots of Android Market for me. I'd like to branch out, and I don't even know where to begin.
There aren't any custom rom's for this yet, there's work being done, so it's just a matter of time. However, there is a developer build from Asia that can be flashed. There are a few issues with it, so if you are averse to troubleshooting or dealing with issues then just wait a few days.
One of the good things you can do right now though is to Unlock it, and then install the Clockwork Mod recovery port in the developer's section. You can use that to make full system backup that you can flash.
Can I flash the UK Firmware on a unlocked ATT Atrix now?
Pretty sure you can at least fastboot flash the CG from the SBF (need system and boot) not sure about flashing the whole SBF. You can try though.
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Can I flash the UK Firmware on a unlocked ATT Atrix now?
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Pretty sure you can at least fastboot flash the CG from the SBF (need system and boot) not sure about flashing the whole SBF. You can try though.
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_Dennis_ is right. You should sbf_flash -x to extract the UK firmware and use fastboot to flash just boot.img (CG56 in Froyo) and system.img (CG57 in Froyo). If you want to flash the radio, use a custom .sbf (for AT&T) with only the radio. We don't yet know whether you can replace your bootloader with a UK bootloader. We still flashed a signed bootloader to our phone. In the worst case, if you flash a UK signed bootloader and your boot ROM is looking to find an AT&T signature in your bootloader: BAD! It is fairly unclear that the unlock ALSO tells boot ROM not to care about signatures, it may very well still care. And the order of RSD: erase,write,verify is a little dangerous...
I as well, don't know much about this... but as far as I know, this will mean that developers will be able to create real operating systems for the phone and not have to wait for att/moto to do that...
in the past it was an OS from att/moto, and all the "roms" in xda were actually the same OS but with some skins and mods added to them...
Yes, if you look at the development forums for just about any other android phone, you will see full customized ROMs that can be installed. That's where we are headed.
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Pretty sure you can at least fastboot flash the CG from the SBF (need system and boot) not sure about flashing the whole SBF. You can try though.
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I did a test with this.
I flashed 1.8.3 SBF over my unlocked bootloader to see if I could use moto-fastboot to flash over a 'stock' bootloader. It works to flash system (since it is still technically unlocked) but fails to flash boot.
So DO NOT TRY TO SBF FLASH A INTERNATIONAL VERSION unless you want to be stuck on the version with no way to get your phone back off.
I also would not flash the boot.img of a international version for the same reason.
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One of the good things you can do right now though is to Unlock it, and then install the Clockwork Mod recovery port in the developer's section. You can use that to make full system backup that you can flash.
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I just finished unlocking and installed the new CWM recovery, just waiting for some roms! About the full system backup with CWM, does is deposit a folder to the SD card I can remove for safe keeping like TIBu? I never used CWM to backup or restore.
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I just finished unlocking and installed the new CWM recovery, just waiting for some roms! About the full system backup with CWM, does is deposit a folder to the SD card I can remove for safe keeping like TIBu? I never used CWM to backup or restore.
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I think that the backup will be found in a Clockwork folder on your sd card. I also think that when you do the backup you will get to choose the destination. Either sd or external sd.
I haven't used the bl unlock or the new ClockworkMod (Just waiting on a nice rom). But that is how it went for me on the previous CWM that didn't require the unlocked bootloader.
Maybe someone who has this newer stuff can shed a little more light on it.
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One of the good things you can do right now though is to Unlock it, and then install the Clockwork Mod recovery port in the developer's section. You can use that to make full system backup that you can flash.
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Does this essentially create an image of your device? Or does it just back up the firmware?
When CWM backs up ur files it creates a image file of
Boot.img
Cache.img
Data.img
recovery.img
system.img
so yes it does use a image.
Y'all talking about custom ROM's and such, no one seems to care about overcloking.. no one seems to realize what a beast a 1.4ghz Atrix would be.
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Y'all talking about custom ROM's and such, no one seems to care about overcloking.. no one seems to realize what a beast a 1.4ghz Atrix would be.
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+1.
ROMs will sometimes require you to have the custom kernel associated with them. CM7 for the Captivate comes to mind. With custom kernels, the Captivate was a beast. We had the VooDoo lagfix, which actually made the device usable on bootup. We were able to convert all partitions to ext4, and kind-of make the GPS work.
Overclocking is a possibility too. There's so much that is able to be done. It's a bit difficult coming from an iPhone where customization was limited, even with jailbreaking. But you'll soon get the hang of it.
GPS. Nice point too, but Moto itself promisses improvements on the 2.3.4 OTA. This is the most sorely needed fix for me, since my gps SUCKS. It can take anywhere up to 30 minutos to find my locations. Yes, you read that right.
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GPS. Nice point too, but Moto itself promisses improvements on the 2.3.4 OTA. This is the most sorely needed fix for me, since my gps SUCKS. It can take anywhere up to 30 minutos to find my locations. Yes, you read that right.
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Mine works great. You may have a hardware issue?
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JayRolla said:
Mine works great. You may have a hardware issue?
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It shouldn't take that long to lock on. Mine locks on instantly.
Hi All -
New to this phone obviously (RAZR MAXX). Trying to get a grasp on it, as it's way more complicated than HTC and Samsung phones. I've rooted and installed 100s of custom ROMs with those brands before. This is my 1st Motorola since the Motorola V120c if anyone is old enough to remember that dinosaur. On nTelos' network nonetheless.
I have some questions that I would like answered and I hope someone will do me the honor as the content is really sporadic.
What is Fastboot for this device, what does it do?
Safestrap & Bootstrap? What's the difference? Which is better?
Can I flash ROMS through CWM like I have in the past?
What purpose does RSD Lite serve other than to flash Fasboot files?
Why would I want to flash fastboot? (Redundant question I think)
Thanks to anyone that takes the time to help me out.
I rooted and flash the crap out of my last phone which was Samsung. This phone seems really complex. I'm really on my toes, don't want to brick my phone. But I do want to root to get rid of the bloatware and test out some roms. The stock OS is laggy at times.
Honestly I really like the Stock OS as is. It does seem laggy at times, but nothing worse than I've run into on HTC or Samsung phones.
HTC Sense UI was/is terrible since it's so bloated and Samsung couldn't make a GPS radio capable of locating a mall let alone provide directions to anywhere. Terrible phones.
So far this phone is awesome, really bought it for the battery life honestly.
I too would like to DELETE the garbage that Verizon has installed on this thing. In terms of bloat, Verizon takes it to a whole new level. Just wow.
I'm in the same boat. Only had the phone for 2 days so far. I've already rooted it, but haven't gone any farther. But in some of my reading, I thought I saw that removing the bloatware can cause OTA updates to not happen. Hopefully someone can shed some more light on that issue.
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I'm in the same boat. Only had the phone for 2 days so far. I've already rooted it, but haven't gone any farther. But in some of my reading, I thought I saw that removing the bloatware can cause OTA updates to not happen. Hopefully someone can shed some more light on that issue.
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I rooted mine 5 mins after activating it haha. As far a bloat, just use titanium pro and freeze it. Very simple. I froze around 35 apps and haven't had any issues associated w it. Should an ota come I should be prompted still. Just unfreeze all apps. Accept ota, reroot. If it breaks root completly then eventually it will get root again. I actually Ind, e system to run very well but honestly have no idea how just stock runs as I froze these apps instantly. I did not safe strap or bootstrap but I had previous knowledge of things I should be able to freeze and not and I figured it out myself
I find this phone so easy. There YouTube videos on everything.
To Get bootstrap, all you need to do is press one button, this phone has to be the easiest I've been on. The only people that struggle are the desperate ones that cba to search the forums And YouTube
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Hi All -
What is Fastboot for this device, what does it do?
Safestrap & Bootstrap? What's the difference? Which is better?
Can I flash ROMS through CWM like I have in the past?
What purpose does RSD Lite serve other than to flash Fasboot files?
Why would I want to flash fastboot? (Redundant question I think)
Thanks to anyone that takes the time to help me out.
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- Fastboot: its just the stock bootloader, can flash moto updates/factory reset/wipe cache. it also lets you into AP fastboot, which is where u recover stock with rsd.
- Safestrap/bootstrap: bootstrap is currently our only way of CWM on the gsm phones, i understand safestrap is pretty much like dualbooting except its not(only its not completely compatible with gsm)
- can you flash with cwm: YES!
- another purpose for rsd: i have only used it for recovering after ics, so idk.
- why flash a fastboot image?: if you mess up badly or get a bootloop you can recover back to stock
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I'm in the same boat. Only had the phone for 2 days so far. I've already rooted it, but haven't gone any farther. But in some of my reading, I thought I saw that removing the bloatware can cause OTA updates to not happen. Hopefully someone can shed some more light on that issue.
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removing bloatware will cause you to be unable to get ota's (freezing and then unfreezing with TiB before ota update works fine, as long as you don't uninstall).
but i think its enough to just flash a fastboot with rsd (fully return to stock), then you can get the ota
Look here:
aashrey99razr.wordpress.com
Helped me out a lot!
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Addictd said:
removing bloatware will cause you to be unable to get ota's (freezing and then unfreezing with TiB before ota update works fine, as long as you don't uninstall).
but i think its enough to just flash a fastboot with rsd (fully return to stock), then you can get the ota
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I'm afraid I deleted one app before I was aware of this. TiB shows that I made a backup of it, but doesn't give me the option to restore it. Guess I'm screwed.
hehe, probably not
did you make a cwm backup prior to uninstalling the app(s)?
then you could just restore that
if not the titanium backup file should be on your internal sdcard in /mnt/sdcard/TitaniumBackup as a gzipped .apk with a kinda cryptic filename
you could try ungzipping it and installing with a file explorer.
or you could just backup with cwm and flash the correct fastbootimage for your phone from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362956
usind rsd lite
and that should do it
but why not just flash a fastboot and isntall arctic 3.0.5?
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hehe, probably not
did you make a cwm backup prior to uninstalling the app(s)?
then you could just restore that
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Of course not, that would be too easy
if not the titanium backup file should be on your internal sdcard in /mnt/sdcard/TitaniumBackup as a gzipped .apk with a kinda cryptic filename
you could try ungzipping it and installing with a file explorer.
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There is a file there, but it doesn't have an .apk. There's a gzip file, inside that is a tar file. In there are imbedded data directories, but no actual files.
or you could just backup with cwm and flash the correct fastbootimage for your phone from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362956
usind rsd lite
and that should do it
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Might take that route when the next update is ready.
But why not just flash a fastboot and isntall arctic 3.0.5?
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Well, as I said, I only got the phone Saturday, and I work weekends.
But I've got an issue hooking up to my work email account. I was unable to get it working on my Touchpad using CM7 or CM9. I originally bought a Galaxy Nexus and had no luck with that either, thus I bought the Razr. I still can't get the native apps to work, but at least Touchdown semi-works (no Activesync). So I'm actually a little gun shy about trying new things.
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- Safestrap/bootstrap: bootstrap is currently our only way of CWM on the gsm phones, i understand safestrap is pretty much like dualbooting except its not(only its not completely compatible with gsm)
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Does that mean that we can't use ROM Manager or do we just need to use Bootstrap to install CWM and than use ROM Manager like we otherwise would? I got used to that app on my old phone.
I got a GSM RAZR and I have just rooted, the root script pushed in my phone some app called Bionic Bootstrapper, which gives me options Bootstrap Recovery and Reboot Recovery, what does each of them do? I don't plan on changing ROMs for now, but I definitely need to be able to recover the system.
It appears there isn't any real root on this device since the bootloader is locked. Samsung and HTC devices have their BLs unlocked so it's easier to make a permanent Recovery that will persist on reboot. I'm speculating of course, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Reboot recovery should reboot the phone to a ClockworkMod style "DOS" menu that allows you to preform functions like Back up, install zip files or even a new ROM.
When I did it, it rebooted a triangle and exclamation point, with an android guy on it. I was worried at that point. I hit the power button and the Recovery loaded instantly. Not sure if that's normal, but it's quite shakey compared to other devices out there.
I love this phone, so don't me wrong. It's just going to take some getting used to.
i dont think all of rom managers functions will work :/
bootstrap recovery: installs recovery (you only have to do this once)
reboot recovery: reboots your phone into cwm
the thing is the bootloader is locked, so we cant put cwm into the stock fastboot.
there is however a little workaround made by J.Y.Daddy that starts cwm everytime you boot, but this is installed in your rom, not in the stock fastboot, so you have to reinstall it when you flash a new rom :/
onboot cwm link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1385283
Addictd said:
i dont think all of rom managers functions will work :/
bootstrap recovery: installs recovery (you only have to do this once)
reboot recovery: reboots your phone into cwm
the thing is the bootloader is locked, so we cant put cwm into the stock fastboot.
there is however a little workaround made by J.Y.Daddy that starts cwm everytime you boot, but this is installed in your rom, not in the stock fastboot, so you have to reinstall it when you flash a new rom :/
onboot cwm link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1385283
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Is there some way to otherwise boot into CWM enviroment, some combination of keys or something like on other phones? Not much use for CWM if you brick your phone and can't boot into it. Also, is installed CWM not going to cause a problem for regular OTA updates and do we need to reinstall it afterwards?
From what I understood, Motorola has put some sort of recovery environment on this phone already, but I don't know what it can be used for.
And I have GSM version, bootloader is not locked, so I don't have to worry about that.
laserburn said:
Is there some way to otherwise boot into CWM enviroment, some combination of keys or something like on other phones?
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there's a workaround by J.Y.Darry that makes it boot into cwm on every boot.
there is no keycombo for cwm booting. but you can boot into fastboot with both volumekeys + power
where you can go into stock "recovery" and AP fastboot
you will use AP fastboot in combination with RSD lite to flash back to stock if u mess up, there are also more options in fastboot, but i have never used them.
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Not much use for CWM if you brick your phone and can't boot into it. Also, is installed CWM not going to cause a problem for regular OTA updates and do we need to reinstall it afterwards?
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you will use cwm to flash custom roms and make backups
then if you mess up and want to recover a backup you have to
- set phone in ap fastboot mode
- connect razr to computer
- use rsd lite(or an alternative flashtool) to flash the fastbootfile for your phone
- root and install bootstrapper
- reboot into cwm and restore backup
i dont think cwm in itself will cause any problems for OTA's. but if you install a custom rom its a different story
as long as you have the bootstrapper app installed on your phone, you should be able to bootstrap recovery and boot into cwm
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From what I understood, Motorola has put some sort of recovery environment on this phone already, but I don't know what it can be used for.
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yes they have put a rudimentary recovery in it. but you can only use it to apply updates from sdcard (to manually download ota and install), wipe and factory reset. (someone correct me if i'm wrong here)
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And I have GSM version, bootloader is not locked, so I don't have to worry about that.
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sorry to be the bringer of bad news. but i have gsm too. mine is locked, so i'm pretty solid your bl is too
troollolotorola -.-
Damn, how I miss my old phone where rooting was 1 click on the app and you could swap ROMs as easy as swapping socks.
How could I check if the bootloader is locked and what consequences does it have?
laserburn said:
Damn, how I miss my old phone where rooting was 1 click on the app and you could swap ROMs as easy as swapping socks.
How could I check if the bootloader is locked and what consequences does it have?
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Yeah I agree with you. Rooting, flashing, CWM all 100 times easier on HTC and Samsung phones.
Don't get wrong though, I Love my RAZR Maxx, and the default OS is actually OK. Which is good because it seems that there is little to zero developement for the CDMA version of the droid RAZR/MAXX at the moment, if at all.
they're all over on the HTC/Sammy forums =D
laserburn said:
Damn, how I miss my old phone where rooting was 1 click on the app and you could swap ROMs as easy as swapping socks.
How could I check if the bootloader is locked and what consequences does it have?
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if/when we get the BL unlocked this phone will be a dream
there is this utility made by mattlgrof u can use to check bl lock
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1486718
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Yeah I agree with you. Rooting, flashing, CWM all 100 times easier on HTC and Samsung phones.
Don't get wrong though, I Love my RAZR Maxx, and the default OS is actually OK. Which is good because it seems that there is little to zero developement for the CDMA version of the droid RAZR/MAXX at the moment, if at all.
they're all over on the HTC/Sammy forums =D
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Ain't no agruing with that, but they don't make as sweet looking and solid phones i hope motorola pull their head out of their ass soon...
Development for the cdma version is found mostly on droidrzr.com (plenty of beta/alpha ICS and some GB roms) but they are missing some parts, so we have to wait till motorola release ics be4 they will be complete.
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/index
for all you non-cdma users out there, u should check out the cdma to gsm patch
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/topic/1233-cdma-port-cm9aokp-givesomelovetogsm/
UPDATE: The latest update still is safe. I just installed it and I am still s-off.
UPDATE: The update to Jellybean does not write the secure flag and this method is safe to apply the OTA update with this method and still maintain root access afterwards.
First and foremost, a couple disclaimers.
FIRST, YOU MUST BE S-OFF FOR THIS TO WORK. PLEASE DO NOT TRY THIS IF YOU ARE NOT ALREADY S-OFF.
SECOND, FOR THE OTA UPDATE 1.22.651.3 YOU WILL FOR SURE RETAIN S-OFF. ALTHOUGH HIGHLY UNLIKELY, HTC COULD POTENTIALLY MAKE YOU S-ON IN FUTURE OTA UPDATES. SEE HERE FOR MORE INFORMATION.
To obtain s-off please see this thread: http://unlimited.io/jewel.htm
Once you are s-off you can install the OTA update no problem and still retain root. I understand that there are rooted ROMs that come out within a day or whatever, I find this method just easier and less annoying that waiting for a rooted stock ROM to come out. I don't really theme, mod, or do crazy things with my phone but still want root access. So, I decided since I was s-off, I would give this method a whirl. I am happy to report that I am s-off, with TWRP, fully rooted, and with installing the OTA update. I had a little hiccup but was able to solve that.
So, here is the process. This is kind of a hodge podge of different threads, ideas, devices, and versions of android so if I didn't give you credit, please let me know and I will put you in this thread.
Process for installing a stock recovery. I have already created some stock recovery files so see at the bottom of this post for the zip file that includes the stock recovery. If you wish to use these files, just start with step #10.
IF YOU CHOOSE TO JUST DOWNLOAD THE STOCK RECOVERY AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST, SKIP TO STEP #10.
Creating Stock Recovery File Manually
1. Install a stock recovery if you don't already have one.
2. To do so, get the RUU for the version you are running.
3. Run the RUU (don't connect to your phone at all)
4. Navigate to your temp directory on your computer (on windows 7 it is C:\Users\your_user_name\AppData\Local\Temp)
5. Find a folder that looks like it is in the following format "{XXXXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXXXXX}" It might help to sort by date modified. The folder should have the current date
6. Inside the folder might be a couple other folders. Navigate through the folder to find a zip that says "firmware" or "rom" (mine said rom)
7. Extract the content to a folder in the same directory called rom
8. Navigate into the rom folder and find two files android-info.txt and recovery_signed.img. Copy those to a directory of your choice.
9. Send those files to a zip folder and name the file "PJ75IMG.zip" without the quotes. Make sure zip is only listed once. If you have file extensions hidden in windows yours will only say "PJ75IMG".
Installing the stock recovery, OTA, and regaining root
10. Place the stock recovery file on the root of your sd card
11. On your phone, head into settings and power and make sure the fastboot option is unchecked
12. Power down phone
13. Once phone is completely shut down, hold the volume down button and press the power on button while keeping the volume down button pressed.
14. It will boot into your hboot (verify it says s-off at the top or don't proceed) and find the file you placed on your sd card and ask you if you want to update. click volume up for yes. Reboot once finished. After your phone boots up, navigate to the root of your sdcard and delete PJ75IMG.zip
15. Go to settings>check for updates and check to see if there is an update. Download the update. Once it verifies, click install now. It should install just fine.
16. Once you are up and running, download one of the dirty racun hboots. I used hboot 2.09 img found here. Follow the instructions on the unlimited.io website how to flash the hboot by using fastboot (flashing the zip doesn't seem to be working.
update. click volume up for yes. Reboot once finished. After your phone boots up, navigate to the root of your sdcard and delete PJ75IMG.zip
17. Make sure usb debugging is checked under settings>developer options
18. Go download a su zip file. I used this one here and place it on the root of your sd card.
19. Go grab a custom recovery flashable zip (could not find the latest twrp zip) or img (I used TWRP found here. Take the image and place it in your platform tools folder for ADB.
20. Plug in phone while powered on and type in adb devices to make sure you are connected.
21. If you see a device type in
Code:
adb reboot bootloader
22. Your device will boot into your bootloader and you will see fastboot usb (make sure usb debugging was checked if you don't see that).
23. Then type fastboot flash recovery [filename] of the recovery img you downloaded. Once flashed, toggle with the volume up buttons to bootloader and then select recovery. This should boot you into TWRP
24. Once in recovery, install the su zip you downloaded in step 18.
25. Reboot and Enjoy!!!!
You are now rooted with the most current OTA update and all the goodies (radios, PRI, etc.)
This process should hopefully hold true for any future OTA updates if you are S-OFF. The only thing you will have to find is the current RUU to create the stock recovery. If this helped, feel free to thank! Go XDA!
There already are rooted stock roms out.
Why even risk it? It takes less than a day
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Rxpert said:
There already are rooted stock roms out.
Why even risk it? It takes less than a day
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I don't know. So you don't have to wait at all? Or for the people that aren't accustomed to flashing ROMs or don't care to. I prefer this method for whatever reason and it seems just easier. Personal preference though. The beauty of android and their strong developer network is that it gives the users choices. I can take the OTA update as soon as it comes out and don't have to worry about waiting for anything. Just another method I guess.
TLR there are already rooted stock roms in one of the dev forums. Flash it and flash the update firmware via bootloader and you're done.
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msimindlessmsi2 said:
TLR there are already rooted stock roms in one of the dev forums. Flash it and flash the update firmware via bootloader and you're done.
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The update firmware is the part that hangs me up. I believe when it was back in the original EVO days that some people were having problems updating their PRI version and it screwed up some things with wimax. That is when I decided I would just accept the OTA to get everything they included in the update and then gain root access through this method.
Again, to each their own. Please try not to clutter up the thread with off topic items. Thanks.
Because all of the ROM flash threads state you have to do a factory reset. Even with Titanium, I don't have the time to reset everything back up the way I want it... including all the folders I've created, etc. If you could flash a ROM and maintain all your data intact, I might consider it. Perhaps there's something I'm unaware of.
Rxpert said:
There already are rooted stock roms out.
Why even risk it? It takes less than a day
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im coming from the rezound, i just want the updated firmware! on my rez being s-off i could run ANY firmware ICS, or GB and then go back to whatever rom i was running. im wondering if im s-off, i should b able to do the same thing right.
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Because all of the ROM flash threads state you have to do a factory reset. Even with Titanium, I don't have the time to reset everything back up the way I want it... including all the folders I've created, etc. If you could flash a ROM and maintain all your data intact, I might consider it. Perhaps there's something I'm unaware of.
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The devs state that so that they don't have to spend their valuable time troubleshooting because you didn't flash right. Its always best to do a full wipe, but not always required when flashing an updated version of the same ROM.
1) Nandroid.
2)Wipe Dalvik cache & cache
3) Flash
You retain all data.
If you have issues, then you nand restore and do a full wipe before bugging the devs
bpdamas said:
Once you are s-off you can install the OTA update no problem and still retain root. I understand that there are rooted ROMs that come out within a day or whatever, I find this method just easier and less annoying that waiting for a rooted stock ROM to come out.
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Lmao! You find that whole process "easier" than waiting for a day? I think it might take the better part of a day to do all that.
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Thanks for taking the time to do a write-up OP!
Good tutorial. I actually waited but this definitely a decent tutorial. Don't listen to anyone saying that it is dumb not to wait. Why do they care what you do with your device?
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Actually, TWRP has a PJ75IMG.zip on their site that can be flashed the same way as the HBOOT. And then, you can flash Superuser from TWRP.
I did everything from my SD card. And, in response to the person saying it would take the better part of the day... the whole thing took me barely 10 minutes, and I have a completely updated phone, all the firmware, radios, etc. And all my data and settings are intact. I think that for someone like me that likes everything stock, but rooted (for WiFi Tether and Adblock), this is the best way to go.
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Because all of the ROM flash threads state you have to do a factory reset. Even with Titanium, I don't have the time to reset everything back up the way I want it... including all the folders I've created, etc. If you could flash a ROM and maintain all your data intact, I might consider it. Perhaps there's something I'm unaware of.
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Agreed.
EPayne123 said:
Good tutorial. I actually waited but this definitely a decent tutorial. Don't listen to anyone saying that it is dumb not to wait. Why do they care what you do with your device?
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Definitely agreed.
greyopaque said:
Actually, TWRP has a PJ75IMG.zip on their site that can be flashed the same way as the HBOOT. And then, you can flash Superuser from TWRP.
I did everything from my SD card. And, in response to the person saying it would take the better part of the day... the whole thing took me barely 10 minutes, and I have a completely updated phone, all the firmware, radios, etc. And all my data and settings are intact. I think that for someone like me that likes everything stock, but rooted (for WiFi Tether and Adblock), this is the best way to go.
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I know. This is exactly why I root and I can't believe there are so many people against this method. It seems very simple to me and I can have a stock recovery waiting to flash as soon as an OTA update comes out. Oh well.
Thanks for this info. I think I'm like you and not only like the stock experience and its benefits but also prefer diy when possible.
Of course I never seem to stay stock like you but I like doing the steps my self. To each their own is the beauty of android.
Go android!
Sent from my EVO
i just noticed my internal was wiped for some odd reason? im attempting to run the previous ruu, to get my notification sounds and everything back.
Rxpert said:
There already are rooted stock roms out.
Why even risk it? It takes less than a day
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2
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One advantage to me would be you're getting the official ROM/update, and you don't have to worry about a malicious dev slipping in some malware.
zounduser said:
i just noticed my internal was wiped for some odd reason? im attempting to run the previous ruu, to get my notification sounds and everything back.
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Very curious on this. Nothing in this method should affect this.
Robbie_G said:
One advantage to me would be you're getting the official ROM/update, and you don't have to worry about a malicious dev slipping in some malware.
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..... I'm blown away by this.
Really?
Why do you even have S-off then? That required you down download specific drivers, and run a program as an administrator on your computer. If you're concerned about a rogue dev they would've royally screwed you there.
/Tin Hat
Rxpert said:
..... I'm blown away by this.
Really?
Why do you even have S-off then? That required you down download specific drivers, and run a program as an administrator on your computer. If you're concerned about a rogue dev they would've royally screwed you there.
/Tin Hat
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That's fair, rooting and s-off could also inject malicious code. But so can ROM makers.
I think there's a difference between trying to be safe and being paranoid. If there is a way for someone to make money off of you/steal your identity, eventually they will try. I'm not suspicious of any of the current devs, but it's something we should maybe be more aware of. Look at all the warez Windows out there with malware built in to steal your information.
EPayne123 said:
Good tutorial. I actually waited but this definitely a decent tutorial. Don't listen to anyone saying that it is dumb not to wait. Why do they care what you do with your device?
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Totally agree. Its a good thing to learn in my opinion. I broke my Evo 4G, fixed it then rerooted it. Now on the 4G LTE got it rooted with custom rom. Love learning new things plus some of the good things that come with rooting and custom roms are worth it for me.
I just recently rooted my Verizon Galaxy S4 and swiftly installed Rom Manager. I have used ROM manager in the past before I owned an iPhone when the Moto Droids were popular. Upon installing I flashed the recovery over to CWM - However, when I reboot into recovery I still receive the default stock options. I even purchased the CWM Touch recovery to see if that would work, sadly it did not.
I am stuck as to what to do here, I have googled the problem and cannot seem to find a cure. I can not do anything with CWM - When I click backup current ROM it simply reboots into the stock recovery.
If anyone can help me with this issue I would be extremely appreciated
Thanks,
Christopher
Reneg4d3 said:
I just recently rooted my Verizon Galaxy S4 and swiftly installed Rom Manager. I have used ROM manager in the past before I owned an iPhone when the Moto Droids were popular. Upon installing I flashed the recovery over to CWM - However, when I reboot into recovery I still receive the default stock options. I even purchased the CWM Touch recovery to see if that would work, sadly it did not.
I am stuck as to what to do here, I have googled the problem and cannot seem to find a cure. I can not do anything with CWM - When I click backup current ROM it simply reboots into the stock recovery.
If anyone can help me with this issue I would be extremely appreciated
Thanks,
Christopher
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Did you remember to go to Rom Manager > Recovery Setup > Click ClockworkMod Recovery (Under INSTALL OR UPDATE RECOVERY) > Then click on the Samsung Galaxy S4 (Verizon).
Yes, since that is the only way to download and install the recovery that is what I did...
You might want to email the developer or get a mod to move this thread to the Q&A forum.
DarkMenace said:
You might want to email the developer or get a mod to move this thread to the Q&A forum.
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I will email the developer the link to this thread.
Surely I am not the only one with this problem...
Reneg4d3 said:
I will email the developer the link to this thread.
Surely I am not the only one with this problem...
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I was able to flash it with no issues.
Do you mind telling me exactly what you did (even rooting wise) - I used some compiled package that was on droid life I believe. It had all the tools compiled and was the closest thing to a one click without being one click. I think it even attempted to flash the recovery. However, that is how I rooted my device. I didn't flash another rom. Still on the stock rom.
I just rooted the device. Switched to SuperSU, restored all my programs via Titanium Backup. Then I flashed CWM.
DarkMenace said:
I just rooted the device. Switched to SuperSU, restored all my programs via Titanium Backup. Then I flashed CWM.
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I have read conflicting posts about this but is your bootloader unlocked? I read that the bootloader was unlocked before the phone was even released - Then I read somewhere else that the Verizon bootloader was super locked down and not cracked yet. Obviously, you would need some bootstrap or the bootloader unlocked before the device would even be able to use a custom ROM. Did you flash the phone to get root, or did you use all kinds of different tools to do so?
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this is the method I used - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41718543
Reneg4d3 said:
I have read conflicting posts about this but is your bootloader unlocked? I read that the bootloader was unlocked before the phone was even released - Then I read somewhere else that the Verizon bootloader was super locked down and not cracked yet. Obviously, you would need some bootstrap or the bootloader unlocked before the device would even be able to use a custom ROM. Did you flash the phone to get root, or did you use all kinds of different tools to do so?
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this is the method I used - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41718543
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That's the same method I used but I didn't unlock the bootloader. I just did the root them installed the recovery from the Play Store.
Reneg4d3 said:
I have read conflicting posts about this but is your bootloader unlocked? I read that the bootloader was unlocked before the phone was even released - Then I read somewhere else that the Verizon bootloader was super locked down and not cracked yet. Obviously, you would need some bootstrap or the bootloader unlocked before the device would even be able to use a custom ROM. Did you flash the phone to get root, or did you use all kinds of different tools to do so?
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this is the method I used - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41718543
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Please read about loki in the development forum. The bootloader is not unlocked and unlock is not needed to flash roms or recoveries.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=
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I will read about loki - maybe when I read about loki this will be explained, however I was always under the impression that in order to install custom ROMs you have to unlock the bootloader. I know that a bootloader or bootstrap is what tells your device what operating system to boot to and if it is locked this prevents you from loading a custom ROM. If I have this all wrong, would someone care to explain? You can use technical explanations as I will most likely be able to understand what you mean.
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reading about loki clears this up. It's simply (yet sophisticatedly) tricks the aboot into thinking the rom passes the checksum that is physically embedded into the phone and proceeds to boot the custom rom. The boot loader itself is still locked, but is bypassed.
The only problem with this is they can release an update to patch the sequence in which the checksum is done so that it cannot be loaded over itself.
My problem still remains - Clockwork Manager is not working.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Questions and help issues go in Q&A and help section
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Sorry I posted it in the wrong section. If anyone knows what is wrong please let me know, I am thoroughly confused as to why this is happening. Maybe I should restore stock and reroot the device, although I don't know what that would do.
Am I supposed to install Loki? Because I never did that, I was under the impression that rom manager would do that.
Reneg4d3 said:
Sorry I posted it in the wrong section. If anyone knows what is wrong please let me know, I am thoroughly confused as to why this is happening. Maybe I should restore stock and reroot the device, although I don't know what that would do.
Am I supposed to install Loki? Because I never did that, I was under the impression that rom manager would do that.
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Do a stock restore. Then root again. Start over.
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I cleared the Clockwork Mod data and also uninstalled and reinstalled the app and now it is working Guess it was just a fluke!