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Fair warning: I've never rooted a phone before. I've dabbled in ADB with my nook color, but am far from comfortable with it. I installed Honeycomb on the nook color, then decided to just go simple with autonooter.
Now, I'm thinking of rooting my new Thunderbolt. Mostly because I'd like to get rid of all of the bloatware and try to get all of the performance out of my phone as I can get. After having the Droid1 for a couple of years, I do not want to see my phone get laggy like my D1 did.
So here come the beginner questions: once I root the phone, I know I need to get ROM Manager and Titanium Backup. Those apps will let me be able to get back all of my data and preferences, etc once I switch ROMs right?
What else will I need after rooting? Is it a simple process to flash a new ROM?
Can anyone suggest a (mostly) stock ROM that just gets rid of the bloatware and gives the phones performance a boost?
Also, does a rooted phone require a lot of maintenance? For instance, will I have to be updating ROMS often? Also, if an OTA comes out for non-rooted phones, do these updates get worked into the ROMs quickly? I dont want to be without a necessary update, ya know?
Last question: Once I root my phone, should I just cancel the insurance on the phone? Or does "voiding the warranty" only mean that VZW wont fix it for free?
Thanks!
First off, I highly recommend following this rooting method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616 and not using the easy root method. If you have any problems at all, you can log into http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=951190 and get some help. I also highly recommend reading up a bit on ADB, what it is and how it works http://www.xda-developers.com/android/adb-easy-tutorial/
Then...once you get rooted use ROM Manager to flash the clockworkmod recovery. In ROM Manager there's a little fix that everyone's been doing: open ROM Manager, menu>clear download cache, then settings>erase recovery. Then do your backup before you do anything else like flashing another ROM. Use Titanium to backup all your apps. I recommend the paid versions of both since you will be using them a lot.
Added: What I usually do the first time: Root, backup rom, install debloated rom, set everything up like I want it and then backup again. Each time I flash a new ROM, I create a backup of it all set up and with the name so that I can easily switch back and forth. I like change
The basic debloat rom is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000103
It's easy to flash a new ROM, just download the one you want, put it on your sdcard and then use ROM Manager to 'install from sdcard'
You are going to be flashing ROMs left and right because they come out so fast. Each time an update is out, it'll be put into a ROM and released for all of us here so that you stay current. Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
I would not recommend getting rid of your insurance, it is different than the warranty and you can get your phone replaced if it's ever damaged. I've used it 3 times now all on rooted phones. It indeed will void the warranty.
Happy rooting!
^ +1. I did use the easy root method and had no problems with it but it is truly still hit or miss. I am sure it will get better as more developers start pushing new stuff out.
Good luck
Thanks for the reply!
Why dont you recommend using the easy root method that I've been reading so much about? I realize it has some faults, but I'm planning on waiting until an updated version comes out. I'm a bit afraid to brick my phone while trying to root the phone myself.
Also, after rooting, how can i do a backup of my apps? Doesnt rooting wipe all of the data on my phone?
Learning ADB would be helpful...I must admit, I am an easy root junkie. I just don't have the time to learn ADB. Maybe someday that will change.
Rooting will wipe your phone and I use Titanium Backup to back up my apps. It does make it a lot easier once you start flashing ROMs on a daily basis
Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Thanks! After watching a video of someone rooting, I think I will be able to do the non-easy method.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
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This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
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Thanks.
So to answer my previous question: When rooting, I'm still going to lose all of my current information including apps, sms, etc. However, its good to backup my phone before installing the debloated rom.
Is that correct?
Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
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Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
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Even better call it the Original Root Method........
pman555 said:
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
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you don't open the files. The exploit one is the one you unpackage to your tools directory. The other you will put on your sdcard when told too. you can join #root and get help if you want.
as far as apps, the market 'should' reload all your apps when you wipe data just give it time. Then use titanium to back them all up.
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
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Even better call it the Original Root Method........
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I like that one
jawonder said:
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
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ADB is learning what you are doing to your phone instead of letting a program do it for you. Copy/paste is just so there are no typos if you don't feel as comfortable typing it all out. I recommend reading up on ADB so that you have a bit of knowledge of what you are doing.
do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
Irish Whiskey said:
do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
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Titanium backup only works after you're rooted.
You can use a program like Mybackup Pro to backup stuff like sms mms, etc.
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As a first time rooter myself, I ended up doing the original root process. The well written instructions helped me not to feel paranoid and I breezed through the steps. While, I was confident in rooting the phone because of the instructions, I don't feel so confident post root because I don't know how to do many of the elements like flash roms, kernels, apply mods, etc. So my question is, are there any guides for flashing new roms and the steps taken before and after? For instance, let's say I wanted to flash adrynalyne's no bloat rom, and his mod package, how do I go about doing it? Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Zalyia38 said:
Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
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If I root and remove bloatware manually, will OTA updates occur automatically, or do I have the option of blocking them. Would they re-install all of the bloatware I removed?
Hello guys, first I will like to thank all of you for supporting the forum and for helping me a lot. I been trying by far do the list below and I cant get it to work correctly in more then 20 attempts and Im afraid I will totally brick my vibrant.
Done Procedures;
I have ROOTed the Phone
BackUp all my files using Titanium
Flashed ClockWorkMod with Rom Manager
Flashed with ROM Bionix V 1.3.1
Delete Cache and Dalvik...
Rebooted system
At that point everything is good but once I install a kernel I start having problems with the SD recognition by PC and Installing or un-installing apps to device
Any tips or step by step how should do to install Bionix 1.3.1 with kernel Tigers Blood with Voodoo sound and colors without a problem?
or maybe to install Axura with out been so lagging.
Any reason for not testing Trigger, with OverStock 2.2?
Try trigger, or a 2.2.1 port. Pne of those may work faster.
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Any reason for not testing Trigger, with OverStock 2.2?
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I will try this mate and report back. I just did an back up and now lets just see how this setup does it for me. All I want is a good theme ROM, fast and stable, Honestly I loved the Axura ROM but is to lagging for me for some reason.
Bionix is great but I have the same problem with all the roms I install. When the USB is not detected then is the apps cant be install or un-install.
Will try this one as I havent yet and besides it gives me more experience nothing to loose.
Thanks mate
Feel free to shoot me a pm if needed. Just be sure you've read the noob guide.
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Feel free to shoot me a pm if needed. Just be sure you've read the noob guide.
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OMG here we go again, I think Im doing something wrong. I have the same issue as the more same I do like the How to's state I have the problem with installing and un-installing soft. When i even try to restore my back up for apps from Titanium it wont let me since all the apps stay like computing. I think is something wrong with the apps system or something.
I havent flashed yet the kernel.
I will try to install the ROM again
Not to sound rude, but did you follow the instructions in the noob guide on the proper way to backup, flash and restore?
Perhaps you should just ODIN back to stock and start over if you have.
Let me know if I can help, try and be detailed in your posts though... that last one, I really have no clue what you were trying to say.
Odin root cwm flash...... I hope your only flashing one thing at a time... Not rom+kernel+theme+ boot animation or somthing wildly stupid
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Not to sound rude, but did you follow the instructions in the noob guide on the proper way to backup, flash and restore?
Perhaps you should just ODIN back to stock and start over if you have.
Let me know if I can help, try and be detailed in your posts though... that last one, I really have no clue what you were trying to say.
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I really love this ROM looks great and very smooth. I will use ODIN and go back to stock then I will root and then will flash with CWM and comeback here for some tips. I want to get this right for the first time at least.
TY so much mate
Ok, Im done, I have installed the ROM and let it sit for 10 mins at least then rebooted. What step should I do now to flash a kernel like Tiger blood or OverStock.
Or what will be the next step other then configuring the login for google?
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Odin root cwm flash...... I hope your only flashing one thing at a time... Not rom+kernel+theme+ boot animation or somthing wildly stupid
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I did used the ODIN to Stock Flash my phone and then one out a time after reboot ect...
you may want to stay stock trigger for awhile and test it out.
when ready, download overstock 2.2, move it to sdcard/, reboot to CWR, install from zip (like a rom), after you flash it, reboot.... you'll notice a new splash screen for overstock, all done.
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you may want to stay stock trigger for awhile and test it out.
when ready, download overstock 2.2, move it to sdcard/, reboot to CWR, install from zip (like a rom), after you flash it, reboot.... you'll notice a new splash screen for overstock, all done.
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Ok, I have seen enough of this. lol I so sad to see how easy this is but frustrated when I get problems like the one I still have. Everything was great until I started installing the apps from the Titanium back up i made. It did installed about 15 apps but after those been installed successfully it just got stocked loading and it wont install any more apps or even un-install. Cant even install apps from the market.
What is wrong with this thing, is very stressful try and try and get the same result on 4 different ROMS I have tested already. I really hate to ask for help as I like to read and try it for myself so I can about a new hobby.
But this one is biting my hand very hard. Can you please tell me ehat can I do in this case mate to trouble shoot this?
Thank you for your time friend
Something I have done a bit different is that I have put the files in separate folders for more organize.
Like for sample; at sd_root/ I have a folder name Download which it have sub-folders that look like this tree below
Download
//
-Kernels/
-Metamorhp Mods/
-Misc Mods/Apps
-Modems
-Mods
-Roms
-Themes
Do you think that will be a problem by not having the Files at the root location at SD?
When you are restoring your titanium back ups, are you only restoring apps? I mean, are you restoring system data too? You don't want to restore system data, and only restore apps. Sometimes restoring system data from previous roms can cause problems.
If this still doesn't help, you might just want to redownload all your apps, and then make a backup. Sounds like your issue is linked to titanium back up.
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When you are restoring your titanium back ups, are you only restoring apps? I mean, are you restoring system data too? You don't want to restore system data, and only restore apps. Sometimes restoring system data from previous roms can cause problems.
If this still doesn't help, you might just want to redownload all your apps, and then make a backup. Sounds like your issue is linked to titanium back up.
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That makes sence!! I will load the ROM again and start over and see how it goes installing just the apps. I was restoring the apps and data
If it doenst help I will continue your suggestion to install the apps one by one NOT from the Titanium as it was back up from a different ROM.
thanks i will let know how it goes.
stay away from restoring system data when flashing roms. Just the apps with the app data. Hope this helps man. If not, let's go over the entire order of what you are doing and we will figure out what is going on.
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Ok here goes to nothing. I have dont everything correctly like the Guide's stating and everything works great at first but them it just stop working the whole file system apparently. Is just works great and after few app installs it just fail. When I go to check the files from the File management it just say Computing instead of loading and give the file size info ect....
What can it be I dont have a clue as I have search the whole forum and I dont see this problem posted by any other. Its just wont install, un-install or even cant stop any app from working.
What else can i do?
When backing up with Titanium, its okay to back up user apps and their data. As far as system data, Titanium has it sorted by what is and isn't safe to restore. Green entries are all good, don't back up any entries with red text.
This is how I've been backing up stuff since before 2.2 dropped, and I've never run into any strange issues.
Just a shot in the dark, but it might be a bad sd card, or just needing a format. Try backing up all your sd files on your computer, and format your sd card and see if that helps. I had some funky stuff going on with my phone, and it went away after I did that.
hello
i just bought this phone a couple hours ago
tell me did i mess up? i can't find any roms, kernels, or recoveries for this phone.
i've spent the last couple hours searching for any info and haven't found even a little.
i have it rooted with superoneclick, i can't adb push any files though, like the UOT kitchen files.
any help would be greatly appreciated
This phone!
Its not bad a phone but its just sluggish and yeah i have been trying to find ROMS and BUILDS for this phone. Someone make something please:
well i found a forum for this phone model, not much info available yet, except confirmed rooting...
http://androidforums.com/samsung-gravity-smart/
Awe man well at least im hoping there is someone who has this device and is willing to make a rom!
Not a bad phone but it needs to be cleaned up badly.
Over clocking it does help it a lot.
I have just rooted my gravity smart, but still can't uninstall telenav and others...did I do something wrong? I watched the video, and followed the steps, it was VERY easy, install, click root, pretty much. Still need to get rid of all the junk apps...
Hi Guys i just wanted to be part of this thread for updates. My lil sister has one of these and I wanted to get more info. Ill be on the look out as well and keep you guys posted.
emailed koush asking to port CWM recovery for us
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I have just rooted my gravity smart, but still can't uninstall telenav and others...did I do something wrong? I watched the video, and followed the steps, it was VERY easy, install, click root, pretty much. Still need to get rid of all the junk apps...
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did it install superuser and busybox?
does titanium backup ask for superuser permissions?
careful what u uninstall
i removed a few apps that i shouldnt have
I would love some development on this phone.. hopefully someone cares enough. I've rooted with Super One Click, but now trying to overclock.. any thoughts? Can't use SetCPU or others..
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I would love some development on this phone.. hopefully someone cares enough. I've rooted with Super One Click, but now trying to overclock.. any thoughts? Can't use SetCPU or others..
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until we get a different kernel developed, we can't overclock the cpu.
the stock kernel doesn't have support for overclocking.
at least from what i'm understanding anyway.
we can raise the floor but not the roof.
yes the superuser and other box thing got installed, and I saw the super user, but when I run it there is no apps in it...do you use the other one to uninstall things?
Yes BusyBox both got installed.
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yes the superuser and other box thing got installed, and I saw the super user, but when I run it there is no apps in it...do you use the other one to uninstall things?
Yes BusyBox both got installed.
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from what i'm interpreting...
superuser is the administrator or babysitter
busybox is the interpreter or the middle man
to unistall programs, such as system apps, which i wouldnt do until we have a ROM or RECOVERY available, i use titanium backup.
note that when u back up a system app, it only backs up the information file, not the app itself...
so if u uninstall it and want it back, youre screwed basically.. probably not completely, but pretty much. i learned this the hard way.
now, if you backup a user app, it saves the app itself.. unlike system apps.
just use titanium backup and "FREEZE" the system apps you don't want, for now.
please don't uninstall them.
infact, if anyone could get me a copy of the 3d gallery and music app that comes with this phone, i'd be much appreciated.
i hope this helps you.
i've asked around for some help porting a recovery, no replies yet
Recovery
Any responses yet? :l
Im actually happy you are doing something about this
Much oblige
Freeze First..
I used Titanium backup pro to freeze unwanted files first and let that be for a day or so after a couple of reboots. Then I uninstalled what was not needed. Baby steps here is my best recommendation since the first time I did this I bricked my phone. I also had an email into Kousch but to no avail.
Keep Moving Forward,
DragonSeeeker
unrooting?
I'm kind of a noob at this but can I unroot this device so I won't void the warranty?
Also. Anyone have all the apks of all the apps this phone came with?
I would greatly appreciate it!
i wish i had dumped the system folder before i started uninstalling apps myself...
maybe someone who hasnt uninstalled anything yet would post a link to a dump of the /system/app/ folder with the apks for us...
if someone was willing to do this for us, i'd recommend a factory reset prior to dumping the files
Hey guys! I got this phone as a warranty replacement for my Cliq (WORST PHONE EVER). I was excited at first cause it worked much faster and came w/ 2.2. But now it seems like this is the develpment communities step child! Where are all the devs???? Anyway, I'm a totall beginner when it comes to Android development. I have not yet rooted, and would be happy to provide you guys with anything if it means bringing some life to the development of this phone. Let me know what I can do!
P.s. I would be happy to provide a system dump, just need instruction on how to do so.
hey comoc85
welcome to the stepchild thread, lol
easy to root this phone with superoneclick
here is a link to the Samsung Kies Program that has the usb drivers bundled for our phone for rooting, etc.
http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.com/downloadfile/ContentsFile.aspx?CDSite=US&CttFileID=4132035&CDCt[/url] tType=SW&ModelType=C&ModelName=SGH-T589HBBTMB&VPath=SW/201106/20110625042859732/TMO_T589_Kies_20.exe
here is a link for a youtube video for rooting our phone as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMg5LfPW5m4&feature=player_embedded
are you familiar with using adb commands?
if so, easy to grab all the system apps for us or yourself for later
just by entering "adb pull /system/app/" and it will dump your system apps
probably zip them for uploading, be sure to factory reset prior to dumping so that your information isnt included.
remember, don't unistall any system apps once rooted till we get a developer to make a rom for us. some people have bricked this phone doing that. also note this is a "touchwiz" phone and do not remove and apps named "TW....." or it will cause errors..
titanium backup does not backup system apps, i found out after i unistalled them... it acts like it does but only backs up the data, not the app itself...
it would be wise, even for yourself, to dump your /system/app/ folder to your computer incase you need to replace a app you borked somehow... our firmware isnt available on samusngs website yet, or samfirmware.com
i wish i had known to dump my /system/app/ folder prior to uninstalling a few things... but my phone still works... anyway, found some build.prop edits that work on our phone for a lil tweaking..
hopefully someone will pick up development on this phone..
i dont understand how to cook a rom or i'd attempt it, and without a recovery to make a backup, i surely don't want to attempt it..
have a great day
oh to dump your system/apps/ folder you have to be rooted and have sdk + java installed on your computer..
if you're into changing roms etc, you'll need to learn this stuff anyway.
here's a link to a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1SOSXwkc_8
here's a couple more useful links: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502010
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/what-is-adb-and-how-to-install-it-android/
ive done factory reset several times while being rooted and not lost root or had any problems... this is due to having the stock recovery...
dont ever do a factory reset while using a custom recovery... brick brick brick..
like i said though, factory reset while under stock recovery while rooted is fine.
oh i had problems with the newest superoneclick version and tried version 1.9.5 without any hangups or problems.. just fyi
My Thunderbolt received an OTA update last week and keeps rebooting. I have ClockworkMod Recovery so the Install fails. I cleared the Cache with CWM and restarted the phone like it suggests in other posts elsewhere. I get a failed update message, I cancel out of it and reboot the phone. I also used Titanium Backup to Freeze "Update" and "Updater", but the phone keeps self booting into the OTA update every day . I searched for an update.zip and cannot find one on the SD card.
Can anyone suggest how to stop the phone from updating/rebooting everyday? I cannot seems to find the answer anywhere.
Thanks and I wish everyone a safe holiday!
DD
Just to confirm, are you rooted but on the stock rom? If so, you should be able to find some threads to go on from searching, but here are a couple where people got the update install while rooted:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1330325
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1324682
Sorry I forgot to mention it
Yes, I'm rooted, I'll check out the links.
more than likely you wont have an update.zip but rather an RUU. Remove the RUU from the SD card and see how that works. If I was having this problem I would do a full wipe on the phone backup my full SD card contents and format the SD card and flash a custom rom with CWM. I never understand what the point of rooting is if you are not going to flash a custom rom. Are you afraid? Worried about bricking? I just don't get it. Put the new MIUI on it. You will be pleased.
I installed Liquid ROM 3.1 and it's working like a charm. I was concerned about the 3G/4G compatability problems that most custom ROMS seem to have.
Using Titanium Backup Pro I backed up all my apps then restored them after installing Liquid ROM and re-setup the desktop and all is well.
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I never understand what the point of rooting is if you are not going to flash a custom rom.
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Really? The ability to fix things like security holes, use ad filters, make complete, easily restorable backups, install a certificate for a private CA, or just have fairly complete control over hardware you've purchased isn't enough?
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Really? The ability to fix things like security holes, use ad filters, make complete, easily restorable backups, install a certificate for a private CA, or just have fairly complete control over hardware you've purchased isn't enough?
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I was actually broken hearted that I was compelled in install a custom rom to avoid the problems the op has described. Everything "works" in standard rom. When you go custom you get lots of fun new features but you always lose something..... Could be vzw vvm or nfl live or fast gps lock or photo effects in gallery but it seems there is always someting you lose.
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I was actually broken hearted that I was compelled in install a custom rom to avoid the problems the op has described. Everything "works" in standard rom. When you go custom you get lots of fun new features but you always lose something..... Could be vzw vvm or nfl live or fast gps lock or photo effects in gallery but it seems there is always someting you lose.
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really,cause everything you mentioned has work on soab from the get go.
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Been reading/researching for the last week or two; and the solid info keeps leading me back here to xda!
As a long time personal system builder with some OC'ing experience and flight sim beta testing, I'm starting my trek to the dark side of these android phones.
Just upgraded the wife from an original razr to the X2, and she's perfectly happy. I'm waiting on Santa for a new Droid Razr. So, my plan is to get started on the X2 with the goal of rooting it, then immediately doing a backup using Moon Shadow's excellent stickys along with the help of anyone else that wishes to post. Thinking the X2 experience should help to calm my nerves once I really get into the Razr.
Couple of questions that are sticking in my mind right now are:
Am I understanding the stickys correctly that I should be doing the nandroid backup immediately after rooting? This includes backing up before installing any optional apps such as TI, etc?
In Moon Shadow's Nandroid and Backup Recovery, it's recommended to use Dropbox to get the Recovery APK over on the phone and installed. Any other methods that will work equally well? Would a simple copy/paste of the APK to the sd card suffice? Or would I at least need some sort of apk "installer" to finish the install?
Also, any other apps to keep this X2 lean and clean so as to make it as simple and pain free as possible for the wife? She likes simple/easy to use. I'll be providing tech support and keeping it as optimal as possible.
I'll close this long ass post with a simple THANK YOU to all the members/devs here on xda for tolerating us "noobs" and providing a wealth of info for those wishing to learn the "right" way!
A nandroid is a good idea after rooting imo. Although you can always sbf back to stock if need be. The reason it's a good idea is if you are going to remove stock apps yourself, you can restore back to stock rooted if you remove something important that screws up your phone.
You can copy/paste the apk to your sdcard, no problem. You'll want a file browser to get to it and install. Personally I like Root Browser, Root Explorer, or Astro. You should be able to install through any of those.
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WVULTRA said:
Been reading/researching for the last week or two; and the solid info keeps leading me back here to xda!
As a long time personal system builder with some OC'ing experience and flight sim beta testing, I'm starting my trek to the dark side of these android phones.
Just upgraded the wife from an original razr to the X2, and she's perfectly happy. I'm waiting on Santa for a new Droid Razr. So, my plan is to get started on the X2 with the goal of rooting it, then immediately doing a backup using Moon Shadow's excellent stickys along with the help of anyone else that wishes to post. Thinking the X2 experience should help to calm my nerves once I really get into the Razr.
Couple of questions that are sticking in my mind right now are:
Am I understanding the stickys correctly that I should be doing the nandroid backup immediately after rooting? This includes backing up before installing any optional apps such as TI, etc?
In Moon Shadow's Nandroid and Backup Recovery, it's recommended to use Dropbox to get the Recovery APK over on the phone and installed. Any other methods that will work equally well? Would a simple copy/paste of the APK to the sd card suffice? Or would I at least need some sort of apk "installer" to finish the install?
Also, any other apps to keep this X2 lean and clean so as to make it as simple and pain free as possible for the wife? She likes simple/easy to use. I'll be providing tech support and keeping it as optimal as possible.
I'll close this long ass post with a simple THANK YOU to all the members/devs here on xda for tolerating us "noobs" and providing a wealth of info for those wishing to learn the "right" way!
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First I'd just like to say welcome. You're in for a good time. Nandroids are just good to keep as a refference point so that if your phone gets messed up you can just restore the backed up image vs having to sbf, reroot etc. You are more than welcome to install any apps you would like before a nandroid backup but I recommended doing it before you flash anything or start making modifications that require root permissions.
As far as the recovery Apk is concerned, I just keep it on my external SD, that way I can just find it with root explorer or a similar directory app and install it from there. Very simple. There is no installer app needed, just turn on the setting that allows third party apps, select it within the directory and you should be given the option to install.
Not really sure what you need to keep everything simple. Maybe some specifics would help. I could suggest looking into different Widgets so you can have access to certain things right on the homescreen.
Glad to see you here!
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I do nand backups regularly and delete the old(usually keep 2 most recent just in case) to keep up to date and before changing roms or updating. you can also restore just the data if you go into Advanced Restore and choose data restore as long as your previous rom you did the backup on and the current rom you are restoring it to are on the same version (2.2.2, 2.3.3, 2.3.4, 2.3.5+ are all different). Its typically not required to restore when updating although some roms will in earlier testing stages sometimes or if a drastic change occurs to the rom but its a good idea to back it up prior just in case.
As far as apk files are concerned the easiest way for me to keep them is emailed to myself through gmail because you can install the app straight from your email without having to download it to the phone(there will be an install button in the body of the email when checking it from your phone). You can email them to yourself on the computer and move them to a special file to save space on your internal or external sd and keep the files for whenever you might need them.
As far as "keeping it clean"...just flash a clean rom and choose a script you can find and read about in the development section that will tailor your needs best. in my opinion apps that are made to save battery, free memory, and keep programs from running only make the phone slower and use more battery because those types of apps will always be running and therefore counterproductive. There are some good root apps out(search "root" on market) that help out a good deal, but they are few and far between imo. Just find what you like(or she likes), the more you find out about these phones the more uses you find in it.
Good luck
hitman_dreams said:
A nandroid is a good idea after rooting imo. Although you can always sbf back to stock if need be. The reason it's a good idea is if you are going to remove stock apps yourself, you can restore back to stock rooted if you remove something important that screws up your phone.
You can copy/paste the apk to your sdcard, no problem. You'll want a file browser to get to it and install. Personally I like Root Browser, Root Explorer, or Astro. You should be able to install through any of those.
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hitman:
Yes, at this point I'd prefer to restore back to stock rooted vs. sbf; and it's good to know I've got both as options.
Right now leaning towards Root Explorer.
Thanks for your feedback!
CadenH said:
First I'd just like to say welcome. You're in for a good time. Nandroids are just good to keep as a refference point so that if your phone gets messed up you can just restore the backed up image vs having to sbf, reroot etc. You are more than welcome to install any apps you would like before a nandroid backup but I recommended doing it before you flash anything or start making modifications that require root permissions.
As far as the recovery Apk is concerned, I just keep it on my external SD, that way I can just find it with root explorer or a similar directory app and install it from there. Very simple. There is no installer app needed, just turn on the setting that allows third party apps, select it within the directory and you should be given the option to install.
Not really sure what you need to keep everything simple. Maybe some specifics would help. I could suggest looking into different Widgets so you can have access to certain things right on the homescreen.
Glad to see you here!
Sent from my DROID X2 using xda premium
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CadenH:
Thanks for the welcome. Truly appreciated!
Glad to hear the simplified procedure for installing the apk. I'm sure once I get it rooted, and a solid backup saved, I'll take some time to evaluate what to add app wise along with the Widgets.
xerotix said:
I do nand backups regularly and delete the old(usually keep 2 most recent just in case) to keep up to date and before changing roms or updating. you can also restore just the data if you go into Advanced Restore and choose data restore as long as your previous rom you did the backup on and the current rom you are restoring it to are on the same version (2.2.2, 2.3.3, 2.3.4, 2.3.5+ are all different). Its typically not required to restore when updating although some roms will in earlier testing stages sometimes or if a drastic change occurs to the rom but its a good idea to back it up prior just in case.
As far as apk files are concerned the easiest way for me to keep them is emailed to myself through gmail because you can install the app straight from your email without having to download it to the phone(there will be an install button in the body of the email when checking it from your phone). You can email them to yourself on the computer and move them to a special file to save space on your internal or external sd and keep the files for whenever you might need them.
As far as "keeping it clean"...just flash a clean rom and choose a script you can find and read about in the development section that will tailor your needs best. in my opinion apps that are made to save battery, free memory, and keep programs from running only make the phone slower and use more battery because those types of apps will always be running and therefore counterproductive. There are some good root apps out(search "root" on market) that help out a good deal, but they are few and far between imo. Just find what you like(or she likes), the more you find out about these phones the more uses you find in it.
Good luck
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xerotix:
From my reading/research I have it burned to memory to always stay with the same version when restoring! Her X2 is currently on 2.3.4 via the OTA update.
Good idea on using the gmail account! Had no idea this way was an option.
Once I get over the initial shock of getting it rooted and backedup, I'm sure I'll look at a custom ROM if she allows it. Just need to do additional research on how to choose the right ROM for her needs. And right now, I'm totally in the dark on choosing a "script"; but I'll also learn this as I go.
Thanks for your feedback!
Preliminary Game Plan
At this point, I've put together an initial game plan. Currently have on the desktop pc: Pete's Root Tools v1.07, RSD Lite v5.6 along with the GB 2.3.4 SBF, and the MOTO_Bootstrap_signed.rar (apk).
Please feel free to confirm or correct my plan.
1. Root the phone via Moon Shadow's X2 Tutorial using Pete's v1.07.
2. Once Pete's tool gives me confirmation that the phone is rooted, upgrade SU and Busybox via the Market. Sure would like a confirmation on this step!
3. Prior to the backup, copy the Droid X2 Recovery APK over to the external sd card, dl Root Explorer which is going to let me "install" the Recovery APK.
4. Follow Moon Shadow's X2 nandroid/backup Tutorial by launching the Recovery APK and following his Backup prodedure.
5. My plan is to backup to the external sd card so I can also keep a copy on the desktop along with one on an external thumb drive. Sorry if I sound too redundant!
A few of the apps I plan on purchasing/dl'ing (don't mind contributing small $ for the pro/pay versions as I hope it thanks them for their hard work and encourages continued upgrades) are:
TI Backup Pro
Root Explorer (File Manager)
My Backup Pro (for the wife's contacts, messages, photos, etc.)
Again, all feedback/corrections/confirmations will be appreciated!
Thanks!
WVULTRA said:
At this point, I've put together an initial game plan. Currently have on the desktop pc: Pete's Root Tools v1.07, RSD Lite v5.6 along with the GB 2.3.4 SBF, and the MOTO_Bootstrap_signed.rar (apk).
Please feel free to confirm or correct my plan.
1. Root the phone via Moon Shadow's X2 Tutorial using Pete's v1.07.
2. Once Pete's tool gives me confirmation that the phone is rooted, upgrade SU and Busybox via the Market. Sure would like a confirmation on this step!
3. Prior to the backup, copy the Droid X2 Recovery APK over to the external sd card, dl Root Explorer which is going to let me "install" the Recovery APK.
4. Follow Moon Shadow's X2 nandroid/backup Tutorial by launching the Recovery APK and following his Backup prodedure.
5. My plan is to backup to the external sd card so I can also keep a copy on the desktop along with one on an external thumb drive. Sorry if I sound too redundant!
A few of the apps I plan on purchasing/dl'ing (don't mind contributing small $ for the pro/pay versions as I hope it thanks them for their hard work and encourages continued upgrades) are:
TI Backup Pro
Root Explorer (File Manager)
My Backup Pro (for the wife's contacts, messages, photos, etc.)
Again, all feedback/corrections/confirmations will be appreciated!
Thanks!
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YES GET ROOT EXPLORER
it will.make ur.life SO MUCH EASIER in the.long run. You will definitely get your moneys worth within the first 2weeks of using it. Simple UI and very efficient set-up. All u need for a root file explorer. BEST choice
I don't use TI backup...
Anything TI does can be done manually by using root explorer to copy apks to sdcard..
I lied...ti can backup data for apps as well...but I have seen problems arise sometimes...I just personally don't use it...
I recommend bloat freezer if u plan on freezing any apps ...it is like dipping the apps in liquid nitrogen...best app freezer available PERIOD...((TI "freezes" as well but uses a different process and some apps don't "freeze" all the way))) ur choice tho experimentation is KEY and us the main point have fun with it..as long as u have a nandroid or sbf file u are good to try TONS of stuff knowing u will be able to get back easily.
Can't comment on "my backup pro" but I can say that if u store your contacts synced to google and/or backup assistant that they will always be available to u. They get backed up to an o line account (gmail for google...myverizonwirelessc.com>>>backup assistant ))) photos get stored on sdcard and shouldn't be deleted unless u choose to format sd cards.
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Oh...and updating the superuser app itself isn't necessary ....good idea to update its binary tho....but do NOT worry bout it....the first time u grant SU permission to something it will ask u if u want to update the binary and u can just press the notification in the pulldown window to do it....
Busybox ----. U can if u want to.
But if u flash eclipse it comes with busybox 1.19.gitadrynaline...
Not sure what is installed when initially rooted...never checked...
if u want to update I recommend that version...I've never had any issues with it. And it isn't an app. It is installed to system/xbin I believe....it allows for different commands/scripts to work properly....someone can explain better than me if u need to know what it does...
u can update busybox via busybox installer from market....there are a couple...most are pretty fond of the one made by jrummy ....
HAVE FUN TWEAKING AND WELCOME
ashclepdia said:
YES GET ROOT EXPLORER
it will.make ur.life SO MUCH EASIER in the.long run. You will definitely get your moneys worth within the first 2weeks of using it. Simple UI and very efficient set-up. All u need for a root file explorer. BEST choice
I don't use TI backup...
Anything TI does can be done manually by using root explorer to copy apks to sdcard..
I lied...ti can backup data for apps as well...but I have seen problems arise sometimes...I just personally don't use it...
I recommend bloat freezer if u plan on freezing any apps ...it is like dipping the apps in liquid nitrogen...best app freezer available PERIOD...((TI "freezes" as well but uses a different process and some apps don't "freeze" all the way))) ur choice tho experimentation is KEY and us the main point have fun with it..as long as u have a nandroid or sbf file u are good to try TONS of stuff knowing u will be able to get back easily.
Can't comment on "my backup pro" but I can say that if u store your contacts synced to google and/or backup assistant that they will always be available to u. They get backed up to an o line account (gmail for google...myverizonwirelessc.com>>>backup assistant ))) photos get stored on sdcard and shouldn't be deleted unless u choose to format sd cards.
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Oh...and updating the superuser app itself isn't necessary ....good idea to update its binary tho....but do NOT worry bout it....the first time u grant SU permission to something it will ask u if u want to update the binary and u can just press the notification in the pulldown window to do it....
Busybox ----. U can if u want to.
But if u flash eclipse it comes with busybox 1.19.gitadrynaline...
Not sure what is installed when initially rooted...never checked...
if u want to update I recommend that version...I've never had any issues with it. And it isn't an app. It is installed to system/xbin I believe....it allows for different commands/scripts to work properly....someone can explain better than me if u need to know what it does...
u can update busybox via busybox installer from market....there are a couple...most are pretty fond of the one made by jrummy ....
HAVE FUN TWEAKING AND WELCOME
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ash:
Thanks for all the detailed info! Things have been hectic the last few days, so my plan is to get started this weekend when I have plenty of un-interrupted time.
Really looking forward to this, and I'll post my results back once I've made some progress.
Truly appreciate the feedback!
No problem
Hahaha I didn't realize how long that.post actually got lol.
Sometimes I ramble and go on tangents so if I confused ya at any point don't hesitate to ask me to clarify
If you get titanium then you should probably pass on my backup pro, it'd be redundant as titanium can backup user data like texts and progress in games etc. just setup a regular backup schedule in TiBu and you'll be good to go.
Sent from my Android device.
ashclepdia said:
No problem
Hahaha I didn't realize how long that.post actually got lol.
Sometimes I ramble and go on tangents so if I confused ya at any point don't hesitate to ask me to clarify
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ash:
On the contrary, I'm one of those noobs that enjoys detailed info! And, if I get confused I will ask more questions!
TU!
juhde said:
If you get titanium then you should probably pass on my backup pro, it'd be redundant as titanium can backup user data like texts and progress in games etc. just setup a regular backup schedule in TiBu and you'll be good to go.
Sent from my Android device.
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juhde:
Thanks for pointing that out! My concern was to have solid/secure backups of everything important along with the wife's contacts, messages, etc, etc, etc, so if I screw up the I can retrieve everything she uses daily/regularly.
Will do some more research on the apps once I get the root and nandroid bu secure.
Thanks again!
YES GET ROOT EXPLORER
it will.make ur.life SO MUCH EASIER in the.long run. You will definitely get your moneys worth within the first 2weeks of using it. Simple UI and very efficient set-up. All u need for a root file explorer. BEST choice
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ash: since it appears your familiar with Root Explorer, I'm wondering if the app allows me to use it on other phones I own without having to pay for it again? I sent an inquirey to speedsoftware.co.uk, and their reply didn't really answer my question.
With TiBU Pro, they mail you a "key" and once the free version is installed on another phone, placing the .txt key file in the correct folder allows another phone to have the premium version.
At least that's my understanding.........
WVULTRA said:
ash: since it appears your familiar with Root Explorer, I'm wondering if the app allows me to use it on other phones I own without having to pay for it again? I sent an inquirey to speedsoftware.co.uk, and their reply didn't really answer my question.
With TiBU Pro, they mail you a "key" and once the free version is installed on another phone, placing the .txt key file in the correct folder allows another phone to have the premium version.
At least that's my understanding.........
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As long as the market on both phones is linked to the same account. You should be good. Just like buying a new phone. All your paid apps are still there to download again.
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WVULTRA said:
ash: since it appears your familiar with Root Explorer, I'm wondering if the app allows me to use it on other phones I own without having to pay for it again? I sent an inquirey to speedsoftware.co.uk, and their reply didn't really answer my question.
With TiBU Pro, they mail you a "key" and once the free version is installed on another phone, placing the .txt key file in the correct folder allows another phone to have the premium version.
At least that's my understanding.........
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Yeah what he said.
U just need to have the gmail account u bought it with associated wit the new phone.
Rooted!
Wanted to follow up and let everyone know that I got the wife's X2 rooted following Moon Shadow's excellent Tutorials; and it worked perfectly! After rooting, I updated SU and Busybox through the market. After installing/launching the bootstrap apk, was able to do a complete nandroid following the BU/Restore Tutorial. Had one hiccup that was self-induced while attempting to start the system recovery, but removing the battery and rebooting allowed my second attemp to work flawlessly.
A big THANKS for everyone's help and support. Have to say TiBU and Root Explorer are definitely recommended apps. Have removed/froze most of the bloat listed here at the forum and have been backing up along the way. Phone is working fine.
Now, to continue my research on considering a custom ROM like Eclipse......
Thanks again!
WVULTRA said:
Wanted to follow up and let everyone know that I got the wife's X2 rooted following Moon Shadow's excellent Tutorials; and it worked perfectly! After rooting, I updated SU and Busybox through the market. After installing/launching the bootstrap apk, was able to do a complete nandroid following the BU/Restore Tutorial. Had one hiccup that was self-induced while attempting to start the system recovery, but removing the battery and rebooting allowed my second attemp to work flawlessly.
A big THANKS for everyone's help and support. Have to say TiBU and Root Explorer are definitely recommended apps. Have removed/froze most of the bloat listed here at the forum and have been backing up along the way. Phone is working fine.
Now, to continue my research on considering a custom ROM like Eclipse......
Thanks again!
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Congrats
Let the fun begin!
Don't get left in the dark flash eclipse lol
Have fun in ur research. Reading and learning is one of the best parts doing this stuff..you will feel bit overwhelmed at first until you realize how "simple" things can be.
One bit of.knowledge for ya ---i... HIGHLY recommend that you use Bloat /CIQ freezer from.market for freezing any apps https://market.android.com/details?id=com.bloatfreezer.free
trust me on this. It will freeze apps better than TI does. I have read before and noticed first hand((I only used TI twice)) that some apps still run when frozen with TI. Those same apps when frozen with bloat freezer are like solid ice cubes floating in liquid nitrogen. They WILL NOT run until defrosted.
And if I want to remove any apps I just use root explorer to move the apk to my external sd card if I want a backup or I just straight delete it if I don't want it at all.
Have fun!
ashclepdia said:
Congrats
Let the fun begin!
Don't get left in the dark flash eclipse lol
Have fun in ur research. Reading and learning is one of the best parts doing this stuff..you will feel bit overwhelmed at first until you realize how "simple" things can be.
One bit of.knowledge for ya ---i... HIGHLY recommend that you use Bloat /CIQ freezer from.market for freezing any apps https://market.android.com/details?id=com.bloatfreezer.free
trust me on this. It will freeze apps better than TI does. I have read before and noticed first hand((I only used TI twice)) that some apps still run when frozen with TI. Those same apps when frozen with bloat freezer are like solid ice cubes floating in liquid nitrogen. They WILL NOT run until defrosted.
And if I want to remove any apps I just use root explorer to move the apk to my external sd card if I want a backup or I just straight delete it if I don't want it at all.
Have fun!
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ash:
Appreciate the info on bloatfreezer! Even though I've got TuBU Pro, I realize after a few uses that I'm more comfortable with root explorer! And I have noticed a couple of apps that are frozen but still appear in the apps listing.
I'll definitely consider bloatfreezer once I've determined if it can coexist (for my use) with TiBU or should I uninstall TiBU first.
Thanks!